[Finaika]

Yeah, well, let's see how many of us will care for your game, Mr. Antoniades.

[CadetMahoney]

Someone got scared at Ninja Gaiden 3 sales and they're assuming the genre is dead as opposed to no one buying a shitty game with shit framerates.

[sublimit]

People were saying ORC would bomb too but the numbers Capcom released recently say otherwise.
After the success of ORC it wouldn't surprise me if this sells good enough as well.It seems that way too many people are buying their games based on the game's title without doing much research about it.Online forums like GAF are the exeptions i think.

[NinjaBoiX]

Yeah, well, let's see how many of us will care for your game, Mr. Antoniades.

He doesn't care.

[JonathanPower]

This game seems to be amazing from the videos, and it's gonna sell really well in my opinion. The old fans can cry as much as they want, this game it's gonna rock.

[Asriel]

Yup. Good old Neogaf. Crucifying devs for the lack of artistic integrity and damning them for implementing it.

Why should he care as a developer?

If only more devs had his attitude. I'm really hoping that DmC is good, and I look forward to it.

[KingItachi]

Damn he really likes to run his mouth.

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

Perfect. Kevin Smith... lol. He's an artist! He creates art!

[Criminal Upper]

This game seems to be amazing from the videos, and it's gonna sell really well in my opinion. The old fans can cry as much as they want, this game it's gonna rock.

Devil May Cry 4 sold really well, something like 4 million copies. I guess you never got the memo, but one of the reasons they farmed this franchise out to a third tier developer was because they hope that western design and art will help it make Gears of War numbers.

It won't.

[Nemesis_]

Devil May Cry 4 sold really well, something like 4 million copies. I guess you never got the memo, but one of the reasons they farmed this franchise out to a third tier developer was because they hope that western design and art will help it make Gears of War numbers. It won't.

This is true.

I kind of wish people who criticise us who criticise DmC actually understand the multiple reasons why we do. ;_;

[KingItachi]

This is true. I kind of wish people who criticise us who criticise DmC actually understand the multiple reasons why we do. ;_;

They cherry pick what they wanna hear, like how most are still saying all we complain about is Dante's looks.

[Arxisz]

They cherry pick what they wanna hear, like how most are still saying all we complain about is Dante's looks.

Exactly.

[Gbraga]

I don't think people who are skeptical about the game is just because of Dante's looks (not anymore at least, in the beginning it was), but I also think that some of them should be a little more open minded, I've seen a lot of people bashing on the game and not even willing to give it a shot. At least play the demo when/if it comes out.

I'm willing to say the game is trash if it is, even though I'm so hyped about it, I hope the hater side is also willing to admit they were wrong and the game is actually good.

When it was first announced, I hyped it because of NT's record when it comes to story and narrative, but I was thinking "on the downside, the gameplay will probably suck", but after 'The Fight' and 'The Secret' videos, I think that even the gameplay looks very promising, and the statements they make about how they're approaching gameplay with Itsuno guiding them makes me believe it will actually be great even gameplay-wise.

Maybe not the best DMC gameplay-wise, but probably not the worst. And when it comes to story and stuff like that it will probably be the best in the series.

The only thing I have a hard time accepting is that they couldn't handle releasing it in 2013 instead of 2012 to use MT Framwork and run at 60fps, that's a let down, but I guess it can be corrected easily with a PC version.

[Road]

Devil May Cry 4 sold really well, something like 4 million copies. I guess you never got the memo, but one of the reasons they farmed this franchise out to a third tier developer was because they hope that western design and art will help it make Gears of War numbers. It won't.

DMC4 sold less than 3 million.

Capcom is probably gonna ship 3 million copies of DmC first week.

[Dibbz]

There is nothing wrong with his statement. Most people on GAF just jump on bandwagons without thinking anything through so I'm not surprised some of you don't understand what he is trying to say.

[JonathanPower]

Devil May Cry 4 sold really well, something like 4 million copies. I guess you never got the memo, but one of the reasons they farmed this franchise out to a third tier developer was because they hope that western design and art will help it make Gears of War numbers. It won't.

Devil may cry 4 sold really well but the gameplay was boring and repetitive. Devil may cry 4 art is amazing; however, the gameplay is very repetitive. They farmed this franchise out because they were in bad need of something new to propose to the gamers.

[JasonMCG]

Theses comments give me faith that DmC won't be a train wreck. I hope they prove everyone wrong.

[Cerebral Assassin]

If you truly want to see his true colours check what he had to say when Heavenly Sword and Enslaved bombed. His fucking dispicable.

I doubt it even comes close to the "reason" Kung Fu Chaos didn't sell.

Maybe it's just me but I love how the argument is "but if it's x company people would eat it!" What-ifs are nice but poor arguments :P

It's true though, if a company who had actually made good games(or a developer who actually enjoyed playing games) had said it no-one would have any problem with it(apart from Capcom of course, who expected this to sell significantly more than DMC4, but why would Tameem care about their opinion?)

[EXGN]

Capcom cares.

But yeah, I think it will sell decently. Maybe not 2.7 million but I'd wager 1.5 million at least.

[Dali]

NeoGaf hasn't had a "Hey let's all shit on DmC/NT" thread in, what, a month? It's that time again

Well when the director keeps putting his foot in his mouth what else do you expect. I agree with what he said about creating a game you think is fun rather than creating one for a demographic... but only when you're working on a new IP. Once something's established you kind of have to balance what made the game fun and created the fanbase with whatever new you want to bring to the table.

His comment about not caring about sales is what draws the ire of fans you seem to think they are so undeserving of. It's not the first time he's made such comments. If he'd just learn when to stfu sometimes and let his final product speak for itself maybe people wouldn't have such disparaging things to say about NT.

[patapuf]

Devil may cry 4 sold really well but the gameplay was boring and repetitive. Devil may cry 4 art is amazing; however, the gameplay is very repetitive. They farmed this franchise out because they were in bad need of something new to propose to the gamers.

If gameplay was the problem NT isn't exactly the ideal developper choice

[Seraphinianus]

Devil may cry 4 sold really well but the gameplay was boring and repetitive. Devil may cry 4 art is amazing; however, the gameplay is very repetitive. They farmed this franchise out because they were in bad need of something new to propose to the gamers.

they farmed out the game because DMC4 had back tracking? Capcom simply ran out of new ideas for locations! They had to go to ninja theory because they plain ran out of stage ideas. It had nothing to do with lazily designing a game.

It also has nothing to do with Capcom trying to save money by hiring struggling western studios, you heard it here first.

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

Isn't this an old quote?

Anyway, put up or shut up taneem.

I'm 90% convinced this isn't going to be a game I want never mind the DMC I wanted.

however 10% is better than zero. prove me wrong you have my money. prove me right and you have my continued disgust.

NT's call.

[JonathanPower]

If gameplay was the problem NT isn't exactly the ideal developper choice

Not just gameplay, generally speaking they were in need of new ideas. Judging from the videos, it has been the right choice.

[GuardianE]

DMC4 sold less than 3 million. Capcom is probably gonna ship 3 million copies of DmC first week.

Based on what exactly? Because you like the game?

I think the game will sell decently. I don't think it will outsell DMC4.

[george_us]

If someone at Valve said this everyone would be cumming all over it.

That's because Valve actually makes good games.

[Orobi]

I still believe it's all a big joke from Capcom, and DmC never exists.

[JonathanPower]

they farmed out the game because DMC4 had back tracking? Capcom simply ran out of new ideas for locations! They had to go to ninja theory because they plain ran out of stage ideas. It had nothing to do with lazily designing a game. It also has nothing to do with Capcom trying to save money by hiring struggling western studios, you heard it here first.

I didn't talk about back tracking in particular, but about the whole gameplay in general. It was cool at first, but very repetitive in the long run.

I do agree with you about the fact that they had to go to ninja theory due to running out of ideas for the DMC series. As I said in my previous post, they were in bad need of something new to propose to the gamers.

[Boss Doggie]

It's true though, if a company who had actually made good games(or a developer who actually enjoyed playing games) had said it no-one would have any problem with it(apart from Capcom of course, who expected this to sell significantly more than DMC4, but why would Tameem care about their opinion?)

It is, but because those companies and developers have proven to actually be worth salt.

Regardless, it's still a what-if argument that didn't happen hence pointless to speculate and use as a point.

[sixteen-bit]

Nice to see them backing away from that unrealistic 5 million goal. Hahaha.

2 million is what DMC4 did, right?

[ironcreed]

'I don't really care how many copies the game sells. As long as I am in the game, it's all gravy, baby!"

[Gbraga]

And people say it's not about the way he looks...

[Nemesis_]

'I don't really care how many copies the game sells. As long as I am in the game, it's all gravy, baby!"

Are people blind? Not only do these not look ANYTHING alike but the latest trailer has a very different less methy look for Dino, which is even more further removed from Tameem's appearance.

What on earth?

I'm not a very avid supported of this new DmC but seriously =/

[Sutanreyu]

Basically he wants to make a good game, whether or not it's actually popular.

I'm ok with this.

[Relaxed Muscle]

And people say it's not about the way he looks...

The first post about looks in 182 posts..., way to avoid all the other posts.

[Rahxephon91]

Basically he wants to make a good game, whether or not it's actually popular. I'm ok with this.

Well then explain his last two games.

[Septimius]

Valve would never say it though. They playtest the shit out of their games for a reason.

That reason is not to make it suit a different demographic, it's to make their game better. Anyone who is in the process of making a game can make the most insanely complicated game ever, but since they spend 3 years making it, they'll feel it's second nature. But when you're given 3 minutes to understand it, you'll be totally overwhelmed, and that's why you do playtesting. Not to alter your game, but to make it more approachable.

Are people blind? Not only do these not look ANYTHING alike but the latest trailer has a very different less methy look for Dino, which is even more further removed from Tameem's appearance. What on earth? I'm not a very avid supported of this new DmC but seriously =/

Author insertion does not mean "I want to represent how I am", it means "I want to represent how I think I am"

[ezekial45]

Are people blind? Not only do these not look ANYTHING alike but the latest trailer has a very different less methy look for Dino, which is even more further removed from Tameem's appearance. What on earth? I'm not a very avid supported of this new DmC but seriously =/

They're not gonna let this go. They're convinced that this game is a reflection of Antoniades' ego and vanity.

They won't drop it, even when he said otherwise.

[Finaika]

'I don't really care how many copies the game sells. As long as I am in the game, it's all gravy, baby!"

[Zee-Row]

The sooner this bombs and Capcom goes back to Dante's original look the better.

[JonathanPower]

'I don't really care how many copies the game sells. As long as I am in the game, it's all gravy, baby!"

Lol this was really fun. However, that pic is very old. The look of the actual dante is much different:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlj7A1HWUrM

I didn't like the initial design a lot, but these latest videos are really cool.

[Acquiescence]

'I don't really care how many copies the game sells. As long as I am in the game, it's all gravy, baby!"

They look nothing alike. Here's a more apt comparison...

[Gbraga]

The first post about looks in 182 posts..., way to avoid all the other posts.

Funny of you to say that:

For people that are not confident about this game: If it was the same game, the same design, same everything, even 30fps, but with Capcom on charge and Itsuno directing it, would you be hyped? Because if so, I respect that, you're not confident Ninja Theory will deliver a gameplay worthy of the DMC series and will only believe by playing, I can really respect that. If you don't think you'd like it even so, then please elaborate because I honestly can't see why would you like the series in the first place. Instead you post yaoi of DMC on tumblr, than I can understand why you wouldn't like the game just because of the reboot.

I don't think people who are skeptical about the game is just because of Dante's looks (not anymore at least, in the beginning it was), but I also think that some of them should be a little more open minded, I've seen a lot of people bashing on the game and not even willing to give it a shot. At least play the demo when/if it comes out. I'm willing to say the game is trash if it is, even though I'm so hyped about it, I hope the hater side is also willing to admit they were wrong and the game is actually good. When it was first announced, I hyped it because of NT's record when it comes to story and narrative, but I was thinking "on the downside, the gameplay will probably suck", but after 'The Fight' and 'The Secret' videos, I think that even the gameplay looks very promising, and the statements they make about how they're approaching gameplay with Itsuno guiding them makes me believe it will actually be great even gameplay-wise. Maybe not the best DMC gameplay-wise, but probably not the worst. And when it comes to story and stuff like that it will probably be the best in the series. The only thing I have a hard time accepting is that they couldn't handle releasing it in 2013 instead of 2012 to use MT Framwork and run at 60fps, that's a let down, but I guess it can be corrected easily with a PC version.

You guys love to say that people don't understand you and your reasons, but when they try you simply ignore everything, the only post I made in this thread that got any responses was the one you quoted. Way to avoid the other posts.

[ezekial45]

FYI, here is the actor that is portraying Dante

Tim Phillips

[Shiloa]

Well, the Edge preview I read was pretty positive about the game.

[ironcreed]

Are people blind? Not only do these not look ANYTHING alike but the latest trailer has a very different less methy look for Dino, which is even more further removed from Tameem's appearance. What on earth? I'm not a very avid supported of this new DmC but seriously =/

Oh, come on. I am just messing around. I even think the game looks fun for what it is and have even said as much on numerous occasions.

[Nemesis_]

They're not gonna let this go. They're convinced that this game is a reflection of Antoniades' ego and vanity. They won't drop it, even when he said otherwise.

Saying "he said otherwise" is a flawed argument because people think he's an unreliable person to rely on such an opinion for. If that makes sense. >_>

But my point is, even if you wanted to say "he said otherwise", he doesn't really have to. Look at the NEW LOOK for Dino in this game following all the criticism. He's changed quite a bit and resembles nothing like the reveal trailer all those times ago.

It just frustrates me how awful some people are at forming such terrible and factually wrong inferences from poorly made observations.

Look at me, defending the very thing I hate.

As others have said, I'll try this and give it a good go (heck I'll probably buy it and play it through) but I am not expecting anything as in-depth or as engaging as the original DMC games.

Oh, come on. I am just messing around. I even think the game looks fun for what it is and have even said as much on numerous occasions.

I really couldn't tell, and I don't have the time to look through your post history to reaffirm your stance. >_>

[Gbraga]

Author insertion does not mean "I want to represent how I am", it means "I want to represent how I think I am"

So he thinks he's Tim Phillips now? Because after the "second redesign" they made him look like his actor.

[RoboPlato]

I completely agree with what he said. But of course, most of you are gonna hate on it anyway cause you don't like the game he's making.

Yep. I have high hopes for this game's quality, just not as a DMC game. I liked Enslaved a lot despite the many blemishes and this looks to be a good deal better.

[NinjaBoiX]

The sooner this bombs and Capcom goes back to Dante's original look the better.

Because OG Dante looked sooo cool and not at all like a homoerotic, emo nancyboy. I think new Dante looks a) much better and more badass than before, and b) actually looks like a person you'd meet in the street rather than in Jean-Paul Gaultier's fantasies.