[MTMBStudios]

Are you suggesting that the story of DMC4 is so shitty that one could never think about finishing the game because he is enjoying the story ? Lol, I don't think that I am the only one that finds repeating the same levels again with a different character boring. Maybe you didn't notice, but when you are repeating the same levels in reverse with a differet character, playing against the same enemies, the only main difference is the story.

hmmm

also yeah, no human has ever played DMC "for the story" I can safely say.

[HyperBitHero]

Well...you should care, for many reasons.

[BeautifulMemory]

hmmm also yeah, no human has ever played DMC for the story I can safely say.

But the fall of Vergil...

[GuardianE]

But the fall of Vergil...

DMC3 had a fuck-awesome story. You'd have to be unfairly dismissive to ignore the properly paced coming of age plot. It shits all over most of today's desperately controversial or convoluted stories.

[joe2187]

Engines don't create textures. They don't create anything. If you don't like the look of the game, don't blame the engine. Blame the art director who signed off on the look. Not a fan of DmC based on everything I've seen so far, but lay the blame where it's due.

Then who do I blame for that weird oily/latex look I've seen in all of the Unreal engine games I've played?

hmmm also yeah, no human has ever played DMC for the story I can safely say.

I dont know man, compared to Bayonetta the story in DMC is like Shakespeare, and I actually did like the story in the games playing through DMC3 made more interested in it's characters and history than I thought I would, It's why I bought DMC4 really. The combat is not as great as DMC3 but I guess after a while It gets better (I hope)

[BeautifulMemory]

DMC3 had a fuck-awesome story. You'd have to be unfairly dismissive to ignore the properly paced coming of age plot. It shits all over most of today's desperately controversial or convoluted stories.

I would say that's true for Dante, Vergil, and Lady

[JonathanPower]

hmmm also yeah, no human should probably be playing DMC "for the story".

Well, I do enjoy the story as a result of the combination of art, music, and direction of the game. However, this may be related to your cultural level. Art is not for everyone.

[GuardianE]

I would say that's true for Dante, Vergil, and Lady

Well, sure. There are intentional parallels drawn between all three characters, all from different backgrounds and approaches to familial obligations/heritage/responsibilities. And they all learn from one another to a certain degree by the end, although Dante learns the most.

Just because the game had over-the-top cutscenes didn't mean there wasn't substance to the core story.

[First Name]

But the fall of Vergil...

DMC3 had a fuck-awesome story. You'd have to be unfairly dismissive to ignore the properly paced coming of age plot. It shits all over most of today's desperately controversial or convoluted stories.

I agree with these. DMC 3's story, simple as it may be, is one of my favorites in video games. Though I do think what MTMB meant (he can correct me if I'm wrong) is that the story has never been the main draw of the series.
And claiming to have played DMC 4 purely for the story is a little... well, weird. I won't say it's out of the realm of possibility but it's certainly an outlier position.

[Kusagari]

Are you suggesting that the story of DMC4 is so shitty that one could never think about finishing the game because he is enjoying the story ? Lol, I don't think that I am the only one that finds repeating the same levels again with a different character boring. Maybe you didn't notice, but when you are repeating the same levels in reverse with a different character, playing against the same enemies, the only main difference is the story.

No the main difference is the gameplay, you know the entire point of an action game. Something which developers like Ninja Theory don't get.

Nero and Dante couldn't be anymore different as characters. Was I upset that I had to play the same enemies and bosses? Yes. But in the end I didn't care, because Dante had such a wealth of amazing options to try out in combat.

A comment like this shows me that you have no idea what makes an action game good, which is why it isn't surprising in the least you would be defending DmC.

[BeautifulMemory]

Well, sure. There are intentional parallels drawn between all three characters, all from different backgrounds and approaches to familial obligations/heritage/responsibilities. And they all learn from one another to a certain degree by the end, although Dante learns the most. Just because the game had over-the-top cutscenes didn't mean there wasn't substance to the core story.

*high five* you just said what I have always felt about DMC3

[JonathanPower]

I agree with these. DMC 3's story, simple as it may be, is one of my favorites in video games. Though I do think what MTMB meant (he can correct me if I'm wrong) is that the story has never been the main draw of the series. And claiming to have played DMC 4 purely for the story is a little... well, weird. I won't say it's out of the realm of possibility but it's certainly an outlier position.

As I said, I do enjoy the story as a result of the combination of art, music, and direction of the game. If it bothers you so much you can replace the word "story" with "to see what happens in the game".

[GuardianE]

*high five* you just said what I have always felt about DMC3

I feel like we may have had this exchange before. :)

DMC3's story is undersold far too often, but it's mostly because DMC3's combat is out of this world, often eclipsing the story for most people... and for others, it seems they can't look past the meticulously choreographed cutscenes to see that there's a fair amount of subtlety to the game's plot.

[JonathanPower]

No the main difference is the gameplay, you know the entire point of an action game. Something which developers like Ninja Theory don't get. Nero and Dante couldn't be anymore different as characters. Was I upset that I had to play the same enemies and bosses? Yes. But in the end I didn't care, because Dante had such a wealth of amazing options to try out in combat. A comment like this shows me that you have no idea what makes an action game good, which is why it isn't surprising in the least you would be defending DmC.

For you it's just a game featuring action, and you are only focused about the action. For me the art direction, the music, the level design and the story can be as much important as the combat system.

[BeautifulMemory]

I feel like we may have had this exchange before. :) DMC3's story is undersold far too often, but it's mostly because DMC3's combat is out of this world, often eclipsing the story for most people... and for others, it seems they can't look past the meticulously choreographed cutscenes to see that there's a fair amount of subtlety to the game's plot.

Yea we probably have had this convo already lol

And yes, agreed on all points. I have always liked the story, but playing it again with the HD collection made me aware how wonderful the pacing was and the writing. Some dialogues were awkward, but for the most part I was fascinated with the character interactions.

I always liked the over-the-top ridiculousness. It's the game's personality. It's Dante's...dare I say it..DNA Few games have offered the freedom as DMC3/4 have offered, and it really is an attitude of carefree, free-style kind of game. Most games are like "epic bosses!" while DMC took that with a defiant twist. I resonate to the challenge of being creative and stylish in my combat

[Totobeni]

He'll care when his studio closes doors when it bombas.

see how well that horrible Resident Evil: Operation Racoon City sold, Capcom fans are super loyal and will most likely buy and eat this game blindly even it it turned to be a a big piece of poop like other Ninja Theory games.

[Pupi18]

Tameen: "I dont care if the game runs at 30FPS or 10FPS. People whines too much"

(Obviously not real btw)

EDIT: IMO this game cant be worse than Ninja Gaiden 3 as an action game. And it will surely be a better game than Operation Raccoon City. I'll probably buy it eventually (Not day one)

[GuardianE]

Tameen: "I dont care if the game runs at 30FPS or 10FPS. People whines too much" (Obviously not real btw) EDIT: IMO this game cant be worse than Ninja Gaiden 3 as an action game. And it will surely be a better game than Operation Raccoon City. I'll probably buy it eventually (Not day one)

Just buy it used. GAF tells me that used games are good for the market.

Yea we probably have had this convo already lol And yes, agreed on all points. I have always liked the story, but playing it again with the HD collection made me aware how wonderful the pacing was and the writing. Some dialogues were awkward, but for the most part I was fascinated with the character interactions. I always liked the over-the-top ridiculousness. It's the game's personality. It's Dante's...dare I say it..DNA Few games have offered the freedom as DMC3/4 have offered, and it really is an attitude of carefree, free-style kind of game. Most games are like "epic bosses!" while DMC took that with a defiant twist. I resonate to the challenge of being creative and stylish in my combat

Oh, there's no question that a few of the lines are awkward, but it's still better delivered than a lot of games today that are supposed to be story-centric. I absolutely adore the over-the-top cutscenes. They felt really entertaining and also had a lot of utility: served the purpose of displaying much of Dante's potential moveset.

[Kusagari]

Tameen: "I dont care if the game runs at 30FPS or 10FPS. People whines too much" (Obviously not real btw) EDIT: IMO this game cant be worse than Ninja Gaiden 3 as an action game. And it will surely be a better game than Operation Raccoon City. I'll probably buy it eventually (Not day one)

Oh there's no way this can be worse than NG3. Only solace Ninja Theory can take.

[Esura]

Oh there's no way this can be worse than NG3. Only solace Ninja Theory can take.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

[Gbraga]

Dodge at the last moment isn't parry, striking the enemy's attack with your own attack is the Parry. You might want to freeze frame and check the video again if you see the word Parry pop up.

Wait, WHAT?

That doesn't even make sense. Why would a trade benefit me completely? wtf

Seriously, what the hell is up with parry in this game?

[TheJollyCorner]

as long as it has "the feel" of money, right Tameem?

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

Because OG Dante looked sooo cool and not at all like a homoerotic, emo nancyboy. I think new Dante looks a) much better and more badass than before, and b) actually looks like a person you'd meet in the street rather than in Jean-Paul Gaultier's fantasies.

And why the fuck would I want to play as someone I would see in the street? IT'S A FUCKING VIDEOGAME.

Are you suggesting that the story of DMC4 is so shitty that one could never think about finishing the game because he is enjoying the story ? Lol, I don't think that I am the only one that finds repeating the same levels again with a different character boring. Maybe you didn't notice, but when you are repeating the same levels in reverse with a different character, playing against the same enemies, the only main difference is the story.

My friend, you are playing the game so wrong it's embarrassing.

For you it's just a game featuring action, and you are only focused about the action. For me the art direction, the music, the level design and the story can be as much important as the combat system.

No wonder your defending ninja theory. Urgh.

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

Dp sorry.

[Laughing Banana]

Damn, the hate for Tameem is as such that he is getting quite a lot of personal attacks here. Not attacking the game, no, but attacking the person himself.

Damn.

[Finaika]

Damn, the hate for Tameem is as such that he is getting quite a lot of personal attacks here. Not attacking the game, no, but attacking the person himself. Damn.

He reminds me of the evil Loki from Thor.

[Nemesis_]

While I agree that developers shouldn't compromise their vision to appeal to a certain market criteria, Tameem's statement can only be effectively applied to new IPs. You can't completely ignore fans of an established franchise.

This is pretty much how I feel now

[JonathanPower]

And why the fuck would I want to play as someone I would see in the street? IT'S A FUCKING VIDEOGAME.

The new Dante looks less demoniac and more vulnerable than the old Dante. The fact that the new Dante doesn't look so much unbreakable like the old Dante it's a style decision that I love. It makes me feel more for the character.

My friend, you are playing the game so wrong it's embarrassing. No wonder your defending ninja theory. Urgh.

Well, I am denfending NT because the last trailer was really cool. The actual level structure is simply amazing, this is why all this bashing seems silly to me.
I must admit that I didn't like the first trailer a lot, but with the last trailer they stepped in the right direction and now the game looks really interesting. The concept of the city being an alive entity trying to fight Dante is intriguing. The plot with Dante being half demon and half angel is also interesting. Lets wait for the reviews of the game.

[zoukka]

If he was saying this in the role as the creative director then I have no problem at all.

That's funny because he is the chief creative ninja at the company.

But then again he dares to touch the series without getting approval from NeoGAF, doesn't undermine his own work in PR and tries to be true to his vision.

He's basically the Satan.

No wonder your defending ninja theory. Urgh.

Remember the original Devil May Cry game? That games strengths were equally in the level design, presentation and atmosphere as well as combat. After that game the series has thrown everything to the trash besides spectacular combat system, which is why I still consider the first game to be the best in the series.

[Endo Punk]

The original Devil May Cry game? That games strengths were equally in the level design, presentation and atmosphere as well as combat. I still consider the first game to be the best in the series.

And I would agree with you completely. No game has been able to rival DMC in terms of atmosphere and level design, except for maybe GOW1. But DMC1 looked exciting and with great atmosphere PLUS gameplay from the trailers. This absolutely does not, and it's probably beating a dead horse by now but HS and Enslaved also lacked this.

Those games felt very artificial in their appeal and had no strong foundation, same vibe from everything Ive seen and heard from DmC. NT it seems will always remain a one tricks pony.

He reminds me of the evil Loki from Thor.

lol he is, it's true :D I mean do people forget how this guy acts when his games bomb? It's like he has some sceptor to control the media and dumb fanboys. Poor Tameen, lets give him another chance....

[mandas]

And I would agree with you completely. No game has been able to rival DMC in terms of atmosphere and level design, except for maybe GOW1. But DMC1 looked exciting and with great atmosphere PLUS gameplay from the trailers. This absolutely does not, and it's probably beating a dead horse by now but HS and Enslaved also lacked this. Those games felt very artificial in their appeal and had no strong foundation, same vibe from everything Ive seen and heard from DmC. NT it seems will always remain a one tricks pony. lol he is, it's true :D I mean do people forget how this guy acts when his games bomb? It's like he has some sceptor to control the media and dumb fanboys. Poor Tameen, lets give him another chance....

When NT games bomb or Hollywood does not want his Enslaved movies he points fingers. The only thing different here is he is pointing fingers and has been for some time before the product has been released.

[gogogow]

When NT games bomb or Hollywood does not want his Enslaved movies he points fingers. The only thing different here is he is pointing fingers and has been for some time before the product has been released.

Tameem wanted to make the Enslaved movie with the Unreal Engine......in real-time :/
I don't even know why he would want to do that, it's a movie and not interactive. What advantages would there be? He said that the cutscenes in the game were impressive, but aren't they pre-recorded? Anyway, there's no need for another "Journey to the West" movie, there's already two coming this year, the real deal, from Donnie Yen and Stephen Chow.

[NinjaBoiX]

And why the fuck would I want to play as someone I would see in the street? IT'S A FUCKING GAME.

Oh yeah, I forgot that there is absolutely zero appeal in playing the everyman. I mean, I personally found OG Dante's expertly combed hairdo and perfect complexion to be a much more relatable image.

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

The new Dante looks less demoniac and more vulnerable than the old Dante. The fact that the new Dante doesn't look so much unbreakable like the old Dante it's a style decision that I love. It makes me feel more for the character. Well, I am denfending NT because the last trailer was really cool. The actual level structure is simply amazing, this is why all this bashing seems silly to me. I must admit that I didn't like the first trailer a lot, but with the last trailer they stepped in the right direction and now the game looks really interesting. The concept of the city being an alive entity trying to fight Dante is intriguing. The plot with Dante being half demon and half angel is also interesting. Lets wait for the reviews of the game.

You feel more? Are you reading what you write?

Hell, nah. Your one of those cinematic people.

Let's just not engage with you as you don't have a clue why DMC-gaf doesn't like this game.

And for the final time. Reviews don't mean jack shit to me, especially with titles that try to be "cinematic". The impressions of certain members of this board and others I read are worth way more than the metacritic monkeys. I'll wait for them and my rental service.

Oh yeah, I forgot that there is absolutely zero appeal in playing the everyman. I mean, I personally found OG Dante's expertly combed hairdo and perfect complexion to be a much more relatable image.

My point of wanting to "relating" to a videogame seems to go straight over your head.

thats as bad as tanneems "Dante walking through a bar" comment.

I just don't understand nor do I want to. The idea of wanting to relate to a videogame and find some deeper meaning by feeling for the protagonists struggle is just fucking nonsense to me.

Remember the original Devil May Cry game? That games strengths were equally in the level design, presentation and atmosphere as well as combat. After that game the series has thrown everything to the trash besides spectacular combat system, which is why I still consider the first game to be the best in the series.

Now this is more of a sensible counter point. But now your getting really good presentation, ok level design and possible good atmosphere with average to mediocre combat. If your cool with that fine, but don't have at those who would forgo that for a deep and brilliant combat system.

[theCHENRY]

So many rustled jimmies in this thread.

[GuardianE]

Oh yeah, I forgot that there is absolutely zero appeal in playing the everyman. I mean, I personally found OG Dante's expertly combed hairdo and perfect complexion to be a much more relatable image.

I question the need for this relatability. Why do I need to "relate" to a protagonist physically? We have enough of that in games nowadays. I think it's a manufactured requirement of today.

Maybe I'm a minority, but I don't feel any stronger connection to Nathan Drake than I do to Ryu Hayabusa or Phoenix Wright just because he looks like a regular guy.

[Criminal Upper]

So many rustled jimmies in this thread.

This post is well-timed, and hilarious. Was not expecting a rustled jimmies reference.

[danmaku]

Well, I do enjoy the story as a result of the combination of art, music, and direction of the game. However, this may be related to your cultural level. Art is not for everyone.

"art"? in... DMC? Now I've seen everything.

Nothing wrong in liking the narrative in a game, but if that's what you want from DMC, you're looking in the wrong place.

[Izick]

I don't care for this DmC at all. It looks like complete and utter trash compared to the previous games, but I can't help but feel that the headline has been twisted for the sole purpose to be attention-grabbing and "controversial" when it's just someone saying that they have to stay true to themselves creatively, or they wouldn't be successful critically or commercially.

[Esura]

"art"? in... DMC? Now I've seen everything. Nothing wrong in liking the narrative in a game, but if that's what you want from DMC, you're looking in the wrong place.

DMC series always had a good art direction, DMC2 included. Its one of the main things that made me interested in the first one. I wasn't in it originally for the gameplay but I ended up staying because of it.

[JonathanPower]

You feel more? Are you reading what you write? Hell, nah. Your one of those cinematic people. Let's just not engage with you as you don't have a clue why DMC-gaf doesn't like this game. And for the final time. Reviews don't mean jack shit to me, especially with titles that try to be "cinematic". The impressions of certain members of this board and others I read are worth way more than the metacritic monkeys. I'll wait for them and my rental service. My point of wanting to "relating" to a videogame seems to go straight over your head. thats as bad as tanneems "Dante walking through a bar" comment. I just don't understand nor do I want to. The idea of wanting to relate to a videogame and find some deeper meaning by feeling for the protagonists struggle is just fucking nonsense to me. Now this is more of a sensible counter point. But now your getting really good presentation, ok level design and possible good atmosphere with average to mediocre combat. If your cool with that fine, but don't have at those who would forgo that for a deep and brilliant combat system.

You don't give a jack shit about art, music, and direction of a game. This is fine. However, you need to realize that in this world there are people with a higher cultural level than you that are interested about there things.

[Skilletor]

You don't give a jack shit about art, music, and direction of a game. This is fine. However, you need to realize that in this world there are people with a higher cultural level than you that are interested about there things.

This made me LOL IRL.

Higher cultural level...lol. That's measurable now? hahahahahahaha

[DevilPower]

You don't give a jack shit about art, music, and direction of a game. This is fine. However, you need to realize that in this world there are people with a higher cultural level than you that are interested about there things.

Sure there are people with "a higher cultural level"...
And they appreciate DMC for what it is, a solid action game... Nothing more, nothing less...
Saying one really liked the story in DMC 4 is begging to be laughed at...

[danmaku]

DMC series always had a good art direction, DMC2 included. Its one of the main things that made me interested in the first one. I wasn't in it originally for the gameplay but I ended up staying because of it.

It works in the game's context, but he was talking about "art" in the loosest sense of the word. Like you'd need a PhD in Japanese literature to fully appreciate the "art" of DMC!

[JonathanPower]

This made me LOL IRL. Higher cultural level...lol. That's measurable now? hahahahahahaha

Higher education refers to the stage of learning that occurs at universities, academies, colleges, seminaries and work. I am afraid that if you look at the resume of the people working in the art department of a game, you will find out that these people have a very high level of education.

[Criminal Upper]

Higher education refers to the stage of learning that occurs at universities, academies, colleges, seminaries, work. I am afraid that if you look at the resume of the people working in the art department of a game, you will find out that these people have a very high level of education.

Wow.

[DevilPower]

Higher education refers to the stage of learning that occurs at universities, academies, colleges, seminaries and work. I am afraid that if you look at the resume of the people working in the art department of a game, you will find out that these people have a very high level of education.

LOL... Shifting goalposts are we...?

[GuardianE]

Higher education refers to the stage of learning that occurs at universities, academies, colleges, seminaries, work. I am afraid that if you look at the resume of the people working in the art department of a game, you will find out that these people have a very high level of education.

While I don't necessarily agree with ThoughtofSpeaking's reductionist approach to gaming, you're being really silly with your "higher cultural level" comment.

Allow me to play Devil's Advocate. Did you ever stop to think that the combat engine of DMC is a work of art? It's essentially an instrument, giving you the tools to choreograph your own expressive form of combat. It was painstakingly created to allow you, the player, maximum freedom of expression. You've admitted yourself that you don't have a particularly strong grasp of the combat of DMC. You found it boring. Well, similarly ThoughtofSpeaking finds the embellishments of story and characterization to be extraneous. Just food for thought. Maybe the combat of DMC is an artform that you don't get.

Disagreeing with someone's stance is fine. Playing a card like "higher education" or "higher cultural level" (which is really just silly. You don't know anyone in this thread to make an assessment like that.) is really just an easy way out of an argument.

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

You don't give a jack shit about art, music, and direction of a game. This is fine. However, you need to realize that in this world there are people with a higher cultural level than you that are interested about there things.

excuse-the-fuck-me?

I can't speak for the rest of this world but I do know there are people in this thread and wider industry that are trying to shoehorn their bourgeois tastes in a medium totally ill-fitting for it.

Its a videogame, not a rembrandt piece. Do not presume to think that because I do not appreciate art in videogames in the way you do, that I have a "lower cultural level"

The medium of gaming works best when you concentrate on the very thing that differentiates it from other media. - Its interactivity. Not trying to eschew things that are done much better and much more effectively elsewhere.

I swear down, the arrogance of some of you NT apologists. Its beyond belief.

While I don't necessarily agree with ThoughtofSpeaking's reductionist approach to gaming, you're being really silly with your "higher cultural level" comment. Allow me to play Devil's Advocate. Did you ever stop to think that the combat engine of DMC is a work of art? It's essentially an instrument, giving you the tools to choreograph your own expressive form of combat. It was painstakingly created to allow you, the player, maximum freedom of expression. You've admitted yourself that you don't have a particularly strong grasp of the combat of DMC. You found it boring. Well, similarly ThoughtofSpeaking finds the embellishments of story and characterization to be extraneous. Just food for thought. Maybe the combat of DMC is an artform that you don't get. Disagreeing with someone's stance is fine. Playing a card like "higher education" or "higher cultural level" (which is really just silly. You don't know anyone in this thread to make an assessment like that.) is really just an easy way out of an argument.

essentially my point.

believe it or not, I could expand on my "games should be games" stance in a much more academic way. I choose not to because this is not the place for it.

But just for MR. Power.... take a read. http://www.jesperjuul.net/text/clash...narrative.html

[Dali]

LOL... Shifting goalposts are we...?

Naw... you just need to raise your culture level. You're at like a 2. You need at least level 6 to conflate higher education with "cultural level".