[whitehawk]

You do not fucking taze someone who is already being held down on the ground. It's obvious they were pretending to struggle so they could keep beating him. The dude was willing to comply, but he was in so much pain he couldn't breath or bring his hands around to his back.

Videos like these make me think we should ban tazers. Cops obviously aren't mature enough to use them.

[Darklord]

You do not fucking taze someone who is already being held down on the ground. It's obvious they were pretending to struggle so they could keep beating him. The dude was willing to comply, but he was in so much pain he couldn't breath or bring his hands around to his back. Videos like these make me think we should ban tazers. Cops obviously aren't mature enough to use them.

He wasn't just tazing him. He was smashing it into his face. The actual butt of it.

[endre]

Damn, that was hard to watch...


There is a very graphic picture of the victim on wikipedia (view at your own risk)

Only two of the cops are on trial? If so, what about the cops who arrived later?

[Indrid Cold1]

Fuck! They straight up murdered him. I guarantee that few things in this life will disturb me like hearing a grown man cry out for his god or his father to save him from the people whose job it is to serve and protect HIM just did.

Power crazed savages. If there is any justice in this world they will meet their end a similar way in prison.

[Angry Grimace]

I think that's probably because most people are always looking for any little thing to nail a police officer on, they constantly get falsely accused of things they didn't do, they are constantly dealing with the scum of society, etc. They need to know that their authority system has their back. That said, this kind of thing is fucked and hopefully these officers rot with the prisoners they put in jail.

That isn't what I'm talking about at all. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Code_of_Silence

There were six cops involved in this. I'm just saying, those other 4 cops testimony didn't seem to be a relevant factor in getting the 2 other guys charged.

[Reseil]

Damn, that was hard to watch... There is a very graphic picture of the victim on wikipedia (view at your own risk) Only two of the cops are on trial? If so, what about the cops who arrived later?

Jesus F'ing Christ.

They beat dude into hamburger. I can only hope they get a taste of that if they go to prison. Which they won't because they will plea bargain it down.

That's insane.

[Seda]

I'm tearing up watching this.

[Juancho9]

His father was also a police officer. Or used to be, even helped in the training of such matters I think.

[JetBlackPanda]

this shit is terrifying, even worse are people that say shit like this..

"well they said get on the ground and he kept walking, what did he think would happen."

this just happened at my work while I was watching the video.

The Police are getting out of control.

[Rehynn]

God damnit I almost started crying. I will never understand how one can keep torturing anything (human or animal) that is so apparently in pain and terror.

Also, YouTube allows murder but not nudity.

[DMeisterJ]

Sad.

Sad for the senseless beating, and sad that cops would do that to someone who was a danger to no one. It's clear they just got angry that he wouldn't comply rather then being genuinely concerned about the safety of others. Hopefully they rot in jail.

[Dan]

I've been following this for the last year. Hopefully these two are found guilty. I don't see how they can justifiably avoid it. Seems to me some of the other cops aren't guilt-free either, but they're getting nothing.

[Foxy Fox 39]

Its my unsubstantiated theory that police culture and policy reinforce this type of behavior. Interactions are all about an inflated and superfluous notion of respect. The culture has almost adopted a gang mentality in this regard where the interaction between officer and citizen is almost always about the citizen showing no sort of perceived disrespect even if said citizen is well within their rights. You have to walk on egg shells around police officers because you never know if it is a "good" cop or "bad" cop and if they want they could arrest you for something or even adopt the role of judge jury, and in this case executioner.

Two sentiments are often echoed: "well most cops aren't bad", or "you just hear about the bad ones not the good ones". I would point out that what makes a cop good or bad is very nebulous. Shocker I know, but bad cops do good things. Just because Officer Brady saved a life does not mean he is fit for duty. Being an officer is more than just a heroic act here and there. It's supposed to be the idyllic embodiment of human charity and honesty. Once your focus is inward then that disappears. It's the reason cops have ridiculous quotas to fill, the reason drug arrest help officers advance in their field, or...like I mentioned earlier, the reason for inflated egos.

The "good cops" as one calls it, cannot remain "good" for too long. You're either a part of the team or you're not. You can only remain a "good cop" for so long until the force influences you to pick a side - and if you pick wrong you may be transferred, suspended or some other white paper tactic to make you ineffective. Worse you could be labeled mentally unstable

So as many good cops come in, I think its almost a distilling process wherein said cops become discouraged and quit, become moot, or little by little they start compromising on ethical behavior, which is caused by the code of silence, the brotherhood of the badge and other policy.

I'm not saying all police officers or all precincts are like this, but there are a good many...too many for the position that cops hold and their society only perpetuates this behavior.

[Treefingers]

So why are only two police officers on trial? When there were what, 5-6 there?

[velvet_nitemare]

I'm going bar hopping in DTF on Saturday. Better watch out.

[Bumblebeetuna]

Tearing up watching this horse shit. Unbelievable.

[Fantomex]

Man, it's crazy and depressing. I realize Cops have it hard, having to figure out whos coming at you and always being on your toes, but man. This excessive Force crap is now everywhere. If any of you have been to Fullerton, it's one of the most laid back cities in some regard. This sucks.

[DarthWoo]

"Fullerton police officer Manuel Ramos was charged with second-degree murder in Thomas' death, and Cpl. Jay Cicinelli faces involuntary manslaughter and excessive use of force charges." They're not above the law , they're going to get trialed like someone who committed a criminal act. They're fucked with the video evidence . Enough with this baseless bullshit about all cops are bad. That logic is so awful

And meanwhile other police keep trying to harass those with cameras and have laws implemented to criminalize the videotaping of police in action. You do recall that incident a year or so ago where one woman was videoing police, so they came after her, and when others held a rally in her support, practically the whole department came out in force to ticket the cars of every person supporting her. As much as I want to say not all cops are bad, too many of them are doing their best to prove us wrong. Every time there's one of these incidents, people just chalk it up to a couple bad eggs, and then it happens all over again a week later.

[shadowsdarknes]

?? What did I say there that was wrong? American police are very aggressive, they get off with murder and you should fix that? You disagree?

"Your cops are fucking scum" is just completely out of line and insulting to my parents and many hard working individuals I know.

Blanket statements like that do nobody any good, dick.

[quadriplegicjon]

That was awful.. :(

[Callo Merlose]

Hoo rah for America's largest organized gang. That amount of trained professionals it takes to restrain a single man is amazing. And for the people rushing to claim that not all cops are like this, had 7 more cops showed up, do you really think they'd have calmed down the ones already on the scene?

Its my unsubstantiated theory that police culture and policy reinforce this type of behavior. Interactions are all about an inflated and superfluous notion of respect. The culture has almost adopted a gang mentality in this regard where the interaction between officer and citizen is almost always about the citizen showing no sort of perceived disrespect even if said citizen is well within their rights. You have to walk on egg shells around police officers because you never know if it is a "good" cop or "bad" cop and if they want they could arrest you for something or even adopt the role of judge jury, and in this case executioner. Two sentiments are often echoed: "well most cops aren't bad", or "you just hear about the bad ones not the good ones". I would point out that what makes a cop good or bad is very nebulous. Shocker I know, but bad cops do good things. Just because Officer Brady saved a life does not mean he is fit for duty. Being an officer is more than just a heroic act here and there. It's supposed to be the idyllic embodiment of human charity and honesty. Once your focus is inward then that disappears. It's the reason cops have ridiculous quotas to fill, the reason drug arrest help officers advance in their field, or...like I mentioned earlier, the reason for inflated egos. The "good cops" as one calls it, cannot remain "good" for too long. You're either a part of the team or you're not. You can only remain a "good cop" for so long until the force influences you to pick a side - and if you pick wrong you may be transferred, suspended or some other white paper tactic to make you ineffective. Worse you could be labeled mentally unstable So as many good cops come in, I think its almost a distilling process wherein said cops become discouraged and quit, become moot, or little by little they start compromising on ethical behavior, which is caused by the code of silence, the brotherhood of the badge and other policy. I'm not saying all police officers or all precincts are like this, but there are a good many...too many for the position that cops hold and their society only perpetuates this behavior.

Quoted for the sad truth.

[Fantomex]

"Your cops are fucking scum" is just completely out of line and insulting to my parents and many hard working individuals I know. Blanket statements like that do nobody any good, dick.

I understand what he said upset you, but please tread lightly Junior.

[To Far Away Times]

I'm getting a knot in my throat watching this. Dude crying out for help while the cops are beating him. Fucking disgusting behavior.

[Angry Grimace]

Its my unsubstantiated theory that police culture and policy reinforce this type of behavior. Interactions are all about an inflated and superfluous notion of respect. The culture has almost adopted a gang mentality in this regard where the interaction between officer and citizen is almost always about the citizen showing no sort of perceived disrespect even if said citizen is well within their rights. You have to walk on egg shells around police officers because you never know if it is a "good" cop or "bad" cop and if they want they could arrest you for something or even adopt the role of judge jury, and in this case executioner. Two sentiments are often echoed: "well most cops aren't bad", or "you just hear about the bad ones not the good ones". I would point out that what makes a cop good or bad is very nebulous. Shocker I know, but bad cops do good things. Just because Officer Brady saved a life does not mean he is fit for duty. Being an officer is more than just a heroic act here and there. It's supposed to be the idyllic embodiment of human charity and honesty. Once your focus is inward then that disappears. It's the reason cops have ridiculous quotas to fill, the reason drug arrest help officers advance in their field, or...like I mentioned earlier, the reason for inflated egos. The "good cops" as one calls it, cannot remain "good" for too long. You're either a part of the team or you're not. You can only remain a "good cop" for so long until the force influences you to pick a side - and if you pick wrong you may be transferred, suspended or some other white paper tactic to make you ineffective. Worse you could be labeled mentally unstable So as many good cops come in, I think its almost a distilling process wherein said cops become discouraged and quit, become moot, or little by little they start compromising on ethical behavior, which is caused by the code of silence, the brotherhood of the badge and other policy. I'm not saying all police officers or all precincts are like this, but there are a good many...too many for the position that cops hold and their society only perpetuates this behavior.

One time a cop threatened to arrest my wife for assault when she playfully hit me as we walked out of a bar, and forced us to sit on a brick wall while we humiliated ourselves answering inane questions in front of all of the people in the bar.

[mysticwhip]

man fuck them. that guy's suffering was hard to listen to

[fabricated backlash]

"Your cops are fucking scum" is just completely out of line and insulting to my parents and many hard working individuals I know. Blanket statements like that do nobody any good, dick.

Neither do insults on message boards over some perceived violation of your parents honor, wouldn't you agree?

One time a cop threatened to arrest my wife for assault when she playfully hit me as we walked out of a bar, and forced us to sit on a brick wall while we humiliated ourselves answering inane questions in front of all of the people in the bar.

He was just protecting the world from your brutal wife. You should be thankfull he didn't tazer her immediately. She was obviously a menace to society in that moment.

[commedieu]

?? What did I say there that was wrong? American police are very aggressive, they get off with murder and you should fix that? You disagree?

You left out the fact that they used racial slurs while doing so.. and THEN got off for it.

Gaf,

We should really start an OT of good cop stories. Them murdering & maiming civilians all the time is really getting the spotlight.

[Darklord]

"Your cops are fucking scum" is just completely out of line and insulting to my parents and many hard working individuals I know. Blanket statements like that do nobody any good, dick.

And throwing insults do nobody any good either. Sure, there are good American cops but so many others there are pure arseholes, murders, power abusers, racists. They're simple minded people who get a taste for power and go rampant. And not only that but they get away with it! It even gets worse when the good cops DO try and stop them bashing a guy to death and that person gets in trouble! It's insanity and more like a fucking mob or a gang than people there to protect and serve.
I remember they were talking about hiring some overseas police officer for some high ranking position here and they wouldn't hire an American cop because of how they act and the aggressive way they are taught to do things.

[remnant]

And throwing insults do nobody any good either. Sure, there are good American cops but so many others there are pure arseholes, murders, power abusers, racists. They're simple minded people who get a taste for power and go rampant. And not only that but they get away with it! It even gets worse when the good cops DO try and stop them bashing a guy to death and that person gets in trouble! It's insanity and more like a fucking mob or a gang than people there to protect and serve. I remember they were talking about hiring some overseas police officer for some high ranking position here and they wouldn't hire an American cop because of how they act and the aggressive way they are taught to do things.

Sure. I guess police brutality only occurs in America.

What you said was stupid. Stop defending it and let it go. Comments like yours don't help the situation, it's doesn't start the discourse. It puts the focus away from what's really important, and that is the corruption and culture of protecting your own that is found in many areas of local government, not just among the evil solely American local police forces..

[FStop7]

Its my unsubstantiated theory that police culture and policy reinforce this type of behavior.

I wouldn't call it unsubstantiated. Watch the documentary The Thin Blue Line. It's a little old now but I think it's still the most compelling story of the blue wall.

[Guy LeDouche]

Fuck the police.

[shadowsdarknes]

Neither do insults on message boards over some perceived violation of your parents honor, wouldn't you agree? He was just protecting the world from your brutal wife. You should be thankfull he didn't tazer her immediately. She was obviously a menace to society in that moment.

Sure. The dick comment was out of line but so is insulting thousands of good people. But you still see him defending the comment.

[KHarvey16]

The Bureau of Labor Statistics pegs the number of police and detectives in the US in 2010 at a little over 794,000. Just keep that in mind when citing anecdotes and news stories to support opinions generalizing so many individuals.

[Darklord]

Sure. I guess police brutality only occurs in America.

I never said that but it's a lot worse there than it should be. It's funny you can say "Fuck cops", that's fine but something like "Fuck American cops". Nonono, too far! Come on.

[Riggs]

Rather not watch, horrible. I remember his dad crying in some interview, made me tear up. Fuck these cops.

And to all of you people who are most likely in your early twenties, thinking all cops are like this. You are just mis informed.

This guy's dad was a fucking cop for gods sake.

THERE ARE A LOT OF BAD COPS OUT THERE.

And I am sure there are a lot of good ones to.

Can we at least agree on that?

[KHarvey16]

I never said that but it's a lot worse there than it should be.

Can you quantify how bad it is? How bad it should be? Is it better or worse than 5 years ago? 10? 20?

[hitsugi]

man fuck them. that guy's suffering was hard to listen to

I've only listened to it.. A while back when this whole thing got cracked open they played sound on the news/radio. Don't think I could handle the video. It's really heartbreaking

[Black-Box]

humans should never be giving power, that is the only way these would ever stop.

isn't it like 9 out of 10 people abuse their power?

[remnant]

I never said that but it's a lot worse there than it should be. It's funny you can say "Fuck cops", that's fine but something like "Fuck American cops". Nonono, too far! Come on.

Where's the data? Do you have any proof except sensationalist stories?

And you are the one singling out American cops, not me.

[Darklord]

Can you quantify how bad it is? How bad it should be? Is it better or worse than 5 years ago? 10? 20?

Well considering the number of brutal attacks and abuse of power that happen on tape, let alone NOT filmed is crazy. Doesn't matter what it was like 5 or 10 years ago, it's unacceptable TODAY. It's like you are desensitized. Oh well, just a woman getting gunned down because she rolled her window up. Just a disabled guy getting beaten. Just a homeless man dead. Just a blatant racial murder. Any ONE of those would send people into a frenzy here and wanting investigations into the police, the officers who did it, gun restrictions, this, that, something. Over there it's just another day of cops doing bad things.

[KHarvey16]

Well considering the number of brutal attacks and abuse of power that happen on tape, let alone NOT filmed is crazy. Doesn't matter what it was like 5 or 10 years ago, it's unacceptable TODAY.

Did you miss the questions I asked?

[siddx]

humans should never be giving power, that is the only way these would ever stop. isn't it like 9 out of 10 people abuse their power?

Human's aren't given power. It simply exists because of our very nature, and certain groups take control of it. If you remove a group of people from power, that power still exists, it just transfers to someone else. And if you removed the power for the police the likely receivers of that position of power would be the criminals who no longer have accountability. Things would be much much worse in that case.

[Darklord]

Where's the data? Do you have any proof except sensationalist stories? And you are the one singling out American cops, not me.

Edit: You know what? Forget it. I can't be bothered getting into a debate over this. If you want to think there's nothing wrong or American police are just as normal as other countries then go ahead. I'll let you know the next time a bunch of cops kill someone here in cold blood and get off free.

Also, i'm not sure why anyone is defending Darklord, Just more USA bashing since it is fashionable by non-americans. They use every opportunity to bash us.

Yeah, sorry for having an opinion other than "America can do no wrong", How dare I? i mean no one ever has had anything to say bad about American police. You know, except those tens of thousands of Americans who say "fuck the police".

[EvilDick34]

I wish these cops would get the shit beaten out of them for punishment and then jailed.

Also, i'm not sure why anyone is defending Darklord, Just more USA bashing since it is fashionable by non-americans. They use every opportunity to bash us.

[EvilDick34]

Edit: You know what? Forget it. I can't be bothered getting into a debate over this. If you want to think there's nothing wrong or American police are just as normal as other countries then go ahead. I'll let you know the next time a bunch of cops kill someone here in cold blood and get off free.

Where is here exactly Darklord? I bet your country is pristine unlike us eh? No skeletons in your countries closet at all because you are a perfect society.

[Darklord]

Where is here exactly Darklord? I bet your country is pristine unlike us eh? No skeletons in your countries closet at all because you are a perfect society.

Australia. And yeah, we have dickhead cops, power abusers. Of course. Any police in the world does. I NEVER said "uh america fuckin sucks and fucked up". I'm saying there obviously has to be change in how the police are done there. Less emphasis on pulling out a taser or gun at a whim, more focus on holding these arse holes accountable. If they keep getting protected and let go then no one learns and all the other cops like them will think they can get away too. Start being tough as hell on cases like these, throw the book at them and maybe others will think twice before killing an innocent person.

[remnant]

Edit: You know what? Forget it. I can't be bothered getting into a debate over this. If you want to think there's nothing wrong or American police are just as normal as other countries then go ahead. I'll let you know the next time a bunch of cops kill someone here in cold blood and get off free.

I never said that nothing is wrong with American police. in fact I said the exact opposite. I take offense to your bullshit insult to thousands of people with no facts or evidence backing you up.

You wanted the easy way out. Run in, make light of a serious problem in my country by generalizing thousands of good people and turning this into some "America" thing when it's not. When asked for basic facts you skirt around the issue.

Yeah, sorry for having an opinion other than "America can do no wrong", How dare I? i mean no one ever has had anything to say bad about American police. You know, except those tens of thousands of Americans who say "fuck the police".

Becuase fuck the police is unique to America. newsflash there are millions of people who don't say "fuck the police" and still want to see real reform.

[Darklord]

I never said that nothing is wrong with American police. in fact I said the exact opposite. I take offense to your bullshit insult to thousands of people with no facts or evidence backing you up. You wanted the easy way out. Run in, make light of a serious problem in my country by generalizing thousands of good people and turning this into some "America" thing when it's not. When asked for basic facts you skirt around the issue.

Problem occurring in America but I'm not allowed to say it's an American problem? And I never made light of it, nor did I say it was all of them. I said it was ENOUGH and that shit needs reforming.

[Tideas]

Most police are akin to vicious animals with a misguided sense of authority over man. I don't know whether it's a case of psychopaths being drawn to the profession or if it's that any human, given authority and power, is bound to abuse it.

most? really? i mean. REALLY?

[Zeke]

So it's been 20 years since Rodney King, and police haven't learned shit.

why learn when the brotherhood in blue covers their asses