[ivysaur12]

Please do no respond with "LOL NC WHAT DID U EXPECT". That doesn't help any discussion.

https://twitter.com/#!/AP/status/200029629191426048

@AP BREAKING: NC voters approve constitutional amendment defining marriage as union between a man and woman

[DiscoShark]

It goes further than that. Quoting ballotpedia**

The measure would define marriage in the state constitution as between one man and one woman, and would ban any other type of "domestic legal union" such as civil unions and domestic partnerships

So yeah, smh NC. At least I can say I got out and voted despite a bit of a personal hangup during the process.

[ivysaur12]

It goes further than that. Quoting the amendment itself. So yeah, smh NC. At least I can say I got out and voted despite a bit of a personal hangup during the process.

Threat titles can only be so long.

[xxracerxx]

How utterly backwards can people be sometimes?

[Wilsongt]

Congrats on your bigotry, NC!

My faith in humanity is abysmal.

[Baconsammy]

I'll cut them some slack. They helped Obama win and elected a female democrat for governor.

[okno]

This is truly disgusting. This country is moving backwards in some astounding ways.

[alr1ght]

It wasn't even close ~60/40

[Vilix]

I'll cut them some slack. They helped Obama win and elected a female democrat for governor.

Won't be making that mistake again, will they. ;)

[Seguin]

This is truly disgusting. This country is moving backwards in some astounding ways.

Well, not really moving backwards since it was never legal in North Carolina. More like staying in place.

[Baconsammy]

It wasn't even close ~60/40

60-40 in a bible-belt state? That's pretty damn close.

Won't be making that mistake again, will they. ;)

Part of that was a huge student voting block (young voters). He's lost that this time around, so who knows.

[Battersea Power Station]

Recently came back from my first trip to the outer banks. It was beautiful, and what I saw of the mainland was as well. I won't be going back though, and I'm sorry if any of my dollars went to support the state or these sorry little creatures that voted this in.

[Funky Papa]

and would ban any other type of "domestic legal union" such as civil unions and domestic partnerships

This is, like, four steps backwards.

What the fuck.

[speculawyer]

I think pretty much every similar ballot initiative has failed.

But they are getting to be close to 50/50 . . . I think they might start passing in states that are pretty blue.

But really, "LOL NC WHAT DID U EXPECT" is an annoying but relatively accurate summary.

[Wilsongt]

Well, not really moving backwards since it was never legal in North Carolina. More like staying in place.

Staying in place is doing nothing. Moving backwards is specially putting it into writing in their constitution.

[Unregistered007]

Wait I am not an American, so they approved Gay marriage and then taking it back?

[bistromathics]

I'll cut them some slack. They helped Obama win and elected a female democrat for governor.

She ain't getting another term

[TheWesker]

Wait I am not an American, so they approved Gay marriage and then taking it back?

Never approved it.

[Wilsongt]

Wait I am not an American, so they approved Gay marriage and then taking it back?

That's California. Not North Carolina.

[commedieu]

No shit huh? Well. They are the representatives of the voters. Marriage is one thing, but getting rid of unions is just hateful.

[Baconsammy]

She ain't getting another term

Doesn't change the fact that she got elected. Being a shitty gov. isn't the way to go about getting re-elected. But that's true for anyone.

[Narcosis]

This is why rights for a minority group should never be decided on a majority vote. This amendment is absolutely disgraceful.

[NathanMcMahon]

Pretty sad...

[Bree]

She ain't getting another term

More like she doesn't even want to run. /shame.


Anyway, I voted against it. I expected it to pass. So disappointed in NC. So very disappointed.

[ivysaur12]

No shit huh? Well. They are the representatives of the voters. Marriage is one thing, but getting rid of unions is just hateful.

How is that any different?

[richiek]

I would have thought NC would be more progressive with the population in the Research Triangle, but I guess I was wrong. SMH.

[ivysaur12]

If you voted for Amendment 1, you're a fucking asshole. If you voted against it, but vote liberal and didn't vote in the midterms, you're part of the problem and should really feel like crap right now.

[DiscoShark]

Threat titles can only be so long.

Oh gah, yeah, only read the first part of the title and went for the meat of the thread. Still though, I'm really surprised that the legislation went so far as to ban civil unions and domestic partnerships for same sex couples. All of this despite the fact that gay marriage has already been defined as illegal within NC law, this extra layer of nonsense is just going to make it harder to repeal all of this in the coming years.

Talk radio was flooded with shit like this day before election as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPY5mZt6aL8 (obviously in audio form)

Maybe in the next 5-8 years we'll see a public shift warranting a revisit to this amendment, but changing the minds of a bible belt state on a hot button issue like gay marriage may be a lost cause for the forseeable future, especially with the lead they had with this amendment.

Here's some interesting polling information btw.

A March 15-19, 2009 poll by Elon University Poll revealed that 43% support an amendment on same-sex marriage, while 50% are opposed and 5% are undecided. A total of 620 registered voters were polled.

And a couple years later ...

A February 20-24, 2011 poll by Elon University Poll revealed that 38% support an amendment, while 56% are opposed and 5% are undecided. A total of 467 registered voters were polled.

So from here by all intents and purposes it looks like momentum was shifting towards people not supporting this amendment. All was good and fine ... but then something happened.

A September 30-October 3, 2011 poll by Public Policy Polling revealed that 61% support an amendment to establish marriage between one man and one woman, while 34% are opposed. A total of 760 registered voters were polled. The margin of error was +/-3.6%

An April 27-29, 2012 poll by Public Policy Polling revealed that 55% would vote for the amendment, while 41% would vote against it, and 4% are undecided. A total of 982 likely primary voters were polled. The margin of error was +/-3.1%

Wtf happened?

[MWS Natural]

Examples of Natural's Law Incoming.

[bistromathics]

This is why rights for a minority group should never be decided on a majority vote. This amendment is absolutely disgraceful.

How do you suggest it be decided? This is still a democracy, not a gay authoriatarian state

[Dartastic]

Fucking rednecks.

[Empowe]

In this day and age, as well.

Wow. Definately a step backwards, as has already been said.

What gives them the right to vote against people's happiness?

[ivysaur12]

Oh gah, yeah, only read the first part of the title and went for the meat of the thread. Still though, I'm really surprised that the legislation went so far as to ban civil unions and domestic partnerships for same sex couples. All of this despite the fact that gay marriage has already been defined as illegal within NC law, this extra layer of nonsense is just going to make it harder to repeal all of this in the coming years. Talk radio was flooded with shit like this day before election as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPY5mZt6aL8 (obviously in audio form) Maybe in the next 5-8 years we'll see a public shift warranting a revisit to this amendment, but changing the minds of a bible belt state on a hot button issue like gay marriage may be a lost cause for the forseeable future, especially with the lead they had with this amendment. Here's some interesting polling information btw. And a few years later ... Wtf happened?

Elon's question was not on the amendment, but on its contents. North Carolina's support civil unions at about 55-60%. The problem is the anti-Amendment 1 side didn't really get the message across that THIS ALSO BANS CIVIL UNIONS AND BASIC RIGHTS AND THINGS PEOPLE LIKE.

[FnordChan]

I'm wearing my little "I Voted" sticker and am shaking my head sadly. If anyone wants to see what counties of North Carolina are part of the 21st century, WRAL has amendment voting broken down by county.

I'm looking forward to the confused backlash from people who later realized they voted themselves out of domestic partnerships and civil unions without realizing exactly what they were doing.

FnordChan

[Natiko]

This is just shameful. It never ceases to amaze me how ignorant a lot of the people here in the US are.

[Quadraphonic]

From what I can read online, it's God. God told them to do this. Because God made the constitution for their state.

[Wilsongt]

Elon's question was not on the amendment, but on its contents. North Carolina's support civil unions at about 55-60%. The problem is the anti-Amendment 1 side didn't really get the message across that THIS ALSO BANS CIVIL UNIONS AND BASIC RIGHTS AND THINGS PEOPLE LIKE.

So, does the amendment prevent the hospital visitations by partners too, or is my understanding wrong?

[Atramental]

Looks like the religious fucktards won this round.

[NathanMcMahon]

How do you suggest it be decided? This is still a democracy, not a gay authoriatarian state

you should probably stop while you only appear slightly misinformed and bigoted...

[Matt]

How do you suggest it be decided? This is still a democracy, not a gay authoriatarian state

It's a Republic. Basic rights shouldn't be voted on in our system, they are guaranteed.

[Baconsammy]

Fucking rednecks.

Yeah, the same rednecks that elected a black president.

[i_am_not_jon_ames]

How do you suggest it be decided? This is still a democracy, not a gay authoriatarian state

wow. are you kidding me?

[speculawyer]

How is that any different?

One is "My god does not allow me to approve of homosexual marriage . . . buy you can have a civil union" and the other is "Fuck you, homo!"

[Wilsongt]

It's a Republic. Basic rights shouldn't be voted on in our system, they are guaranteed*.

*Unless your gay, according to some people.

[The Technomancer]

How do you suggest it be decided? This is still a democracy, not a gay authoriatarian state

This is a pitch perfect example of why direct democracy is a bad idea from a human rights perspective, its what's referred to as the "tyranny of the majority" in which minority groups are denied basic egalitarian treatment because of majority prejudices.

[Kastrioti]

Give it 10-20 years, fellas. Shit will change, it's inevitable.

As for today, yeah it sucks ass.

[Baconsammy]

I would have thought NC would be more progressive with the population in the Research Triangle, but I guess I was wrong. SMH.

The inhabitants of RTP can still only vote once. The counties where they live voted against it. What more did you want them to do?

[bistromathics]

you should probably stop while you only appear slightly misinformed and bigoted...

K, stopping now

Edit: bigoted how? I was saying that I'd vote no if I could. I just don't see how this applies only to NC over other states

[Buckethead]

Very disappointing. All people deserve equal rights and love and support.

[ivysaur12]

So, does the amendment prevent the hospital visitations by partners too, or is my understanding wrong?

Depends. The federal government recommends to all hospitals to allow gay partners visitation rights, but those don't actually have to be honored.