[Alligatorjandro]

I wonder how a vote like this would go in Florida.

[FLEABttn]

Yeah, the same rednecks that elected a black president.

Which totally excuses their ignorance!

It's cool guys, Baconsammy says to move on.

[Air]

That sucks, but hopefully will get turned over one day (or maybe becomes federal law).

[Matthew Gallant]

Not everyone who is religious voted for this, but everyone who voted for this is religious.

[speculawyer]

I wonder how a vote like this would go in Florida.

Probably pretty much the same. Maybe a smaller margin between the sides.

[S.Dedalus]

All the people on facebook who are happy about this... ugh, it's disgusting. I voted against it with an absentee ballot, but my county ended up overwhelmingly in favor.

I'm ashamed. And mad.

[Cheerwine]

All three of the big counties voted against it, with Durham at 75/25 against and Orange 80/20 against. The rural/urban political and demographic split in NC isn't like Washington State or Illinois, where one or two large heavily-leaning liberal urban areas can counterbalance the rest of the state.

Yep. All but one of the major cities in the state voted against the amendment -- Asheville (Buncombe), Charlotte (Mecklenburg), RTP (Wake/Orange), Greensboro (Guilford), Boone (Watauga), Wilmington (New Hanover). Unfortunately, the cities just aren't big enough.

The only one that didn't appears to be Winston-Salem (Forsyth).

Blue NC in 2008 was an oddity, a product of a non-Southern GOP candidate, terrible economic conditions (that have hardly improved since then), and strong core Democratic enthusiasm. Thankfully for Obama, much of that is in still in place for 2012 and he should be able to keep it competitive here again.

I hope you're right! And hosting the Democratic National Convention here doesn't hurt either.

[kingocfs]

What year is this?

[Archer]

For the record, not all people from North Carolina are bigots.

The rest of the free world will be angry at North Carolina tonight. But let's honor the many people there who voted AGAINST an act of hatred.

[Baconsammy]

Which totally excuses their ignorance! It's cool guys, Baconsammy says to move on.

Alright genius, fill us in on the voting breakdown. How many of the people that voted for it are "rednecks"? Or is it your assertion that anyone who votes for it is a redneck? And I didn't say move on. I pointed out that it's idiotic to label a state "redneck" because of the result of one vote. Man I guess California was full of rednecks too, eh?

[speculawyer]

Not everyone who is religious voted for this, but everyone who voted for this is religious.

Interesting assertion. It certainly can't be literally true as there are always odd outliers. But it would be interesting to know the voting record of the nonreligious on this. I'd suspect like 97% against but a few "Eewww gays" people voting for it. Of course it depends on how you define 'nonreligious'.

[FLEABttn]

Alright genius, fill us in on the voting breakdown. How many of the people that voted for it are "rednecks"? Or is it your assertion that anyone who votes for it is a redneck? And I didn't say move on. I pointed out that it's idiotic to label a state "redneck" because of the result of one vote. Man I guess California was full of rednecks too, eh?

When they vote in the way they did, it kind of does.

[Yo Gotti]

Good ol' American democratic freedom in action.

Gay equality is apparently about as important to the government as legal marijuana.

[duderon]

Only 46% of people voting realized Amendment One banned civil unions for same sex partners. Most people had no idea what they were voting for.

[DY_nasty]

When they vote in the way they did, it kind of does.

Not really.

Just goes to show who's uninformed and what the climate was like.

The civil union thing should scream "duh" to everyone.

Only 46% of people voting realized Amendment One banned civil unions for same sex partners. Most people had no idea what they were voting for.

Pretty much.

[Baconsammy]

When they vote in the way they did, it kind of does.

No, it kinda doesn't. Unless we're completely redefining "redneck", which we're not. Blanket statements like that are just pure laziness.

Only 46% of people voting realized Amendment One banned civil unions for same sex partners. Most people had no idea what they were voting for.

Combining both of those things on one vote is fucked-up beyond belief.

[FLEABttn]

Only 46% of people voting realized Amendment One banned civil unions for same sex partners. Most people had no idea what they were voting for.

How does that even work?

No, it kinda doesn't. Unless we're completely redefining "redneck", which we're not. Blanket statements like that are just pure laziness.

So, then rednecks are southerners who vote ignorantly?

Making what just happened the fault of rednecks?

[Souldriver]

*looks at watch*

Nope, this is not 1954. Huh...

[Narcosis]

Of course it depends on how you define 'nonreligious'.

Religion implies an observance of practices, not just a belief in the deity. So in that sense there were many "non-religious" who voted for this amendment by simple fact that there are many believers who don't actively participate in faith activities or institutions but who still hold onto many of the beliefs and ideas.

[duderon]

How does that even work? So, then rednecks are southerners who vote ignorantly? Making what just happened the fault of rednecks?

The representatives that created the amendment worded it so the amendment would confuse the electorate, and they succeeded. That was the only way it was guaranteed to pass.

[Baconsammy]

How does that even work? So, then rednecks are southerners who vote ignorantly? Making what just happened the fault of rednecks?

More lazy blanket statements. Advertising for the amendment focused specifically on banning same-sex marriage. The part about it also outlawing civil unions wasn't played up at all. But I guess according to you people that voted against it that thought they were only voting against banning gay-marriage are rednecks too.

And speaking of ignorant, you just called North Carolina a southern state. They're a mid-atlantic state.

[FLEABttn]

More lazy blanket statements. Advertising for the amendment focused specifically on banning same-sex marriage. The part about it also outlawing civil unions wasn't played up at all. But I guess according to you people that voted against it that thought they were only voting against banning gay-marriage are rednecks too.

If they couldn't be bothered to understand what they were voting for, yeah.

And speaking of ignorant, you just called North Carolina a southern state. They're a mid-atlantic state.

South of the Mason-Dixon line, yo.

[thecouncil]

The representatives that created the amendment worded it so the amendment would confuse the electorate, and they succeeded. That was the only way it was guaranteed to pass.

alright, so... does anyone have the exact wording here? i want to see what the voters were dealing with.

[BertramCooper]

Progress never moves as swiftly as you'd like it to.

[Baconsammy]

Forget it, not worth it. Someone that labels anyone who votes a certain way a "redneck" isn't someone worth engaging about anything.

[FLEABttn]

So does being wrong about it make you a redneck?

It's a southern state. South of the Mason-Dixon line. Part of the Confederate States of America. Redefining North Carolina as anything but the south is being wrong.

[DominoKid]

as a north carolinian, i am absolutely, totally shocked.

[Cheerwine]

That sucks, but hopefully will get turned over one day (or maybe becomes federal law).

Interestingly, there was quite the hullabaloo about a month ago when the NC Speaker of the House, one of the key republican lawmakers responsible for getting the ban on the ballot, predicted the ban will be repealed within the next 20 years.

[Strike]

[littleworm]

alright, so... does anyone have the exact wording here? i want to see what the voters were dealing with.

Constitutional amendment to provide that marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State.

From Ballotpedia

Shame that this happened, but we were handed a short deck, this coming on a Primary ballot as opposed to the same time as the general election didn't help.

[Ziltoid]

The measure would define marriage in the state constitution as between one man and one woman, and would ban any other type of "domestic legal union" such as civil unions and domestic partnerships

Why can't I hold all of these facepalms?

[SapientWolf]

Examples of Natural's Law Incoming.

Natural's Law is part of why this type of thing is so scary. A lot of great people gave their lives for civil rights in America and now they're sliding backwards in the South. If it's okay to discriminate against one group then it's not a big step to discriminate against others.

I don't see how this law could be constitutional.

[Timedog]

Anyone who voted for this is a bigoted piece of shit, regardless of their rationalization for doing so.

[Valkyr Junkie]

I wonder how a vote like this would go in Florida.

Where we're you in 2008?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Amendment_2

[JoeBoy101]

Sorry GAF. Both me and the missus voted against it, but we were too few.

[Morts]

Can someone clarify how this jeopardizes domestic violence protection for women? I'm guessing it's because different-sex domestic partnerships are no longer recognized, but I'm not clear on what mechanisms are in place to "protect" married women versus unmarried ones.

[speculawyer]

Sorry GAF. Both me and the missus voted against it, but we were too few.

It still helps. It keeps the trendline moving in the right direction.

[FLEABttn]

Sorry GAF. Both me and the missus voted against it, but we were too few.

Thanks for trying. You're good people JoeBoy.

[Jtrizzy]

Can't say I'm surprised. They were getting entirely too progressive lately.

I'm sure a lot of this is Obama backlash.

[Air]

Interestingly, there was quite the hullabaloo about a month ago when the NC Speaker of the House, one of the key republican lawmakers responsible for getting the ban on the ballot, predicted the ban will be repealed within the next 20 years.

It'll get turned over one day.

[(._.)]

it's all the churches that came together and told their congregations to vote for this. I'm just sick of how everybody is a sheep.

[Ziltoid]

Anyone who voted for this is a bigoted piece of shit, regardless of their rationalization for doing so.

I have a theory that no matter what rationalizations they use, it all boggles down to: "Men taking it in the ass from other men? EWW!"

In other words, they're a bunch of children. Unfortunately they're also children with political power.

[Sir Garbageman]

My new favorite quote, seems more fitting with every day:

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
― Isaac Asimov

[NullPointer]

I have a theory that no matter what rationalizations they use, it all boggles down to: "Men taking it in the ass from other men? EWW!"

I figure it goes something like this:

1. Gays are gross.
2. When something is legal that means the government/people is specifically advocating for it.
3. It'll piss off the liberals.

And that's without even bringing religion into it.

Progress never moves as swiftly as you'd like it to.

So true, but that's probably for the best.

They'll lose in the end.

Undoubtedly.

[AlexMogil]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPY5mZt6aL8

Hyuck hyuck

[blainethemono]

it's all the churches that came together and told their congregations to vote for this. I'm just sick of how everybody is a sheep.

There was actually a church pretty close to my house that held a rally against it yesterday

[soco]

maybe useful to post this as someone shared with me today:


gay rights in the US by state

[Calcaneus]

They'll lose in the end.

[Banana Kid]

I have a theory that no matter what rationalizations they use, it all boggles down to: "Men taking it in the ass from other men? EWW!"

Don't forget "I'm attracted to men but my upbringing taught me that's wrong, so I'm gonna go into denial and overcompensate by HATING ALL GAYS"

[cr_blah_blah]

I have a theory that no matter what rationalizations they use, it all boggles down to: "Men taking it in the ass from other men? EWW!" In other words, they're a bunch of children. Unfortunately they're also children with political power.

"If it's 2 girls though SIGN ME UP!". Those guys are even worst.