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thecouncil · (05-09-2012, 02:49 AM)

Originally Posted by duderon:

Only 46% of people voting realized Amendment One banned civil unions for same sex partners. Most people had no idea what they were voting for.

Originally Posted by littleworm:

From Ballotpedia

Quote:

Constitutional amendment to provide that marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State.

that seems pretty straightforward actually. so what was the other 54% confused about?

Arment · 02:52 AM

I live near Charlotte and every unmarried mom I know is throwing a shit storm right now on Facebook.

There's a woman on Facebook who is happy about it because of the gay marriage bit. People are trying to explain to her that it effects things more than that but she continues to defend it. Turns out once she finally gets it, she admits she's in a domestic partnership and her insurance and her baby's is through her partner. Still happy it passed. Gay marriage was illegal before this. She gained nothing and lost important shit. Some people...

NFreak · (05-09-2012, 02:52 AM)

I'm not proud to be a resident of NC right now..... although, it's not exactly surprising the amendment was passed. It is NC after all.

Dude Abides · (05-09-2012, 02:53 AM)

The good side is usually going to lose on this, except when it's on the ballot at the same time as a president. In a primary or off-year election, the bigots are going to have the numbers.

unomas · (05-09-2012, 02:56 AM)

Good for North Carolina, they voted and it wasn't even close. GAF doesn't resemble anything remotely close to the views of the United States in general. States should be comfortable in giving their people the right to vote on issues like this. End of story, all the bigotry comments are very typical of the reaction that would be expected in this forum.

LeadProtagonist · (05-09-2012, 02:56 AM)

It is kinda weird how the people I associate myself with and the places I frequent are for the most part so like-minded that sometimes I fail to realize just how different the world can be.

I just don't understand how this much hatred and bigotry can exist.

ElectricBlanketFire · (05-09-2012, 02:56 AM)

Originally Posted by ivysaur12:

Please do no respond with "LOL NC WHAT DID U EXPECT". That doesn't help any discussion.

Originally Posted by NFreak:

I'm not proud to be a resident of NC right now..... although, it's not exactly surprising the amendment was passed. It is NC after all.

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Arment · (05-09-2012, 02:56 AM)

Originally Posted by unomas:

Good for North Carolina, they voted and it wasn't even close. GAF doesn't resemble anything remotely close to the views of the United States in general. States should be comfortable in giving their people the right to vote on issues like this. End of story.

Majority vote for minority rights. Makes sense right?

NullPointer · (05-09-2012, 02:57 AM)

Originally Posted by unomas:

Good for North Carolina, they voted and it wasn't even close. GAF doesn't resemble anything remotely close to the views of the United States in general. States should be comfortable in giving their people the right to vote on issues like this. End of story.

I don't think so.

littleworm · (05-09-2012, 02:57 AM)

Guilford county, (my home county) passed this by 68 fucking votes :(.

thecouncil · (05-09-2012, 02:58 AM)

Originally Posted by unomas:

Good for North Carolina, they voted and it wasn't even close. States should be comfortable in giving their people the right to vote on issues like this. End of story.

voting to suppress the rights of others? uhhh, yeah... yeah, sure.

key · (05-09-2012, 02:58 AM)

I'm a Christian, and I'll be honest and say I'm not really sure how much control the government should have over gay marriage. But I will say that some of the replies in this thread are just pitiful. It's possible to discuss an issue without attacking your opponents and labeling them "stupid rednecks".

ivysaur12 · (05-09-2012, 02:59 AM)

Originally Posted by unomas:

Good for North Carolina, they voted and it wasn't even close. GAF doesn't resemble anything remotely close to the views of the United States in general. States should be comfortable in giving their people the right to vote on issues like this. End of story.

We should vote to see if women should have the right to work outside of the kitchen.

We should vote to see if interracial couples should be allowed to get married.

We should vote to see if Native Americans should be allowed to be considered American citizens.

We should vote to see if black children should be allowed to be taught in the same school as white children.

Minority rights should never be voted on by a majority. That's why we have the Bill of Rights in the first place.

Please explain your opinions. I look forward to them being torn asunder even further.

Originally Posted by key:

I'm a Christian, and I'll be honest and say I'm not really sure how much control the government should have over gay marriage. But I will say that some of the replies in this thread are just pitiful. It's possible to discuss an issue without attacking your opponents and labeling them "stupid rednecks".

Considering a lying, deceitful, and hateful majority just decided to shit all over a minority group for no logical purpose, there is a reason for anger. People don't need to be tolerant of those who take actions to harm others.

unomas · (05-09-2012, 03:00 AM)

Originally Posted by thecouncil:

voting to suppress the rights of others? uhhh, yeah... yeah, sure.

It passed didn't it? Guess your view isn't the majority.

Mammoth Jones · (05-09-2012, 03:00 AM)

Civil Rights shouldn't be up for a vote. The American public has ALWAYS had to be dragged, kicking and screaming into modernity.

It had to with women's suffrage, slavery, voting, workers rights...etc.

In the end the world didn't stop spinning. And life will go on if two men or two women take their vows and have benefits.

Robobandit · (05-09-2012, 03:00 AM)

Originally Posted by Valkyr Junkie:

Where we're you in 2008?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Amendment_2

Yep.. already happened in Florida.

I voted against it.. and encouraged my parents to do the same.. they didn't realize that it took away civil unions and civil rights from homosexuals.. as it was being framed as the 'defense of marriage' and 'saving florida's families'..

The proponents of these hateful laws frame them in such a way that they'll secure a number of votes from people who mean well but don't know exactly what they're voting on.

I find little comfort in telling myself that most people aren't hateful enough to knowingly take away the rights of other people.. they're just too ignorant to realize that this is what they are doing.

ivysaur12 · (05-09-2012, 03:01 AM)

Originally Posted by unomas:

It passed didn't it? Guess your view isn't the majority.

One time, my home state voted that interracial couples shouldn't be allowed to be married. Guess the majority was right on that one.

Alligatorjandro · (05-09-2012, 03:02 AM)

Originally Posted by Valkyr Junkie:

Where we're you in 2008?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Amendment_2

I forgot about that

unomas · (05-09-2012, 03:02 AM)

Originally Posted by ivysaur12:

We should vote to see if women should have the right to work outside of the kitchen.

We should vote to see if interracial couples should be allowed to get married.

We should vote to see if Native Americans should be allowed to be considered American citizens.

We should vote to see if black children should be allowed to be taught in the same school as white children.

Minority rights should never be voted on by a majority. That's why we have the Bill of Rights in the first place.

Please explain your opinions. I look forward to them being torn asunder even further.

Considering a lying, deceitful, and hateful majority just decided to shit all over a minority group for no logical purpose, there is a reason for anger. People don't need to be tolerant of those who take actions to harm others.

Yes, because all of those overblown reactions are the same as a vast majority voting against gay marriage. Easy to be a loudmouth on the internet behind a computer screen, go spout your views off in public in North Carolina and see where it gets you. The state voted, it was unanimous, typical liberal GAF freak out time.

NullPointer · 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by ivysaur12:

People don't need to be tolerant of those who take actions to harm others.

In a democracy you kind of do, if you want to shift the electorate. Did people honestly think that none of these amendment efforts would pass? That society would change so quickly when tested?

This just means there is more work to do.

Originally Posted by unomas:

The state voted, it was unanimous, typical liberal GAF freak out time.

You just lost me.

Big Ass Ramp · (05-09-2012, 03:03 AM)

what happened to you, conservatism? look at what you've become.

Marius_ · (05-09-2012, 03:03 AM)

Originally Posted by unomas:

It passed didn't it? Guess your view isn't the majority.

Tyranny of the majority

SapientWolf · (05-09-2012, 03:03 AM)

Originally Posted by unomas:

Good for North Carolina, they voted and it wasn't even close. GAF doesn't resemble anything remotely close to the views of the United States in general. States should be comfortable in giving their people the right to vote on issues like this. End of story, all the bigotry comments are very typical of the reaction that would be expected in this forum.

Please explain why this would be good for North Carolina, or any other state for that matter. Also, do you feel that the comments about bigotry are unfounded? If so, then why?

duderon · (05-09-2012, 03:03 AM)

Originally Posted by thecouncil:

that seems pretty straightforward actually. so what was the other 54% confused about?

I'm thinking that most people read "marriage between one man and one woman" and that's all that was processed. Not only that, I would guess that many people didn't even read the amendment, just voted for.

unomas · (05-09-2012, 03:03 AM)

Originally Posted by ivysaur12:

One time, my home state voted that interracial couples shouldn't be allowed to be married. Guess the majority was right on that one.

Race and sex preference aren't the same thing, but the fact that you want to associate them as such shows how delusional you are. Go yell at the people of North Carolina for how cruel they are, I don't think they care. Enjoy!

Arment · (05-09-2012, 03:03 AM)

Originally Posted by unomas:

Yes, because all of those overblown reactions are the same as a vast majority voting against gay marriage. Easy to be a loudmouth on the internet behind a computer screen, go spout your views off in public in North Carolina and see where it gets you. The state voted, it was unanimous, typical liberal GAF freak out time.

Funny you mention, because when I took my grandmother to vote she told the tea party electioneers out in front of the church to keep their hate mongering literature to themselves. They didn't say shit.

Mammoth Jones · (05-09-2012, 03:04 AM)

Originally Posted by ivysaur12:

We should vote to see if women should have the right to work outside of the kitchen.

We should vote to see if interracial couples should be allowed to get married.

We should vote to see if Native Americans should be allowed to be considered American citizens.

We should vote to see if black children should be allowed to be taught in the same school as white children.

Minority rights should never be voted on by a majority. That's why we have the Bill of Rights in the first place.

Please explain your opinions. I look forward to them being torn asunder even further.

Considering a lying, deceitful, and hateful majority just decided to shit all over a minority group for no logical purpose, there is a reason for anger. People don't need to be tolerant of those who take actions to harm others.

This. People need to wake the fuck up. The USA would be a MUCH different place if 200+ years of social progress were put up to a state by state vote.

To me it's not a matter of "approving/disapproving of" gay marriage or not. It's about rights. Period.

Escape Goat · (05-09-2012, 03:04 AM)

This will not end well for unomas.

ivysaur12 · (05-09-2012, 03:04 AM)

Originally Posted by unomas:

Yes, because all of those overblown reactions are the same as a vast majority voting against gay marriage. Easy to be a loudmouth on the internet behind a computer screen, go spout your views off in public in North Carolina and see where it gets you. The state voted, it was unanimous, typical liberal GAF freak out time.

You didn't respond to anything that anyone has posted besides going "lol liberal".

The entire purpose of the Bill of Rights was to protect minority groups from majority rules. In fact, the "mob of the people" was one of the biggest threats that the Framers could agree upon to civil discourse within America. We also have, in the past, voted as a majority to uphold some truly abhorrent laws, laws that were discriminatory to minority groups without a voice. Just because someone is in the majority doesn't make them correct.

How about you go up to a gay couple and their kids and tell them they're second class citizens. Better yet, spit on them after you do it.

Originally Posted by unomas:

Race and sex preference aren't the same thing, but the fact that you want to associate them as such shows how delusional you are. Go yell at the people of North Carolina for how cruel they are, I don't think they care. Enjoy!

Both are inherent traits that people have no control over and cannot change. So, yes.

giga · (05-09-2012, 03:05 AM)

Originally Posted by unomas:

Good for North Carolina, they voted and it wasn't even close. GAF doesn't resemble anything remotely close to the views of the United States in general. States should be comfortable in giving their people the right to vote on issues like this. End of story, all the bigotry comments are very typical of the reaction that would be expected in this forum.

No, they fucking shouldn't. Civil rights should be protected from the majority.

unomas · (05-09-2012, 03:05 AM)

Originally Posted by SapientWolf:

Please explain why this would be good for North Carolina, or any other state for that matter. Also, do you feel that the comments about bigotry are unfounded? If so, then why?

I don't need to explain anything, I'm a minority, and obviously the people of North Carolina felt this was what they wanted. Overwhelmingly, unanimously, they decided against gay marriage. Some people don't want a completely liberal worldview like the minority here at GAF. Shocker!!!

Matthew Gallant · (05-09-2012, 03:05 AM)

Originally Posted by unomas:

Yes, because all of those overblown reactions are the same as a vast majority voting against gay marriage. Easy to be a loudmouth on the internet behind a computer screen, go spout your views off in public in North Carolina and see where it gets you. The state voted, it was unanimous, typical liberal GAF freak out time.

If you're such a big fan of majority rule, you should put your NeoGAF account up for a vote.

thecouncil · (05-09-2012, 03:06 AM)

Originally Posted by unomas:

Race and sex preference aren't the same thing, but the fact that you want to associate them as such shows how delusional you are. Go yell at the people of North Carolina for how cruel they are, I don't think they care. Enjoy!

keep going. youre absolutely fascinating.

id really like to know why you think gay people shouldn't have the same rights as you.
i REALLY would.

Escape Goat · (05-09-2012, 03:06 AM)

Originally Posted by unomas:

I don't need to explain anything, I'm a minority, and obviously the people of North Carolina felt this was what they wanted. Overwhelmingly, unanimously, they decided against gay marriage. Some people don't want a completely liberal worldview like the minority here at GAF. Shocker!!!

Hes got nothing, folks. best to just ignore him.

Arment · (05-09-2012, 03:07 AM)

Originally Posted by unomas:

I don't need to explain anything, I'm a minority, and obviously the people of North Carolina felt this was what they wanted. Overwhelmingly, unanimously, they decided against gay marriage. Some people don't want a completely liberal worldview like the minority here at GAF. Shocker!!!

In what way are you a minority?

CHEEZMO™ · (05-09-2012, 03:07 AM)

The people have spoken, GAF! Deal with it!

Fucking libs and not wanting people to be denied basic rights and equality.

duderon · (05-09-2012, 03:07 AM)

Originally Posted by unomas:

I don't need to explain anything, I'm a minority, and obviously the people of North Carolina felt this was what they wanted. Overwhelmingly, unanimously, they decided against gay marriage. Some people don't want a completely liberal worldview like the minority here at GAF. Shocker!!!

They decided against more than gay marriage. That's what we're discussing. Try to keep up.

ivysaur12 · (05-09-2012, 03:07 AM)

Originally Posted by unomas:

I don't need to explain anything, I'm a minority, and obviously the people of North Carolina felt this was what they wanted. Overwhelmingly, unanimously, they decided against gay marriage. Some people don't want a completely liberal worldview like the minority here at GAF. Shocker!!!

That word does not mean what you think it means.

You also haven't explained anything. In fact, you only look like a child screaming at a computer screen hidden behind a badly sized avatar.

Dude Abides · (05-09-2012, 03:07 AM)

Originally Posted by unomas:

I don't need to explain anything, I'm a minority, and obviously the people of North Carolina felt this was what they wanted. Overwhelmingly, unanimously, they decided against gay marriage. Some people don't want a completely liberal worldview like the minority here at GAF. Shocker!!!

I don't think you know what unanimous means.

More people in NC like gay marriage than like Ron Paul. Does that make you sad? I bet it does.

key · (05-09-2012, 03:07 AM)

Originally Posted by ivysaur12:

Considering a lying, deceitful, and hateful majority just decided to shit all over a minority group for no logical purpose, there is a reason for anger. People don't need to be tolerant of those who take actions to harm others.

I'm not saying that people shouldn't stand up for what they believe. All I'm saying is these topics can be debated without promoting the kind of hateful behavior that you're condemning in others.

thecouncil · (05-09-2012, 03:07 AM)

Originally Posted by duderon:

I'm thinking that most people read "marriage between one man and one woman" and that's all that was processed. Not only that, I would guess that many people didn't even read the amendment, just voted for.

probably true. how unfortunate.

unomas · (05-09-2012, 03:08 AM)

Originally Posted by ivysaur12:

You didn't respond to anything that anyone has posted besides going "lol liberal".

The entire purpose of the Bill of Rights was to protect minority groups from majority rules. In fact, the "mob of the people" was one of the biggest threats that the Framers could agree upon to civil discourse within America. We also have, in the past, voted as a majority to uphold some truly abhorrent laws, laws that were discriminatory to minority groups without a voice. Just because someone is in the majority doesn't make them correct.

How about you go up to a gay couple and their kids and tell them they're second class citizens. Better yet, spit on them after you do it.

I would never spit on another human being, not remotely close to a tasteful action.. But good luck with your agenda, and good luck with all the hate you carry inside for those you consider to lack tolerance for others. You're in the minority in North Carolina and probably the United States on this issue, the fact that you act so shocked by this is disturbing. Tough behind a keyboard, good for you.

Alligatorjandro · (05-09-2012, 03:08 AM)

I dont think any state would vote to approve gay marriage as much as we would hope.

Mammoth Jones · (05-09-2012, 03:08 AM)

Originally Posted by unomas:

Race and sex preference aren't the same thing, but the fact that you want to associate them as such shows how delusional you are. Go yell at the people of North Carolina for how cruel they are, I don't think they care. Enjoy!

Tell that to Mildred Loving:

“I believe all Americans, no matter their race, no matter their sex, no matter their sexual orientation, should have that same freedom to marry. Government has no business imposing some people’s religious beliefs over others. Especially if it denies people’s civil rights.”

She finished her statement by saying, “I am still not a political person, but I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness and the family that so many people, black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.” -Mildred Loving

NullPointer · (05-09-2012, 03:09 AM)

Originally Posted by Matthew Gallant:

If you're such a big fan of majority rule, you should put your NeoGAF account up for a vote.

Hehe. Nice.

ivysaur12 · (05-09-2012, 03:09 AM)

Originally Posted by key:

I'm not saying that people shouldn't stand up for what they believe. All I'm saying is these topics can be debated without promoting the kind of hateful behavior that you're condemning in others.

You make it seem like both sides are legitimate and have a zero-sum effect on each other. They don't.

unomas · (05-09-2012, 03:09 AM)

Originally Posted by Dude Abides:

I don't think you know what unanimous means.

More people in NC like gay marriage than like Ron Paul. Does that make you sad? I bet it does.

Attacks show you for what you are, it's as simple as that. Tolerance my rear end.

Fox318 · (05-09-2012, 03:09 AM)

Originally Posted by Matthew Gallant:

If you're such a big fan of majority rule, you should put your NeoGAF account up for a vote.

I agree.

squidyj · (05-09-2012, 03:09 AM)

Originally Posted by unomas:

Good for North Carolina, they voted and it wasn't even close. GAF doesn't resemble anything remotely close to the views of the United States in general. States should be comfortable in giving their people the right to vote on issues like this. End of story, all the bigotry comments are very typical of the reaction that would be expected in this forum.

Threads like this don't really start until posts like these.

Mammoth Jones · (05-09-2012, 03:09 AM)

Originally Posted by Alligatorjandro:

I dont think any state would vote to approve gay marriage as much as we would hope.

I mean, no state would vote for ANY forward moving social progress. Name ONE thing if left to a state vote at the time would have pass in all states.

Slavery? No.
Women voting? No.
Child labor laws? No.
Minimum Wage? No.
Minority voting rights? No.
Stopping violent intimidation of minorities? No.