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(05-09-2012, 02:38 AM)
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LTTP: Stargate Universe
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I've spent a good chunk of the past year working my way through the Stargate series. I watched SG-1 last summer, and got through Atlantis over the past few months and I just recently started watching Universe.
I like the show a lot but so far I still think I like SG-1 the best. I'm 3 episodes from finishing Season one and these are my impressions so far: -Rush is pretty much a complete douche with no redeeming qualities. -I like the use of the communicator stones. Brief reprieves from being stuck in the ship for the crew and bringing in people with skills that will help them is a great idea. -Holy cow these people have lots of sex. Part of it is the difference between Atlantis where Teyla got pregnant completely off camera and Rodney nearly proposed to a women he never touched but still. Even when in other peoples bodies via the stones they have sex. I almost expect an episode where one of them says "yeah uh I picked up a hooker while in your body, you have AIDS now. My bad" -So far I like what they have done with the Camille character. She's a lesbian and well just is, nothing extra is made of it at all. I guess we got a hint that her parents disapprove but that's it. -Eli getting friendzoned was brutal. -Lt Vanessa James got damn -Why is this one race of aliens modeled after Dr Nefarious? -Man Jack O'Neill is fat. I'm totally hooked right now. I've been getting through at least 3 episodes a day. I'll be finished before too long. What did you like and not like about the series? |
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not a medical professional
(05-09-2012, 02:43 AM)
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Whole thing was fantastic, and if you're going through Dr. Rush withdrawal when you finish the series, move on to "once upon a time" - he's fantastic in it.
SGU was hugely underrated and didn't have enough of a chance to shine.. I hope they get to do some form of continuation (comics, movie, new series) for some closure to the SGU storyline. |
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(05-09-2012, 02:46 AM)
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#4
I watched the first couple of episodes of Universe and it never seemed to really go anywhere, so I lost interest. Looking back, I wish I would have stuck with it -- if for no other reason than to help the Stargate franchise continue. It seems with Universe's failure, the proposed third SG-1 film and the follow-up film to Atlantis were also scrapped. It's a shame because Stargate pretty much became this generation's Star Trek as far as go-to science-fiction television entertainment.
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(05-09-2012, 02:51 AM)
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#5
It is a shame what happened to it, it was the only Stargate series my gf got into and to see the franchise get left on how it ended was lame after being a fan since the film and very first episode of SG-1.
As for Rush, I quite liked the character and of course the actor was great, he was an ass sure but he kept it going and was consistent. Thankfully the writers didn't do what a lot do with this sort of character and suddenly change his personality to become some sort of good guy with morals out of no where, he had his motives and stuck to them because that is how he saw the world. Pity it looks like we wont be getting any more Stargate any time soon, and if we do, it will probably be in the vein of a film reboot throwing out all of its history. |
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(05-09-2012, 05:52 AM)
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#10
Surprisingly, this became one of my favorite shows. If you had told me that a Stargate would be my favorite show, I would have laughed in your face.
Too bad the fans, from day one, decided to not watch it in some sort of weird revenge tactic for Atlantis. |
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(05-09-2012, 06:25 AM)
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#12
Get out of here with that "the fans killed it" stupidity. That sentence doesn't even make sense. SG:U set out to be different, it wasnt built like Atlantis (to piggy back on SG:SG1 fans). It was built as its own thing, and it failed to get an audience. Thats got nothing to do with SG:A or SG:SG1 fans. No fan owes them a view if they don't like the show.
Originally Posted by THE NO LIFE KING:
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We don't know why he keeps buying PAL, either.
(05-09-2012, 06:30 AM)
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#13
Originally Posted by Cipherr:
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(05-09-2012, 06:31 AM)
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#14
Originally Posted by Cipherr:
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I'm not as deluded as I make myself out to be
(05-09-2012, 12:41 PM)
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#15
Enjoyed it for what it was, but don't think I enjoyed it as much as SG1 or SGA, even if it may have been 'better', it just wasn't as fun and the characters as interesting.
I really liked the main cast members from the other stargate shows but in this one I barely like any of them, I actively dislike the commander who I resent because he's kind of presented as this inspirational leader with flaws but I didn't pick up on the inspirational bit at all. Just found him to be a poor commander. But I enjoyed another brief visit to the stargate universe, one of my favourite tv shows, and I don't like Star Trek. Its left quite a whole in my life I'm not sure will ever get filled again! |
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(05-09-2012, 12:56 PM)
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#20
I've said it before and I'll say it again. It wasn't a Stargate series. If they had taken out the Stargate references and made it a completely standalone series it probably would have done better in the long run. It was a decent space drama with some interesting arcs. But it just wasn't what most Stargate fans wanted.
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aka Meus Renaissance
(05-09-2012, 01:00 PM)
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#23
The only redeeming quality of the show was the dynamics of the crews interactions with Rush. Aside from that, nothing about it was remotely interesting much less entertaining. It was a drama in space, riddled with budget concerns. Despite its name, you'd rarely see any aliens or mingling with other civilisations; the Stargate itself seemed like an afterthought.
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(05-09-2012, 01:02 PM)
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#24
The first series was a bit slow but then it was trying to introduce a LOT of characters and stuff, but it got better toward the end. The second series started where the first left off and then got better and better to the point that by the end you wanted to scream "why the fuck would you cancel that".
A shame. |
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(05-09-2012, 01:04 PM)
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#25
Season 1 was crap but season 2 got pretty good and then it was cancelled.
The biggest problem I had with the show was that it wasn't really a Stargate show. The Stargate name was attached to a BSG clone. I like both Stargate and BSG for different reasons and trying to turn one into the other without rebooting the entire series was an awful idea because the tone and subject matter is just so different than the rest of the established universe. |
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(05-09-2012, 01:11 PM)
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#26
I didn't really like SG:U in the beginning, it got a little better though. I guess my main gripe with it was the depature from the more whimsical adventure that marked SG1 and SG:A. I felt it tried to be a more serious take on the SG franchise and as far as I'm concerned it failed at it. Some of the characters came off as anoying and useless and I really couldn't make myself like any of them.
I guess they wanted to capture a greater audience, but in doing so they (in my opinion) killed off what was good. I didn't watch it because it was some sort of great space drama with a bulletproof plot, it was a bunch of dudes going trough wormholes, screwing with overly dramatic hard-to-kill villians and having fun. And Lt Vanessa James should have had more screen time <.< |
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(05-09-2012, 01:12 PM)
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#27
Originally Posted by Volimar:
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(05-09-2012, 01:19 PM)
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#29
Originally Posted by ThoseDeafMutes:
S7 is king. |
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(05-09-2012, 01:19 PM)
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#31
I think the biggest problem with SG:U was that it tried to be too different from the rest of the franchise and that none of it's characters were really interesting.
It's almost like they suddenly thought that the "Younger and Edgier"-version of SG-1 shown in "200" was suddenly a good idea. Luckily they didn't go THAT far with the concept but outside of Rush I didn't get the feel that any of these guys would be part of an SG-team. Yes, this might be excused by the fact that they never were the ones that would go through the Gate but still. Why is a senators' daughter(?) on the site of a research project from an government department that is beyond top secret? Especially when she doesn't seem to have ANY skills that may somehow benefit the project. The common criticism that the Body-Swap-Stones ruined the "stranded in a galaxy far far away"-concept I don't really get. They knew and probably studied the technology for years so doing nothing would it wouldn't make sense. Especially after the Atlantis-team was cut off from Earth for it's entire first season. You would expect that any organisation that has Carter and McKay in it's rank learn from their mistakes. Though that they then use this tech to fuck everything that moves isn't as easily excusable. |
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(05-09-2012, 01:26 PM)
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#32
Originally Posted by Dax01:
S8 is the point where they really start to run out of steam in the show. S7 was the bomb because they finally got around to resolving so many of the plot points and putting Earth in a powerful position. The show should have finished then. It's not that S8, 9 and 10 didn't have good episodes, but its more like the show had already run its course, and that was the point it was "supposed" to die at. If you look at the production history of the show, that was exactly the point when they thought they weren't going to get any more episodes, kinda like S4 of Babylon 5. |
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(05-09-2012, 01:35 PM)
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#33
Originally Posted by ThoseDeafMutes:
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We don't know why he keeps buying PAL, either.
(05-09-2012, 01:44 PM)
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#35
Originally Posted by Dax01:
SG1 was both great and bad for the ever moving finishing line it had. They had to keep going out with bang at the end of each season because the never knew if they were getting renewed. Unrelated, I only have to meet Amanada Tapping and Michael Shanks and then I'll have met everyone on SG1.
Originally Posted by Divvy:
Does anything think in maybe 10 more years SG1 (maybe Stargate in general) will ever has as much respect that Star Wars, Star Trek gets? I don't know, I think it does. |
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(05-09-2012, 01:51 PM)
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#37
Originally Posted by VOOK:
Stargate won't get the respect that Trek or Wars does because it was never as big as either of those things, and is now declining as a result of having nothing on TV/ no movies coming out. ... I'm kind of holding out hope for a reboot of the Stargate franchise in about 10 years from now. It should be somewhere between SG-1/Atlantis and SGU on the grittiness scale. Some of the more realistic characterizations, but without as much drama. Episodes like Season 1's "Time" in SGU were pretty good at blending the old with the new, but they were too few. |
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(05-09-2012, 01:52 PM)
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#38
Originally Posted by VOOK:
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(05-09-2012, 02:08 PM)
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#39
Personally I think the downfall of stargate started with atlantis.... sad because the SG1 setup and the first episode of atlantis was great. But it was all downhill after that premiere and never got back to the level of that first episode.
Universe was an attempt to try something different to infuse life back into the series but they didn't give it long enough to take hold. I think they assumed it would get bsg buzz since it had a similar look. |
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(05-09-2012, 02:09 PM)
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#40
Originally Posted by jagowar:
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Became a moderator just to tag himself.
(05-09-2012, 02:14 PM)
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#41
Originally Posted by jagowar:
Atlantis fell into the exact same structure as SG-1 did, just with new characters and villains. Some of it worked well and some of it didn't, but by the time it came out we'd already had 7 seasons of SG-1 and more of the same might not have been the best move. It ended up entertaining and I like some of the characters, but overall? Ehh. |
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(05-09-2012, 02:19 PM)
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#42
I love SG, but Universe tried too hard to copy BSG. Consequently this alienated long time fans and the ratings suffered for it. The show got better in the second season. You can tell they were moving away from being BSG-lite and being more like the previous SG shows. But it was too late to save the show, however.
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(05-09-2012, 02:20 PM)
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#43
I liked star gate universe.
I think the downfall was even though people died you never get a feeling of there being less people on the ship. and that they were on a space ship, even though lots of fans don't like ships because of the whole show is meant to be about the stargate. |
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(05-09-2012, 02:28 PM)
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#44
Originally Posted by jagowar:
Originally Posted by marrec:
Atlantis had some GREAT episodes; far better than the premiere. "Common Ground," "Sunday," "McKay and Mrs. Miller," "Be All My Sins Remember'd," the finale of S1, "Brain Storm," "First Strike," "Adrift," etc. There were plenty of great episodes. Atlantis' problems were villain related (Tod was awesome, but there was no Wraith better than him for the team to fight against), and its handling of the conflict with the Wraith I'd say. I recently ran through Atlantis and I'd order the seasons like this: S1 < S2 < S3 > S4 > S5.
Last edited by Dax01; 05-09-2012 at 02:51 PM.
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(05-09-2012, 02:36 PM)
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#45
Originally Posted by ThoseDeafMutes:
There were little bits and pieces (finding the personal shield, the game machine that rodney and sheppard played that controlled the other world, the "before I sleep" episode, etc) where they did capture some of that wonder but in the end it was SG1 in a different location with worse characters right after we had seen 10 years of the real thing.
Originally Posted by Dax01:
Last edited by jagowar; 05-09-2012 at 02:47 PM.
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Became a moderator just to tag himself.
(05-09-2012, 02:46 PM)
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#47
Originally Posted by DrEvil:
Nahh, SGU was actually able to deviate from the structure of the past series radically, so its the opposite of Voyager despite having a similar premise. Atlantis is more comparable to Voyager in the sense that it's the same as before... but in a new galaxy! However, unlike Voyager, Atlantis didn't suck incredibly hard. |
