[B!TCH]

I listened to that album, and it's really not dubstep at all. Stylistically, it's closer to UK Garage or breaks or even microhouse. It's also not that great of an album.

You seem like a nice enough guy so this isn't directed at you specifically, but this post right here reminded me why I stopped listening to, "electronic music." I just can't take it seriously and it looks like nothing has changed since the time I was into it.

I'm only a few years older than you but I used to be just like you OP. I used to be just like you.

[Sh1ner]

That's exactly what I thought. Some of it is flat out house music, Pharaohs for example. Great album though, Heatwave, Hold On and Wildfire are amazing, kind of front loaded though, it tails off after that.

My interpretational of what dubstep may be wrong. For me its the wubs and the style of music. My friend who is far more into the musical scene than I am has corrected me numerous times and told me its to do with the bpm.

I don't really care either way. I know there is good dubstep out there even if I shun most of the genre generally. The op does have a point though about clubs and jumping into dubstep when its uncalled for. I guess mainstream dubstep is a love or hate relationship.

Also I am using this thread to spam tracks I like listening to on youtube whilst working:
Moonbeam feat Avis Vox - Disappearance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txL8W...&feature=share

:)

[GremlinFool]

OP says dubstep music needs to incorporate other genres of music or add new things to the equation, I post a bunch of recent examples showcasing that it has, he retorts that it's not dubstep...LOL

I responded to one album that I didn't joy that also isn't really dubstep, while you're resorting to hostility. And I'M the one taking things too seriously lol

[HiResDes]

I didn't say you were, we are not some hivemind that you can respond to all at once.

[eXistor]

I agree that it's trash, but this is just the kind of music that fans'll look back to in 10 years' time and think "what the fuck was wrong wth me lol" and let it be an amusing reminder of their youth. It's doing no harm.

[GremlinFool]

find me a track from 1992 labeled "dubstep". (and do not start posting barrington levi remixes, that shit's jungle/ragga re-works of old jamaican dub music which has about as much to do with dubstep as country music)

Great job nitpicking and not grasping the crux of my point.

Keep at it, you're contributing.

[Horse Detective]

i didn't say it was alright to criticize personal taste (it's not, like what you want), rather that taking an ambivalent stance of "genres should go away" is dismissive and unproductive. why bother even coming into the thread then? it's not like the OP just made all of this up, within his rant lies some kernel of truth. i just found it really apathetic for you to reply the way you did, effectively shutting down any kind of potential discourse in the name of "people like stuff and some people like other stuff."

But the OP does criticize personal taste, because all it does is attack a very small part of a very expansive type of music. What I was saying is that the terms, "Dubstep" and "Brostep", or whatever else people come up with are just ways of saying, "Hey, this is the kind of music formula I want you to expect from me."

After all, that is what happens, right? A genre becomes popular, and then someone tries to preserve that quality, and add something new. It happens in film as well, with horror, scifi- horror, comedy, romantic comedy.


I understand that there is truth in the Op, but it does criticize music taste, which is my main issue with the entire discussion. Lots of people enjoy that style of music!

OP says dubstep music needs to incorporate other genres of music or add new things to the equation, I post a bunch of recent examples showcasing that it has, he retorts that it's not dubstep...LOL

This is exactly what I am agreeing with. I don't understand the argument here.

[John Rabbit]

Great job nitpicking and not grasping the crux of my point. Keep at it, you're contributing.

i am contributing, by poking holes in your statements and revealing how largely uninformed and ignorant you are about electronic music in general.

dubstep isn't 20 years old. that is not a factual statement. yet you presented it as such. if you're going to attack a thing, in this case the proliferation of dubstep into mainstream music, you ought to be more educated about what the fuck it is you're talking about.

tell me though, what is "the crux of the point" of writing factually incorrect statements?

[Pepto]

Great job nitpicking and not grasping the crux of my point. Keep at it, you're contributing.

How did you come up with that two decades bit?

[GremlinFool]

But the OP does criticize personal taste, because all it does is attack a very small part of a very expansive type of music. What I was saying is that the terms, "Dubstep" and "Brostep", or whatever else people come up with are just ways of saying, "Hey, this is the kind of music formula I want you to expect from me." After all, that is what happens, right? A genre becomes popular, and then someone tries to preserve that quality, and add something new. It happens in film as well, with horror, scifi- horror, comedy, romantic comedy. I understand that there is truth in the Op, but it does criticize music taste, which is my main issue with the entire discussion. Lots of people enjoy that style of music!

The fact that lot's of people enjoy a particular subset of any form of art does not make it any less vulnerable to criticism. Once again, by that token, why not stymy any non-objective discussion in fear of trampling over someone's feet?!

i am contributing, by poking holes in your statements and revealing how largely uninformed and ignorant you are about electronic music in general. dubstep isn't 20 years old. that is not a factual statement. yet you presented it as such. if you're going to attack a thing, in this case the proliferation of dubstep into mainstream music, you ought to be more educated about what the fuck it is you're talking about. tell me though, what is "the crux of the point" of writing factually incorrect statements?

So instead of being 20 years old, it's 15 years old. Fantastic. Want to address the other parts of my post?

And I like how being off by a few years about a origins of a genre with murky roots is extrapolated to me being "largely uninformed and ignorant" about electronic music. I hope you realize how ridiculous you sound.

[Strife91]

Techno, hardstyle, dubstep, sounds like the same trashy nightclub music to me. I will never understand how people can listen to it.

[soultron]

I listened to that album, and it's really not dubstep at all. Stylistically, it's closer to UK Garage or breaks or even microhouse. It's also not that great of an album.

I love genre classifications sometimes. I learned a new made-up word today, "microhouse."

I'm going to drop that into casual conversation tomorrow and see if I can get away with it.

[GremlinFool]

The two decades thing (for those too stupid to understand anything beyond mechanical, objective truths) was to highlight that dubstep isn't a recent movement or development.

[FallingEdge]

And I like how being off by a few years about a origins of a genre with murky roots is extrapolated to me being "largely uninformed and ignorant" about electronic music. I hope you realize how ridiculous you sound.

You are an 18 year old who claims music is dying because of a single genre.

I hope you realize how ridiculous you sound.

[John Rabbit]

The fact that lot's of people enjoy a particular subset of any form of art does not make it any less vulnerable to criticism. Once again, by that token, why not stymy any non-objective discussion in fear of trampling over someone's feet?! So instead of being 20 years old, it's 15 years old. Fantastic. Want to address the other parts of my post?

i'm not going to pinpoint the exact beginning of the dubstep sound. the point is, it did not occur over 20 years ago, but you used that "fact" as support for your argument. how is anyone supposed to continue discussing this topic with you if you're going to use hyperbole as fact?

dubstep as a "genre", btw, is largely agreed upon to have started somewhere in the mid-2000s. by this i mean to say, people started calling songs with typical dubstep stylings "dubstep" around this time. prior to that, it wasn't genre insomuch as a variant of UK grime, itself a hybrid of garage, 2-step and hip-hop. maybe this is where you got your two decades timeframe from.

but if dubstep is now basically just "hip-hop" then everything is basically just "kraftwerk, james brown, and the beatles."


edit: and your mis-statement about the lifespan of dubstep isn't really the only reason i think you're ignorant of the genre, you've already written multiple things in this thread that tell me you really don't know how to classify even the basic sub-genres of electronic music.

[soultron]

The two decades thing (for those too stupid to understand anything beyond mechanical, objective truths) was to highlight that dubstep isn't a recent movement or development.

For most people it is, however, since their exposure to the genre is limited to stuff like Skrillex and such. They don't give a fuck because they're too busy enjoying themselves. Let them have their fun because it'll be over soon.

[JCtheMC]

Useless music thread with poorly informed OP #82131. I honestly cannot even bring myself to make an effort to type an informative reply. Just terrible.

[Sn4ke_911]

dubstep is the worst garbage ever created.

It's so fucking awful. It makes me kick a kitten.

[BocoDragon]

It's hardly fair to characterize my feelings as resistance to change or stylistic evolution.

I did say "different strokes for different strokes". I don't like all music that is of my own generation either.

But when you portray it as some recent movement in music that is "killing music", I have to say that history will probably not come to agree with you. As long as people like this flavor of music, it will persist and become an element the 'new normal' for current and future generations. All that you write about this is doomed to be nothing more than "like... your opinion, man". People said this kind of thing about formerly radical musical genres that we now accept as completely normal.

The fact that lot's of people enjoy a particular subset of any form of art does not make it any less vulnerable to criticism. Once again, by that token, why not stymy any non-objective discussion in fear of trampling over someone's feet?!

I'd feel similarly if people argued that certain flavors were ruining food, or certain tastes in mates were ruining human beauty standards. "Taste" is an inherently subjective, non-logical pursuit.

Some people like dubstep, and they probably don't know why they do, and others don't like dubstep, and they probably don't know why either. Any arguments about them amount to dust in the wind.

[cajunator]

Dubstep is kind of fun. Its ridiculous as it exists today and made into remixes its really entertaining. I like the way Dubstep used to be when it was literally just based on Reggae dubs, but it has evolved into something else entirely.

[GremlinFool]

You are an 18 year old who claims music is dying because of a single genre. I hope you realize how ridiculous you sound.

Once again, it's like you're incapable of grasping the use of tropes for emphasis.

I obviously never asserted that music is dying. The notion that you ACTUALLY interpreted it that way is both comical and telling of your reading comprehension skills. I used an exhaustive, hyperbolic statement to draw in attention for discussion. You took it as an excuse to launch ad hominem attacks because you cannot grasp the nuance of language.

I don't know what to tell you, you're not adding anything to this thread. I'd prefer you to leave, but it's at your discretion.

[HiResDes]

Dubstep is kind of fun. Its ridiculous as it exists today and made into remixes its really entertaining. I like the way Dubstep used to be when it was literally just based on Reggae dubs, but it has evolved into something else entirely.

Zomby's Where Were U in 92' showcases just how fun dubstep can be

[Blearth]

I think 70's Rock is a crock of horseshit but I don't get mad at other people for listening to that garbage.

[Mudkips]

Some music is good and some music is bad, depending on the listener. Genres and classifications need to stop.

First post wins again.

I listened to that album, and it's really not dubstep at all. Stylistically, it's closer to UK Garage or breaks or even microhouse. It's also not that great of an album.

I dare you to define dubstep, UK Garage, breaks, and microhouse.

[GremlinFool]

I'd feel similarly if people argued that certain flavors were ruining food, or certain tastes in mates were ruining human beauty standards. "Taste" is an inherently subjective, non-logical pursuit. Some people like dubstep, and they probably don't know why they do, and others don't like dubstep, and they probably don't know why either. Any arguments about them amount to dust in the wind.

So I suppose we should dissolve all forms of literary criticism since it amounts to "dust in the wind"? Or do we draw the line at music, because it's somehow "more subjective" in your subjective opinion? Why not stop noting any subjective thoughts ever?

I dare you to define dubstep, UK Garage, breaks, and microhouse.

And I dare you to assert that .999... doesn't equal 1.

Oh wait.

At least my argument has credence, my friend.

[Jtwo]

SBTRKT isn't dubstep.

Yeah I got lost in my head recalling sbtrrkt songs for like 5 minutes. I just lost 5 minutes. Where am I.

[John Rabbit]

Dubstep is kind of fun. Its ridiculous as it exists today and made into remixes its really entertaining. I like the way Dubstep used to be when it was literally just based on Reggae dubs, but it has evolved into something else entirely.

dubstep is good for waking up on a morning commute.

or getting drunk people hyped up.

[NinjaBoiX]

dubstep is the worst garbage ever created. It's so fucking awful. It makes me kick a kitten.

Please don't kick a kitten.

[thezerofire]

Dubstep is kind of fun. Its ridiculous as it exists today and made into remixes its really entertaining. I like the way Dubstep used to be when it was literally just based on Reggae dubs, but it has evolved into something else entirely.

Rusko's singles are fun for that. You can almost smell the pot when listening to them.

dubstep is good for waking up on a morning commute. or getting drunk people hyped up.

or when you're high

[FallingEdge]

Once again, it's like you're incapable of grasping the use of tropes for emphasis. I obviously never asserted that music is dying. The notion that you ACTUALLY interpreted it that way is both comical and telling of your reading comprehension skills. I used an exhaustive, hyperbolic statement to draw in attention for discussion. You took it as an excuse to launch ad hominem attacks because you cannot grasp the nuance of language. I don't know what to tell you, you're not adding anything to this thread. I'd prefer you to leave, but it's at your discretion.

So you wrote a sensationalist post just to draw hits.

Gotcha.

Again, I hope you realize how ridiculous you sound.

I'm going to get some craft microhouse beer tomorrow.

I want one as well!

[soultron]

I'm going to get some craft microhouse beer tomorrow.

[GremlinFool]

So you wrote a sensationalist post just to draw hits. Gotcha. Again, I hope you realize how ridiculous you sound. I want one as well!

How is THAT what you take away from my post? Like, are you deliberately being dense?

[zbeeb]

dis gun be good.

[HiResDes]

I'm not the only one that thinks LHF is a dubstep album

...You also didn't say anything about the other artists I posted if you had heard of them or not or what you thought about them

[John Rabbit]

party @ soultron's tomorrow. i'll bring the burgers. someone bring the sbtrkt, machinedrum, and mount kimbie.

[Horse Detective]

The fact that lot's of people enjoy a particular subset of any form of art does not make it any less vulnerable to criticism. Once again, by that token, why not stymy any non-objective discussion in fear of trampling over someone's feet?!

What criticism? Do you really think society would take me seriously if I existed during the emergence of pop art, and told all of the enthusiasts, "This shit needs to stop."?

New styles are always emerging, and those only come forth after an individual has been inspired by something that may no longer be considered relevant or interesting anymore. I don't understand how you can't see my point.

No Hotlinking

Lol

I have seen this happen way too many times tonight. Seriously, you people need to discover Minus.

[Dreams-Visions]

I don't know if it's killing music, but I'm fucking sick of hearing Dubstep on every goddamn commercial.

[Pepto]

Zomby's Where Were U in 92' showcases just how fun dubstep can be

That is not dubstep.

[NinjaBoiX]

I mean, this is just wrong. Dubstep as a genre is over two decades old.

find me a track from 1992 labeled "dubstep".

Great job nitpicking and not grasping the crux of my point.

Wow, are you talking in code?
"Dubstep is over 20 years old."
"Really? Give me an example."
(Oh shit, I haven't really thought this through, and I don't have an answer)"Well, you don't really get the crux of my point."

Yeah, OK dude.

[GremlinFool]

This is ridiculous. You guys are ridiculous.

Rabbitwork - The members of the largest music repository in the world that I'm a part of that I will not name agree with the genre classifications I made about LHF, SBTRKT, and the rest. I think predicating this discussion on whether you agree with genre classifications GENERALLY AGREED UPON and then insisting that my knowledge of music is limited as a result will not take you, or this thread very far. So fuck you.

HiResDes - I didn't even get a chance to look at your post, but your hostility never fails to appall me. So I'll respond in kind: fuck you.

Wow, are you talking in code? "Dubstep is over 20 years old." "Really? Give me an example." (Oh shit, I haven't really thought this through, and I don't have an answer)"Well, you don't really get the crux of my point." Yeah, OK dude.

THE WHOLE POINT of the post was that genre is an old genre, and the past few years would hardly mark the "emergence of dubstep." That's all. Whether it's 20 or 15 years old is IRRELEVANT.

Dear lord.

[Nightshade1765]

Hey you sound like every other person on the planet!

"This 'jazz music' is killing all the good music!"

"This 'rock-n-roll music' is killing all the good music!"

"This 'rap music' is killing all the good music!"

"This 'pop music' is killing all the good music!"

Get over yourself, you're not the fucking Nostradamus of music. No one is. And what makes "good music" is entirely subjective. As long as music exists, I'm sure some form of music (even stuff you enjoy) will continue to exist. There has been nothing to prove otherwise.

[BocoDragon]

So I suppose we should dissolve all forms of literary criticism since it amounts to "dust in the wind"? Or do we draw the line at music, because it's somehow "more subjective" in your subjective opinion? Why not stop noting any subjective thoughts ever?

Maybe we should lol. A lot of ideas about higher literature, higher cuisine, higher art, is pretensious. As long as it is stimulating, and produces positive emotions, the art in question is acceptable. A lot of "good/bad" art is just an examination of whether the material is stimulating to the reviewer or not. (and to dubstep fans, the lack of wubwubs in techno and other genres is not stimulating).

But I realize that's a radical argument. You are reasonable to argue what you do in your thread. I just don't think it matters quite how you argue that dubstep is bad, if people like it and pass on that interest into the future. (if it's a flash in the pan to be regretted later, then I could see how you'd have merit in arguing that dubstep is a great mistake, but I don't see that happening at all.).

[Mudkips]

And I dare you to assert that .999... doesn't equal 1. Oh wait. At least my argument has credence, my friend.

When others presented you with dubstep they like, you classified it as "not dubstep". Yet you can't even define dubstep or the other genres you name?

I obviously never asserted that music is dying.

Thread: Dubstep is slowly killing music.

Obviously.

[Not a Jellyfish]

This thread = Opinions, people have them.

Is dubstep ruining music? No not at all, it is just a form of it. Do I care for dubstep? Nope not really. How do I deal with my dislike of dubstep? I don't listen to it, plain and simple.

[John Rabbit]

Rabbitwork - The members of the largest music repository in the world that I'm a part of that I will not name agree with the genre classifications I made about LHF, SBTRKT, and the rest. I think predicating this discussion on whether you agree with genre classifications GENERALLY AGREED UPON and then insisting that my knowledge of music is limited as a result will not take you, or this thread very far. So fuck you.

so you make coffee at the pandora offices?

sbtrkt isn't dubstep son, get the fuck out of here.

[NinjaBoiX]

I'm going to get some craft microhouse beer tomorrow.

I hear it goes really well with a dubschnapps chaser.

[Horse Detective]

This is ridiculous. You guys are ridiculous.

I realize this is a lost cause, but are the "Fuck you"'s really worth getting banned over? :/

[thezerofire]

OP, what actual "discussion" are you promoting here? So far is sounds like "Dubstep is killing music," "No it isn't, you're overreacting," "OMG stop quashing the discussion!"

What do you actually want to discuss?

[legend166]

Remember when people used to make fun of those who would argue over whether something was indie pop, indie rock, or maybe alt rock?

Can we start making fun of all these electronica people too for the same thing?

[soultron]

Hey you sound like every other person on the planet! "This 'jazz music' is killing all the good music!" "This 'rock-n-roll music' is killing all the good music!" "This 'rap music' is killing all the good music!" "This 'pop music' is killing all the good music!" Get over yourself, you're not the fucking Nostradamus of music. No one is. And what makes "good music" is entirely subjective. As long as music exists, I'm sure some form of music (even stuff you enjoy) will continue to exist. There has been nothing to prove otherwise.

I think we need some motherfucking Skrillex bee .gifs up in this thread. It's time.

Or we could listen to some chillstep and totally just bro-out.

EDIT: I laughed way too hard at "dubschnapps."