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HiResDes · (05-09-2012, 07:56 AM)

Originally Posted by Pepto:

That is not dubstep.

It's quintessential dubstep, a throwback to what it sounded like when it first came into play.

Horse Detective · (05-09-2012, 07:56 AM)

Originally Posted by thezerofire:

OP, what actual "discussion" are you promoting here? So far is sounds like "Dubstep is killing music," "No it isn't, you're overreacting," "OMG stop quashing the discussion!"

What do you actually want to discuss?

Originally Posted by Not a Jellyfish:

This thread = Opinions, people have them.

Is dubstep ruining music? No not at all, it is just a form of it. Do I care for dubstep? Nope not really. How do I deal with my dislike of dubstep? I don't listen to it, plain and simple.

I really wish more people could understand this.

PataHikari · (05-09-2012, 07:56 AM)

Originally Posted by Nightshade1765:

Hey you sound like every other person on the planet!

"This 'jazz music' is killing all the good music!"

"This 'rock-n-roll music' is killing all the good music!"

"This 'rap music' is killing all the good music!"

"This 'pop music' is killing all the good music!"

Get over yourself, you're not the fucking Nostradamus of music. No one is. And what makes "good music" is entirely subjective. As long as music exists, I'm sure some form of music (even stuff you enjoy) will continue to exist. There has been nothing to prove otherwise.

You forgot "Musical Notation is killing music"

GremlinFool · (05-09-2012, 07:57 AM)

Originally Posted by thezerofire:

OP, what actual "discussion" are you promoting here? So far is sounds like "Dubstep is killing music," "No it isn't, you're overreacting," "OMG stop quashing the discussion!"

What do you actually want to discuss?

I think a lot of those sorts of posts have been productive. I'm only responding to the posts that deliberately misinterpret my point and attack my character. I think some of the points made about past musical movements are interesting to note, I just haven't had the time to respond to them.

Tesseract · (05-09-2012, 07:57 AM)

Sentry · (05-09-2012, 07:57 AM)

Don't they say this about every new genre that catches on? :lol Nothing will kill music, stfu.

Sn4ke_911 · (05-09-2012, 07:57 AM)

Originally Posted by -NinjaBoiX-:

Please don't kick a kitten.

Don't worry i was just kidding.

NinjaBoiX · (05-09-2012, 07:58 AM)

Originally Posted by GremlinFool:

This is ridiculous. You guys are ridiculous.

THE WHOLE POINT of the post was that genre is an old genre, and the past few years would hardly mark the "emergence of dubstep." That's all. Whether it's 20 or 15 years old is IRRELEVANT.

Dear lord.

Dude, you brought up the "Dubstep is two decades old" thing so don't tell me it's irrelevant.

Dear lord.

Johnlenham · (05-09-2012, 07:58 AM)

Originally Posted by AcridMeat:

SBTRKT isn't dubstep.

Thank god someone else said it.

GremlinFool · (05-09-2012, 07:59 AM)

Originally Posted by -NinjaBoiX-:

Dude, you brought up the "Dubstep is two decades old" thing so don't tell me it's irrelevant.

Dear lord.

I brought it up as an ancillary part of one post in order to demonstrate that dubstep is an old genre. I messed up on the date a little bit. So what? Please tell me how it's consequential.

Pepto · (05-09-2012, 07:59 AM)

Originally Posted by HiResDes:

It's quintessential dubstep, a throwback to what it sounded like when it first came into play.

You also think that dubstep is 20 years old??

thezerofire · (05-09-2012, 07:59 AM)

Originally Posted by Johnlenham:

Thank god someone else said it.

but he is fucking awesome. live too

Originally Posted by GremlinFool:

I think a lot of those sorts of posts have been productive. I'm only responding to the posts that deliberately misinterpret my point and attack my character. I think some of the points made about past musical movements are interesting to note, I just haven't had the time to respond to them.

I don't think you actually answered my question...

John Rabbit · (05-09-2012, 08:00 AM)

wait now i really need to know who or what comprises the world's largest music repository.

the internet? is he saying that he's a part of the internet? how exactly does somebody repose music when music is widely and easily available to almost everyone on the planet? does this phantom organization have like a couple multi-TB hard drive arrays in a basement with the world's largest MP3 collection?

i'm so confused and intrigued by OP's assertion of belonging to a music consortium that sits around all day classifying music. did your dad "totally work at nintendo" too?

Not a Jellyfish · (05-09-2012, 08:01 AM)

Originally Posted by thezerofire:

but he is fucking awesome. live too

Their Coachella performance was amazing this year! Loved it.

GremlinFool · (05-09-2012, 08:01 AM)

This annoys me to no end. When you guys stop being condescending because I was off by 5 years, then I'll post again in this thread. Until then, adieu.

Originally Posted by Rabbitwork:

wait now i really need to know who or what comprises the world's largest music repository.

the internet? is he saying that he's a part of the internet? how exactly does somebody repose music when music is widely and easily available to almost everyone on the planet? does this phantom organization have like a couple multi-TB hard drive arrays in a basement with the world's largest MP3 collection?

i'm so confused and intrigued by OP's assertion of belonging to a music consortium that sits around all day classifying music. did your dad "totally work at nintendo" too?

Maybe if you weren't such a tool I'd let you in on the secret :)

HiResDes · (05-09-2012, 08:02 AM)

Originally Posted by Pepto:

You also think that dubstep is 20 years old??

Its roots are

Nightshade1765 · (05-09-2012, 08:02 AM)

Originally Posted by PataHikari:

You forgot "Musical Notation is killing music"

"These 'musical instruments' are killing good chanting!"

Originally Posted by GremlinFool:

This annoys me to no end. When you guys stop being condescending because I was off by 5 years, then I'll post again in this thread. Until then, adieu.

Clearly, by storming out of the room with a pout on your face, you won this argument. Don't worry, it's us, not you.

Tabris · 08:04 AM

Every decade, there's some music trend that is considered "ruining the music industry". In my opinion, right now, it's the need to have every pop song with a rap, and every rap with a pop hook (or "making music for the clubs"), but that isn't stopping good music from being made, just good music from being popular. You can always find good music, who cares what other people like.

And you might find that in 10 years, that music you hated, you actually don't mind any more as you slowly lose your music elitism or it's re-directed to the next music trend.

Usually it's pop music that's a good example of this. Do you still think things like Christina Aguilera and N*SYNC will ruin the music industry and it's the worst music of all time? But I bet you would have in the late 90's.

EDIT - Growing up is also a key to losing music elitism. Late teens to late 20's is when it's usually in full force. You'll find as you get older, you stop caring what's popular.

Antiwhippy · (05-09-2012, 08:03 AM)

Dubstep is around a decade old at most.

NinjaBoiX · (05-09-2012, 08:03 AM)

Originally Posted by GremlinFool:

I brought it up as an ancillary part of one post in order to demonstrate that dubstep is an old genre. I messed up on the date a little bit. So what? Please tell me how it's consequential.

As you have admitted that it isn't 20 years old, like at all, it is no longer consequential. But you can understand my confusion, to make a statement, then when questioned on said statement, you simply fold and say it's not the point.

Also, I'd chill with throwing the "fuck you" around, it's a fastlane to Bansville.

EYEL1NER · 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by Nightshade1765:

Hey you sound like every other person on the planet!

"This 'jazz music' is killing all the good music!"

"This 'rock-n-roll music' is killing all the good music!"

"This 'rap music' is killing all the good music!"

"This 'pop music' is killing all the good music!"

Get over yourself, you're not the fucking Nostradamus of music. No one is. And what makes "good music" is entirely subjective. As long as music exists, I'm sure some form of music (even stuff you enjoy) will continue to exist. There has been nothing to prove otherwise.

C'mon now. How can you say such a thing? He's 18. I mean 18 for christ's sakes!!! 18 and a music fan! If there is anyone who knows everything about the music world out there, it would be an 18-year-old music fan.
You're old-man ears are clearly failing you, pops.

If I could meet my 18-year-old self, I don't know which one of us would kick the other's ass for being a dumbass the fastest...

Originally Posted by Rabbitwork:

wait now i really need to know who or what comprises the world's largest music repository.

the internet? is he saying that he's a part of the internet? how exactly does somebody repose music when music is widely and easily available to almost everyone on the planet? does this phantom organization have like a couple multi-TB hard drive arrays in a basement with the world's largest MP3 collection?

i'm so confused and intrigued by OP's assertion of belonging to a music consortium that sits around all day classifying music. did your dad "totally work at nintendo" too?

You had me rolling with this one.

BocoDragon · (05-09-2012, 08:04 AM)

Originally Posted by GremlinFool:

This annoys me to no end. When you guys stop being condescending because I was off by 5 years, then I'll post again in this thread. Until then, adieu.

I don't begrudge you starting this thread dude. GAF is always going to be a judgmental circus.

I wouldn't worry about the dubstep = 20 years thing either.

But I think you did uncover that it's really hard to have meaningful conversations about things that are about taste... and everyone's hammering on that point :P

Ezenzer · (05-09-2012, 08:05 AM)

Originally Posted by GremlinFool:

This annoys me to no end. When you guys stop being condescending because I was off by 5 years, then I'll post again in this thread. Until then, adieu.

Maybe if you weren't such a tool I'd let you in on the secret :)

Aha, on the last page you call others stupid and you edit your post to add in the bolded. But now you're vacating the thread because, darn it, everyone else is being so drat condescending.

Right.

(Dubstep is awesome, by the way.)

Pepto · (05-09-2012, 08:05 AM)

Originally Posted by HiResDes:

Its roots are

The roots are more than 20 year old. But that doesn't make that tune any more dubstep.

John Rabbit · (05-09-2012, 08:05 AM)

Originally Posted by GremlinFool:

Maybe if you weren't such a tool I'd let you in on the secret :)

if you hadn't already asserted your age i'd guess you were at least 15. you aren't part of anything except a tiresome stereotype of someone who thinks they can take what little knowledge they think they have about a particular subject and lord it over others that are arrogantly assumed to be less informed.

this thread is fucking terrible and your childish antics only made it worse.

btw it's great i'm the tool but OP is the one claiming to be part of some secret musical illuminati that backs his every idiotic assertion.

echothreealpha · 08:10 AM

They used to say the same thing about Bob Dylan when he started using the electrical guitar.

In my opinion, saying dubsteb is killing music is lhe mayan 2012 apocalypse argument of music.

GrizzNKev · (05-09-2012, 08:07 AM)

As much as I don't like various type of music, I think it's important to appreciate that what you do like actually exists. Since music is always changing but usually doesn't disappear, the further you go into the future the more options you have. I like to imagine myself 100 years down the road, sifting through what the last century has left behind. The last 100 years have given us an incredible variety and the next may be even greater.

thezerofire · (05-09-2012, 08:07 AM)

Originally Posted by GremlinFool:

This annoys me to no end. When you guys stop being condescending because I was off by 5 years, then I'll post again in this thread. Until then, adieu.

it's not really because you were off by 5 years, but it's because you come across as a hugely self-important snob. If that's not how you intend to come across, you should probably take a good look at what you've posted and try to remedy that. For example, stuff like this:

Quote:

Maybe if you weren't such a tool I'd let you in on the secret :)

Ezenzer · (05-09-2012, 08:07 AM)

Originally Posted by Rabbitwork:

this thread is fucking terrible and your childish antics only made it extremely amusing to read.

Fixed.

John Rabbit · (05-09-2012, 08:08 AM)

Originally Posted by Ezenzer:

Fixed.

lol fair enough.

Johnlenham · (05-09-2012, 08:08 AM)

Originally Posted by thezerofire:

but he is fucking awesome. live too

I don't think you actually answered my question...

Oh yeah not saying he bad in anyway, saw him live at Glastonbury and his album is good!

Where were you in 92 is a throw back to Jungle music by the way.

This why you cant have a "disscusion" as that would involve people on all sides being informed, this is just various people confused about what is and isnt something complaining about stuff they cant agree on.

I could waste 20mins linking stuff, pointing out that 95% of the posters THINK is dubstep isnt and showing them what IS but Ive done it maybe four or five times in recent memory and it is usually a complete waste of time.

BocoDragon · (05-09-2012, 08:09 AM)

Anyone else feel like retreating to this thread? ;)

thezerofire · (05-09-2012, 08:10 AM)

Originally Posted by Johnlenham:

Oh yeah not saying he bad in anyway, saw him live at Glastonbury and his album is good!

oh, I didn't mean to imply that you thought he was bad, just that despite not being dubstep he's pretty damn cool. saw him weekend 2 at Coachella and it was great

daviyoung · (05-09-2012, 08:11 AM)

Once again the dubstep-is-musically-devoid-lazy-crap argument rears its head and once again I have to recommend this:

Hiatus and Shura - Fortune's Fool

You'll learn one day dubstep doubters.

Nightshade1765 · (05-09-2012, 08:12 AM)

Originally Posted by EYEL1NER:

C'mon now. How can you say such a thing? He's 18. I mean 18 for christ's sakes!!! 18 and a music fan! If there is anyone who knows everything about the music world out there, it would be an 18-year-old music fan.
You're old-man ears are clearly failing you, pops.

Sad part is? I'm only a few years older than he.

Jtwo · (05-09-2012, 08:12 AM)

Originally Posted by Rabbitwork:

btw it's great i'm the tool but OP is the one claiming to be part of some secret musical illuminati that backs his every idiotic assertion.

lol he prolly just has a what account.

abusori · (05-09-2012, 08:12 AM)

Originally Posted by zbeeb:

dis gun be good.

Might wanna rehost that.

HiResDes · (05-09-2012, 08:13 AM)

Originally Posted by Pepto:

The roots are more than 20 year old. But that doesn't make that tune any more dubstep.

RA, Pitchfork, and users on Last.fm seem to think so, but fair enough...Maybe I don't like dubstep at all, lol.

Is any of this dubstep:

Desolate
Kuedo
Hyetal
Sepalcure
Swarms
Silkie
Shackleton
Pursuit Grooves
Martyn
Kode9 & The Spaceape
Zomby
EMIKA
Addison Groove
Robot Koch

Antiwhippy · (05-09-2012, 08:13 AM)

Originally Posted by daviyoung:

Once again the dubstep-is-musically-devoid-lazy-crap argument rears its head and once again I have to recommend this:

Hiatus and Shura - Fortune's Fool

You'll learn one day dubstep doubters.

This sounds alot like emika.

Tesseract · (05-09-2012, 08:14 AM)

Originally Posted by Jtwo:

lol he prolly just has a what account.

lol.

GrizzNKev · (05-09-2012, 08:15 AM)

Originally Posted by Jtwo:

lol he prolly just has a what account.

but they ARE the super secret music illuminati

my self-described hipster roommate told me so and I totally believe him

soultron · (05-09-2012, 08:16 AM)

Originally Posted by daviyoung:

Once again the dubstep-is-musically-devoid-lazy-crap argument rears its head and once again I have to recommend this:

Hiatus and Shura - Fortune's Fool

You'll learn one day dubstep doubters.

Dubstep itself is like an entire microspectrum contained within the overall musical spectrum that Dubstep lies between Trance, Drum & Bass, and whatever other closely-related musical neighbours you want to sandwich it between.

There are so many different variations and styles. There's the more subdued roots stuff, there's the very aggressive stuff (Skrillex & Co.), the stuff that draws exclusively from certain genres or sampling styles (my favourite is actual dub reggae dubstep), and so forth.

GremlinFool · (05-09-2012, 08:16 AM)

Originally Posted by Jtwo:

lol he prolly just has a what account.

Last post: yes, but that's not what I was referring to

Sh1ner · (05-09-2012, 08:16 AM)

SoulTron, have some liquiddnb:
Maduk - Take you there
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QZMA...2&feature=plcp

Killdozer · (05-09-2012, 08:16 AM)

Dubstep is the 'Two Girls One Cup' of music.

Johnlenham · (05-09-2012, 08:18 AM)

Originally Posted by HiResDes:

RA, Pitchfork, and users on Last.fm seem to think so, but fair enough...Maybe I don't like dubstep at all, lol.

Is any of this dubstep:

Desolate
Kuedo
Hyetal
Sepalcure
Swarms
Silkie
Shackleton
Pursuit Grooves
Martyn
Kode9 & The Spaceape
Zomby
EMIKA
Addison Groove
Robot Koch

I cant use youtube at work but Silkie, Shackleton, Kode 9 and Zomby (but not everything he does) are atleast.
Try VIVEK, Mala, Tuunidge, Loefah, Benga (old stuff), Skream and Didgital mystikz

abusori · (05-09-2012, 08:18 AM)

Originally Posted by BocoDragon:

Anyone else feel like retreating to this thread? ;)

Just a note, when I click on your link, I get neogaf.net, and I'm not logged in.
Is this the real site, or what?

DominoKid · (05-09-2012, 08:19 AM)

IT NEEDS MORE WOMP WOMP WOMP

fuck dubstep in the fashion that's known by the average person

HiResDes · (05-09-2012, 08:19 AM)

Hmm...Well I do indeed like some dubstep, almost did a 180 there lol.

soultron · (05-09-2012, 08:19 AM)

Originally Posted by Sh1ner:

SoulTron, have some liquiddnb:
Maduk - Take you there
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QZMA...2&feature=plcp

I love DnB (although I know nothing more of the genre aside from subscribing to Ultra and UKF DnB on YT) so this was an awesome recommendation. Thanks!