[Tears For Fears]

I'm not even sure what your point is

People have opinions you may not like. So what? Deal with it? Converse about it? Not that hard to grasp.

[bengraven]

As long as your happy intolerance equals you shutting up about it when in certain company.

[Satch]

People have opinions you may not like. So what? Deal with it? Converse about it? Not that hard to grasp.

people do those things

[toxicgonzo]

As long as your happy intolerance equals you shutting up about it, sure.

How dare you infringe upon the freedom of speech for those with intolerant attitudes

[Timedog]

In America? Sure. NeoGAF on the other hand...

The OP doesn't even make sense dude. He's getting mad because someone can't express their distaste for things without other people expressing their distaste for the original persons distaste.

[Zefah]

People have opinions you may not like. So what? Deal with it? Converse about it? Not that hard to grasp.

When you have a negative opinion about something and openly state it to others, you can really have only two goals:

a. start a conflict

b. find people who agree with you so you can hate something together

[bengraven]

How dare you infringe upon the freedom of speech for those with intolerant attitudes

Stop losing your tolerance with my free speech infringement!

I'll tolerate it NO MORE.

[Valnen]

Well, because of intolerance certain minority groups still don't have completely equal rights in the US.

Your opinion should never interfere with someone's rights if that person hasn't committed any crimes.

[Plywood]

Not even sure what this thread is about.

[beelzebozo]

you can be opinionated and disagree with things. it's just better if you're diplomatic and not a total ass while you're disagreeing, and acknowledge that you may not be totally right in everything that you think.

there's a virtue in having "flexible" opinions, since it implies you are considering alternate possibilities and points of view. to stick too strongly by something you think now just makes you stubborn and myopic and delusional.

[Zeppelin]

As long as your happy intolerance equals you shutting up about it, sure.

Ah, the paradox of tolerance. By definition of intolerance, your intolerance of intolerance makes you intolerant. So I suggest you go back in time and shut up.

[Tears For Fears]

this is irrelevant. most people have the qualities, people just don't exhibit them at the right times. leading to (guess what!?)... conflict. this conversation for example would go very different if we had no tolerance.

Whose to say that the opinion of one person who is showing intolerance is not showing any of those qualities when he is arguing and our conversing about said subject? It's all your subjective take on it, whether one person agrees with it or doesn't is irreverent, the only thing that is relevant is that they are actually conversing, and not being snuffed out do to differing opinions.

[Satch]

Not even sure what this thread is about.

i am pretty confused, myself

i thought i knew but apparently i dont

[Izick]

The OP doesn't even make sense dude. He's getting mad because someone can't express their distaste for things without other people expressing their distaste for the original persons distaste.

[Ra\/en]

Not even sure what this thread is about.

Apparently I'm part of a new GAF KKK.

[bengraven]

Ah, the paradox of tolerance. By definition of intolerance, your intolerance of intolerance makes you intolerant. So I suggest you go back in time and shut up.

I have a freedom of speech to be intolerant towards someone who's voicing intolerant opinions that cause intolerant reactions.

[GillianSeed79]

I'd like to know what OP doesn't like though. There's a whole lot of beating around the bush in that OP. I've already come clean with my hate of loud eaters. It's cool. I don't hate you loud eaters personally, just your method of food ingestion.

Maybe just say what you don't like and there could be a civil conversation about it.

[Pollux]

I have a freedom of speech to be intolerant towards someone who's voicing intolerant opinions that cause intolerant reactions.

I'll tell you what I'm not goin to tolerate anymore...bengraven and his absurd theories in the unmarked game of thrones thread. Absolute madness.

[onemic]

People have opinions you may not like. So what? Deal with it? Converse about it? Not that hard to grasp.

We already do that though.

[bengraven]

If I'm reading the OP correctly, his issue that certain intolerances are frowned upon, while others aren't?

For the most part we all have our intolerances. It's a big word that means so many things, from very minor to very very strong. It could mean "I can't tolerate that fly buzzing around in my room at night, I'll never get any sleep" to "I can't tolerate Mexicans because they're disrespectful to women".

Obviously one of those things isn't polite to bring up in tasteful conversation.

So, please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't he/you basically saying "intolerance is a part of life and we have a right to them all, even the worst, and shouldn't be ostracized for it?".

[Tears For Fears]

I'd like to know what OP doesn't like though. There's a whole lot of beating around the bush in that OP. I've already come clean with my hate of loud eaters. It's cool. I don't hate you loud eaters personally, just your method of food ingestion. Maybe just say what you don't like and there could be a civil conversation about it.

I dislike a lot of things, like people who pay in change at the express line. Or people who want to force others into doing recreational drug use. Or people who smoke in apartments. I have a mile long list of my dislikes.

[bengraven]

I'll tell you what I'm not goin to tolerate anymore...bengraven and his absurd theories in the unmarked game of thrones thread. Absolute madness.

Joffrey's intolerance for Tyrion obviously stems from a sentence on page 45 of the US hardcover edition of Clash of Kings where Cersei states "mother clearly---" which means without a shadow of the doubt that because she didn't say OUR MOTHER that means FAKE SPOILER FAKE SPOILERTYRION IS JAIME'S LOVE CHILD WITH HIS MOTHER.

[Apeopleman]

I am not tolerant of things I don't like, and I don't ask for forgiveness. People need to have thicker skin and if they take offense to my opinion they're they ones losing sleep.. not me. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink.

Took the words from my brain

[G-Fex]

Not even sure what this thread is about.

Just another thread in the Off Topic.

[Pollux]

Joffrey's intolerance for Tyrion obviously stems from a sentence on page 45 of the US hardcover edition of Clash of Kings where Cersei states "mother clearly---" which means without a shadow of the doubt that because she didn't say OUR MOTHER that means FAKE SPOILER FAKE SPOILERTYRION IS JAIME'S LOVE CHILD WITH HIS MOTHER.

You son of a bitch....

[foodtaster]

Whose to say that the opinion of one person who is showing intolerance is not showing any of those qualities when he is arguing and our conversing about said subject? It's all your subjective take on it, whether one person agrees with it or doesn't is irreverent, the only thing that is relevant is that they are actually conversing, and not being snuffed out do to differing opinions.

again you miss the point. only one person in the conversation has to be tolerant. make that person you. what is your point anyway?

[Canuck76]

You tolerate something by being able to co-exist with the thing you dislike. That's the polite thing to do. Nobody has issues with that. Once you start going further than that is where the troubles begin. Example: GAF and PonyGAF.

I believe the correct definition of this by some posters is bigotry.

[DanteFox]

You don't. But you'll be labeled a bigot by some, which is just another way of saying "you're wrong."

[G-Fex]

You don't. But you'll be labeled a bigot by some, which is just another way of saying "you're wrong."

Pretty much.

Maybe Net Wrecker is right about me.

[bengraven]

Just another thread in the Off Topic.

[Copernicus]

You don't. But you'll be labeled a bigot by some, which is just another way of saying "you're wrong."

People are allowed to have bigoted opinions.

I'll get some shit for it, but I hope the anti-thought-police defense foce can back me up.

The problem lies when you try to enforce your opinions on other people.

There is a distinction to be made.

[GillianSeed79]

I dislike a lot of things, like people who pay in change at the express line. Or people who want to force others into doing recreational drug use. Or people who smoke in apartments. I have a mile long list of my dislikes.

Okay, cool. I smoke in my apartment and I may have gotten a friend or two to smoke pot ages ago in high school. By your definition you have every right to be intolerant of me and I'm cool with that.

[Master Milk]

People have opinions you may not like. So what? Deal with it? Converse about it? Not that hard to grasp.

Why wasn't this the OP lol

Anyway, pretend I'm posting the jimcarreywhoyatalkinto gif here.

On NeoGAF specifically, people don't actually have the option of completely speaking their minds, if they want to keep their accounts, anyway.

[DanteFox]

People are allowed to have bigoted opinions. I'll get some shit for it, but I hope the anti-thought-police defense foce can back me up. The problem lies when you try to enforce your opinions on other people. There is a distinction to be made.

Here's the thing though. Calling something bigoted means little. It's basically the same as saying "I think you're wrong." In order for the discussion to progress past that a discussion needs to be had about why the bigot is wrong.

[bengraven]

People are allowed to have bigoted opinions. I'll get some shit for it, but I hope the anti-thought-police defense foce can back me up. The problem lies when you try to enforce your opinions on other people. There is a distinction to be made.

Basically this.

You can be an asshole, but better an asshole than harmful asshole. You can say "I hate Mongolians and we would be better off without them" but you cross the line when you open fire at the Mongolian Grill. Especially on buuz night.

[Shadow Red]

This reminds of a conversation I had with my friends. We were discussing about Obama's and Romney's different view on gay marriage and when one of my friends dropped the bomb by saying he supported anti-gay marriage, everyone pointed fingers at him and called him hitler and whatnot. I remained neutral because I clearly don't have enough knowledge to form my own opinion about gay marriage so when I said "hey man, he's only expressing his opinion...not like he's doing anything wrong" the same group started pointing the finger at me as well then the discussion became an "anti-gay marriage is wrong! you're evil, blah blah" I just think that people can express their opinions as long as they're being careful on how they say it. Also, I think people shouldn't force their beliefs onto others. Then again, just my own opinions.

[Karsticles]

What is your definition of tolerance? When you say you want to openly state your distaste for something, I don't see that as being in opposition to tolerance.

[Copernicus]

Here's the thing though. Calling something bigoted means little. It's basically the same as saying "I think you're wrong." In order for the discussion to progress past that a discussion needs to be had about why the bigot is wrong.

I agree completely.

It's like when somebody pulls that "I'm not touching you" shit while holding a finger in your face. You can get aggravated and react, of you can explain how fucking annoying that shit is, and why it's annoying.

If they however, they decide to touch your nose, then, that shit is not accepted and retaliatory action is more than warranted.

[Orayn]

This reminds of a conversation I had with my friends. We were discussing about Obama's and Romney's different view on gay marriage and when one of my friends dropped the bomb by saying he supported anti-gay marriage, everyone pointed fingers at him and called him hitler and whatnot. I remained neutral because I clearly don't have enough knowledge to form my own opinion about gay marriage

Lemme cut you off here - What's there to know? What lurking issues could make opposing gay marriage anything other than senseless discrimination?

[CrushDance]

I think it's very important that the OP specifies what he/she has problems with. Because there are certain things that as a society, we *must* all tolerate. Having an opinion is fine, speaking about it is fine. So what burns you so bad that you're afraid to talk about? I can think of very few things.

[DanteFox]

Lemme cut you off here - What's there to know? What lurking issues could make opposing gay marriage anything other than senseless discrimination?

because there are actual reasons for being against gay marriage. He might be religious.

[Orayn]

because there are actual reasons for being against gay marriage. He might be religious.

I meant rationally defensible reasons.

[Pollux]

I meant rationally defensible reasons.

For a religious person that is rational.

[coldfoot]

This reminds of a conversation I had with my friends. We were discussing about Obama's and Romney's different view on gay marriage and when one of my friends dropped the bomb by saying he supported anti-gay marriage, everyone pointed fingers at him and called him hitler and whatnot. I remained neutral because I clearly don't have enough knowledge to form my own opinion about gay marriage so when I said "hey man, he's only expressing his opinion...not like he's doing anything wrong" the same group started pointing the finger at me as well then the discussion became an "anti-gay marriage is wrong! you're evil, blah blah" I just think that people can express their opinions as long as they're being careful on how they say it. Also, I think people shouldn't force their beliefs onto others. Then again, just my own opinions.

That's exactly what your friend was doing. Being/voting against gay marriage = forcing your beliefs onto others. Gays do not force their beliefs onto you by preventing you from marrying a member of the opposite sex.

Just because someone believes in 2000 year old fairy tales doesn't mean they can prevent other people from going against it.

[DanteFox]

I meant rationally defensible reasons.

give any reason you have for opposing anything and you could break it down until it's no longer rationally defensible.

[coldfoot]

For a religious person that is rational.

They must learn that what they consider rational, isn't rational in the natural world.

[Canuck76]

I meant rationally defensible reasons.

LETS KILL EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES IN THE SUPERNATURAL AND MOUNT THEM ON STICKS

WHOS WITH ME?

[DanteFox]

That's exactly what your friend was doing. Being/voting against gay marriage = forcing your beliefs onto others. Gays do not force their beliefs onto you by preventing you from marrying a member of the opposite sex. Just because someone believes in 2000 year old fairy tales doesn't mean they can prevent other people from going against it.

literally any time someone supports a law to be passed they are forcing their beliefs onto others. That's exactly what democracy is.

[Orayn]

For a religious person that is rational.

Forgive me for grounding my definition of "rational" in a perspective that's detached from the idea of arbitrarily following what's written in any particular holy book.

give any reason you have for opposing anything and you could break it down until it's no longer rationally defensible.

Could I instead challenge you to come up with a reason to oppose gay marriage that's based on science or secular, utilitarian ethics?

LETS KILL EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES IN THE SUPERNATURAL AND MOUNT THEM ON STICKS WHOS WITH ME?

An army of these guys!

[Devolution]

because there are actual reasons for being against gay marriage. He might be religious.

There aren't actual reasons, just bigotry.