[Kanik]

Shadowrun 2

Would be the best game ever.

Wish the first didn't come out so early in the generation. Now multiplayer-heavy games are the norm.

[benny_a]

Mediocre multiplayer shooters, yes. It's irrelevant whether Gears was third party, it's a Microsoft Game Studios game. What does owning the studio outright have to do with funding quality titles?

We must agree to disagree. It's your personal opinion. I was bringing up Metacritic because that's as detached from opinion about something subjective you can get in a discussion. It's a read on the consensus of the reviewers.

I personally thought Gears 2 had horrible multiplayer, but it's still considered excellent by the enthusiast press.

Also I don't think merely funding is enough to be considered part of the creation of a title. Actual co-developing is great, but putting up marketing dollars does not qualify.

[gregor7777]

Would be the best game ever. Wish the first didn't come out so early in the generation. Now multiplayer-heavy games are the norm.

Yep. If you recall Shadowrun got shat upon for, among other bullshit reasons, being multiplayer only.

The game was balanced so well. And most of the mpas were top notch.

[Kafel]

Bruter Force

[shinobi602]

Seems OXM missed some important details. Here are some recent job listings: Creative Director: There are two others: Lead Cinematic Animator and Lead Online & Multiplayer SDE-IEB-Microsoft Studios Vancouver I think OXM jumped the gun by only looking at the multiplayer listing. Much like Halo, singleplayer and multiplayer designers are hired. *off to study again*

Thanks, I'll add this to the OP.

[HigherLevel]

Well...

Oh, well just going by the fact it says "using" and not "focusing on" or something like that, it will probably be more Mass Effect 3 type Kinect utilization than Rise of Nightmares.

[Liamario]

Brilliant, because we don't have enough shooters!

[TheOddOne]

Well...

Kinect was removed from subsequent listings, not even mentioned as something as a "plus" for the applicant. Previous mention of DX11 too, but that has changed too.

However, a gaffer did confirm that the project had gone next gen. Maby it has changed.

[B.O.O.M]

Well...

oh lol. This should be extremely good then

'eagerly awaits E3'

[UraMallas]

Bruter Force

Brute Force 2: Force Bruter

[donkey show]

F2P Halo incoming.

Halo Reach Around.

[sixteen-bit]

Shadowrun 2

Is there demand for that?

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

Oh, well just going by the fact it says "using" and not "focusing on" or something like that, it will probably be more Mass Effect 3 type Kinect utilization than Rise of Nightmares.

Sure, I don't think it will be a Kinect only experience, although it could still require Kinect, like Steel Battalion does. If it's still in the cards, that is.

Kinect was removed from subsequent listings, not even mentioned as something as a "plus" for the applicant. Previous mention of DX11 too, but that has changed too.

It was never mentioned in any job listings, just in that guy's resume.

[Arnie]

We must agree to disagree. It's your personal opinion. I was bringing up Metacritic because that's as detached from quality you can get in a discussion. I personally thought Gears 2 was horrible, but it's still considered excellent by the enthusiast press. Also I don't think merely funding is enough to be considered part of the creation of a title. Actual co-developing is great, but putting up marketing dollars does not qualify.

I agree with you that Gears 2 was a horrendous game, but that also backs up my point that metacritic is a poor way of evaluating games, especially multiplayer only ones that reviewers simply cannot properly evaluate from a purely logistical perspective.

In fact, the one game I left out that actually is a quality multiplayer title in the Sony stable is Warhawk. Similar to Shadowrun it's a multiplayer only title with a unique art style that was underrated by many people.

But seriously, Sony pumped millions and millions of dollars into Killzone and Resistance at a time when the genre was at it's most popular and they couldn't find a mass audience. I've played them both online extensively and they just dont compare to the likes of Halo, or Shadowrun. Similarly, although I love the franchise from a solo perspective I have a really hard time comparing Uncharted 2 multiplayer to Gears 1 or 3 (haven't tried U3 online, although I don't hear particularly good things).

My whole argument is, looking at their pedigree of funding excellent online shooters I don't see why there's so much doom and gloom in this thread. If it is an unoriginal bro shooter then fine, moan away, but the thought of having something of the calibre of a Halo, or a Gears, is exciting to me as a fan of top tier competitive multiplayer shooters.

[GuardianE]

This thread title made me laugh. Microsoft is always developing a AAA multiplayer shooter.

[7echnicolor]

Is there demand for that?

Yes.

Shadowrun is one of the most underrated games this generation.

[KageMaru]

This has to be a mistake, MS is only focusing on multi-media and ads, not games.

[TheOddOne]

It was never mentioned in any job listings, just in that guy's resume.

It was actually mentioned in the first wave of job listings, after that it never came up again.

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

It was actually mentioned in the first wave of job listings, after that it never came up again.

My mistake, then, I never saw those.

[Majanew]

For Xbox Durango, please.

[benny_a]

My whole argument is, looking at their pedigree of funding excellent online shooters I don't see why there's so much doom and gloom in this thread. If it is an unoriginal bro shooter then fine, moan away, but the thought of having something of the calibre of a Halo, or a Gears, is exciting to me as a fan of top tier competitive multiplayer shooters.

For you this announcement is great, because you love this genre. Not everyone shares your love though.

I can only speak for myself, but I'm over everything being a shooter. That doesn't mean I don't like the occasional shooter, but out of 10 AAA shooters released a year, I play one, maybe two.

I want other things by the companies that are known for big budgets.
I'm even fine if shooting is part of the gameplay, but it should not be a regular shooter.

[Arnie]

For Xbox Durango, please.

I'd like that too, and I think it's probably going to happen.

Unless Durango launches in early 2014 and this title's meant to fill the gap next fall. Although if they're hiring a multiplayer lead now there's probably not going to be enough time to get the game to ship in around a year and a half.

I can only speak for myself, but I'm over everything being a shooter. I want other things by the companies that are known for big budgets. I'm even fine if shooting is part of the gameplay, but it should not be a regular shooter. I Am Alive, a terrible game based on what I've read features shooting but is not a shooter. I'd rather have something like that than more FPS games. For you this announcement is great, because you love this genre. Not everyone shares your love though.

Oh, completely. If you're not a big fan of multiplayer shooters then I can't see this announcement doing anything for you.

Personally though, as someone who sees online competitive shooters as his go to genre this announcement is right up my alley. I also think it's unfair to write it off as 'just another shooter' before we've seen it. If it's as unique and effective as Gears was at the time, as Shadowrun and Warhawk were when they released, and if it's released on a next gen system it could be something to look forward to.

[InvincibleAgent]

PD2 please, I need a new title on XBOX to steal my life, I've been having too much fun lately

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

I Am Alive, a terrible game based on what I've read

I've mostly heard praise for it.

[Dunlop]

This thread makes me depressed that there will never be a sequel to Shadowrun.

Still ranks as my favorite multiplayer game this generation

[Man-is-Obsolete]

In other news Sony and Nintendo are also developing AAA multiplayer shooters for next gen.

[Arnie]

This thread makes me depressed that there will never be a sequel to Shadowrun. Still ranks as my favorite multiplayer game this generation

I didn't particularly fall in love with the art style or the lore, but from a purely mechanical perspective I'd say it's up there. I lost some love for it when one of the designers transferred some of it's mechanics over to Reach as part of his move to Bungie. It's a great competitive shooter though.

I'd say a spiritual sequel isn't out of the question at some point, although I don't think the brand's particularly strong in the genre.

[HigherLevel]

I didn't particularly fall in love with the art style or the lore, but from a purely mechanical perspective I'd say it's up there. I lost some love for it when one of the designers transferred some of it's mechanics over to Reach as part of his move to Bungie. It's a great competitive shooter though. I'd say a spiritual sequel isn't out of the question at some point, although I don't think the brand's particularly strong in the genre.

Halo: Reach bro ;)

[TucoBenedictoPacifico]

Why another shooter? I mean, sure many players on xbox love shooters, but c'mon. There is already halo, why not something different?

What do you suggest?

A Zelda-like.
Everyone likes Zelda-like games.

Is there demand for that?

Yes. Shadowrun is one of the most underrated games this generation.

...Which doesn't actually answer his question.

[Dunlop]

but from a purely mechanical perspective I'd say it's up there.

Yeah I should have been more clear, I love it for the mechanics and how your could dynamically change your configuration/playstyle.

The worst thing they did to this game was attach the shadowrun name to it, it had nothing to do with any of the lore and caused major backlash from those fans.

Sold at $30 and as a seperate IP and I'm sure we would have been on the third iteration by now

[SafeinSound]

Interested. MS needs more exclusive titles out of house.

[Heavy]

I love epic blockbuster shooters, both FPS and TPS. The more the merrier. I hope next-gen is filled to the brim with them, honestly. Just love the genre.

[GodfatherX]

Wasn't there a shadowrun kickstarter recently where the original's producer/director got funding to make a new Shadowrun? If that's the case then who truly owns the rights to the IP?

[alphaNoid]

Shadowrun 2

I would pay full price for a MP only Shadowrun 2. The first game was SO good and completely under rated.

[Arnie]

Halo: Reach bro ;)

I'm still in a state of disbelief with that one. I remember the podcast where Sage hyped up the bloom as this game changing mechanic, I suppose he wasn't wrong.

Yeah I should have been more clear, I love it for the mechanics and how your could dynamically change your configuration/playstyle. The worst thing they did to this game was attach the shadowrun name to it, it had nothing to do with any of the lore and caused major backlash from those fans. Sold at $30 and as a seperate IP and I'm sure we would have been on the third iteration by now

I agree. I loved the buying system too as a hangover from CS.

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

Wasn't there a shadowrun kickstarter recently where the original's producer/director got funding to make a new Shadowrun? If that's the case then who truly owns the rights to the IP?

Microsoft, but they licensed them to him some time ago since they had no immediate plans with the franchise.

[op_ivy]

wouldnt be the least bit surprised if this is MS's answer to CoD. there is a lot of money in "realistic" shooters. ideally it will be something apart from the other modern day shooters on the market. i would love to see something along the lines of the original ghost recon games or Operation Flashpoint/ArmA.

[Barrel Cannon]

Shadowrun 2 please (This is coming from a fan of the SNES/Genesis/old school RPG) The FPS was fantastic. If only it would have got a bit of post release support.

<3 that game despite the borked animations. The cross platform play was its strong and weak point though. If they do it again it will probably be only on one platform I think

[Hey You]

I really hope we start hearing about the projects that their new studios are working on at E3. Another shooting? Good, can't wait to see what it is.

[Haunted]

Next generation game please.

[monome]

As regards to the genre, shooters have proven effective as MP games and with Halo4 and ME3 we've barely reached the type of narritive driven shooters.

An ambitious shooter IP makes room for MP modes, books, toys, DLCs and possibly more.

In not so distant future Activision will have COD and Bungie's Destiny.

Having two shooters pretty much gurantees million sellers and will help in case Activision wants to play rough.

Microsoft has big plans for Halo, but they probably don t want to bet everything on it, nor risk franchise fatigue.

Makes the situation hard for Sony and Nintendo if shooters remain the template for success next-gen.

[Speedymanic]

Enough with the FPS games. MS have so many dormant IP's. They need to reboot Crimson Skies, Midtown Madness, Blast Corps, Jet Force Gemini, Outwars, Kung Fu Chaos, Freelancer and I'm sure I'm missing a few.

Why do they insist on sitting on these? Seriously pisses me off sometimes. :/

[Arnie]

Enough with the FPS games. MS have so many dormant IP's. They need to reboot Crimson Skies, Midtown Madness, Blast Corps, Jet Force Gemini, Outwars, Kung Fu Chaos, Freelancer and I'm sure I'm missing a few. Why do they insist on sitting on these? Seriously pisses me off sometimes. :/

Because they won't sell well enough to justify the cost.

[gaming_noob]

I just completed Deus Ex Human Revolution. I'm craving more futuristic FPS so Perfect Dark would be nice. Although it's going to be hard to beat Deus Ex.

[PSFan]

Don't make comments like this if you don't know what you are talking about. Phil Spencer has said multiple times that Halo isn't going to become annualized.

2007- Halo 3
2008- N/A
2009- Halo Wars and ODST
2010- Halo Reach
2011- Halo CEA
2012- Halo 4

Not being annualized. Right.

[Jake Tower]

Crimson Skies 2!

[Hey You]

2007- Halo 3 2008- N/A 2009- Halo Wars and ODST 2010- Halo Reach 2011- Halo CEA 2012- Halo 4 Not being annualized. Right.

I'm pretty sure he meant big releases, (like CoD and AC) not stuff like ODST and CEA.

I don't think we will be seeing any Halo games next year, there is only one studio working on Halo now.

[Speedymanic]

Because they won't sell well enough to justify the cost.

You're probably right, but they should take the risk. I think they'll be surprised by how well Crimson Skies 2 will do or a HD re-release of Blast Corps through XBLA.

Hell, release CS2 through XBLA as an episodic game to keep costs down, just don't sit in what are great IP's because they might not do well.

In fact, all the games I've mentioned are perfect for XBLA release. Do it, MS. I promise to buy 4 copies of each.

[DoctorWho]

Perfect Dark 2 would be great if someone could finally get it right. I was a huge fan of the original. Zero was a cute launch title with a lot of problems but I'd dismiss it as being in the same universe.

[Speedymanic]

2007- Halo 3 2008- N/A 2009- Halo Wars and ODST 2010- Halo Reach 2011- Halo CEA 2012- Halo 4 Not being annualized. Right.

If the games are of a consistently high quality, does it matter if there are annual releases?

Virtually all of the games you listed were of high quality (bar Halo Wars), so I don't see the problem.