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(05-13-2012, 11:35 PM)

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#51

I'm shocked that NBC renewed those low rated comedies. Why do that and then dump them on a Friday? Are syndication goals the reason?
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I'm feeling kinda retarded because I can't find the trailers for the NBC shows that everyone's talking about.
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(05-13-2012, 11:41 PM)

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#53

I hear that Go On, Save Me, 1600 Penn, Animal Practice, The New Normal, Partners, Mindy, and The Goodwin Games are all good times. ABC apparently has no new comedies worth checking out besides maybe How to Live.

It's looking like the ABC comedies are so meh that they might keep their Wednesday schedule the same. Jury's out, but we'll see.
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#54

Revolution, Zero Hour, and The Following are the three that peak my interest the most. 666 Park Ave. looks alright, with Terry O'Quinn it shouldn't be too bad but I'm always skeptic of supernatural stuff at the outset.

All the comedies as a whole kind of suck as write-ups...the characters/show in motion is what grabs me for comedies so I'm out to lunch on basically all of them...1600 Penn and Animal Practice are the only two that grabbed me as possibly interesting from just the write-ups.
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#55

A lot of these series' descriptions read like parodies, especially the comedies. They're just a normal, wacky family, but their dad is....THE PRESIDENT! This fall!

There's a couple shows in this list I'll keep an eye on but probably none I'm excited about to commit to at the moment.

Is there anything like this for cable (AMC/Showtime/HBO)? It'd be nice to have a list like this of what they're putting out through this year.
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Originally Posted by Emerson: View Post
A lot of these series' descriptions read like parodies, especially the comedies. They're just a normal, wacky family, but their dad is....THE PRESIDENT! This fall!

There's a couple shows in this list I'll keep an eye on but probably none I'm excited about to commit to at the moment.

Is there anything like this for cable (AMC/Showtime/HBO)? It'd be nice to have a list like this of what they're putting out through this year.
Cable (fortunately for life, unfortunately for thread making) operates on a yearly schedule. It's harder to aggregate that information, plus the lack of the rat race for pilot season makes it a unique beast. If I see cable stuff I'll try to post it here.
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Originally Posted by Emerson: View Post
Is there anything like this for cable (AMC/Showtime/HBO)? It'd be nice to have a list like this of what they're putting out through this year.
HBO has their roadmap planned out for a few years in advance, so you can just check their Wikipedia article to see. Showtime also has their development sketched out for a while, ditto there. AMC is very small fry; They've done something that they call a "script bake-off" a few times. Again Wikipedia can give you some info on the scripts they're working on.

A cable network launches about a quarter the number of shows as a broadcast network, and spread across the entire year. So it's pretty easy to keep track of cable :)
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Rumors of Glee to Thursdays, Touch to Fridays on Fox. Link

Decent move for Glee, but I think Fox should have just canceled Touch if they were going to dump it on Fridays. Seems like a waste of money when you can just use cheap reality to lead in to Fringe.
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A really good NYT article on the failure rate of network television

I'll be doing some percentages and stuff tonight, assuming that Rules of Engagements gets renewed (which I think it will - also, how fitting that it is literally the last show renewed or canceled? Perfect).

EDIT: From the other thread, updated (NOTE: All of this data assumes that Rules of Engagement will be renewed)


As a testament to how poor last year was, there are more shows going into their fourth season then those renewed for their third:

- Happy Endings
- Body of Proof
- Blue Bloods
- Hawaii Five-0
- Mike & Molly
- Nikita
- Raising Hope

- The Middle
- Modern Family
- NCIS: LA
- The Good Wife
- The Vampire Diaries
- Glee
- Community
- Cougar Town (tips the scales, TBS)

Besides CBS, only three shows have been canceled that weren't freshman shows - Harry's Law, Breaking In, and House (Chuck and House are different, because Chuck's fate was decided last year when it was renewed for a final season). Two of those shows were second year shows. Every other show that wasn't a freshman was renewed. CBS will change this, likely canceling one of the CSIs. Rules of Engagement remains on the bubble but looks good.

In terms of renewals, this freshman class far exceeds last year's. Last year, only 9 freshman shows made it to a second season, with two already canceled. This year, 14 shows have made the cut for a second season:

- Don't Trust the B---- in Apartment 23
- Last Man Standing
- Once Upon a Time
- Scandal
- Revenge
- Suburgatory
- 2 Broke Girls
- Person of Interest
- Hart of Dixie
- New Girl
- Touch
- Grimm
- Smash
- Up All Night
- Whitney

However, it is predominately untested first year shows that get kicked to the curb. 26 first year shows were canceled this year.

This is also the time in five years that a non-CBS multi cam was renewed for a second season. We had two this year, Whitney and Last Man Standing.
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NBC: 4 out of 11 freshman shows renewed
Fox: 2 out of 7 freshman shows renewed
ABC: 6 out of 12 freshman shows renewed
CBS: 2 out of 6 freshman shows renewed
the CW: 1 out of 3 freshman shows renewed

Total: 15 out of 39 (38.4%)

NBC: 0 out of 1 sophomore show renewed
Fox: 1 out of 2 sophomore shows renewed
ABC: 2 out of 2 sophomore shows renewed
CBS: 3 out of 3 sophomore shows renewed
the CW: 1 out of 1 sophomore shows renewed

Total: 7 out of 9 sophomore shows renewed (77.7%)

Last year: 9 out of 36 freshman shows renewed (25%)
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New unscripted shows on NBC:

Howie Mandel's White Elephant

From Howie Mandel comes an exciting new game show based on one of the most wildly popular holiday party games in America. A contestant selects a box from a warehouse full of unmarked packages containing millions of dollars in prizes, showing what's inside to the others. Then, the next player is faced with a potentially life-changing dilemma: do they steal a prize that has already been revealed, or do they take a chance with another unopened box, hoping what's inside is worth more?

But that's just the beginning. When there are only two contestants left, Howie will reveal what's inside the boxes and give the players a choice: share... or steal. If both players choose to share, they will each keep the prizes they have won in the prior rounds. If one player shares and the other steals, the player that chose to steal will go home with all the prizes. But if both choose to steal, they both go home with nothing! The stakes are insanely high as each contestant grapples with the choice of a lifetime... and the white elephant in the room.

Ready for Love

Executive Producer Eva Longoria ("Desperate Housewives") is inviting eligible women across America to participate and find out how easy it can be to find true love. In the first Facebook partnership of its kind, women can log on to http://www.Facebook.com/NBCReadyForLove and apply to participate in the experience of a lifetime. Longoria hand selected three successful and handsome men who are committed to finding the right women with whom to share their lives. Ben Patton, a financier from Dallas, Texas; Tim Lopez, a musician from Santa Barbara, California and Ernesto Arguello, a philanthropist from Miami, Florida will vie for the chance to find true love. In order to find their ideal partners, Longoria has enlisted the help of the three best matchmakers in the world.

The series begins with the matchmakers' nationwide search for the potential perfect mate for each man, and then launches into a romantic journey that will combine in-studio competition and reality show elements. Each week, the women who fail to make a connection with the men will be sent home. In an intense finale, the quest for love culminates when the three men choose their final three women who together must decide if they'll get engaged, married, or simply live happily ever after. No matter what happens, they will all discover if they are really "Ready for Love."

"Ready for Love" is produced by Renegade 83, UnbeliEVAble Entertainment and Universal Television. Eva Longoria ("Desperate Housewives"), Jason Ehrlich ("The Bachelor," "The Bachelorette"), Greg Goldman ("Secret Millionaire," "Don't Forget the Lyrics!"), David Garfinkle ("Blind Date," "The 5th Wheel") and Jay Renfroe ("Blind Date," "The 5th Wheel") serve as executive producers.

Surprise with Jenny McCarthy

Some of the most memorable and meaningful moments in life come in the form of wonderful surprises. Now, actress/comedienne and best-selling author Jenny McCarthy is on a mission to surprise America in this new feel-good series.

Whether it's an emotional rollercoaster, a heartfelt thank you, a hero's reward or a slightly devilish prank with a happy ending, Jenny will act as ringleader, cheerleader, head instigator and master of ceremonies to give people the surprise of their lives. We'll get to know the stories of everyone involved, making the pay-offs even more personal and more special.

Each episode will also feature celebrity surprises, musical performances and several great eye-opening events that take place both in front of a live studio audience and across the nation. With a hilarious, irreverent streak, "Surprise with Jenny McCarthy" is designed to be both heartwarming and spectacular, but above all... surprising!

(NOTE: If Jenny McCarthy wanted to surprise American with something nice, maybe she'll admit she was wrong for weakening children's health with her anti-vaccination bullshit)

Stars Earn Stripes

The TV cop who wants to prove he can handle a gun in real life. The athlete making the transition from field to battlefield. The singer who wants to show how well she can perform under a different kind of pressure.

In this fierce, entertaining and emotionally charged new competition honoring America's armed forces, nine celebrities will gather at a secret training facility where they will be challenged to execute complicated missions inspired by real military exercises. From helicopter drops into treacherous locations to long range weapons fire, these stars will be tested physically, mentally and emotionally - and emerge in awe of the men and women who do such tasks on behalf of our country every day.

From executive producers Dick Wolf ("Law & Order" franchise), Mark Burnett ("Survivor," "The Voice") and David Hurwitz ("Fear Factor"), this extraordinary show will donate money raised through the competition to veterans' charities. Committed to hiring recent vets onto the crew, "Stars Earn Stripes" hopes to inspire other employers throughout the country to make similar commitments to our returning heroes, not to mention proving how impossible their service missions really are.

Also, the Canadian Import this summer is...

Saving Hope

"Saving Hope" is a new, hour-long original drama series that stars Erica Durance ("Smallville"), Michael Shanks ("Stargate Atlantis"), Daniel Gillies ("The Vampire Diaries"), Huse Madhavji ("Combat Hospital," "Star!" "Daily"), Julia Taylor-Ross ("Rookie Blue"), and Kristopher Turner ("Rookie Blue," "The Listener"). The series is from acclaimed Gemini Award-winning producers Ilana Frank and David Wellington ("The Eleventh Hour," "Would Be Kings," "Rookie Blue").

In "Saving Hope," when charismatic Chief of Surgery Charlie Harris (Shanks) at Hope-Zion Hospital ends up in a coma, he leaves the hospital in chaos - and his fiancee and fellow surgeon, Alex Reid (Durance), in a state of shock. Along with newly arrived star surgeon, Joel Goran (Gillies), Reid races to save Harris' life. As the action unfolds, the comatose Harris explores the hospital halls in "spirit" form, not sure if he's a ghost or a figment of his own imagination. Reid, along with her fellow doctors, press on to save his life and those of their other patients as they deal with the complicated and courageous decisions that are made in their daily struggle to keep hope alive.

"Saving Hope" is produced by Ilana C. Frank Films (ICFF) with Entertainment One (eOne), in association with CTV and NBC. The series is executive produced by Ilana Frank and David Wellington for ICFF, Noreen Halpern ("Hell on Wheels," "Call Me Fitz") and John Morayniss ("The Firm," "Haven") for Entertainment One and Lesley Harrison. Executive producers and showrunners are Morwyn Brebner ("Rookie Blue") and Aaron Martin ("Being Erica"). The series was created by Malcolm MacRury ("Crash and Burn," "Republic of Doyle") and Morwyn Brebner. David Wellington directed the pilot.

Official website here
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Originally Posted by KevinCow: View Post
I'm feeling kinda retarded because I can't find the trailers for the NBC shows that everyone's talking about.
http://www.nbc.com/upcoming-shows/


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Also, the Canadian Import this summer is...

Saving Hope

[...]

In "Saving Hope," when charismatic Chief of Surgery Charlie Harris (Shanks) at Hope-Zion Hospital ends up in a coma, he leaves the hospital in chaos - and his fiancee and fellow surgeon, Alex Reid (Durance), in a state of shock. Along with newly arrived star surgeon, Joel Goran (Gillies), Reid races to save Harris' life. As the action unfolds, the comatose Harris explores the hospital halls in "spirit" form, not sure if he's a ghost or a figment of his own imagination. Reid, along with her fellow doctors, press on to save his life and those of their other patients as they deal with the complicated and courageous decisions that are made in their daily struggle to keep hope alive.
So, none of the main characters are actually named Hope? Huh! (I still want to see Ice Cream Cohen some day.)
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#62

Was hoping someone would make an OT for this.
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The New York Magazine is doing a TV issue. Here are some of the great articles:

TV is not TV Anymore: A revolution in how we watch was just the start. Now comes the good stuff.

Meth Whiz: Aaron Paul is even more huggable than the junkie he plays on Breaking Bad.

The Do-Over: How Happy Endings lived up to its name.

The New Girls: Six female showrunners on why TV just keeps getting better.

Charlie Sheen's 100 Episodes

More are coming. But I do think this quote about Whitney is interesting (and probably true, to an extent):

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Whitney, your eponymous show took a particularly ­brutal beating by the press.

Whitney Cummings.: Critics do not particularly like multi-cams, but they are the most watched [sitcoms] in the country, so there’s just a little disconnect there, I think. But yeah, back to how people hate me. [Laughs.] I actually think a lot of it had to do with not the actual show [Whitney], but with the promotion of the show. I think my show was very supported, and I’m so grateful for it. But the promotions were, “I’m like every man’s worst fucking nightmare!” And it’s just like, “Oh, that girl. She’s like my girlfriend at her worst.” So before people had actually seen the show, I think a lot of decisions were made about it.

Liz Meriwether: People don’t sort of inherently think of women as funny, so there’s kind of a little bit of reeducation that some of this marketing has to do. The marketing has to explain what’s funny about the woman or put a word on. Like adorkable.
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#64

Ok, I saw the clip of The New Normal and I kinda want to watch it even though it is a Ryan Murphy show (I keep watching Glee out of habit by now, tbh.)

Also, I hope Matthew Perry's character in The Good Wife isn't written out completely now that he has a new show. He was awesome on TGW.
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From NBC, only Revolution looks kind of okay. But even then the trailer reminds me too much of Terra Nova and that's not a pleasant reminder. The rest looks meh to Godawful. Good luck with those lineup, NBC!

I am not sure about the rest. Only interested in Arrow, 666 Park Ave, Cult, and Mistresses (WHAT? I need some guilty pleasure shows).
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Haven't had the time to read the script yet, but from the trailer, Revolution looks like Terra Nova without dinosaurs.

Animal Practice could be fun, I guess, mostly because I like Justin Kirk. Other than that, uh, no thanks.
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Originally Posted by Replicant: View Post
From NBC, only Revolution looks kind of okay. But even then the trailer reminds me too much of Terra Nova and that's not a pleasant reminder. The rest looks meh to Godawful. Good luck with those lineup, NBC!

I am not sure about the rest. Only interested in Arrow, 666 Park Ave, Cult, and Mistresses (WHAT? I need some guilty pleasure shows).
I would really, really, really urge you to deflate any hype you have for Arrow.

Originally Posted by Sloane: View Post
Haven't had the time to read the script yet, but from the trailer, Revolution looks like Terra Nova without dinosaurs.

Animal Practice could be fun, I guess, mostly because I like Justin Kirk. Other than that, uh, no thanks.
Beyond production values, there's nothing similar at all with T-Nova and Revolution. Revolution's a found family traveling story, ala Supernatural. Actually, it's a post-apocalyptic Supernatural.

Animal Practice could be alright because of the Russo Brothers, but I'm eh at the moment. The clips for Go On, New Normal, 1600 Penn, and Save Me got more laughs from me.
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Thanks for the insight and effort ivysaur12. When I get back from university (maybe a little bit during courses hehe) I have to carefully read all the articles and plan my 2013 TV schedule accordingly.
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NBC: 4 out of 11 freshman shows renewed
Fox: 2 out of 7 freshman shows renewed
ABC: 6 out of 12 freshman shows renewed
CBS: 2 out of 6 freshman shows renewed
the CW: 1 out of 3 freshman shows renewed
2 Broke Girls and Person of Interest were the only new CBS shows that were renewed? Wow, I got super lucky then choosing PoI as a freshman show to watch.
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Revolution: :O Looks pretty damn awesome. Looks like it has a huge budget (which reminds me of Terra Nova in that respect, although it doesn't look like they raided the local Ikea store for set ideas); environments remind me of Enslaved (which is one of the only good things about that game) meets the Hunger Games. Cool logo too.

I did get some Event and Flashforward vibes though...
hopefully Revolution goes through... Event and FF were almost great shows.
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All of the comparisons between Terra Nova and Revolution are bizarre.
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Originally Posted by ivysaur12: View Post

Beyond production values, there's nothing similar at all with T-Nova and Revolution. Revolution's a found family traveling story, ala Supernatural. Actually, it's a post-apocalyptic Supernatural.
uh, it looks nothing like Supernatural at all.. hopefully.

It looks like the Postman and hopefully it will be mixed with good sides of Walking Dead rather than Supernatural, Terra Nova or Falling Skys.

Looks like that girl from Californication did get around, but preview looks horrible. Maybe 2 other shows look like they have a chance, rest is awful.
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Quote:
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An inquisitive young female production assistant (Jessica Lucas)
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I would really, really, really urge you to deflate any hype you have for Arrow.
Damn it. How bad is it? Lemme think CW shows....uh, Secret Circle bad (which is not too bad from the episodes I've seen) or Ringer awful?
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great thread <3 nice having all the info in one area

and what the hell... nene leaks is actually getting roles... what have you done glee
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I have not watched Supernatural, but it has a large procedural aspect right? Does Revolution have anything like that in it? Not that I hate procedurals, but I was liking the idea of it being more serialized. Not sure if this question can even be answered.

You read anything on Cult ivy? I like the cast and the premise sounds sort of interesting.
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Damn it. How bad is it? Lemme think CW shows....uh, Secret Circle bad (which is not too bad from the episodes I've seen) or Ringer awful?
Considering what the CW let Smallville get away with, I don't see why you think Ringer is the floor on badness potential.
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Bill Pullman as President??? Holy shit, I guess I have to watch. You got me NBC you bastards.
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I have not watched Supernatural, but it has a large procedural aspect right?
Not at all. It's very much serialised with many of the individual cases linking into the series story arc. Kinda like Fringe in a lot of ways, it also has a lot of standalone plots that lead into the overarching mystery.
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Guys With Kids "Totally Dadass"

It's like some of these shows are destined to fail.
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Guys With Kids "Totally Dadass"

It's like some of these shows are destined to fail.
I could actually see that show succeeding on TBS or maybe CBS or ABC as well. But NBC is in a no-win situation: the mainstream won't watch their "smart" comedies and they won't watch their broad, crass, mediocre ones either.
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The Following and Vegas look like the standouts to me. Vegas has a killer cast and I think James Mangold is directing the pilot. I'll give Revolution a try too.
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The Following and Vegas look like the standouts to me. Vegas has a killer cast and I think James Mangold is directing the pilot.
Yeah, The Following is pretty good and Vegas looks like it could be cool, too, if people watch it at CBS. I'll also give 666 Park Ave and Last Resort a shot -- the latter sounded a bit more interesting than the pilot actually seems to be but I trust in Shawn Ryan.
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Considering what the CW let Smallville get away with, I don't see why you think Ringer is the floor on badness potential.
I didn't watch much of Smallville but from what I remember it wasn't too bad. And at least it served its intention as pseudo superhero series. Ringer, OTOH, was so damn boring it's unbearable. To me that makes the show worse since it couldn't even reach what it was aimimg for: a thriller series. Revenge is the series Ringer aspires to be but Ringer couldn't even be half as interesting as Revenge.
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RE: Saving Hope

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Executive producers and showrunners are Morwyn Brebner ("Rookie Blue") and Aaron Martin ("Being Erica"). The series was created by Malcolm MacRury ("Crash and Burn," "Republic of Doyle") and Morwyn Brebner
That's a good production team. Rookie Blue, Being Erica, and Republic of Doyle are all great shows. But Saving Hope's premise sounds stupid. I saw the trailer a few months ago and thought it was a direct-to-dvd movie. Hopefully the strong cast and production team can salvage it.

From the NYT article, I disagree with this:
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The Web, too, may point to a better way. Netflix commissioned new episodes of the canceled Fox sitcom “Arrested Development” in part because its internal data demonstrated that the old episodes remained popular among its users. The data is far more precise than the Nielsen television ratings can be.
The problem with Nielsen data isn't lack of accuracy. It can be as accurate or inaccurate as you want. The problem is that Nielsen ratings drive ad rates. A show that advertisers won't pay for is a show that isn't getting renewed.

Netflix can recoup its production costs with a much smaller headcount than Fox could have, since they're asking "Does this encourage people to give us 7.99 a month" (IE do the people who watch this love it? are there other substitutes? does the viewership rate change over time or do people continue going back to old stuff?) while Fox has to ask "Does this encourage advertisers to give us 7.99 a month" (IE how many demo viewers got caught in our fly trap)

If Nielsens were exactly 1:1 correct and gave perfect headcounts, it wouldn't have changed Arrested Development's fate. DVRs, downloading, and DVDs weren't an issue when the show aired live, so the data would have shown the exact same thing--very few people watched Arrested Development.

Beyond that I obviously agree with the article that it's a wasteful process. I continue to disagree with the idea that cancellations are problematic or sympathetic--yes, good shows get cancelled, but so do bad shows. There's a limited amount of space on the air, and a situation where How to Be a Gentleman gets coddled into a long life rather than freeing up that timeslot for literally anything else is not a good situation. The problematic thing is that How to Be a Gentleman was ordered to series or even to pilot. I like Hornsby and he's a real talent, especially in Joe Schmo Show and It's Always Sunny, but that was not a good show. I'm sure CBS had better scripts they could have ordered to pilot and better pilots they could have ordered to series. That's the tragedy.
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Hmhm Amy Huberman in Animal Practice ... I hope that doesn'conflict with her role in Threesome.
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Trying really hard to capture Modern Family's continuing success will not get me excited, networks. We'll see.
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I'm literally out the door to work, but I'll update more when I get there. For now, FOX:


MONDAY
"Bones," 8:00 p.m. ET

* "The Mob Doctor," 9:00 p.m. ET

* "The Following," (midseason) TBD

TUESDAY
"Raising Hope," 8:00 p.m. ET

* "Ben and Kate," 8:30 p.m. ET

"New Girl," 9:00 p.m. ET

* "The Mindy Project," 9:30 p.m. ET

* "The Goodwin Games," (midseason) TBD

WEDNESDAY
"The X Factor," 8:00 p.m. ET

"American Idol," 8:00 p.m. ET (midseason)

THURSDAY
"The X Factor," Results 8:00 p.m. ET

"American Idol," Results 8:00 p.m. ET (midseason)

"Glee," 9 p.m. ET

FRIDAY
"Touch," 8:00 p.m. ET

"Fringe," 9:00 p.m. ET

"Hell's Kitchen," (midseason) TBD

SATURDAY
"Fox Sports Saturday," 7:00 p.m. ET

"Cops," (midseason) TBD

"Animation Domination High-Def," (Late 2013) TDB

SUNDAY
"NFL Game," 7:00 p.m. ET

"Animation Domination," 7:00 p.m. ET

"The OT," 7:30 p.m. ET

"The Cleveland Show", 7:30 p.m. ET

"The Simpsons," 8:00 p.m. ET

"Bob's Burgers," 8:30 p.m. ET

"Family Guy," 9:00 p.m. ET

"American Dad," 9:30 p.m. ET
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#89

Well the Deadline rumors from yesterday were exactly right about Fox. Glee should do alright on Thursdays, but it looks like Touch will be two and done. Moving to Fridays is going to strangle the tiny bit of life it has left in it. I'm still not sure why Fox renewed it just to dump it on Fridays.
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Cerebral Assassin
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(05-14-2012, 03:23 PM)

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#90

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The Family Tools

Based on the British format, revolves around a man (Kyle Bornheimer) who is forced to put his dreams on hold in order to take over the family handyman business from his father (J.K. Simmons).
I can't believe someone paid to remake White Van Man, it's not very good (although JK Simmons is a good bit of casting for the father).
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(05-14-2012, 03:57 PM)
#91

Chicago Fire and Do No Harm seemed weirdly familiar to me and I just couldn't place why. Then it struck me, aren't these shows just Trauma and Own Worst Enemy all over again? Two shows that were supposed to do wonders for NBC and ended up being expensive disasters?

But Revolution feels as though it has real potential to break out for NBC (and by break out I mean get a 1.8/2.0 which would make it a hit by NBC's standards) given that it's airing after The Voice. Also the pedigree of Kripke (or the creator of Supernatural as he'll be billed) and Abrams should at lest bring in an audience for the pilot.

But I wonder if this show will fall into the classic 'big pilot syndrome' that effects so many shows, Pushing Daisies being one example. An expensive pilot with an 'A-list' director that looks great but, owing to the demands of a 22 episode order, fails to recreate that scale and scope on the weekly show.

We'll see but I hope that this hits for NBC as nothing else they have looks promising in the slightest for the upcoming season.
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#92

Is it just me or is Fox' schedule even worse than NBC's? And The Following at mid-season, ugh...
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#93

Originally Posted by Sloane: View Post
Is it just me or is Fox' schedule even worse than NBC's? And The Following at mid-season, ugh...
It has to be.

This is now confirmed - 30 Rock's FINAL SEASON.
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#94

NBC’s ‘The Voice’ To Return On Sept. 9

It’s Official: NBC Announces Pirate Series From Neil Cross, Parkes/MacDonald And Reliance

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NBC today announced a 10-episode pirate drama series written by Luther creator Neil Cross and produced by feature producers Walter Parkes and Laurie MacDonald, who have a first-look deal with the network. The project, titled Crossbones, hails from Georgeville Television, an independent TV studio formed recently by producer and former Heyday Films executive Marc Rosen (Harry Potter), and Motion Picture Capital, the finance arm of Reliance Entertainment. It will center on legendary English pirate Blackbeard. The series is based on the book The Republic Of Pirates by Colin Woodard. Set during the 10-year “Golden Age of Piracy” from 1715 to 1725, it follows some of the world’s most notorious pirates as they forge their own rogue nation, called New Providence, which became the first democracy in the Americas.
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#95

What has happened to Mockingbird Lane, the Munsters reboot from Bryan Fuller? Did it not get picked up?
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What has happened to Mockingbird Lane, the Munsters reboot from Bryan Fuller? Did it not get picked up?
Bryan Fuller is focusing on Hannibal at the moment. Mockingbird Lane is still in development, I think, for summer/fall 2013.
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#97

Damn, I thought Mockingbird Lane/Munsters was supposed to come this fall or next spring.

Why did FOX give the Friday Night Death Sentence to Touch?
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#98

Are there trailers for FOX's new shows yet?
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Originally Posted by TripOpt55: View Post
Are there trailers for FOX's new shows yet?
Should be out tonight.

Sorry guys - I'll update the OP when I get a free second.
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Originally Posted by TripOpt55: View Post
Are there trailers for FOX's new shows yet?
5 Eastern give or take a half an hour.