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(05-14-2012, 07:35 PM)
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Pirates of the caribbean/Transformers are the new Indiana Jones/Star Wars?
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Over the past few weeks, I have heard some people who I somewhat respect when it comes to movies say that Transformers has been greatly influential to modern big-budget action films like Star Wars was in the late 1970s. Specifically, the remarks were to sound and scope, but the general sentiment I think apply. Also, in this weeks weekend box office thread, someone posted the top 12 movies to make $1 billion worldwide, and three of the 12 were Pirates of the Caribbean movies and the Transformers movies.
Now, the only Transformer movie I have seen is the first one, and I thought it was awful. I thought the action was incoherent, the acting atrocious, and the direction of Michael Bay always laughable (I also hate The Rock. I don't think he has made one good movie). And, I have also only seen the first Pirates of the Caribbean movie, but I remember almost nothing about it, outside of The Keith Richards impersonation that was Johnny Depp, and that reference to the dog with the keys in his mouth in the prison cell that is featured on the amusement park ride. I still hold great respect for the first Indiana Jones, the Raiders of the lost Ark, but I think the rest of the Indiana Jones movies continue to decrease in quality with the fourth one being the absolute worst. Also, outside of the Empire Strikes Back, I don't think any of the Star Wars films are that good. I think George Lucas as a filmmaker is somewhat of a hack, starting at THX 1138, American graffiti, the first Star Wars, and the prequel. So, my experience with the new Transformers movies and the Pirates of the Caribbean movies is greatly limited, and outside of Raiders and the Empire Strikes Back, I don't hold much regard to the Indiana Jones movies and the Star Wars movies. With that said, do you believe that the Pirates of the Caribbean and the transformer movies are popular and good enough to be considered the Indiana Jones and the Star Wars movies for a new generation? And, do you think the first three Pirates of the Caribbean movie hold up, and are worth re-watching/revisiting? |
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(05-14-2012, 07:39 PM)
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#9
For one thing, Star Wars and Indiana Jones are on two separate levels of influence. And the original Star Wars was pretty much a film revolution when it first came out in the 70s. Transformers and Pirates of the Caribbean are high grossing summer flicks but that's pretty much it. I would actually say Spider-man (2002) was far more influential than both.
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(05-14-2012, 07:39 PM)
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#10
The new Star Wars are the prequels and new Indiana Jones movies are the Uncharted games.
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Motherfucking dumbshit member
(05-14-2012, 07:42 PM)
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#13
Originally Posted by Mr. Serious Business:
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(05-14-2012, 07:46 PM)
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#16
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Originally Posted by Dreams-Visions:
Originally Posted by Divvy:
And I guess, I should refine this, since people are taking this literally and comparing the Uncharted games to the Indiana Jones trilogy. I am saying that what the Indiana Jones movies were to the action adventure genre, and what Star Wars was to a reinvention of both special effects, sound mixing and editing, and story presentation, that they are analogous to Transformers. |
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(05-14-2012, 07:51 PM)
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#20
Mass Effect is the new Star Wars especially if Uncharted is the new Indiana Jones.
Seriously, we haven't had a good space opera movie series since Star Wars (not counting the Star Trek movies). Note I say movie so one cannot count something like Babylon 5 either. We need another Star Wars type of film series. Something grandiose! And if I were to compare any movie series right now to being Star Wars, I would have to say The Matrix, even though that's a dead franchise.... at least at this point. |
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(05-14-2012, 07:53 PM)
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#21
I don't think they will have leave such a long impression as those older titles, I sure don't hope so. POTC is fun enough, but it does not have the appealing world or a main character that is easily recognizable for people and will most likely not be remembered that long.
Well, unless there keep coming sequels of course. And Transformers is just bad and if you only look at how much money the movies made Twilight and Harry Potter will apparently also leave an impression. |
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(05-14-2012, 07:54 PM)
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#22
The thing to remember is that both Indiana Jones and Star Wars engrained themselves in pop culture. People are still making references to these movies 25-30 years later.
I think Pirates of the Carribbean will achieve that, to a small extent, thanks mostly to Johnny Depp's performance. But Transformers is a series of shitty popcorn flicks that will be mostly forgotten in 30 years. |
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(05-14-2012, 08:01 PM)
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#25
Originally Posted by Edmond Dantès:
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(05-14-2012, 08:05 PM)
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#30
Originally Posted by brianmcdoogle:
Last edited by kame-sennin; 05-14-2012 at 08:09 PM.
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(05-14-2012, 08:05 PM)
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#32
Originally Posted by gutshot:
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(05-14-2012, 08:07 PM)
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#34
No.
Harry Potter and The LotR / Hobbit films are in that strata. And as much as it kills me, I mean it agonizes me to say this... Avatar. Avatar had a massive buzz, people lined up to see it over and over, huge fan movement, and the sequel(s) will draw an absolutely crazy level of hype at that Star Wars / Indy level of days gone by. |
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(05-14-2012, 08:09 PM)
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#39
Originally Posted by gutshot:
Now, I am not trying to suggest that the Avengers is a bad movie, or that it is of the same quality of Transformers, but the sound, both mixing and effects, and the way the action is shot, all seem like big influences from Transformers. |
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contribute something
(05-14-2012, 08:11 PM)
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#42
Although it's sad, they certainly are. Not many people have noticed yet, but Pirates of the Caribbean and Transformers have changed much about the way films look and, as critic Lindsay Ellis pointed out, the way films sound.
Hans Zimmer set the standard for film soundtracks in 2003, with the release of Curse of the Black Pearl. If there are three or four great songs with memorable melodies, the rest of the soundtrack can just be a simple chord progression that adds tension, enhances the mood, or tells the audience how to react. Sound effects, too, are different. In Transformers, they were usually much louder than the dialogue, and sometimes drowned out the character's voices, in an attempt to highlight the action. Both films have revolutionized the way action scenes are filmed, but it's too early to tell if that's a blessing or a curse. The "Transformers effect" is a notion mimicked by The Hunger Games, Battle LA, The Avengers, Clash of the Titans, and other summer blockbusters in which, because of shaky cam and quick transitions, you can't tell which characters are fighting. In the aforementioned 2010 remake of the Harryhausen classic, many fight scenes, particularly the Scorpion battle, are so shaky and blurry that all you can see are human figures attacking a monster. This was directly inspired by a very similar sequence in Michael Bay's first Transformers movie, which featured a practically identical monster. However, this new style, though usually annoying, could be done well. A fight scene like this is a bit more real. For example, in the excellently-directed Cornucopia scene of The Hunger Games, the quick transitions, blurriness, and shaky camera created a sense of urgency and reality that wasn't achieved by either Transformers or Clash of the Titans. Though Pirates of the Caribbean arguably renewed the idea of a summer blockbuster season, Transformers was much more influential. Given how his films have told studios that well-developed characters, an adequate story, and original visual design aren't needed to make money, Michael Bay is in many ways this generation's Spielberg. He'll certainly be in film textbooks, and his legacy shall live on for decades, for better or for worse. |
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LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
(05-14-2012, 08:14 PM)
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#46
Originally Posted by Valhelm:
I also think its kinda funny that ILM is a key contributor to the 4 movies in question (SW/IJ/POTC/Trans) despite the 30+ year gap. |
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MBA in pussy licensing and rights management
(05-14-2012, 08:14 PM)
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#47
Originally Posted by brianmcdoogle:
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(05-14-2012, 08:15 PM)
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#49
Originally Posted by Willy105:
Nothing against Pirates or Transformers, I just don't believe they have had anywhere near as much impact on the film industry or culture in general.
Last edited by Mr. Serious Business; 05-14-2012 at 08:17 PM.
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(05-14-2012, 08:16 PM)
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#50
Originally Posted by brianmcdoogle:
Anyway, I believe that for something to be considered the next Star Wars, it would need to do more than just innovate some technical aspects of film-making. It needs to be a cultural touchstone as well, and Transformers is far from that. Lord of the Rings, as others have mentioned, is much closer.
Last edited by gutshot; 05-14-2012 at 08:19 PM.
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