[Blast Processing]

I do not approve of the direction this thread is taking. I do not approve, I tell you.

Really, why must we do this? Why, people? Why?

[HiddenWings]

There's no point arguing, since both these chumps gonna hit the motherfucking floor when Heroes of Ruin comes out. :D :| :/ (I'll still buy you HoR, if only because my laptop restarts at even the thought of running Diablo 3)

Aw. I'll still get Heroes of Ruin because I can play it on my commute. I'm not sure when I'm going to get Torchlight, despite loving the first. Probably eventually, but not Day 1 like it would have been if it came out before D3.

[fuzzyreactor]

what in the fuck is Heroes of Ruin

[Kifimbo]

Pretty sure the author could do the same article for Diablo III, wirte about 5 areas where Diablo III is/will be better than Torchlight 2. Here he's just making the case for Torchlight 2, probably because it's a small, less-known game.

[Fine Ham Abounds]

I'm hoping Dancing Viv is too incredible to ban. At least, just this once.

[Blast Processing]

what in the fuck is Heroes of Ruin

probably another F2P MOBA

[fuzzyreactor]

probably another F2P MOBA

just looked it up, some 3DS game by the developers that gave us such classics as Hannah Montana: The Movie, TRON: Evolution, and Mary-Kate and Ashley: Sweet 16 – Licensed to Drive among other classics.

[Izick]

Funny as hell but come on Noid. :s

[Blizzard]

Personally most or all of those reasons are valid for me, and I think I already preordered Torchlight 2, bought Torchlight, and have basically no interest in Diablo III.

But then again, I think the only Blizzard and/or Activision game I've ever ever played was Starcraft 1 (plus a very brief attempt at the WoW trial, oh and a couple of SC II beta games).

[Easy_D]

Grim Dawn will never come out.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...n/posts/224929

But it's funded?

[gryz]

So radical. I hate these 'Forbes' blog posts, there are always so pandering to places like reddit where people like to think they're different and smarter.

definitely agree here, this article specifically seems geared towards baiting the reddit crowd.

[akilshohen]

getout.gif

Fresh Prince in Bel Air.

I thought it was a different world for a sec there.

[perryfarrell]

Why is it that those shitty blogs on under the Forbes umbrella always get their own OPs?

These are not written by paid journalists. They're just random rambling of enthusiasts. It has little to do with the Forbes publication. Tacking 'Forbes' on it is just a way to make it look reputable.

[dLMN8R]

Forbes forgot to consider whether each game is, you know, a well-balanced game.


My TLII impressions from the other thread:

I think I'm about done with the beta for right now. I've played about 3 hours. It's pretty good, but has a ton of balance issues right now that are pretty fundamental. The difference between Normal and Veteran difficulty is absurd, and Berserkers with claws or axes is practically unplayable. I went from encountering difficult but manageable situations to getting killed by mobs instantly in the span of about 5 minutes of gameplay. I was trying to carefully build my character and keep the right gear - it was working well, but was challenging since I was on veteran difficult. Then I got to the Mordok boss and it was all downhill from there. Many of those issues will probably be addressed before Torchlight 2 releases, but the skill tree is also just boring - I can't imagine they'll be able to do much about. There is so much of a "numbers" game going on with the skill tree instead of giving me differentiated skills that are interesting to use. It does the annoying thing where every skill can individually be leveled up 15 times. Yet the difference between those levels is often literally "61% critical chance" instead of "60% critical chance". Countless cases where I'm using a full skill point for purposes of increasing something by just 1-2 percentage points. Even with character attributes it's the same thing. The attribute that afftects HP or MP will increase my total HP or MP by just 1-2 points. It's so marginal it may as well just not be there at all. I know this is all negative, but all of Torchlight II is still hugely improved over the original. The UX, graphics, world, quests, and more are much much better. But things like the skills and character progression just makes me appreciate the design decisions in Diablo 3 even more. Overall, it'll be nice to have two overall-well-crafted games of each type to enjoy though.

[Heavy]

Let me preface this by mentioning I'm a Diablo fanboy but honestly all 5 of those points are bad:

1.) Price: and? guarantee the extra 40 bucks is worth it in terms of content and features

2.) Always online play: 90% of us played D2 over battle.net anyway and it's by far the best diablo experience. Sorry if you're constantly on plane rides jet-setting around the world and can't play diablo. D2 was plagued with a crazy amount of hacks, exploits, duping, you name it, and one of the biggest reasons was the client-side nature of it. Will there still be hacks in d3? probably. Will there be much fewer and much easier for Blizzard to combat? hell yes. The bnet trading economy is a critical part of the diablo experience. Also PvP (in D2 there were hacks that greatly affected PvP as well).

3.) RMAH/GAH: don't fucking use it if you don't want to. Their description of it reads like you're required to use it. You can trade normally if you want, you don't have to use either of the auction houses. Pointless complaint

4.) Mods: Diablo 2 didn't have mod support and we were fine playing that for a decade. Official mod support would also open the floodgates for possible third-party hacks and exploits.

5.) Guns, pets, and UI: First of all, I dunno what's wrong with the UI. Second, this is not a Steampunk game with guns and mentioning that TL2 is and D3 isn't is a dumb reason to put on your list. Pets are nice, I will agree. So there, you have half of 1 of Forbes' 5 points that have a legitimate point to them.

That was just a shit article fishing for hits. All his points were dumb.



Also what dlMN8R just described about the TL2 beta:

Many of those issues will probably be addressed before Torchlight 2 releases, but the skill tree is also just boring - I can't imagine they'll be able to do much about. There is so much of a "numbers" game going on with the skill tree instead of giving me differentiated skills that are interesting to use. It does the annoying thing where every skill can individually be leveled up 15 times. Yet the difference between those levels is often literally "61% critical chance" instead of "60% critical chance". Countless cases where I'm using a full skill point for purposes of increasing something by just 1-2 percentage points. Even with character attributes it's the same thing. The attribute that afftects HP or MP will increase my total HP or MP by just 1-2 points. It's so marginal it may as well just not be there at all.

...sucks ballz. That's archaic Diablo 2 design (leveling up skills to go from 50% to 51%) and something Blizzard correctly addressed in d3.

[NullPointer]

Well for plenty of folks that want to be able to play the game offline, solo, or just with friends, none of that dupe/hack stuff matters one iota.

The only time it would matter is with randoms or PVP.

[Javaman]

So which is more fun?

[perryfarrell]

Forbes forgot to consider whether each game is, you know, a well-balanced game.

"Forbes" didn't consider anything. This has nothing to do with Forbes.

It's just a blog by a random internet poster who doesn't receive a dime for writing. It just happens to be on a Forbes-affiliated website. You could have a blog on Forbes if you wanted to.

Next time, instead of "Forbes" please write "Random internet poster".

[Gez]

I guess im awesome since i got both ordered. 15 bucks isnt much for TL2 if you do a 4pack, you get get TL1 aswell.

[Heavy]

Well for plenty of folks that want to be able to play the game offline, solo, or just with friends, none of that dupe/hack stuff matters one iota. The only time it would matter is with randoms or PVP.

Well I'm glad Blizzard is catering to the majority because most of us played d2 over bnet not local lan and offline.

[ElTopo]

I'm just waiting for "5 reasons why <insert iOS title> is a better bang for your buck than <insert console game>".

Out of the mentioned things, the only one that really annoys me is "Always online".

[NullPointer]

Well I'm glad Blizzard is catering to the majority because most of us played d2 over bnet not local lan and offline.

Or you know, they could've catered to both. Not too wild an idea here.

But instead they chose to sacrifice one part of their playerbase for another. Their choice of course, but people should not be surprised when those players ask for changes or look for alternatives. Luckily there are some.

Out of the mentioned things, the only one that really annoys me is "Always online".

The most insidious part of "always online" is that it also means the publisher can shut down any servers the game is talking to, which means you're at the mercy of the EAs of thw world for how long you'll be able to play your game. With current top-of-the-world Blizzard it isn't so much an issue, but for everybody else? Watch out.

[Heavy]

"Forbes" didn't consider anything. This has nothing to do with Forbes. It's just a blog by a random internet poster who doesn't receive a dime for writing. It just happens to be on a Forbes-affiliated website. You could have a blog on Forbes if you wanted to. Next time, instead of "Forbes" please write "Random internet poster".

wait, this guy is not employed by forbes or paid money for this? why is this a thread then

Or you know, they could've catered to both. Not too wild an idea here.

Like I said earlier, having offline play like in d2 would have made it much easier for people to create hacks and exploits for the game.

[Gattsu25]

I miss that show.

[Jiguryo]

ITT games "journalists" make lists based on games that aren't even out yet.

After all, there are no such things as press copies / preview copies. #rolleyes

[TUSR]

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Isn't this bannable?

[Heavy]

After all, there are no such things as press copies / preview copies. #rolleyes

Game journalists didn't get early copies of D3

[elmariachi]

Well I'm glad Blizzard is catering to the majority because most of us played d2 over bnet not local lan and offline.

I would rather Blizzard cater to gamers and offer both options. LAN is just amazing to have and such a huge part of PC culture.

Also I remember messing around with offline mode and D2 and making these uber characters.

Blizzard does it make more sales and I get that but when other Companies like Valve give us both, leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

[Str0ngStyle]

So when are we getting a Diablo 3 vs Torchlight 2 vs Borderlands 2 vs Grim Dawn garbage thread?

Borderlands wins cause of more wubwub
*runs*

[Mrbob]

$59.99? I'm spending $99.99 on the collector's edition. Suck it, Forbes.

Oh, and I'll also pick up Torchlight 2 as I don't have to choose between them.

[See You Next Wednesday]

Not reading the OP is bannable.

It's countermanded when you post a kickass gif like that.
lol

[Gr1mLock]

Does torchlight have a monk class? NO? NO BUY!

[NullPointer]

Like I said earlier, having offline play like in d2 would have made it much easier for people to create hacks and exploits for the game.

Guess I don't care because I don't play games like this so seriously.

[Forkball]

If Torchlight was a Steamworks title I'd jump on that so quickly. They missed their opportunity. Though I do agree, I like Torchlight II's art more than DIII.

[TouchMyBox]

If Torchlight was a Steamworks title I'd jump on that so quickly. They missed their opportunity. Though I do agree, I like Torchlight II's art more than DIII.

Wait a sec, it's not?

I can't just click on my buddy and join their game? I had assumed they would support steamworks, at least for the steam version.

[marrec]

Oh no! It seems I may have to buy both!

Too bad that was my PLAN ALL ALONG!

*mwa ha ha ha ha*

[OpinionatedCyborg]

damn, uncle phil won

[Concept17]

First Torchlight was boring after the first hour.

Blizzard's ability to make games fun and engrossing far exceeds anything Torchlight can offer. I'm sure TL2 could be a great game, but I have a hard time seeing it being even comparable to the giant that is Diablo3. 6 fucking years of development with devs that are far more experienced, a ton more content, polish, and simply better game design.

Its a stupid comparison.

[snack]

rofl

[Lhexh]

I just realized the white girl in the pic is a terrible dancer.

This gif was the greatest moment of today for me as I will be playing D3 tomorrow.

[Pachterballs]

Goodbye.

I'm hyped for torchlight3. Never got into diablo myself but I played torchlight.

[vaelic]

this post should ban you

[shintoki]

That's not weird at all, you know how engrossing these games can be, when two similar come out within the same timeframe, it's absolutely normal to make a conscious decision for one over the other because you want to focus on one experience. The closer Torchlight 2 comes out to Diablo III, the worse off it'll be. There's obviously no comparison between the selling power and mindshare of the two. It'll be a tricky balancing act for the Torchlight devs to find the right time to release their game.

Can you play two MMOs at the same time? Yes, but its hard. These are titles you have to invest a lot into and playing two very similar titles.

And I'm going to say what was the deciding factor for me. Diablo III had a release date and a beta. Torchlight II was just its coming and closed off.

[crimzonflame]

What is the white girl trying to do? lmao

[Gez]

Can we never shit on Torchlight 2 again and never defend Diablo 3s always online DRM by saying "90% of people play online anyway". ???

This Diablo 3 launch is a disaster. There is no excuse i can't log into a single player game. Getting Error 33 and 12's everywhere.

[Cindres]

T2 is the main reason I'm still not 100% sold on D3. When I can get T2 so much cheaper for a (seemingly) very similar experience.

Not that I played Torchlight, but never D1 or D2.

[epmode]

This Diablo 3 launch is a disaster. There is no excuse i can't log into a single player game. Getting Error 33 and 12's everywhere.

Have I missed something? Did Diablo 3 launch today?

[Htown]

My as well compare a Nickelodeon TV Show vs. a Disney Feature Film...budget, my man, budget.

Is the Nickelodeon show Avatar: The Last Airbender?

[Htown]

Like I said earlier, having offline play like in d2 would have made it much easier for people to create hacks and exploits for the game.

Do like every other game and just ban the cheaters.

Or let a person make online-only characters and offline-only characters.

Or have online and offline as separate executables.

There are a million ways to do this better than they're doing it.

[epmode]

Is the Nickelodeon show Avatar: The Last Airbender?

Korra! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K59N3RfCIEI