[Sentry]

Scarlett Johanson being a competent fighter definitely is the worst aspect of the movie. I have no problems suspending disbelief with everything else. Even with Thor's hammer magically growing huge so it can fit in Hulk's hand *lols*

:lol nice bait.

[Orayn]

What that dude said is silly but you guys are acting like anything goes when sci fi shit happens.

No, we're acting like (nearly) anything goes because Tony Stark built a magic suit of bulletproof powered armor in a cave in Afghanistan with a nigh-infinite palladium-based power supply I'm the first movie. The "dat shit cray" baseline for the Marvel Cinematic Universe has been set very, very high.

[iammeiam]

Scarlett Johanson being a competent fighter definitely is the worst aspect of the movie. I have no problems suspending disbelief with everything else. Even with Thor's hammer magically growing huge so it can fit in Hulk's hand *lols*

Skimpy superheroine costumes are actually a thing because they distract from the ridiculousness that is superheroines. Scarlett Johanson's costume simply covered so much skin credibility strained to the breaking.

[Log4Girlz]

2/10

Whatever you do, don't read my newest post in the other thread.

[JokerOfSpades]

It's funny, because both Iron Man and Hulk (and both Bruce Banners!) have had shirtless scenes as well. Wonder why one remembers those two, though...

Hell, the third Banner was naked in the Avengers!

Evans and Hemsworth are hotter.

[Oblivion]

Scarlett Johanson being able to beat up grown men is more ridiculous than a woman fighting in a bra. She's 5'4 and probably 130lbs. The realism went out the window a long time ago.

Wait, she's 5'4"? And 130 lbs? Seems she's shorter AND fatter than I thought!

[Finaika]

Skimpy superheroine costumes are actually a thing because they distract from the ridiculousness that is superheroines. Scarlett Johanson's costume simply covered so much skin credibility strained to the breaking.

They wear skimpy clothes to distract their opponents.

[Satch]

Wait, she's 5'4"? And 130 lbs? Seems she's shorter AND fatter than I thought!

that makes me think of the time Heavy said that Scarjo was an absolutely unattractive cow because of some cellulite she had

[FutureZombie]

Helicarrier? Arc reactor? Whatevs. Smallish women being a competent fighter? DISBELIEF UN-SUSPENDED!

That's not my point. Try reading my entire post. I said there is no realism in this, so she shouldn't be saying wearing a bra while fighting is ridiculous.

[Horse Detective]

that makes me think of the time Heavy said that Scarjo was an absolutely unattractive cow because of some cellulite she had

Pretty much sums up my feelings about her appearance in we bought a zoo.

[Friedreich]

No, we're acting like (nearly) anything goes because Tony Stark built a magic suit of bulletproof powered armor in a cave in Afghanistan with a nigh-infinite palladium-based power supply I'm the first movie. The "dat shit cray" baseline for the Marvel Cinematic Universe has been set very, very high.

I actually have no argument for this topic, I don't know what I was thinking.

[JokerOfSpades]

Female and gay/bi male targeted. I consider myself straight, but not so super-duper-straight as to deny that these movies are full of hunks.

I've been meaning to ask for the longest time:

Who still uses the word "hunk"?

[Satch]

Pretty much sums up my feelings about her appearance in we bought a zoo.

i wish to have such high standards

[hayejin]

Saw this image on another board after reading this thread.

Kinda NSFW(No nudity but faint nip shown(1/10th))

[Horse Detective]

i wish to have such high standards

Thats the trendy way to respond to what I say, but definitely not the best way.

[Oblivion]

Pretty much sums up my feelings about her appearance in we bought a zoo.

Oh come on, ese. I got ridiculously high standards, and if Scar's good enough for me, she should be good enough for ANYONE.

Saw this image on another board after reading this thread. Kinda NSFW(No nudity but faint nip shown(1/10th))

Photoshop, right? I mean, Scar's got a nice rack, but I don't think it's THAT nice.

[FutureZombie]

I've been meaning to ask for the longest time: Who still uses the word "hunk"?

[Orayn]

That's not my point. Try reading my entire post. I said there is no realism in this, so she shouldn't be saying wearing a bra while fighting is ridiculous.

I believe you at least partially missed HER point, which was about goofy visuals and treating female characters with kid gloves, rather than realism.

I've been meaning to ask for the longest time: Who still uses the word "hunk"?

I do. In the context of The Avengers.

[Satch]

Thats the trendy way to respond to what I say, but definitely not the best way.

what i meant to say was

sHaRp KnEeS!!!!!!

[Sentry]

Photoshop, right? I mean, Scar's got a nice rack, but I don't think it's THAT nice.

lolwut. ScarJo's real rack is about a million times better than that 'shop.

I've been meaning to ask for the longest time: Who still uses the word "hunk"?

Only gaffers, apparently. I think the last I heard it was Anti-Monitor admitting to being a creeper. "HunkGAF"?

[Fantastical]

There was a lot of eye candy for straight women / gay men in The Avengers. I was very happy with Chris Evan's ass during the boxing scene, Thor... doing everything, and Mark Ruffalo naked (although obviously covered).

[I H8 Memes]

Black Widow should have been played by Camryn Manheim. Then we wouldn't need to have this conversation. She's also a better actress than Johanson so it would be a win-win.

[LuCkymoON]

i would buy the top one and laugh at the bottom one bad marketing thats all

the new glory is so badass.

[Sadsic]

loooool

[Freewheelin']

She has a couple of nice points.

[Gentleman Jack]

I've been meaning to ask for the longest time: Who still uses the word "hunk"?

Hark A Vagrant has used it to great effect.

[CorvoSol]

What that dude said is silly but you guys are acting like anything goes when sci fi shit happens.

It does. At some point, you just have to roll with stuff. Like, there were gigantic tanks rolling around Norway in the 1940s according to Marvel. Complaining that a woman can't beat someone up because of her size after seeing those kinda ceases to make sense.

It's like complaining about the inconsistent Time-Travel mechanics in that one Ninja Turtles movie. It's a movie where the main characters are talking, bipedal, teenage mutant ninja turtles. Who cares how the Time Travel works? Why protest about that, if you've already accepted the ridiculous premise?

[Akainu]

When she was punched in the face was it actually bruised? When ever a woman usually gets hit in movies (that I've seen at least) they are never really any worse for wear.

[JokerOfSpades]

Hark A Vagrant has used it to great effect.

I love Hark A Vagrant

[Sho_Nuff82]

I think she makes a decent point. There are still plenty of hurdles that need to be overcome, but The Avengers does better than most. I don't mean to equivocate, but re-watching the Marvel Cinematic Universe movies has reminded me that all of them contain copipus amounts of female-targeted fanservice.

My gf enjoyed Thor and Captain America primarily because of the fanservice.

[beelzebozo]

avengers still fails the bechdel test miserably. it's a fun little movie but hardly a paragon of gender equality or devoid of sexism. it's just a little more subtle and tucked away.

[HK-47]

Again, I'm not one to claim it's the same thing, but can't we have some exchange ratio between that and all the fanservicey visuals of the male characters? 'Cause there were plenty of those.

Both are parts of the male power fantasy model. They dont look the way they do cause its some reverse appeal to women.

[Nesotenso]

avengers still fails the bechdel test miserably. it's a fun little movie but hardly a paragon of gender equality or devoid of sexism. it's just a little more subtle and tucked away.

I don't think the Bechdel test should be used as a criterion to determine if female characters are worthwhile to a plot. I don't believe a film maker has to keep a check list and cross off the bechdel test to have instrumental female characters.

[Dram]

Bechdel test:

1. It has to have at least two [named] women in it
2. Who talk to each other
3. About something besides a man

[swoon]

avengers still fails the bechdel test miserably. it's a fun little movie but hardly a paragon of gender equality or devoid of sexism. it's just a little more subtle and tucked away.

That's not the point of the test.

[DanteFox]

Bechdel test: 1. It has to have at least two [named] women in it 2. Who talk to each other 3. About something besides a man

why?

[789shadow]

Bechdel test: 1. It has to have at least two [named] women in it 2. Who talk to each other 3. About something besides a man

This thing is essentially useless.

[beelzebozo]

I don't think the Bechdel test should be used as a criterion to determine if female characters are worthwhile to a plot. I don't believe a film maker has to keep a check list and cross off the bechdel test to have instrumental female characters.

yeah, but, are there frequently movies in which at least two male characters don't talk to each other? like, aren't 99% of movies rife with dudes talking to each other?

you're right though, it shouldn't be used as the ultimate barometer.

[Spike Spiegel]

If only Whedon hadn't cut that crucial scene where Maria and Natasha stop battling alien invaders for a moment to casually ask each other where they shop for bodysuits.

[Akainu]

why?

Lesbians that's why.

[Kunan]

There was a lot of eye candy for straight women / gay men in The Avengers. I was very happy with Chris Evan's ass during the boxing scene, Thor... doing everything, and Mark Ruffalo naked (although obviously covered).

Oh man that. His ass was perfect the whole movie. Also, dem pants he wore running when he first became Cap (think they were the same pants lol).

[Trurl]

yeah, but, are there frequently movies in which at least two male characters don't talk to each other? like, aren't 99% of movies rife with dudes talking to each other? you're right though, it shouldn't be used as the ultimate barometer.

I think the Bechdel test would be very useful for judging the film industry as a whole (especially if there were an opposite test to create a point of comparison). It really says nothing about an individual film, though.

[Fantastical]

Oh man that. His ass was perfect the whole movie. Also, dem pants he wore running when he first became Cap (think they were the same pants lol).

[Nesotenso]

I am all for the plots of female characters not revolving around men for the duration of a movie or female centric or led movies but I don't see how satisfying (or not) the tenets of the Bechdel test makes for a good or bad movie.

[Pau]

If only Whedon hadn't cut that crucial scene where Maria and Natasha stop battling alien invaders for a moment to casually ask each other where they shop for bodysuits.

Nah, most versions of the Bechdel test require women to talk about something besides clothing and shopping for the movie to pass. But you're right, if Maria and Natasha had spoken to each other, I could see why it'd be hard to imagine them talking about anything else.

[beelzebozo]

I am all for the plots of female characters not revolving around men for the duration of a movie or female centric or lead movies but I don't see how satisfying (or not) the tenets of the Bechdel test makes for a good or bad movie.

yeah, i didn't mean to start a debate about it. s.johannsen is right in that her portrayal of this character in this movie was not hypersexualized, which is refreshing in a sense. i shouldn't have brought up bechdel, even though i find it to be particularly poignant and effective at demonstrating how totally unrepresentative of a basic reality even the most "progressive" films are.

Nah, most versions of the Bechdel test require women to talk about something besides clothing and shopping for the movie to pass. But you're right, if Maria and Natasha had spoken to each other, I could see why it'd be hard to imagine them talking about anything else.

they could have talked about lots of things. like getting their nails done.

[davepoobond]

couldnt you argue that men are just as sexualized as super heroes too, its just that no one cares to notice or bring it up?

[Satch]

couldnt you argue that men are just as sexualized as super heroes too, its just that no one cares to notice or bring it up?

no

[enzo_gt]

Never noticed Mark Ruffalo in this GIF before.

[Trurl]

couldnt you argue that men are just as sexualized as super heroes too, its just that no one cares to notice or bring it up?

I care to bring it up. Evans as Captain America is hawt.

But no, it''s not the same.