[G-Fex]

no

no

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

That picture is TERRIBLE.

[Dan]

I'm not saying she's a hypocrite exactly. I don't care about the morality of it. Johanssen plays all the same sex-publicity games as every other hot, young actress, and then complains that comic book action movies (just about the most Hollywood thing in the world) are overly sexualized? She done well for herself contributing to the popular culture she is now complaining about. You think because she's narrowing her focus to one outlet of celebrity I should ignore the rest of it? It makes no sense. It's like Rupert Murdoch going on TV and complaining about the lack of serious journalists. And yes, Johanssen is the Murdoch of hotness.

Yeah, I think it's a valid concern. It's hard for actresses to complain about the state of female roles and the levels of sexuality involved when they spend their downtime posing for softcore photo sessions. They feed and rely on the same market hunger that they then complain about. It's difficult to have it both ways.

[Darknight]

Wait, she's 5'4"? And 130 lbs? Seems she's shorter AND fatter than I thought!

I don't believe this....she's 5'4"? Omg she is like perfect for me! (I'm short too but taller than her) I guess since she is a celeb, I always thought she was like 5'8“. And 130 is not fat buddy, damn.

[kittens]

Hah, I was gonna post this if no one else had yet.

Sexism and objectification and patriarchal bullshit in general is a huge, pervasive problem in pop culture. It needs to be attacked, and feminist forms of media need to be supported instead.

[seat]

i would buy the top one and laugh at the bottom one bad marketing thats all

I admire your courage admitting to that.

I'd rather purchase a shit-smeared canvas than anything Rob Liefield has "drawn".

[jett]

That's funny how she thinks that wasn't the case with The Avengers. :lol

[MisterHero]

It's weird enough about the sex appeal, but of all the main characters, isn't Black Widow the one where the viewer is made to question as a double/triple/quadruple agent? This question extends to the comics and cartoon (EMH) as well.

You can immediately trust the other heroes, even Hulk's alignment is constantly hammered home.

I guess you can argue that it's the nature of her job though. Still, sucks having only one major female and you can't trust her.

[jon bones]

some of you guys are pretty dumb

on a semi related note - anyone else gonna get extra squats in this week? between that cap gif and shirtlessthor.jpeg/getwet and impending summer come on

[IrrelevantNotch]

Can we just sort this out by removing all references to Black Widow in Avengers 2?

[theBishop]

Yeah, I think it's a valid concern. It's hard for actresses to complain about the state of female roles and the levels of sexuality involved when they spend their downtime posing for softcore photo sessions. They feed and rely on the same market hunger that they then complain about. It's difficult to have it both ways.

That's pretty much it. It's a little extra disappointing for Johanssen because she's had a tendency toward less pornographic, but still hot roles in some actually good movies. So she should really know better than most. Hollywood is degrading but it makes you rich and famous. If you don't want to be degraded and do want to be rich and famous, it's difficult. Only a few pull it off.

[Spike Spiegel]

Yeah, I think it's a valid concern. It's hard for actresses to complain about the state of female roles and the levels of sexuality involved when they spend their downtime posing for softcore photo sessions. They feed and rely on the same market hunger that they then complain about. It's difficult to have it both ways.

[Dan]

Male actors do some of this too, of course, but to a far smaller degree.

[Oblivion]

And 130 is not fat buddy, damn.

No it's not, but it's more than she looks. Either way, doesn't distract from the smashing.

[DaMan121]

Male actors do some of this too, of course, but to a far smaller degree.

The ones that don't do it are the old/fat/ugly ones, which admittedly, there are far more of than equivalent female ones. But really, there would be just as many, if not more, movies were males get their clothes off then women.

[HK-47]

It's weird enough about the sex appeal, but of all the main characters, isn't Black Widow the one where the viewer is made to question as a double/triple/quadruple agent? This question extends to the comics and cartoon (EMH) as well. You can immediately trust the other heroes, even Hulk's alignment is constantly hammered home. I guess you can argue that it's the nature of her job though. Still, sucks having only one major female and you can't trust her.

Well that is a point of contention in the comics. Usually Wasp is around so it isnt "only female is untrustworthy."

[Escape Goat]

Cartoon wasp is total weak female character. I just fly around all cute in tiny fun size and shoot ineffective lasers. pew pew. ^_^

[HK-47]

Yeah, I think it's a valid concern. It's hard for actresses to complain about the state of female roles and the levels of sexuality involved when they spend their downtime posing for softcore photo sessions. They feed and rely on the same market hunger that they then complain about. It's difficult to have it both ways.

Its difficult to not have it that way. It how the system is set up. Also note that males will never get called for doing the same things and people care far less.

[Aselith]

I was 100% up for the whole team to make shirtless meetings at a spa. Hawkeye can wait outside.

He sees better from a distance anyways.

[HK-47]

Cartoon wasp is total weak female character. I just fly around all cute in tiny fun size and shoot ineffective lasers. pew pew. ^_^

I wasnt talking about her strength of character.

[Escape Goat]

I wasnt talking about her strength of character.

I wasn't responding to you but commenting on cartoon wasp as the token female.

[bengraven]

I misread the X-men part of the interview. I thought for a second Scarlett was hinting she would do an Xmen film.

[G-Fex]

Pfft...

He probably thinks he's cute.

[Pau]

I wasn't responding to you but commenting on cartoon wasp as the token female.

I'm still waiting for the day when we no longer have just one token female character on these superhero teams. I guess I'll have to wait for my Runaways movie for that... although I guess X-Men does a better job than most.

[Gentleman Jack]

He's making a duck face...

[HK-47]

I'm still waiting for the day when we no longer have just one token female character on these superhero teams. I guess I'll have to wait for my Runaways movie for that... although I guess X-Men does a better job than most.

Yeah if they ever get around to using that comic again.

[ElectricBlue187]

Hah, I was gonna post this if no one else had yet. Sexism and objectification and patriarchal bullshit in general is a huge, pervasive problem in pop culture. It needs to be attacked, and feminist forms of media need to be supported instead.

Feminism holds sway over just about every single piece of media in pop culture save for rap videos and porn. I was going to add video games to that as well but that's no longer true for the majority either.

[HK-47]

Feminism holds sway over just about every single piece of media in pop culture save for rap videos and porn.

My bullshit alarm just melted down.

[Dai101]

I rise (lol) to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...3_0cTRc#t=243s

Even Peggy wants to tap that. So do i

[Rookje]

I would of liked it if she had more intelligent dialogue, and more of a story. She was just there for eyecandy, which I'm not complaining but... I see her point in that way.

[Rookje]

Male actors do some of this too, of course, but to a far smaller degree.

Not these days.

[Hawkian]

I would of liked it if she had more intelligent dialogue, and more of a story. She was just there for eyecandy, which I'm not complaining but... I see her point in that way.

Who was?

[Scullibundo]

Who was?

Coby Smulder and Scully.

[Hawkian]

Coby Smulder and Scully.

You're not... just...

[SapientWolf]

Hah, I was gonna post this if no one else had yet. Sexism and objectification and patriarchal bullshit in general is a huge, pervasive problem in pop culture. It needs to be attacked, and feminist forms of media need to be supported instead.

Will, objectification goes both ways. Male action heroes are jacked these days. And I don't think it's the Wheaties. It's been that way for awhile.

[ElectricBlue187]

My bullshit alarm just melted down.

Fantastic rebuttal sir. I guess I'll just pretend you made a point and refute it. Across all forms of popular media it is almost universally reviled to show a woman as being anything but smart, capable, competent, and in control of both her own sexuality and whatever situation she's in. There are outliers of course but the overall influence is right there in the majority if you care to look.

[JokerOfSpades]

Thing is that they're still male fantasy. Not many girls I've met like people who are too jacked for their own good.

Besides that, a good degree of muscle is helpful in a fight. Lingerie? Not so much (or super-huge tits, really).

[HK-47]

Will, objectification goes both ways. Male action heroes are jacked these days. And I don't think it's the Wheaties. It's been that way for awhile.

They are jacked because that appeals to male viewers. Thats why everyone is so buff in superhero comics despite them not have huge female audiences. At most, people might complain about dumb muscleheads, which is why many superheroes are jacked and smart.

[Satch]

Feminism holds sway over just about every single piece of media in pop culture save for rap videos and porn. I was going to add video games to that as well but that's no longer true for the majority either.

lol

double lol for comic books

[Narpas Sword0]

[The Anti-Monitor]

They are jacked because that appeals to male viewers. Thats why everyone is so buff in superhero comics despite them not have huge female audiences. At most, people might complain about dumb muscleheads, which is why many superheroes are jacked and smart.

That's precisely why only the shirtless scene in Thor counts. They don't include that scene so teens can imagine they are as buff as he is. It's not because it makes sense in the story. It's there, literally, to show off just how hot he is.

To think that is the norm, however, is ridiculous.

[JokerOfSpades]

I'm wondering, though. Who decides which direction to go in, and why? Feminism is about equality among the sexes, so of course with some things it's "if men have this, or men don't have this, women should also have this, or not have this."

So the question is... who decides that we should have less sexualization of female characters as opposed to more sexualization of male characters?

[Satch]

I'm wondering, though. Who decides which direction to go in, and why? Feminism is about equality among the sexes, so of course with some things it's "if men have this, or men don't have this, women should also have this, or not have this." So the question is... who decides that we should have less sexualization of female characters as opposed to more sexualization of male characters?

do you think most men are largely comfortable with being as hypersexualized as women have throughout media in all of history

historical context shapes this issue

[desertdroog]

I have to applaud the director for allowing the camera to fall behind Scarlett and show off her beautiful derriere in that tight fitting suit.

As an ass-man (Yeah, I'm in town!) it was much appreciated.

[HK-47]

I'm wondering, though. Who decides which direction to go in, and why? Feminism is about equality among the sexes, so of course with some things it's "if men have this, or men don't have this, women should also have this, or not have this." So the question is... who decides that we should have less sexualization of female characters as opposed to more sexualization of male characters?

In entertainment? Its the market, which is affected by society and culture.

[Staccat0]

This only bugs me because it was the women hooting at the screen in every screening. The men are just as sexualized in this particular film. Her character is hinted to be a SHEILD "honey pot" so I feel like her characters sexuality was relevant to the character and not really overplayed. This isn't Megan fox sweatily contorting over a car hood...
Nothing wrong with her being sexy. Thats a bit different than wearing a bikini into a fight.

I don't see a reason to be snotty about what she says.

[JokerOfSpades]

do you think most men are largely comfortable with being as hypersexualized as women have throughout media in all of history historical context shapes this issue

I'm not quite sure. See, I know it's becoming more of a standard, as men show off a greater degree of femininity in pop culture, and we do have more scenes like that that people like Hemsworth and Meloni are okay with.

In entertainment? Its the market, which is affected by society and culture.

So if more women decide they want to see attractive men? If it's the market, then interests are directly conflicting - men (in general) want to see attractive, perhaps sexualized to a degree women, while women just want less sexualization?

[Satch]

women want to see characters that amount to more than just sexualization

[Hawkian]

Fantastic rebuttal sir. I guess I'll just pretend you made a point and refute it. Across all forms of popular media it is almost universally reviled to show a woman as being anything but smart, capable, competent, and in control of both her own sexuality and whatever situation she's in. There are outliers of course but the overall influence is right there in the majority if you care to look.

Alright. My instincts are telling me not to engage you here because I may be being trolled, hard. But if you're legitimately making this ludicrous claim, I think the burden of proof should be on you. Please give 10 examples from the last 2 years of entries in popular media that match the description you've given here. This should be very simple as you claim that the vast majority are this way and only outliers are not, and there have been hundreds.

By the way, I don't think it's impossible to find 10 legitimately good depictions of female characters in pop culture in the pas two years; I am attempting to see what you think fits your description.

Try to pick some across different forms of media and please do include some video games. Knowing nothing about your choices, I would bet that about half of them could have some argument made for them being legit, at least, two or three will superficially meet your description while in effect being overtly sexist, and at least one will be essentially bullshit.

[G-Fex]

women want to see characters that amount to more than just sexualization

Uh huh, that's why there were hooting and hollering at Hulk when he took off his shirt.

:P