[ChiTownBuffalo]

Spiderman automatically makes anything 10x better.

This is the worst Spiderman ever. NSFW

[AdrianWerner]

see, but, honing in on the way women look like while they pummel people, or drawing specific attention to how pretty they look or that they're a SEXY ASS KICKING LADY is the construction of a very surreptitious cage that serves to box people in and cast everything a woman does as being secretly, really, about how she looks. you know what i mean?

Movies are visual experience, so yeah I care how they look. And I don't mean they need to look sexy (altough that's nice), just believable. Zoe Saldana sure is prettier than Gina Carano, but I prefered the action in Haywire over Columbiana. In most of those movies it's equivalent of bad acting when they can't make it believable.

[Kinyou]

Better?

One bullet is deflected by her boob.

[Peru]

I'd like to see a female hero like Iron Man.

[ChiTownBuffalo]

I'd like to see a female hero like Iron Man.

Already happened

[Tence]

I'd like to see a female hero like Iron Man.

Edit: Beaten :(

[Sentry]

I'd like to see a female hero like Iron Man.

=
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[Kinyou]

?

Talking about sexist portrayal, wasn't her character 100% eye candy in Iron Man 2?

[ChiTownBuffalo]

Talking about sexist portrayal, wasn't her character 100% eye candy in Iron Man 2?

There are two schools of thought on this one.

One is she was just there for eye-candy.

Two, is that it was a plot device, where once her cover was blown and she put on her SHIELD Agent pants, she was pretty no nonsense, all about business.

[injurai]

Well now she says something...

[Sentry]

Talking about sexist portrayal, wasn't her character 100% eye candy in Iron Man 2?

That was the whole point of her infiltrating Stark Industries, though... being his secretary.

People get carried away with this sexist bullshit sometimes, imo.

[Kinyou]

There are two schools of thought on this one. One is she was just there for eye-candy. Two, is that it was a plot device, where once her cover was blown and she put on her SHIELD Agent pants, she was pretty no nonsense, all about business.

That was the whole point of her infiltrating Stark Industries, though... being his secretary. People get carried away with this sexist bullshit sometimes, imo.

I guess you could argue that way... Though I think I stick with the eye candy option. I remember being genuinely surprised when she turned out to be an interesting character in The Avengers

[BobsRevenge]

That's dumb. The men are sexualized in these things just as much. Notice how the muscles are caricatures of male forms. They are exaggerated in the poses as well.

Men and women have different things that sexualize them, and putting men into feminine poses doesn't help anyone's case.

It's the nature of these things. They are power fantasies.

If anyone is bothered by patriarchal and/or sexualized imagery, they should probably not be watching, or in anyway caring about, the vast majority of the comic book industry or any extension of it.

People get too uptight about it.

[Satch]

That's dumb. The men are sexualized in these things just as much. Notice how the muscles are caricatures of male forms. They are exaggerated in the poses as well. Men and women have different things that sexualize them, and putting men into feminine poses doesn't help anyone's case. It's the nature of these things. They are power fantasies. If anyone is bothered by patriarchal and/or sexualized imagery, they should probably not be watching, or in anyway caring about, the comic book industry or any extension of it. People get too uptight about it.

read the thread

[Keru_Shiri]

That's dumb. The men are sexualized in these things just as much. Notice how the muscles are caricatures of male forms. They are exaggerated in the poses as well. Men and women have different things that sexualize them, and putting men into feminine poses doesn't help anyone's case. It's the nature of these things. They are power fantasies. If anyone is bothered by patriarchal and/or sexualized imagery, they should probably not be watching, or in anyway caring about, the vast majority of the comic book industry or any extension of it. People get too uptight about it.

I more interpreted the picture as a statement of just how ridiculous most women's posses are in comics. It's not bad that they're sexy, but the ridiculous spine-twisting stances push it way over the top.

[Finaika]

Just what is the Hulk trying to do in that 2nd pic?

[Kinyou]

I more interpreted the picture as a statement of just how ridiculous most women's posses are in comics. It's not bad that they're sexy, but the ridiculous spine-twisting stances push it way over the top.

This.

The Escher girls tumblr has plenty of examples of how ridiculous the boob + butt pose is.

[jett]

Just what is the Hulk trying to do in that 2nd pic?

Trying to pass a massive green turd, obviously.

[ChiTownBuffalo]

Just what is the Hulk trying to do in that 2nd pic?

The most epic goatse ever.

[BobsRevenge]

I more interpreted the picture as a statement of just how ridiculous most women's posses are in comics. It's not bad that they're sexy, but the ridiculous spine-twisting stances push it way over the top.

That goes back to some of the earliest artistic portrayals of the female form. It's exaggerated that way because they are contortions that men are far less capable of and appeal to the mental models we have for the sex.

[Satch]

lol give me a break

theyre drawn that way because the artists are dog shit

[Banana Kid]

What always bothers me most is the posing. It completely breaks the illusion when women in comics make that fucking twisty pose that no human being would ever do.

Yeah, it should be better. But as long as men are writing and drawing 90% of superhero comics, it's gonna be a slow process.

[XiaNaphryz]

Yeah its not like you have lengthy conversations on your ship or during missions.

During a lot of those conversations, I recall most of the camera framing on her was from the shoulders up at least in the first ME. I'm not saying you're incorrect, just that I didn't really notice.

[Nert]

That's dumb. The men are sexualized in these things just as much. Notice how the muscles are caricatures of male forms. They are exaggerated in the poses as well. Men and women have different things that sexualize them, and putting men into feminine poses doesn't help anyone's case. It's the nature of these things. They are power fantasies. If anyone is bothered by patriarchal and/or sexualized imagery, they should probably not be watching, or in anyway caring about, the vast majority of the comic book industry or any extension of it. People get too uptight about it.

I don't think that people in this thread are being "uptight." Criticism regarding gender roles has been applied to movies for years. As comic book movies continue to be such mainstream commercial successes (as opposed to niche products that large audiences are supposed to avoid), it's only natural that they would fall under the same scrutiny.

[Sentry]

The most epic goatse ever.

Why did I have to be eating when I read this. ughhhh

[Akainu]

(linked cause large gif): http://cdn.theblemish.com/images/201...ngers-0404.gif

Does she hide knives in her hair?

[XiaNaphryz]

Does she hid knives in her hair?

Hair whip in the eyes gets em every time!

[BobsRevenge]

I don't think that people in this thread are being "uptight." Criticism regarding gender roles has been applied to movies for years. As comic book movies continue to be such mainstream commercial successes (as opposed to niche products that large audiences are supposed to avoid), it's only natural that they would fall under the same scrutiny.

I think most feminist critiques involve a certain amount of projection and over-thought. For instance, the recent opinion pieces on Girls really shows this off. It's one of the most honest and brave shows on television, and people keep projecting various attitudes onto it.

A lot of these types of opinions seem overly judgmental, idealistic, and prescriptive. Like, I'm all for gender equality, but I still masturbate to some really sexist shit. These movies are cheap entertainment, and yes, they do reflect the times, but it's probably better to just describe the trend than to judge it. These aren't statement movies.

[AdrianWerner]

This. The Escher girls tumblr has plenty of examples of how ridiculous the boob + butt pose is. ]

None of those applies to Black Widow in that pose, she's not twisting.

[the chris]

Trying to pass a massive green turd, obviously.

I thought he already did that.

[Blizzard]

None of those applies to Black Widow in that pose, she's not twisting.

Thank you. I keep seeing this posted everywhere and it's certainly not the double breast, double buttock thing that shows up in comics sometimes.

[Akainu]

Thats not really the point. It's that female characters are usually posing in a way to show off the tits and ass. Why isn't she facing forward like every one else?

[dojokun]

Thats not really the point. It's that female characters are usually posing in a way to show off the tits and ass. Why isn't she facing forward like every one else?

Because sex appeal for men is different than for women. A man's manliness is shown off by having him face forward so his broad chest and shoulders are obvious. A woman's sex appeal is shown off by having her face to the side so her tits and ass are obvious.

The men's sex appeal is being used as much as the female's.

[BobsRevenge]

Thats not really the point. It's that female characters are usually posing in a way to show off the tits and ass. Why isn't she facing forward like every one else?

Why is Cpt. America showing off his exquisite lats? No one else is showing of their exquisite lats.

[Akainu]

You people can't be serious? Right?

[Nert]

I think most feminist critiques involve a certain amount of projection and over-thought. For instance, the recent opinion pieces on Girls really shows this off. It's one of the most honest and brave shows on television, and people keep projecting various attitudes onto it. A lot of these types of opinions seem overly judgmental, idealistic, and prescriptive. Like, I'm all for gender equality, but I still masturbate to some really sexist shit. These movies are cheap entertainment, and yes, they do reflect the times, but it's probably better to just describe the trend than to judge it. These aren't statement movies.

I don't agree that the Bechdel Test is over-thought, if that's what we're discussing. It's a pretty low bar: two named women speaking to each other about something other than a man. The inverse of it (two men talking to each other about something other than a woman) happens in almost every film. It's less about true, idealistic gender equality and more about women having even meager roles in plot progression.

I also don't think it's overly judgmental to point out that a lot of the poses that female comic book characters make are stupid. Because... they really are.

[SnakeswithLasers]

It looks like some people are trying to say that men are sexualized as much as women. Your lack of reality is frightening.

[Aske]

But I also hate it when the females lose all sexuality portrayed(reasons why I hate the new PG/Carol designs) ... Like Ms. marvel's new costume would be perfect if she had the long hair.

Ms. Marvel is my favourite female hero, bar none. I had no idea they were 'promoting' her to Captain Marvel. Great idea - it'll finally allow her to step out from under the shadow of Mar-vell. Hope Spider-Woman gets similar treatment; both characters are too great to be overshadowed by their male namesakes.

That said, I don't like the new costume. Short hair is fine, less skin is smart, but to me this costume suffers from two major issues: it isn't as distinctive as the previous version, and the double gold lines are uncomfortably reminiscent of Wonder Woman. Hopefully this costume will evolve into something a bit more iconic before too long. Looks a lot better in the picture Slayven posted, so it's by no means an eyesore. But I wish it was a bit more like Moonstone's Dark Avengers Ms Marvel costume (third image).

[The Anti-Monitor]

It looks like some people are trying to say that men are sexualized as much as women. Your lack of reality is frightening.

It's always the same. The only character who has had a gratuitous fanservice scene is Thor in the movies, but to try and argue it's even close in the comics is ridiculous.

And would it be too much to ask to have some more heroines with muscles?

[BobsRevenge]

I don't agree that the Bechdel Test is over-thought, if that's what we're discussing. It's a pretty low bar: two named women speaking to each other about something other than a man. The inverse of it (two men talking to each other about something other than a woman) happens in almost every film. It's less about true, idealistic gender equality and more about women having even meager roles in plot progression.

I agree, but I think that has a lot to do with the industry being male dominated, and that strongly exaggerates the tendency.

I also don't think it's overly judgmental to point out that a lot of the poses that female comic book characters make are stupid. Because... they really are.

Everything about these kinds of comic books is stupid though. They were originally designed for boys under the age of 15, many of whom were horny.

I think our mainstream film media being dominated by young adult fiction adaptations, comic book adaptations, toy adaptations, and other generally retarded shit, says way more about the state of our culture than anything else here.

All of that shit is stupid. I don't have a problem with these productions, and enjoy many of them, but they take an overwhelming share of the box office success.

[Kinyou]

Because sex appeal for men is different than for women. A man's manliness is shown off by having him face forward so his broad chest and shoulders are obvious. A woman's sex appeal is shown off by having her face to the side so her tits and ass are obvious. The men's sex appeal is being used as much as the female's.

Afaik do Women like a tight man butt too.

[Bombadil]

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Ewww... armpit stubble.

[Jezan]

I do agree that the new costume of Ms. Marvel looks pretty bad, but so did the older ones. Power Girl's is nowhere near as bad though.

No
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The new one is weird, mostly cause of the hair :(

[JeTmAn81]

I'd like to sum up this topic with two words: Boob Window.

[The Anti-Monitor]

Ewww... armpit stubble.

C'mon son.

No <----- The new one is weird, mostly cause of the hair :(

I'd much rather get the weird new hair, than the generic hair 95% of Marvel female characters have.

And her old costumes were the definition of generic. So is the new one.

[davepoobond]

Ewww... armpit stubble.

honestly i really do wonder why they didnt clean it off after they noticed that on the first take.

[Sentry]

I'd like to sum up this topic with two words: Boob Window. [IMG]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090226054954/marvel_dc/images/archive/0/07/20120207044239!Power_Girl_0024.jpg[IMG]

Skin tight stuff in comics, I can understand; guys wear it too. Excessive cleavage for female super heroes has always been a bit lulzworthy in the reality sense of it.

Ewww... armpit stubble.

I'd lick her armpit stubble.

[bengraven]

I'd like to sum up this topic with two words: Boob Window.

Keep seeing Connor's other work

[Escape Goat]

Ewww... armpit stubble.

Looks more like veins to me. People do have them.

[Lovely Salsa]

Are there any Scarlett titts?