[Htown]

LOL Justin being an asshole

[Fraeon]

That dude had the worst Morrigan I've ever seen.

[SolarPowered]

That is really basic thinking that doesn't get to the heart of the issue. Mike Z ran into a similar issue as a Tager player against Nu in BBCT. You could double Sent's health and it wouldn't change the matchups at all. All it does is allow more random mistakes to change the flow of the gameplay and that is not good balancing or good gameplay.

They should make it easier for Sent to chase his enemies down instead of allowing for randomness to fall in his favor.

[Infinite]

The hell this commentator talking about? DJ Houshen Felicia and his team for Felicia is superior to Justin's.

[Oldschoolgamer]

This magneto. Wtf.

[Karsticles]

wut I think he needs more health because he has a shit match up against every other other character because he's such a huge target and so easy to open up. Giving him more health with make his situation a lot more fair for him.

This is the wrong way of thinking.

That is really basic thinking that doesn't get to the heart of the issue. Mike Z ran into a similar issue as a Tager player against Nu in BBCT. You could double Sent's health and it wouldn't change the matchups at all. All it does is allow more random mistakes to change the flow of the gameplay and that is not good balancing or good gameplay. They should make it easier for Sent to chase his enemies down instead of allowing for randomness to fall in his favor.

This is the right way. Giving Sentinel some of his MvC2 tools back is the key to him being a decent character. However, he should get a modest health boost (maybe to 1.1 million) because of how big of a target he is for projectiles. IMO, give me back the full screen rocket punch and passive super armor! :-D

[Infinite]

That is really basic thinking that doesn't get to the heart of the issue. Mike Z ran into a similar issue as a Tager player against Nu in BB. You could double Sent's health and it wouldn't change the matchup at all. All it does is allow more random mistakes to change the flow of the gameplay and that is not good balancing or good gameplay. They should make it easier for Sent to chase his enemies down instead of allowing for randomness to fall in his favor.

I agree with that honestly but BB and Marvel are two different games (one has X-factor and assists and plenty more dynamics) so that's not a fair comparison. They are both balanced differently. It actually does change the match up; in marvel and in other games your health is a gauge to how many risks you can take. The more risk Sentinel is allowed to take the more the better for him and any character always. I don't see what you mean by "randomness"

This is the wrong way of thinking. This is the right way. Giving Sentinel some of his MvC2 tools back is the key to him being a decent character. However, he should get a modest health boost (maybe to 1.1 million) because of how big of a target he is for projectiles. IMO, give me back the full screen rocket punch and passive super armor! :-D

Care to explain?

[Infinite]

dp

[Karsticles]

Welcome to the Twilight Zone, where we have two Dr. Strange players facing off.

[Htown]

We just got a real Strange!

WE JUST GOT A REAL STRANGE!

[Jintor]

I love that doom is just cowering the entire match but one good Foot Dive and it's BLENDING TIME

/edit WHAT WAS THAT

[Parallax Scroll]

double strange counter wat

[Fraeon]

SEVEN RINGS OF RAGGADOR.

[Sixfortyfive]

Lame players are fun to watch in this game when their opponent knows what to do about it.

[toddhunter]

Sometimes I just don't get stream monsters...

This is the wrong way of thinking.

A health boost will help a little, but doing enough damage in a combo isn't really a big problem against him regardless

[enzo_gt]

On my way home now. What's the consensus so far from the stream monster end? Seems like if there was a lot of sloppy play on stream it might not have been that great to spectate. I wasn't paying attention all the time but there were certainly hype matches. Particularly Rikir vs. Jago part one and anything with Iron Man.

That's tough, but I know how it feels. Glad you're having a blast, and I'd love it if you uploaded matches. I'm sure all of Marvel-GAF would be happy to take your fights apart and talk them through with you.

Yeah I'm pretty positive about it all and love constructive criticism. The quality is pretty shit though, I don't think people will be able to tolerate it. Can never do harm if your in the pursuit of bettering yourself.

Oh, I actually get a good view of you from time to time! Looks like you had a frustrating set of matches; but if you got something out of it then it was at least worth something. Take that experience and work with it.

Oh god, you could see the salt on my face? Oh god. *runs to archives*

and Autumn just don't have those 500k deep pockets like Capcom. Maybe it'll have a better reception next year with tournaments. The players sound like they are having a blast with the game. Are there any notable players at the tournament for Skullgirls? This is kinda cool. It's like we have secret agents at tournaments or something. :P

Yeah I wanted to rep for GAF but didn't get the chance :(

I don't think Capcom had any money in the TO's pockets, or not enough of it. Seems like Marvel is just big here. TBH, the tournament seemed pretty poorly run, partially because SO many people showed up late or not at all to their matches. By my estimations, we were 3-4 hours behind. I have nothing to relatively compare it to, but I see the issues. For instance, both Marvel and AE were supposed to start at 2. They decided to start AE, and start Marvel hours later.

I just got home from day 1, had plans so I left a bit early. Anyone there that probably saw me I was a big black guy wearing a Free Daffy T-shirt :p I went 1-2 in AE. Lost against General Luke a good bison player, and a honda player. Most hyped match I saw was Rikir vs Jago and Air vs Jimmy which was right beside me. Jimmy had the match so many times but he choked a lot against Air, it was so heartbreaking.

BRO I SAW YOU A HUNDRED TIMES. I COULD'VE SAID HI. :(

[SousedLouse]

The Deadpool player sashayed with his Level 3 and still got the grab? Canadian resets, my god

[Htown]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[StriKeVillain]

The raccoon. That was great, lol.

[goldlion054]

Dat Racoon just inspired at least 1000 people to pick him up

edit: And Justin's haircuts always look so "good"

[FSLink]

Oh my god, seeing legitimate RR play is always so awesome.

[SailorDaravon]

That was a fantastic match with Raccoon.

[Karsticles]

On my way home now. What's the consensus so far from the stream monster end? Seems like if there was a lot of sloppy play on stream it might not have been that great to spectate. I wasn't paying attention all the time but there were certainly hype matches. Particularly Rikir vs. Jago part one and anything with Iron Man.

It's hard to tell because it's based in Canada, so any bad play becomes "LOL CANADIANS". I'm enjoying it fine.

[Mistwalker]

Rocket Raccoon top tier? That was surgical!

[Anth0ny]

THE COON

[djplaeskool]

[Professor Beef]

Of COURSE the one time I look away during a match, a hype Raccoon shows up. Of fucking COURSE.

[Parallax Scroll]

does justin even know how to level frank up

[TheThunder]

"I have never seen anybody just outplay Justin Wong"

Really dude, really ?

[SailorDaravon]

That was pretty rough, wonder if Justin can come back.

[MisterLuffy]

Justin went back to his old team.

[goldlion054]

I almost think Justin needs to go back to the drawing board in team creation. At this rate, I don't think he (or his team) will be able to compete with someone like Champ or Marlin

[enzo_gt]

Also, stream #2 is responsible for Skullgirls, so the people handling all non-Capcom games are to blame for not putting it on. I am not aware of what went down there though. I don't know if it was streamed but at times they would have the projector on BlazBlue with no one playing. Probably before the tournament began, but I'm not sure.

Additionally, Quadratic and vulva are my new best friends.

[Infinite]

Also, stream #2 is responsible for Skullgirls, so the people handling all non-Capcom games are to blame for not putting it on. I am not aware of what went down there though. I don't know if it was streamed but at times they would have the projector on BlazBlue with no one playing. Probably before the tournament began, but I'm not sure. Additionally, Quadratic and vulva are my new best friends.

Man I hope Skull Girls doesn't turn into this years Arcana Heart 3 :(

[Professor Beef]

Man I hope Skull Girls doesn't turn into this years Arcana Heart 3 :(

You know it will.

[Infinite]

You know it will.

:(

[Dahbomb]

Fuck man I missed some Canadian Tony Stark action in Marvel because of Diablo 3.

But which CRACK do I take?

[enzo_gt]

I think it was Rubello (sp?) too, or someone else playing the Blue Stealth Suit Tony who got an Iron Avenger win while the stream was being maintenance for 5 minutes or whatever.

Dahbomb is gonna be jacking off to dem archives. One thing weird I found was Joker wasn't really going for the Repulsar/Mags mixups though, which was odd, but possibly a matchup thing?

[Infinite]

Dieminion can possible take his first major in UMVC3. He looks real strong this week end

[SailorDaravon]

Those were some epic chokes.

[RellyRell28]

I like that dude's name is Teddy Bowser

[Htown]

laughing my ass off here

[Omnicent]

man I'd be full of salt if that was me.

[MisterLuffy]

Wow that sucks for Teddy.

[SailorDaravon]

Woooow at that comeback. That is the worst dropped match of your life son.

[Dahbomb]

One thing weird I found was Joker wasn't really going for the Repulsar/Mags mixups though, which was odd, but possibly a matchup thing?

What team was he up against? If he was up against a RR then I can certainly understand not going for anything like that because Repulsor's hit box is hard to pin down and RR's hit box is even more so. Against RR you want to keep things as simple as possible.

[SolarPowered]

This is the wrong way of thinking. This is the right way. Giving Sentinel some of his MvC2 tools back is the key to him being a decent character. However, he should get a modest health boost (maybe to 1.1 million) because of how big of a target he is for projectiles. IMO, give me back the full screen rocket punch and passive super armor! :-D

I'd be all for buffing him so long as he undergoes systemwide XF nerfs along with the rest of the cast. Last thing we need is an MvC2 God with an addiction to cocaine.

I agree with that honestly but BB and Marvel are two different games (one has X-factor and assists and plenty more dynamics) so that's not a fair comparison. They are both balanced differently. It actually does change the match up; in marvel and in other games your health is a gauge to how many risks you can take. The more risk Sentinel is allowed to take the more the better for him and any character always.

They are both fighters. A lot of the fundamental rules apply just like they might in Tekken or games that skirt the line like Smash.

I don't see what you mean by "randomness" Care to explain?

Randomness pretty much refers to the player themselves... I guess. Most competitive fighters nowadays are built in such a way that inputting "x" leads to "y". Sometimes it leads to other results like "w" or "z" depending on your opponent's reaction(pushblock, DP, invul super, teleport, regular/alpha counter, etc) and the conditions under which you used your move(Nova's beam super that drains red health for example) also play a role. Balancing Sentinel or any other character around the one in a million chance of touching Amateratsu just seems like folly because that one touch is so rare and so many things happen once you are in that touching zone(right in their face). Give him the basic tools like other characters(Dante, Amateratsu, Morrigan, Viper, etc) and you don't have to worry about the dozens of(maybe even more thanks to assists) unpredictable things that can happen during run away. You eliminate that issue and the game reaches the good point even faster. That sweet spot or "good point" is the closeup footies, tension and inevitable combo into death.

Morrigan combined with Doom is a classic example of a duo that has an entire alphabet of answers and it does slow the game down which pisses off a lot of people. The solution to this problem is not to draw out the fight with increased health even though he only has an answer for a handful of letters(no kneejerk nerfs to Morrigan either plz). The solution is to teach the robot how to read by giving him the book full of bullshit and tricks of his own.

Sorry about the rant. This probably sounds kind of stupid and nonsensical

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I just realized how hilarious my statement sounded haha.

I don't think Capcom had any money in the TO's pockets, or not enough of it. Seems like Marvel is just big here. TBH, the tournament seemed pretty poorly run, partially because SO many people showed up late or not at all to their matches. By my estimations, we were 3-4 hours behind. I have nothing to relatively compare it to, but I see the issues. For instance, both Marvel and AE were supposed to start at 2. They decided to start AE, and start Marvel hours later.

SFxT probably wouldn't be at EVO so easily without stuff like Cross assault and the promised 500k for trips, tournaments, events, and so on. I get what you mean though. It's not like this stuff trickles down to the Jaxels and Spookies of our community on a regular basis. Most people are doing this for the love of the game. They also have to be in lockstep with EVO or everything turns into a mess for EVO staff and the people trying to organize events that lead up to EVO.

It's not such a big deal that Capcom pays the community though. That money leads to better production values and better tournaments that we get to watch for free. It's silly to complain too much about this stuff.

[enzo_gt]

What team was he up against? If he was up against a RR then I can certainly understand not going for anything like that because Repulsor's hit box is hard to pin down and RR's hit box is even more so. Against RR you want to keep things as simple as possible.

I don't remember specifics, but I don't believe he called Repulsor Blast once. Always went for drone mixups.

[Infinite]

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Like I agree with most of you points but that's the way of the beast. Marvel is a different game with different dynamics than something like Blazblue and you have to balance the game around those dynamics. Marvel has assists more noticeably and plenty of other things so it has to be balanced differently and around those things than a game with out. Just like how you would Balance an Arcana Heart 3 around Arcanas

You're right though his main thing was his damage out put in xfactor so it was kinda dumb to me to nerf his health instead of that. If he puts you in a situation where he has the momentum and shinning red and you're in a corner he's still gonna be able to kill you.

[RS4-]

Lol Enzo, you showed up?

I didn't bother and I'm not surprised that things are late and ran poorly. Its standard for Toronto.