[bangai-o]

No one care about Last of Us. Well, other than the fact that it is an exclusive. If it was mulitiplat Neogaf would simply dismiss it.

[EvB]

Yep, it would get frowned upon because it was being lined up as a new cash cow from EA or Activision.

But hey, it's ok, itsa Sony.
Not a chance in hell they will be considering it's potential as a longer term franchise. They just don't do that...

[upJTboogie]

No one care about Last of Us. Well, other than the fact that it is an exclusive. If it was mulitiplat Neogaf would simply dismiss it.

Man all I see you do is troll now.

[RdN]

Absolutely.

In the end, what sells consoles are games. If Microsoft can't make some other exclusives past Halo, Gears and Forza sucede, they'll be in trouble.

[Derrick01]

My point was that MS's offering isn't poor in comparison to other platform holders, one game shouldn't be decisive in assessing their strategies.

Well as a gamer I do think it's poor. All they're offering me is halo, gears, fable or forza and that's it. If I want anything else I have to buy a Kinect and that's not happening.

What they're banking on is third parties and telling everyone to buy them on 360 because they're usually better. But I went a step further and cut out the 360 for a PC, since it's even better on there. With no exclusives to hold me down it was an easy choice to make. I wish more people would make that choice so MS can get off their ass and make some big stuff.

[GeoramA]

No one care about Last of Us. Well, other than the fact that it is an exclusive. If it was mulitiplat Neogaf would simply dismiss it.

It's true, nobody cares. Thank you for speaking on behalf of everyone in the world.

[bangai-o]

Man all I see you do is troll now.

what is supposed to be my stance in a thread where xbla games are not "real" games. Just because a game doesnt have a mulitimillion dollar budget or have uber graphics it is disqualified.

[Duxxy3]

If they keep on this path i will keep on not owning an xbox.

[upJTboogie]

what is supposed to be my stance in a thread where xbla games are not "real" games. Just because a game doesnt have a mulitimillion dollar budget or have uber graphics it is disqualified.

All I got from this is you can't see it anyone else's way, that's fine but I don't see the need to troll to retaliate.

[szaromir]

Well as a gamer I do think it's poor. All they're offering me is halo, gears, fable or forza and that's it. If I want anything else I have to buy a Kinect and that's not happening. What they're banking on is third parties and telling everyone to buy them on 360 because they're usually better. But I went a step further and cut out the 360 for a PC, since it's even better on there. With no exclusives to hold me down it was an easy choice to make. I wish more people would make that choice so MS can get off their ass and make some big stuff.

I primarily game on PC, too, but 360 is actually a great complimentary platform. FEZ and Trials Evo were by far the best 2 games that came out in April, later in the year I am looking forward to Halo 4, Crimson Dragon, Steel Battalion, Mark of The Ninja and probably some other xbla titles. I don't think I play more than 15-20 games a year, so 6-8 titles a year on 360 is enough to justify it for me. At the moment I don't see what Nintendo or Sony are doing better to provide better complimentary platform to be honest.

[OldJadedGamer]

I always felt arcade games would be great as a supplement to an also great retail offering, instead that's all they are really putting out. I can understand why some people are okay with this, but they have to understand they're are also a great amount here that feel the opposite, and they don't want a diet of just arcade.

Or some people play good games if they are good... regardless if they come on a disc or not.

[upJTboogie]

Or some people play good games if they are good... regardless if they come on a disc or not.

Power to those people.

[TheExorzist]

I think it doesn't matter if Microsoft continues to push Kinect or not. It won't make a difference in the end. The time of big exclusives is over. I mean, lets be cereal. The games that sell big time these days are all Third Party.

Microsoft will only get a problem if Sony manages to createsomething competitive to Xbox Live. Because, assuming you are not a Microsoft hater or Sony fanboy, there is imo no valid argument why you should buy a multiplatform game for a PS3 instead of the 360.

[pickle]

But isn't being dismissive of XBLA games just because they are indie and/or are of a smaller nature part of the reason why MS isn't taking risks on new IPs this late into the gen? Wouldn't that add fuel to MS deciding not to take a risk with a new IP this late into the gen? Would you prefer it if the critically acclaimed XBLA games were released as retail titles? Should Alan Wake: American Nightmare have been a retail title instead of a XBLA game?

how many different smoke screens do you have dude? it's a simple observation that the exclusive core games on 360 have been paltry at best, yet you drone on about xbla and then business strategy. meanwhile, i'll be waiting for halo 4, with my 360 under a dust cover.

[Derrick01]

Or some people play good games if they are good... regardless if they come on a disc or not.

You make it seem like there is only one level of good or bad.

[CrunchinJelly]

Who's to say their current strategy is their future strategy?

[pickle]

Or some people play good games if they are good... regardless if they come on a disc or not.

i'm guessing you are one of these people.

[TheOddOne]

how many different smoke screens do you have dude? it's a simple observation that the exclusive core games on 360 have been paltry at best, yet you drone on about xbla and then business strategy. meanwhile, i'll be waiting for halo 4, with my 360 under a dust cover.

Because the business aspect is an important thing to look at too and no reason to dismiss it.

[PopcornMegaphone]

I always find it weird these business threads always seem to degenerate in to posters talking about their personal tastes.


Clearly MS's late gen strategy has been brilliant. They've captured the core market, now they're extending the life of their system by adding Kinect and apps. I fully expect more retail core exclusives early next gen, and I seriously doubt many consumers outside of neogaf will care about MS's current (debatable) exclusives drought.

[szaromir]

I always find it weird these business threads always seem to degenerate in to posters talking about their personal tastes. Clearly MS's late gen strategy has been brilliant. They've captured the core market, now they're extending the life of their system by adding Kinect and apps. I fully expect more retail core exclusives early next gen, and I seriously doubt may consumers outside of neogaf will care about MS's current (debatable) exclusives drought.

Not only exclusives - it seems all publishers are waiting until next-gen consoles are out to establish new IPs - hence the current line-up of any publisher.

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

But that's not what we're asking for at all. I want big quality exclusives that also push things forward like they did last gen and every other one before it. Instead 360 owners are lucky if they get yet another halo or gears in a year and that's it. It's a depressing reality for them and it's the reason why I just chose to bail out to PC/PS3 instead of hoping things got better on 360.

That's not what you're asking for at all, but the kind of games that you are asking for are rare on the PS3 as well. Sony publishes a lot of decent games with an occasional gem here and there, and most of their best games are also sequels to already established franchises.

By the way, just to comment on the good ole "When it comes to exclusives, Xbox 360 owners have nothing to look forward to but Halo, Gears, Forza and Fable". With the exception of 2011, every year Microsoft has introduced at least one new core non-Kinect non-XBLA IP, often more, and every year there have been multiple third party exclusives - not necessarily something major, but then again, how many people here only play major games?

You can add all the XBLA and Kinect games to that, dismissal of which makes little sense in the context. And of course, the aforementioned steady stream of Halo, Gears, Forza and Fable, which are the main reason many people own the console.

[Bgamer90]

how many different smoke screens do you have dude? it's a simple observation that the exclusive core games on 360 have been paltry at best, yet you drone on about xbla and then business strategy. meanwhile, i'll be waiting for halo 4, with my 360 under a dust cover.

lol how is it a smoke screen?

You (and others) say that you want more core retail games which is why I asked if it would be better to you if the core oriented XBLA games were retail games.

And yes, I talked about business strategy since it plays a role in the reason why they aren't making that many new core retail IPs this late into the gen.

Sorry for being someone who likes to see/understand why certain things happen instead of just complaining.

[AgentP]

You can add all the XBLA and Kinect games to that, dismissal of which makes little sense in the context. And of course, the aforementioned steady stream of Halo, Gears, Forza and Fable, which are the main reason many people own the console.

So the PS3 had the "no games" meme way back, the 360 will have the "it has XBLA and Kinect games" meme.

Personally I don't weight small DD games anywhere near as much as full games. I have tons of them and never play them, it is just something about being lacking stories and character development. This isn't really true for MP games though.

[Derrick01]

By the way, just to comment on the good ole "When it comes to exclusives, Xbox 360 owners have nothing to look forward to but Halo, Gears, Forza and Fable". With the exception of 2011, every year Microsoft has introduced at least one new core non-Kinect non-XBLA IP, often more, and every year there have been multiple third party exclusives - not necessarily something major, but then again, how many people here only play major games?

Yeah I'm not letting you get away with that without a list or clarifying what you're talking about when you say that. I looked up microsoft game studios games and there's a lot of stuff they published but a lot are smaller crap games or games I never even heard of (japan only games?) or just securing third party games as exclusives.

[Bgamer90]

So the PS3 had the "no games" meme way back, the 360 will have the "it has XBLA and Kinect games" meme.

Different times... silly to compare them. PS3 was just starting out during the time where as the 360 is trying to close out the gen by attracting casuals with the system's cheaper price as well as giving sequels to it's most popular core exclusives to please the typical core gamers.

[Sean]

This current momentum can carry over into next-gen if Sony plays their cards right. A powerful console, modest price, great content from day 1, with software services that match Microsoft (without a pay for online pricing model), can definitely put them into a position where they will take back some of the marketshare they lost in the US and UK if Microsoft does not take their bread and butter audience seriously enough. With Halo 4 releasing on the 360, and a rumored 2013 release date for the 720, what content will they have, exactly? The only thing I can imagine is that they have a continued partnership with Epic, who will produce a strong, exclusive title for launch. Otherwise, I can't think of any other compelling reasons to own a 720 during its launch window.

Both consoles (PS4/Xbox 720) are at least eighteen months away, probably won't be unveiled for another year, and you are speculating about the quality of their launch lineups and pricing? Saying there's no compelling reason to own a 720 at launch when not a single game has been announced for it yet, really dude?

We are barely in the rumor phase of next-gen, it's way too early for this kind of speculation.

[gaming_noob]

Both consoles (PS4/Xbox 720) are at least eighteen months away, probably won't be unveiled for another year, and you are speculating about the quality of their launch lineups and pricing? Saying there's no compelling reason to own a 720 at launch when not a single game has been announced for it yet, really dude? We are barely in the rumor phase of next-gen, it's way too early for this kind of speculation.

LOL a scenario in a vaccuum. Don't even bother with him.

[OldJadedGamer]

i'm guessing you are one of these people.

Yes, I'm a gamer that likes good games.

Personally I don't weight small DD games anywhere near as much as full games. I have tons of them and never play them, it is just something about being lacking stories and character development. This isn't really true for MP games though.

Journey by far is my all time favorite PS3 title. Not even close. No story, no character development, just a pure awesome gameplay experience.

[TheOddOne]

No one care about Last of Us. Well, other than the fact that it is an exclusive. If it was mulitiplat Neogaf would simply dismiss it.

What? I care. Naughty Dog has a hand in it, it might be flawed but I know it will be enjoyable. Massive props to Sony for introducing it this late in the generation.

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

So the PS3 had the "no games" meme way back, the 360 will have the "it has XBLA and Kinect games" meme.

Read the post I was responding to and the one preceding it.

Yeah I'm not letting you get away with that without a list or clarifying what you're talking about when you say that. I looked up microsoft game studios games and there's a lot of stuff they published but a lot are smaller crap games or games I never even heard of (japan only games?) or just securing third party games as exclusives.

Subjective assessment like that goes both ways, one could say absolutely the same thing about a lot of Sony's games, depending on one's preferences. As for the list bereft of all subjectivity, in 2010 there was Alan Wake, in 2009 Ninja Blade (and Halo Wars, which is as much of a new IP as something like LBP Karting is), in 2008 Lost Odyssey and Too Human, in 2007 Blue Dragon, Crackdown and Mass Effect, in 2006 Gears of War, Ninety-Nine Nights and Viva Pinata and in 2005 Kameo.

By the way, what does "securing third party games as exclusives" even mean and why in the world would they not count?

[pickle]

lol how is it a smoke screen? You (and others) say that you want more core retail games which is why I asked if it would be better to you if the core oriented XBLA games were retail games. And yes, I talked about business strategy since it plays a role in the reason why they aren't making that many new core retail IPs this late into the gen. Sorry for being someone who likes to see/understand why certain things happen instead of just complaining.

first you make the ridiculous point about making indie arcade games retail releases. as if that in some way addresses a lack of first party full retail releases. then you start in the sales age stuff, which plays a part, but isn't relevant to the end user that wants exclusive games. also complaining is not what i'm doing. kinect and apps don't interest me. i'm sorry there isn't a nice way to say that.

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

first you make the ridiculous point about making indie arcade games retail releases. as if that in some way addresses a lack of first party full retail releases. then you start in the sales age stuff, which plays a part, but isn't relevant to the end user that wants exclusive games.

The fact that some exclusive games are not retail releases is also not relevant to the end user that wants exclusive games.

[Derrick01]

Subjective assessment like that goes both ways, one could say absolutely the same thing about a lot of Sony's games, depending on one's preferences. As for the list bereft of all subjectivity, in 2010 there was Alan Wake, in 2009 Ninja Blade (and Halo Wars, which is as much of a new IP as something like LBP Karting is), in 2008 Lost Odyssey and Too Human, in 2007 Blue Dragon, Crackdown and Mass Effect, in 2006 Gears of War, Ninety-Nine Nights and Viva Pinata and in 2005 Kameo. By the way, what does "securing third party games as exclusives" even mean and why in the world would they not count?

99 knights, ninja blade and too human are among the worst games of the generation. Also Halo Wars is not a new IP and neither is LBP Kart, whoever said LBP is was crazy.

Buying third party games as exclusive is lazy. They count, but I don't respect someone for just throwing cash at people instead of having an ability to hire talent and fund your own great games. All that does is deprive other people of having a game just to suit some fanboy war that exists between the two companies at times.

[pickle]

The fact that some exclusive games are not retail releases is also not relevant to the end user that wants exclusive games.

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

99 knights, ninja blade and too human are among the worst games of the generation.

That's irrelevant for the discussion (and also subjective, as I already mentioned - plenty of people like or even love those games) because the point people were trying to make is that Microsoft doesn't invest in new IPs. They clearly do and of course they'd prefer if all the games they decided to publish ended up as high-scoring blockbusters, but one can't always predict that kind of stuff, the same way Sony had no way of predicting Lair or White Knight Chronicles, to name just a couple, would end up being underwhelming.

Buying third party games as exclusive is lazy. They count, but I don't respect someone for just throwing cash at people instead of having an ability to hire talent and fund your own great games. All that does is deprive other people of having a game just to suit some fanboy war that exists between the two companies at times.

Buying third party exclusives is a valid business strategy that all platform holders utilize, and it makes no difference to owners of the said platform. Whether you respect it or not is irrelevant. Although I'm still not sure what you mean by that, third party games that are exclusive to one platform (the majority of those are not bought) or first party published games developed by external studios (claiming that there's something morally wrong with that would be just insane).

What's so hard to understand?

[Baconsammy]

XBLA has some of the best exclusives this gen and 9 times out of 10 the big third party games play better on my 360 than my PS3. Not remotely worried about them falling.

[pickle]

What's so hard to understand?

nothing about the post is hard to understand. the utter irrelevance of it is.

[Coxy]

Ninja Blade was in development for ps3 and 360, microsoft paid for it to be 360 exclusive, sony instead chose to pay for the development of Demons Souls.

you can choose to view that as equal, I certainly dont, one is additive, one is subtractive. It's ridiculously short sighted to just look and go "1 exclusive = 1 exclusive" I would much rather go the way that adds a game to a system rather than the one that subtracts a game from the others releases, following the subtractive method will just end up in bidding wars to lock out games until you have to buy 2 systems to get half the amount of games or less.

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

nothing about the post is hard to understand. the utter irrelevance of it is.

Right. It must be, because you say so.

Ninja Blade was in development for ps3 and 360, microsoft paid for it to be 360 exclusive, sony instead chose to pay for the development of Demons Souls. you can choose to view that as equal, I certainly dont, one is additive, one is subtractive. It's ridiculously short sighted to just look and go "1 exclusive = 1 exclusive" I would much rather go the way that adds a game to a system rather than the one that subtracts a game from the others releases, following the subtractive method will just end up in bidding wars to lock out games until you have to buy 2 systems to get half the amount of games or less.

I have no idea where you got the information about Ninja Blade, from the first rumor of its existence it was being talked about as a game whose development was funded by Microsoft. But yes, there have been multiplatform games (or content) made exclusive to one platform by moneyhats from both Microsoft and Sony. It's unfortunate, but it's also the reality of this business and a valid strategy that's been around for decades.

[bangai-o]

Buying third party games as exclusive is lazy. They count, but I don't respect someone for just throwing cash at people instead of having an ability to hire talent and fund your own great games. All that does is deprive other people of having a game just to suit some fanboy war that exists between the two companies at times.

throwing cash at a dev studio is what a production studio is supposed to do.

[Derrick01]

throwing cash at a dev studio is what a production studio is supposed to do.

Yeah, their own studios.

[OldJadedGamer]

Yeah, their own studios.

The majority of Sony first party games were not made by Sony owned studios this gen.

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

Yeah, their own studios.

Oh, so you are claiming that the whole business model of external development, one of the foundations of this industry, is somehow wrong. Wow. Yup, that's insane, no other word for it.

[MercuryLS]

What's so hard to understand?

That you consider yourself the typical end user. The typical console gamer doesn't give a shit about exclusives, they just want a lot of great games. GAF always thinks that if they're satisfied the console/peripheral will be a success. How did that fare with DS/PSP? Kinect/Move? Wii/HD Twins?

In every case GAF's favourite didn't win. Same shit here, MS's lack of big console exclusives won't mean a damn thing when they have every 3rd party game under the sun, many gamers attachment to the Xbox ecosystem because of XBL and their controller which is the favourite amongst many gamers. Also, you'd be stupid to think there won't be a hardcore games slant early next-gen when they're trying to sell expensive hardware to hardcore gamers. Sony's insistence on producing a lot of great 1st party content this gen is admirable, but honestly at this point it doesn't mean a damn thing. Sony keeps releasing 1st party game after 1st party game and the Xbox 360 continues to clean up in NA.

[Bgamer90]

first you make the ridiculous point about making indie arcade games retail releases as if that in some way addresses a lack of first party full retail releases.

How was it ridiculous?

I was just stating if it would it be better if core oriented XBLA games were retail releases... i.e.: Would the complaints about MS not having new core exclusive games stop.

So again, how is it ridiculous?

then you start in the sales age stuff, which plays a part, but isn't relevant to the end user that wants exclusive games.

Depends on the user. Some users understand while other will dismiss the fact.

also complaining is not what i'm doing. kinect and apps don't interest me. i'm sorry there isn't a nice way to say that.

lol I never said that one has to be interested in kinect and apps.

[davepoobond]

people dont want to play games.

they want to have short little burst sections where they're waving their arms around or whatever the fuck then stop doing that because you cant keep doing it for hours and then watch a movie or tv show to polish off the night.

that's where gaming is going. no one wants to play games that we know and love. and microsoft wants to capture that because there is more sustainable ecosystem in movies and tv. they're getting all the benefits of the new trend of gaming by becoming a shitty "all-in-one-but-less-focused-on-games" idea. in fact, its just about evening out to all the different forms of entertainment having an equal share of purpose on the console.

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

That you consider yourself the typical end user. The typical console gamer doesn't give a shit about exclusives, they just want a lot of great games. GAF always thinks that if they're satisfied the console/peripheral will be a success. How did that fare with DS/PSP? Kinect/Move? Wii/HD Twins? In every case GAF's favourite didn't win. Same shit here, MS's lack of big console exclusives won't mean a damn thing when they have every 3rd party game under the sun, many gamers attachment to the Xbox ecosystem because of XBL and their controller which is the favourite amongst many gamers. Also, you'd be stupid to think there won't be a hardcore games slant early next-gen when they're trying to sell expensive hardware to hardcore gamers. Sony's insistence on producing a lot of great 1st party content this gen is admirable, but honestly at this point it doesn't mean a damn thing. Sony keeps releasing 1st party game after 1st party game and the Xbox 360 continues to clean up in NA.

I think you mistook me for somebody, I actually agree with most of that. I was just showing that applying the same kind of logic pickle used to dismiss Bgamer90's second point (Microsoft's business strategy) invalidates his dismissal of Bgamer90's first point (the role of XBLA games).

[Bgamer90]

people dont want to play games. they want to have short little burst sections where they're waving their arms around or whatever the fuck then stop doing that because you cant keep doing it for hours and then watch a movie or tv show to polish off the night. that's where gaming is going. no one wants to play games that we know and love. and microsoft wants to capture that because there is more sustainable ecosystem in movies and tv. they're getting all the benefits of the new trend of gaming by becoming a shitty "all-in-one-but-less-focused-on-games" idea.

lol really?

[elcranky]

... too human are among the worst games of the generation.

LOL, if that is true, what does that say about Sony, when Too Human >>>> than any Sony published game?

[bangai-o]

this argument is getting jumbled. a little confusing about who is arguig to who about what. Anyway, im sorry i said bad things about Last of Us. Hopefully Sony marketing can sell it a million. Also xbla is awesome and whoever thinks Micorsoft is abandoning videogames is a doofus.