[Suairyu]

Guys stop hotlinking Amazon images.

edit - American Gangster was good, no doubt, but not his best. Also it felt like it was missing the ending. Which it was.

Funniest thing, Cameron is a much more consistent director than Scott. If you were to compare their entire library, Cameron would win. It's just that Scott's highs are so much higher. 'Best director of all time' higher.

[Dan]

I just remembered why we don't and think the title will soon be edited without spaces. Hopefully that happens before Dan comes in yelling. Woops! I do think it's fitting for this movie though.

Too late. I got to my post before it was changed. :)

[Junior Asparagus]

how do you know if your imax is liemax?

http://www.lfexaminer.com/20081016.htm about the differences
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IMAX_venues (not a complete list, but there are others out there)

Should be easy enough to check.

[Dax01]

Guys stop hotlinking Amazon images. edit - American Gangster was good, no doubt, but not his best. Also it felt like it was missing the ending. Which it was. Funniest thing, Cameron is a much more consistent director than Scott. If you were to compare their entire library, Cameron would win. It's just that Scott's highs are so much higher. 'Best director of all time' higher.

Completely agreed on this part. None of Cameron's films come close to Kingdom of Heaven for me.

[Staccat0]

Guys stop hotlinking Amazon images. edit - American Gangster was good, no doubt, but not his best. Also it felt like it was missing the ending. Which it was. Funniest thing, Cameron is a much more consistent director than Scott. If you were to compare their entire library, Cameron would win. It's just that Scott's highs are so much higher. 'Best director of all time' higher.

I generally agree, although I'm not a fan of Cameron, so it's easy for me to say.
Still though... why do these threads always come down to Cameron Vs. Ridley? Is it because they both do genre films?

[Dax01]

I generally agree, although I'm not a fan of Cameron, so it's easy for me to say. Still though... why do these threads always come down to Cameron Vs. Ridley? Is it because they both do genre films?

Because either Sculli or Suairyu always brings it up.

[shintoki]

Guys stop hotlinking Amazon images. edit - American Gangster was good, no doubt, but not his best. Also it felt like it was missing the ending. Which it was. Funniest thing, Cameron is a much more consistent director than Scott. If you were to compare their entire library, Cameron would win. It's just that Scott's highs are so much higher. 'Best director of all time' higher.

I'd rather put up Matchstick Men, A Good Year, or Black Hawk Down before American Gangster.

But you are absolutely right about when it is hit, it is out of the park. Hopefully we get another KOH:DC or Alien with this. Though I wouldn't mind something enjoyable and good either. Shows where my normal hype levels are for this too. Heh.

[Edmond Dantès]

So, how would everyone rank Ridley's filmography. I'd rate his historical dramas in this order;

Kingdom of Heaven:DC
Gladiator
The Duellists
1492: Conquest of Paradise
White Squall
Robin Hood

Alien and Blade Runner above all these and as for the rest, I'm not quite sure on the order. Although, I am quite fond of Legend.

[Suairyu]

I generally agree, although I'm not a fan of Cameron, so it's easy for me to say. Still though... why do these threads always come down to Cameron Vs. Ridley? Is it because they both do genre films?

SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME, THERE HAS RAGED A BATTLE SO FIERCE, SO AWESOME THAT...

Because either Sculli or Suairyu always brings it up.

... yeah, this.

Or, more accurately, somebody else just starts the argument and we wade in, axes poised, and fight until we're the only ones fighting.

More accurately still, I'm just trolling in this thread. Sculli and I rarely fight anymore. It's actually quite heartbreaking.

So, how would everyone rank Ridley's filmography. I'd rate his historical dramas in this order; Kingdom of Heaven:DC Gladiator The Duellists 1492: Conquest of Paradise White Squall Robin Hood Alien and Blade Runner above all these and as for the rest, I'm not quite sure on the order. Although, I am quite fond of Legend.

Ranking Gladiator above The Duellists is just obscene. I can't actually include 'Robin Hood' in any Ridley discussion because it's so bad. Not as bad as Legend, but, you know, still down there.

I rate his work thusly:
Blade Runner: Final Cut
Kingdom Of Heaven: Director's Cut
Alien
Other cuts of Blade Runner
The Duellists
Thelma and Lousie
Black Hawk Down (I don't give a shit about how biased and un-political it was in its portrayal of the enemy, it's the most convincing film in the 'a few hours with a single squad' genre ever)
Gladiator
American Gangster

I'll have to re-watch the rest though because it's been ages.

[SalsaShark]

Funniest thing, Cameron is a much more consistent director than Scott. If you were to compare their entire library, Cameron would win. It's just that Scott's highs are so much higher. 'Best director of all time' higher.

Well, its true in the sense that Ridley just plain does more movies, so i see your point.

I guess im biased in a way cause i really just dont like Cameron when he speaks pretty much about anything and his mentality making movies. I hate Avatar with a passion and everything it represents so as far as future projects go (after fuckin re-releasing Titanic in 3D) i just dont care about whatever he does next, and considering what's in line for him i dont think i'll ever will. The way he thinks about movies and mostly the way on how to achieve what he supposedly wants are pretty much the opposite of what i think, and it reflects on his movies so i dont like them.

Ridley is still great, has his head in the right place, and as you said his highs just blow Cameron out the fuckin water.

[Cheebo]

Although, I am quite fond of Legend.

Ditto, I really love Legend. The DC of course. The theatrical cut is pretty forgetable.

[mantidor]

Ugh, are you people talking about Cameron, again?

guess whats awesome about Prometheus? It has close to nothing related to Cameron.

[Suairyu]

Oh god people liked Legend. Outside of makeup and cinematography (it is a Ridley Scott film, after all), it has zero redeeming qualities. Garbage.

[sc0la]

Ugh, are you people talking about Cameron, again? guess whats awesome about Prometheus? It has close to nothing related to Cameron.

Again? they never stopped

[Suairyu]

okay can the cameron fanboys stop shitting up this thread already please. we don't need to discuss aliens or avatar here. i swear you're worse than nolan fans.

[planar1280]

BFCA Prometheus Rating: http://www.criticschoice.com/search?s=prometheus


90/100

same rating it gave Avengers

[StriKeVillain]

Ugh, are you people talking about Cameron, again? guess whats awesome about Prometheus? It has close to nothing related to Cameron.

Every single movie thread always devolves into this.

[planar1280]

okay can the cameron fanboys stop shitting up this thread already please. we don't need to discuss aliens or avatar here. i swear you're worse than nolan fans.

Cameron has made the biggest blockbusters and one of the greatest scifi apocolyptic movies in history

Nolan took one of the worst comic franchises and made it bigger than 99% of movies.

fans of both have the right to be arrogant

[theinfinityissue]

Yes, see in 3D.

I haven't been to the theater in years, but I'm planning to see this. I've never seen a 3d movie, but what exactly is the appeal? Is it like a definitive version, or does it just give you a bad headache? That's pretty much what I remember of 3d stuff.

[Suairyu]

I haven't been to the theater in years, but I'm planning to see this. I've never seen a 3d movie, but what exactly is the appeal? Is it like a definitive version, or does it just give you a bad headache? That's pretty much what I remember of 3d stuff.

Ridley Scott, the greatest visual director of all time, says it's better that way. You shut your mouth and listen.

[shintoki]

Ridley Scott, the greatest visual director of all time, says it's better that way. You shut your mouth and listen.

Robin Hood!

Looking up his flicks on wiki now. Turns out that is also his largest budget film.

[Edmond Dantès]

SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME, THERE HAS RAGED A BATTLE SO FIERCE, SO AWESOME THAT... ... yeah, this. Or, more accurately, somebody else just starts the argument and we wade in, axes poised, and fight until we're the only ones fighting. More accurately still, I'm just trolling in this thread. Sculli and I rarely fight anymore. It's actually quite heartbreaking. Ranking Gladiator above The Duellists is just obscene. I can't actually include 'Robin Hood' in any Ridley discussion because it's so bad. Not as bad as Legend, but, you know, still down there. I rate his work thusly: Blade Runner: Final Cut Kingdom Of Heaven: Director's Cut Alien Other cuts of Blade Runner The Duellists Thelma and Lousie Black Hawk Down (I don't give a shit about how biased and un-political it was in its portrayal of the enemy, it's the most convincing film in the 'a few hours with a single squad' genre ever) Gladiator American Gangster I'll have to re-watch the rest though because it's been ages.

I'd say ranking Kingdom of Heaven:DC above Alien is obscene too. Alien is as close to film perfection as you'll get. KOH has one big flaw that sets it back a great deal in comparison to Alien; a weak leading protagonist in the form of Orlando Bloom's Balian of Ibelin.

Now if the character of Godfrey was omitted (didn't even exist during that period of the crusader era, inspired by Godfrey of Bouillon from the First Crusade) and Liam Neeson was chosen to play Balian instead, well it would be a different story.

[JB1981]

really? :( I was hoping it was being misleading. But I'm sure we can still count on surprises right? to be honest the 3 minute trailer doesn't give away much more than the original teaser trailer if you pay close attention to both, they are showing pretty much the same thing, the latest one only extends the shots.

yes he said there are still surprises and there will be things to debate about amongst friends, family etc after the movies over. apparently there is quite a bit of ambiguity concerning certain things in the plot

[Suairyu]

I'd say ranking Kingdom of Heaven:DC above Alien is obscene too. Alien is as close to film perfection as you'll get. KOH has one big flaw that sets it back a great deal in comparison to Alien; a weak leading protagonist in the form of Orlando Bloom's Balian of Ibelin. Now if the character of Godfrey was omitted (didn't even exist during that period of the crusader era, inspired by Godfrey of Bouillon from the First Crusade) and Liam Neeson was chosen to play Balian instead, well it would be a different story.

I honestly thought Bloom suited the role. His soft voice and pretty features were a match for the character as Ridley envisioned him. I don't believe leading men need to be "strong" if the narrative does not dictate it. Him being a not-strong character until it counts is essential.

[Alligatorjandro]

My most wanted to see movie of the summer.Cannot wait.

[poppabk]

Oh god people liked Legend. Outside of makeup and cinematography (it is a Ridley Scott film, after all), it has few redeeming qualities. Garbage.

Mia Sara.

[Edmond Dantès]

I honestly thought Bloom suited the role. His soft voice and pretty features were a match for the character as Ridley envisioned him. I don't believe leading men need to be "strong" if the narrative does not dictate it. Him being a not-strong character until it counts is essential.

I don't think he ever reached that level of strength you mention and was completely overshadowed by the great Ghassan Massoud who played Saladin to such great effect. Orlando's 'rise a Knight' speech was more awkward than inspiring. Needed someone with more gravitas.

[Net_Wrecker]

M Y B O D Y I S R E A D Y

[sc0la]

They went looking for an official thread, what they found was James Cameron discussion

[Good Job Bob]

okay can the cameron fanboys stop shitting up this thread already please. we don't need to discuss aliens or avatar here. i swear you're worse than nolan fans.

You're the one who started this whole thing.

=\

[Edmond Dantès]

Speaking of KOH:DC, this sword fight between Guy and Balian was just brilliant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xw-myeCHOU

[Suairyu]

Needed someone with more gravitas.

But the lack of gravitas was the point! You don't need gravitas to be inspirational or to rise to a challenge.

Speaking of KOH:DC, this sword fight between Guy and Balian was just brilliant. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xw-myeCHOU

Love the silence of it. Just the sound effects and the juxtaposition of cold steel and hot-coloured cloth.

[PowderedToast]

scott has put out way too much shit to be considered the best of anything anymore. chalk it up to whatever you want, he either doesn't care or he's genuinely become this bad, but 80% of his output is still mediocre.

[Gila]

So what's the ideal setup to watch this movie? IMAX or IMAX + 3D? This is my most hyped movie this year and I want my experience to be perfect. And man, it's going to be a hard sell to get my friends to watch this with me. The trailers don't really show anything and most of their exposure to the Alien franchise comes from AVP. :barf:

I'm deff interested in this question as well. Not too educated on the different movie formats.

IMAX 3D

[Suairyu]

scott has put out way too much shit to be considered the best of anything anymore. chalk it up to whatever you want, he either doesn't care or he's genuinely become this bad, but 80% of his output is still mediocre.

We don't deny it. But his best stuff is amazing, so it kind of overrules it.

That, and no matter how bad a film he releases is, it'll always look amazing. It's why I'm always cautious to say 'greatest visual director of all time' rather than simply 'greatest director'.

[SalsaShark]

c'mon guys lets all be friends

but not really

[Timbuktu]

scott has put out way too much shit to be considered the best of anything anymore. chalk it up to whatever you want, he either doesn't care or he's genuinely become this bad, but 80% of his output is still mediocre.

He doesn't write his movies, so he is dependent on havinga good script. In the period between Titanic and Avatar, he may have made bunch of lesser films, but he also did Gladiator, KoH and Matchstick Man. He's bound to be hit and miss, but it's the hits that counts; it's not as good for his brand, but not everyone is Terrance Mallick or Cameron, i'd rather have more movies.

[Edmond Dantès]

We don't deny it. But his best stuff is amazing, so it kind of overrules it. That, and no matter how bad a film he releases is, it'll always look amazing. It's why I'm always cautious to say 'greatest visual director of all time' rather than simply 'greatest director'.

He's certainly up there with David Lean as 'greatest visual director of all time'.

[BertramCooper]

scott has put out way too much shit to be considered the best of anything anymore. chalk it up to whatever you want, he either doesn't care or he's genuinely become this bad, but 80% of his output is still mediocre.

If Prometheus ends up being something truly incredible, he can pretty much wrap up the title of greatest sci-fi director of all-time.

So there's that.

[3N16MA]

When Scott does a film right it's an absolute masterpiece. His highs are incredibly high and makes you forget about his mediocre stuff (well not entirely but you get the point).

[Simo]

Here's an interview with David Twiss, model and actor who portrays one of the Engineers. Just a fair warning but the interview does contain a fairly BIG MAJOR SPOILER including the opening of the film.
Interview with Daniel Twiss

Also two new TV spots. The first one is spoiler heavy especially given one particular scene that was being talked about in the other thread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbgam...layer_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRyad...layer_embedded

[Amir0x]

man fuck those release dates, fuckin' Belgium gettin' this before us

[artist]

Funniest thing, Cameron is a much more consistent director than Scott. If you were to compare their entire library, Cameron would win. It's just that Scott's highs are so much higher. 'Best director of all time' higher.

Agreed. I'm already working on a Ridley >> Cameron avatar ..

[Suairyu]

Agreed. I'm already working on a Ridley >> Cameron avatar ..

Then you'd look like Good Job Bob, and nobody wants that.

[artist]

Then you'd look like Good Job Bob, and nobody wants that.

Silly, I wouldnt sport it. Would make some one else do it for me. ;)

On a tangential note, just done claiming the OTs for Skyfall and Hobbit. :D

[Solo]

This is why OTs shouldn't go up until the day of release. Otherwise you just get hundreds of garbage posts and round #879 of the usual movie GAF debates.

[3N16MA]

Silly, I wouldnt sport it. Would make some one else do it for me. ;) On a tangential note, just done claiming the OTs for Skyfall and Hobbit. :D

I think the |OT| |OT| thread is good but I'm not sure about claiming OTs so far in advance.

[ElTopo]

man fuck those release dates, fuckin' Belgium gettin' this before us

Be happy you're not in Germany, Spain or Italy. Two (three) months...what were they thinking ? Do they honestly expect such a movie to be successful two months after its initial release ?

[Lakitu]

This is why OTs shouldn't go up until the day of release. Otherwise you just get hundreds of garbage posts and round #879 of the usual movie GAF debates.

Even if you post your Skyfall OT on day 1, I'll still fill my QOS hate quota.

[Suairyu]

This is why OTs shouldn't go up until the day of release. Otherwise you just get hundreds of garbage posts and round #879 of the usual movie GAF debates.

It's actually really fun to prod the hornets nest and see who takes you seriously.

But I actually agree. It was a godsend when the OT limitation was set to one week rather than two (or even a month), but I still think that isn't enough. Two days before seems fine to me.