[tiff]

so given how shitty infantry combat is how terrible is this going to be?

[Fancy Corndog]

Imagine the backlash they would have gotten if they had done the right thing and delayed the PS3 version until they could make it work properly. I'm sure they had no pressure at all to release on all platforms on the same day...none at all.

I don't want to turn this thread into another one of these discussions, especially since it's fixed now, but the people who argue this way are just ridiculous.

It doesn't matter how much pressure, how mad people would have been, how it would have made fanboys feel, whatever. They released a game that was broken, it should never happen. You don't put a game on a shelf for $60 that doesn't work. You don't release broken software, period. Never. It doesn't matter how bad you want to, what troubles it avoids; it doesn't matter. No one should be allowed to get away with putting broken software out to retail like that. It's only in the games industry that someone can apparently do this, suffer no consequences, and have a team of apologists.

[bounchfx]

did they ever fix the thieve's guild bug of not being able to get past the first quest? That's what I've been waiting for :(

[Tyrax]

neat addition
I never really used a horse, not being able to cast clairvoyance was a big issue when exploring.
I like how they are constantly making improvement to the game like the kinect update. Now I wonder if they will make mounted combat an integral part of DLC since it can be baked into the new missions.

[Tomat]

Sweet, put some interesting content that makes exploring fun in the game and we'll talk.

[ElFly]

Not that useful cause horses are already fearsome combatants when you are dismounted.

Options are nice, I guess.

[soldat7]

Riding horses stinks in this game. I'm sure slashing at things from a horse would just make me cry.

[Struct09]

Awesome!

[Exuro]

Just tried it out. Isn't too bad.

Had this funny bug at the beginning. Few shots of my guy readying to attack. Ignore the weird settings, I tried out some mods and stopped playing so they're all strange looking.

[Sojgat]

I'm glad I have waited to play this game. Release of the first dlc will probably be a good time to start, or will they be patching that for six months as well?

[Tricky I Shadow]

Meh, too little too late for me. The game bored me to tears, and this isn’t enough to grab me back.

[Aaron]

I'm glad I have waited to play this game. Release of the first dlc will probably be a good time to start, or will they be patching that for six months as well?

These features are being dripped in probably because the majority of the team are working on the expansion. I expect many of these game jam features to show up around that time, probably as a free update.

[UrbanRats]

Meh, too little too late for me. The game bored me to tears, and this isn’t enough to grab me back.

Once they add all the stuff on the list, maybe.
I'll wait it out, pretending it doesn't exist for now.

[zkylon]

Didn't care much for Skyrim when I played it but this is a really nice attitude from Bethesda. They've come a long way since horse armor.

I wish they addressed the UI in one of these patches, though. After this, I don't see why they couldn't.

[Pollux]

fuck. yes.

[subversus]

Didn't care much for Skyrim when I played it but this is a really nice attitude from Bethesda. They've come a long way since horse armor. I wish they addressed the UI in one of these patches, though. After this, I don't see why they couldn't.

no reason with SkyUI out there

[The_Hitcher89]

My head hurts just thinking about how bad the animation will be for mounted combat. Would have liked to be able to use my bow while on my horse when I played it, might dip back into it soon

[njean777]

Until I can ride dragons and perform combat I could care less. Come on Bethesda let me ride them and be the bringer of death!

[zkylon]

no reason with SkyUI out there

Yeah but it's incomplete and I wish someone did a grid inventory like this: [IMG]http://oi44.************/105w7mh.jpg[/IMG]. edit: Well google skyrim mockup UI and you'll find it easily :P

I wish I had like a free week and I could make my own GUI and be done with it. I hear it's built in Flash so shouldn't be that much of a hassle, if you ignore making it pretty and playable for everyone else heh.

[MightyHedgehog]

Well, since they're adding all of these rather significant gameplay additions as free updates, I wish they'd tweak the melee since it's barely better than Obilivion's for feeling and 'crunch'. Looking forward to mounted combat, but it feels like Mount & Blade will continue to hold the crown for melee feel...even all of these years and many AAA-budgeted games later...

[Demoncarnotaur]

I enjoyed the hell out of Skyrim, but compared to the time waiting for it I found it slightly underwhelming. That said, this is cool that they are adding this, for free no less.

Yeah, for those who don't see the vid these are some of the things created some of which have already been implemented. -Seasonal foliage -Flow based water shader -Spears as weapons with a new animation system -Kill cams for ranged combat (follow the arrow!) and magic -New stealth options like water arrows and assassinations -Guards relight areas -Paralysis runes -Moving platforms and hanging structures in dungeons -Water current in dungeons -Dark dungeons, requiring you to light your path as you progress -New companion options like switching combat style, getting them to train and even craft for you -List favorite followers in the game's menu -Build your own home from scratch -Adopt children -Combine magic to create new attacks -Goblin enemies -'Way Gate' fast travel -Epic mounts like a flaming horse -Mounted combat on horses -Dragon mounts -'Soul bug' familiar -Kinect-enabled 'shouts' -Enhanced water effects -Footprints in the snow -Verlet surfaces for non-rigid objects ... ... Like fat giants! -Ice and fire arrows -Werebears! -Lycanthropy-specific (werewolf) skill tree -Become a flying Vampire Lord -New Vampire imp minions -New Mudcrab animations -Giant Mudcrab enemy

Ok, yeah, I hope the Skyrim DLC adds some of these features, take it to the next level. I would be a happy person.

[SalsaShark]

combining magic is the clear stand out.

[animlboogy]

To everybody saying it should have been delayed to ship with these features...

...why didn't you just wait to buy the game? It would have been cheaper, anyway. Let the rest of us play it.

[The M.O.B]

To everybody saying it should have been delayed to ship with these features... ...why didn't you just wait to buy the game? It would have been cheaper, anyway. Let the rest of us play it.

Todd Howard hyped us up into thinking we would be playing something revolutionary.......instead we just got Oblivion 2.0..........He gets me every time. /sigh

And the game wouldn't have had to be delayed to put in these features if they had put just 1/5 of their marketing budget into hiring more people to actually release a legit finished product.

[TucoBenedictoPacifico]

Just tried it out. Isn't too bad. Had this funny bug at the beginning. Few shots of my guy readying to attack. Ignore the weird settings, I tried out some mods and stopped playing so they're all strange looking.

Just out of curiosity: how do you think it compares with Mount & Blade (which as far as I'm concerned has the best mounted combat around, and even more specifically the best horse archery)?

[Ledsen]

Todd Howard hyped us up into thinking we would be playing something revolutionary.......instead we just got Oblivion 2.0..........He gets me every time. /sigh And the game wouldn't have had to be delayed to put in these features if they had put just 1/5 of their marketing budget into hiring more people to actually release a legit finished product.

It was the least buggy Bethesda game I've ever played on release and it did actually have the features they were hyping before release (like the radiant quest system and the individually designed dungeons). It was most definitely a "legit finished product". It's still a Beth game, with all the usual flaws, and I doubt that's going to change any time soon.

[Htown]

Just out of curiosity: how do you think it compares with Mount & Blade (which as far as I'm concerned has the best mounted combat around, and even more specifically the best horse archery)?

Wooord. Khergit FTW.

[antiquegamer]

Yes it is. They cut all this no-brainier content just so they could meet the holiday sales season Not to say I blame them for rushing it especially since it was probably the decision of some arm chair CEO who just wants money. And the reason it's free is basically them saying "Yeah our fault, this should have been included from the get go, so here its free".

Really? The game has so much content and they are patching for free like the good old days and yet you are still complaining. No wonder we got this stigma of entitlements.

[sublimit]

If only horse animation didn't looked like shit.

[John Rabbit]

Yeah, for those who don't see the vid these are some of the things created some of which have already been implemented. -Kill cams for ranged combat (follow the arrow!) and magic -Mounted combat on horses -Kinect-enabled 'shouts'

they added kill-cams for ranged with the 1.5 update.

[UrbanRats]

I think regardless of what Todd did or did not say, there's something foundamentally broken for me, with the game.
Like Tuco said above, i doubt it's something you can patch or mod out.

Morrowind has been one of my favorite games and its "kinetic force" pushed me to follow the series so far (although Oblivion disappointed me big time) but i guess for me, the love is over, unless they start to seriously overhaul some stuff that is at the basic structure of the game, like combat, for example.
The game seem to completely lack a sense of danger and adventure, aswell as the simple satisfaction of fighting shit (which is the main activity in the game, BTW) and every element seems very shallow, from being a thief to having companions, to the story.
Some things you can mod, some other stuff is simply too rooted to fix.
In exchange, we got some stuff that i couldn't care less about, like the scripted "spectacle" at the beginning of the game or (incredibly bad) voice acting for all the dialogues.

A lot of people are enjoying the game, good for them.

[PuppetSlave]

Dunno, I just 100% the steam version the other day at 180 hours...

Wearbear!?? I'm back!

[Pandaman]

-waits for PonyGAF to take over this thread and create a mod to reskin all mounted combat to mounted pony combat-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcCetcbp5oM

[The M.O.B]

Really? The game has so much content and they are patching for free like the good old days and yet you are still complaining. No wonder we got this stigma of entitlements.

I don't want to get too off track but to say the least, I found much of the "content" to be irrelevant when I had many problems with the core aspects of the game. Namely terrible dungeon design, terrible UI, terrible melee combat, and a boring story.

This mounted combat should be a given feature for a game like this that was omitted so they could rush to their precious 11.11.11 release date.

[Lagspike_exe]

I'll try it when they release DLC. Skyrim in general, hasn't really managed to awe me. I barely put in 50 hours before getting somewhat bored. This is in comparison to Morrowind, where I have at least 500 hours across all characters and 150 in Oblivion. I really hope the upcoming DLC and expansions are going to be great. For me, Fallout 3 is still (by far) the best Bethesda game this gen.

[PinkCrayon]

Seeing a bow killcam from a horse does sound pretty awesome.

[CrocMother]

I don't want to get too off track but to say the least, I found much of the "content" to be irrelevant when I had many problems with the core aspects of the game. Namely terrible dungeon design, terrible UI, terrible melee combat, and a boring story. This mounted combat should be a given feature for a game like this that was omitted so they could rush to their precious 11.11.11 release date.

How are people hating on the dungeon design? That is one of the most impressive aspects of the game IMO.
I thought the user interface was for the most part very intuitive and aesthetically pleasing, especially in comparison to the previous installments.

[Sir Ilpalazzo]

Imagine the backlash they would have gotten if they had done the right thing and delayed the PS3 version until they could make it work properly. I'm sure they had no pressure at all to release on all platforms on the same day...none at all.

Doesn't Sony have a policy that prevents developers from releasing games on their system later unless the Sony version gets extra content?

[Tellaerin]

To everybody saying it should have been delayed to ship with these features... ...why didn't you just wait to buy the game? It would have been cheaper, anyway. Let the rest of us play it.

Because it'd be nice if the rest of you would stop giving companies a free pass to push products out the door with incomplete features and rough edges because you're so damned impatient?

[Ledsen]

How are people hating on the dungeon design? That is one of the most impressive aspects of the game IMO.

The dungeons are all incredibly beautiful, but most of them follow the same template: straight corridor with maybe a few forks that lead to dead-ends, then a boss room at the end. It's hardly Daggerfall levels of complexity.

[CrocMother]

The dungeons are all incredibly beautiful, but most of them follow the same template: straight corridor with maybe a few forks that lead to dead-ends, then a boss room at the end. It's hardly Daggerfall levels of complexity.

Did we play the same game?

Most of Skyrim's dungeons are definitely NOT straight corridors. I'm not claiming "daggerfall levels of complexity", because I've never played it. I have played Morrowind and Oblivion, and liked them both a great deal.

Yep, I liked them both. Imagine that. And I love skyrim as well. FUCK THE HATERS

[Ledsen]

Did we play the same game? Most of Skyrim's dungeons are definitely NOT straight corridors. I'm not claiming "daggerfall levels of complexity", because I've never played it. I have played Morrowind and Oblivion, and liked them both a great deal. Yep, I liked them both. Imagine that. And I love skyrim as well. FUCK THE HATERS

Yes they are. I'm not saying it's literally all corridors, but they're straigth paths where there is very little to explore outside of short side passages. I've played the game for about 50-60 hours so it's not like I haven't seen that many.

Also there's no need to get defensive, I never said I didn't like Skyrim.

[TucoBenedictoPacifico]

How are people hating on the dungeon design? That is one of the most impressive aspects of the game IMO.

Because it's tragically dull by any standard?
Dungeons being pretty doesn't mean to have a good design.
And yes, caves, ruins and dungeons look pretty in Skyrim, but the interaction with them is essentially all the same: walk through them, kill (mostly) autoscaled enemies and loot (definitely) autoscaled loot.
When I explore a dungeon in a RPG or action adventure I want to feel like Indiana Jones in the Cursed Temple or something like that.
I want to be concerned about my safety, I want to find unique stuff, I want to be challenged and then rewarded.
In Skyrim, like in oblivion and in many other half-assed action RPGs, there aren't secrets to find, (relevant) puzzles to solve, decent platforming or (meaningful) traps to avoid.
I know, I know, there are traps in the game... But they are virtually harmless and even when they somehow harm you, the game has some awful health regen, which makes the effort pointless.

Now, here comes the problem with it: exploring ins't rewarding, the combat isn't fun and the loot... it's the same (as it's randomly generated and scaled to your level) all across the world.
So yeah, dungeons are awful.
I don't expect any game to have a dungeon design comparable to Zelda or Legend of Grimrock, but jeez, they could at least make some effort.

I know someone would be tempted to dismiss these things as trivial flaws, but in fact they make the whole world exploration pointless.

[Odrion]

*Bethesda does something that is genuinely cool for free in a era of nickle and diming gamers*

*Gamers bitch and moan regardless, use the news to remind everyone that they think the game sucks*

[TucoBenedictoPacifico]

*Bethesda does something that is genuinely cool for free in a era of nickle and diming gamers* *Gamers bitch and moan regardless, use the news to remind everyone that they think the game sucks*

My first post in this thread:

I don't think that Skyrim can be turned in a good game, no matter how they mod it, cause it's deeply flawed at its core. [CUT] Regardless of that, I'm very happy about these improvements, as there's hope they are going to become standard features for their next games.

Try harder.
Of course, if someone then asks me "How can you not like this thing? HOW IS IT EVEN POSSIBLE?" I'm going to answer the question. If you don't mind.

[UrbanRats]

*Bethesda does something that is genuinely cool for free in a era of nickle and diming gamers* *Gamers bitch and moan regardless, use the news to remind everyone that they think the game sucks*

It's a cool thing they're doing, no doubt, but the critiques were in relation to what this add on adds to the game and if it fixes the problem some people had with it, so it's something beyond the HATERS strawman.

[Vigilant Walrus]

Stuff that should have been in the game in the first place.

news at 11; the world is not Utopia


coming right up - what a deadline is and why priority is important if you don't want to end up like Duke Nukem Forever

[Lakitu]

So is this just another thread in disguise for people to say they think the game sucks?

There are plenty of other threads out there (mainly the OT). This thread is for the discussion of the new patch and mounted combat.

As for mounted combat, about time, I'm looking forward to trying it out.

[Odrion]

VvvvvvvvzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZzzz

alright, throw "backhanded compliments" somewhere in that post

[Upsidedown Fuji]

Too little too late for me. I sold off my completed copy of Skyrim a month or so back. I wish this feature was in the original release build. I could see myself having a lot more fun on horseback. Oh well.