[Haziq]

Don't us with a broad brush. A Wii and a high end PC have been my primary gaming platforms since 2006.

This is what I plan to do next gen, but with a Wii U and a PC.

[Eusis]

I love how much Wii fans suddenly care about graphics power.

While there's undoubtedly a segment that like Nintendo games, BUT wants them to be in HD at least (actually, I guess that minimum could work for me too), I think the bigger reason to care is so third parties stop giving it the shaft, or for people in general to give a damn about non-casual third party offerings. It was really frustrating how the Wii did so well, yet had fairly weak support from third parties, and what support WAS there was either phoned in crap, or good-yet-ignored.

[Haunted]

I love how much Wii fans suddenly care about graphics power.

Nintendo and graphics power
Sony and rumble
Sony/Microsoft and motion tech

Fanboys must be hypocrites, it comes with the territory when these companies switch up tactics from generation to generation (or mid-generation!). :p


That said, Wii having 2001 graphics was easier to stomach in 2006 than it is in 2010 and beyond.

[RetroGreg]

I'm glad new hardware will outperform 7 year old hardware. What a joke.

[Eusis]

That said, Wii having 2001 graphics was easier to stomach in 2006 than it is in 2010 and beyond.

That, and some games practically scream to be played at a higher resolution, even without any other visual tricks 360/PS3 have. Namely Xenoblade, feels like there's way too much detail to be seen in the environments to just be a stretched out 480p, even if character detail may actually be below Xenosaga on PS2.

Actually, 480p stretching just looks kind of ass on my TV period, I actually think GC games can look better as a result. I've considered at times just playing non-stretched, but we're seeing more games that'll be letterboxed if you don't play in widescreen like Xenoblade, and that was already bad enough at 480p as mentioned above.

[Mxrz]

Why? The thread would be exactly the same anyway, haha. It would just have more posts. I'm satisfied with 360 graphics and just want the Wii U to get ports from this gen and next gen systems. Hopefully games like Borderlands will come over if Gearbox is actually impressed/satisfied, though.

That's what I keep wondering (That and why people feel the need to keep posting this as some sort of defense mechanism.) Well, where's Borderlands 2?

Its not like Publishers don't have their reasoning. Console bias has nothing to do with a business, or making money. If Nintendo lacks certain third parties, then it is on them for not creating the market to attract them. But Nintendo has always had the luxury of people buying their consoles just for their own games, if nothing else. The Wii seemed to idolized that approach

[Coolwhip]

I love how much Wii fans suddenly care about graphics power.

You love something you just made up?

[KageMaru]

You love something you just made up?

He's right in a way, it's a point I've brought up a couple times now.

[Plinko]

He's right in a way, it's a point I've brought up a couple times now.

And yet when I challenged you on it you still didn't come up with any solid evidence that it's actually been happening on this board.

Like I said before, most Nintendo fans I've seen on the board seem pretty level-headed about the whole thing. I can see why they'd be excited, though--after the Wii the jump to HD is going to be huge for Nintendo-only gamers.

[plagiarize]

It's high time we leave DX9 behind, too.

yeah. it's time we burned DX9 and Windows XP in a fire. DX9 still being the standard on PC is the worse thing about this console generation going on too long.

He's right in a way, it's a point I've brought up a couple times now.

480p displayed better on your average TV set back in 2006 than it displays on your average TV set now. a lot of us have experienced that first hand. i don't just think Wii games look worse in 2012 than they did in 2006, they actually do, because my new tv displays 480p like ass and this is pretty common.

i think most Wii fans would be happy with Nintendo's first party games rendering in 720p. third party Wii games probably not so much. anyways, i'm just saying there are valid reasons why the Wii is no longer good enough. i can't be the only person who was fine with how most games looked a few years ago who can now barely bring myself to turn it on, and it's not that i wasn't playing 360, PS3 and PC games.

[KageMaru]

And yet when I challenged you on it you still didn't come up with any solid evidence that it's actually been happening on this board. Like I said before, most Nintendo fans I've seen on the board seem pretty level-headed about the whole thing. I can see why they'd be excited, though--after the Wii the jump to HD is going to be huge for Nintendo-only gamers.

What do you want, me to start going through old threads and singling people out?

Was I the only one who witnessed people downplaying the importance of graphics in the thread where the writer was complaining about Xenoblade's graphics?

Why are you even so bothered by it? Are you including yourself in this group of people? Why don't you single out the Nintendo fanboys that make idiotic posts only to disappear when they are brought up? People who only address a certain type of posters or pick and choose which type of trolling to address are always suspect IMO.

[mrklaw]

is everyone double bluffing? Are we all shit talking the WiiU because we're secretly hoping it'll be awesome but we got hurt by Nintendo last time and we aren't going to open ourselves up to that abuse again?

[pyros]

The upad as the radar, oh god please let it be good. The last proper Aliens game for me was on the jaguar, make me scream gearbox

[plagiarize]

The upad as the radar, oh god please let it be good. The last proper Aliens game for me was on the jaguar, make me scream gearbox

if you haven't played AvP Classic on PC, you really should. if you have... *boggle*.

[Easy_D]

is everyone double bluffing? Are we all shit talking the WiiU because we're secretly hoping it'll be awesome but we got hurt by Nintendo last time and we aren't going to open ourselves up to that abuse again?

You know what? Yes.

[Hoo-doo]

And yet when I challenged you on it you still didn't come up with any solid evidence that it's actually been happening on this board. Like I said before, most Nintendo fans I've seen on the board seem pretty level-headed about the whole thing. I can see why they'd be excited, though--after the Wii the jump to HD is going to be huge for Nintendo-only gamers.

Let me point you towards the Wii-U speculation thread. All six of them.

[theBishop]

is everyone double bluffing? Are we all shit talking the WiiU because we're secretly hoping it'll be awesome but we got hurt by Nintendo last time and we aren't going to open ourselves up to that abuse again?

I want all systems to be awesome. As bad as Wii was as a piece of hardware, the system really failed to deliver original software. Back in 2004-2006 when Wii's hardware capabilities were known, there was a common argument. PS3 and 360 would be home to big-budget hollywood blockbusters, while Wii would be a platform for more experimental, artistic games. If this actually happened, I would be first in line to buy a WiiU.

[Khold]

Wii U less powerful than PS360: What a joke Nintendo
As Powerful: Well done Nintendo, welcome to 2005.
More powerful: Good job being better than 7 year old hardware Nintendo.

[plagiarize]

is everyone double bluffing? Are we all shit talking the WiiU because we're secretly hoping it'll be awesome but we got hurt by Nintendo last time and we aren't going to open ourselves up to that abuse again?

i was optimistic about the Wii's capabilities, and was somewhat disapointed by the system yes, but i do genuinely believe that the issue was mostly the poor IQ (480p, lots of dithered low colour games like on the GameCube) and lack of pixel shading.

i'm not expecting something much more powerful than the PS3 in the WiiU. i'm looking forwards to the much more modern architecture and i think the WiiU Pad is a great idea. i'm getting one at launch for this game (presuming this game is launch as we all suspect).

i'd be happy if it was just a Wii with good IQ, full colour precision and pixel shading. i hope games will be running at proper 720p as a baselevel, but expect to be disapointed there.

[thehillissilent]

Wii U less powerful than PS360: What a joke Nintendo As Powerful: Well done Nintendo, welcome to 2005. More powerful: Good job being better than 7 year old hardware Nintendo.

Yeah, they can't win.

[Coolwhip]

Wii U less powerful than PS360: What a joke Nintendo As Powerful: Well done Nintendo, welcome to 2005. More powerful: Good job being better than 7 year old hardware Nintendo.

More powerful than ps4/720: The controller sucks, Nintendo is kiddy.

[daebo]

And yet when I challenged you on it you still didn't come up with any solid evidence that it's actually been happening on this board. Like I said before, most Nintendo fans I've seen on the board seem pretty level-headed about the whole thing. I can see why they'd be excited, though--after the Wii the jump to HD is going to be huge for Nintendo-only gamers.

Not to play devils advocate because let's be honest, I'm sick of this ridiculous circle we are going through with on a daily basis...

but wouldn't what I bolded be a request wanting updated graphics? If not, they would be happy with Wii like graphics and just want more horsepower for other stuff.

[Lothars]

Wii U less powerful than PS360: What a joke Nintendo As Powerful: Well done Nintendo, welcome to 2005. More powerful: Good job being better than 7 year old hardware Nintendo.

They did it to themselves, It's just after how the Wii turned out. I am highly skeptical of anything they are going to do.

[Khold]

Yeah, they can't win.

Well, unless they decided to make it stronger than the 720 or PS4 by having a 2 generation hardware jump. It's not happening but that's what people want.

[H_Prestige]

You love something you just made up?

These types of "See, look what he said! I was right, I was right, the Wii U really is better!" threads wouldn't exist otherwise. Just let the hardware come out and let the games' performance speak for themselves. I'm pretty sure nobody here actually has a Wii U or is programming games for it, so these topics are no less bullshit than the other ones quoting a guy who says the console is only about the same as ps360.

[daebo]

These types of "See, look what he said! I was right, I was right, the Wii U really is better!" threads wouldn't exist otherwise. Just let the hardware come out and let the games' performance speak for themselves. I'm pretty sure nobody here actually has a Wii U or is programming games for it, so these topics are no less bullshit than the other ones quoting a guy who says the console is only about the same as ps360.

Bingo.

Hell, I'd all be for locking up every one of these threads because they all turn out the same... Only have threads that has legitimate info... new game, actual real hard #s, etc. All this he said/she said bullshit just lock it up and save all the yahoos keep getting themselves banned... unless these threads stay open because we are trying to thin the herd out a bit :lol

[sillymonkey321]

Wii U less powerful than PS360: What a joke Nintendo As Powerful: Well done Nintendo, welcome to 2005. More powerful: Good job being better than 7 year old hardware Nintendo.

For the last part, gamers who complain want "more powerful" to mean significantly more powerful, not slightly. The wait till E3 continues.

[Mxrz]

Yeah, they can't win.

This is NeoGAF. What company can win? Why would we even want them to? Giving companies a free pass is for enthusiast sites.

Except Valve. Gaf loves Valve.

[ffdgh]

Wii U less powerful than PS360: What a joke Nintendo As Powerful: Well done Nintendo, welcome to 2005. More powerful: Good job being better than 7 year old hardware Nintendo.

just about sums it up.

[Alien Bob]

Well, unless they decided to make it stronger than the 720 or PS4 by having a 2 generation hardware jump. It's not happening but that's what people want.

"So what if it's two generations ahead? Power doesn't matter when kiddy third party casual online gimmick blaaaaaaaaaargghhh"

[Plinko]

A. What do you want, me to start going through old threads and singling people out? B. Was I the only one who witnessed people downplaying the importance of graphics in the thread where the writer was complaining about Xenoblade's graphics? Why are you even so bothered by it? Are you including yourself in this group of people? Why don't you single out the Nintendo fanboys that make idiotic posts only to disappear when they are brought up? People who only address a certain type of posters or pick and choose which type of trolling to address are always suspect IMO.

A. Just want some evidence is all. It's easy to make blanket statements about people and then not back it up.

B. I recall the Xenoblade/Chris Kluwe thread for the chaos, but I don't really see the issue with people trashing the idea that graphics don't have to take away from gameplay. I find the PSX and PS2 to be full of absolute classics that I still play yet they have awful graphics.

C. I'm only bothered by grenade-throwers that don't back up statements with evidence, which you haven't. As for me, I own a Wii, PS3, 360, Vita, and 3DS. Most of my gaming time comes from PS3/360.

[Neo C.]

No doubt, there is a group of Nintendo fans who are very invested in the graphics debate, though I would say it's a vocal minority.

I would be okay with Wii U even if it were lower than 360 tech wise. *shrug*

[EloquentM]

What do you want, me to start going through old threads and singling people out? Was I the only one who witnessed people downplaying the importance of graphics in the thread where the writer was complaining about Xenoblade's graphics? Why are you even so bothered by it? Are you including yourself in this group of people? Why don't you single out the Nintendo fanboys that make idiotic posts only to disappear when they are brought up? People who only address a certain type of posters or pick and choose which type of trolling to address are always suspect IMO.

What are you talking about? The whole of Nintendo-GAF is always calling attention to his beautiful they think xenoblade is. They even defended its graphics in that very thread expressing how much of an achievement it is given the hardware it was designed on.

They did it to themselves, It's just after how the Wii turned out. I am highly skeptical of anything they are going to do.

So you're just bitter. No room for discussion there.

[Plinko]

Let me point you towards the Wii-U speculation thread. All six of them.

I've read through most of those threads and was actively participating. Again, the vast, vast majority of posters in those threads are level-headed and don't expect a powerful beast of a console. They also don't seem to be "downplaying" graphics at all.

[Penguin]

These types of "See, look what he said! I was right, I was right, the Wii U really is better!" threads wouldn't exist otherwise. Just let the hardware come out and let the games' performance speak for themselves. I'm pretty sure nobody here actually has a Wii U or is programming games for it, so these topics are no less bullshit than the other ones quoting a guy who says the console is only about the same as ps360.

I feel like these threads exist to counter the.. "Wii U is on par or beneath the current gen" threads.

I honestly think both types of threads are pointless. As you said, let's find out what happens in less than 2 weeks.

You can say anything, but you also have to back it up

[Coolwhip]

Not to play devils advocate because let's be honest, I'm sick of this ridiculous circle we are going through with on a daily basis... but wouldn't what I bolded be a request wanting updated graphics? If not, they would be happy with Wii like graphics and just want more horsepower for other stuff.

I think people are excited about the Wii U because of various things:

-HD visuals, a lot of people have 1080p tvs now, Wii simply looks outdated on those
-The tablet controller, lots of fun possibilities
-New online platform

Those things will make Nintendo only gamers very happy. It's not about graphics.

If I owned an Xbox 360 I wouldn't be all that excited about the 720. You will get better visuals, but on the 360 the visuals are already very solid and more importantly the 360 already has a fantastic online platform.

[EloquentM]

Let me point you towards the Wii-U speculation thread. All six of them.

You obviously haven't been reading the threads.

[EloquentM]

I feel like these threads exist to counter the.. "Wii U is on par or beneath the current gen" threads. I honestly think both types of threads are pointless. As you said, let's find out what happens in less than 2 weeks. You can say anything, but you also have to back it up

These threads are made because new news = new threads. The posters are the ones who skew the news into such a hyperbolic negative and positive light.

[daCuk]

GrotesqueBeauty also an appropriate way to describe Wii U's sub-HD, last gen visuals

Because you have one at home, I suppose...

[GhostTrick]

So end of story: It's ~as strong as a PS3/Xbox360 (minimal stronger), but with "newer" tech/hardware. Aha.... still crappy hardware. Good? Because it has the hardware power of a over 6 year old console?

Who said it will have the hardware power of a over 6 year old console ?
They just said that their games will "at least" looks as good as PS3/360 version.
What does it means ? At least, you'll have the same game. Is it a problem ? Not really, because I don't see them making a special version of this game.
Back in 2005, when 360 had port from Xbox/PS2/Gamecube games, does it meant that Xbox 360 was just the hardware power of a over 6 years old console ?
I mean look at "Gun". It was just a port running at 720p...and had the same graphics/framerate.
Look at first Xbox 360 games, which looked like Xbox games !

[daebo]

These threads are made because new news = new threads. The posters are the ones who skew the news into such a hyperbolic negative and positive light.

but is this new news?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthre...hlight=gearbox

There is that thread and it's been discussed so many times in the speculation thread... Hell, there was a gearbox wii u best version thread created immediately to combat the darksiders 2 thread.

This is not new. This is, hell, I don't even know what anybody is trying to accomplish anymore. Again, I ask myself why the hell do i keep coming in these threads.

I will be happy come release day and I'm playing and I won't care what anybody says...

[rollingstart]

I can see why they'd be excited, though--after the Wii the jump to HD is going to be huge for Nintendo-only gamers.

Tangentially related: I wonder if these Nintendo-only gamers will ever play Arkham Asylum or Darksiders 1. That's the strangest part of all the Wii U drama to me. Arkham City and Darksiders 2 were two of the more prominent Wii U game of last E3 and sequels to PC, 360, PS3 games. It's a bit like Mass Effect 2+3 on PS3 without Mass Effect 1.

I'm excited for the Wii U for better looking Nintendo games. But as someone who primarily plays games on PC, who also owns all the consoles, I find it a bit difficult to empathize with those going in for multiplatform games.

I'm not sure how it works. I have a friend who only buys one console at launch, then at the end of the cycle, when everything is cheap, goes through the games he missed. That's what I'm planning to do next gen. So Is it like that? or just ignore that the prequels exist?


and fwiw, for Aliens Wii U there's an additional quirk that makes it as interesting as the PC version to me (the screen as a scanner). I'm not interested in the game, but I'm saying there's something other than graphics to differentiate Wii U versions of multiplatform games.

[EloquentM]

but is this new news? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthre...hlight=gearbox There is that thread and it's been discussed so many times in the speculation thread... Hell, there was a gearbox wii u best version thread created immediately to combat the darksiders 2 thread. This is not new. This is, hell, I don't even know what anybody is trying to accomplish anymore. Again, I ask myself why the hell do i keep coming in these threads. I will be happy come release day and I'm playing and I won't care what anybody says...

If you frequent that thread you should already have a level headed understanding of what to expect out of the wii u. The general populous however does not hence this article being news however redundant it may be.

[les papillons sexuels]

so my guess is that the wii-u can handle some more advanced techniques but in terms of pure processing power and raw numbers it's not much more powerful then current gen hardware.

[StevieP]

I want all systems to be awesome. As bad as Wii was as a piece of hardware, the system really failed to deliver original software. Back in 2004-2006 when Wii's hardware capabilities were known, there was a common argument. PS3 and 360 would be home to big-budget hollywood blockbusters, while Wii would be a platform for more experimental, artistic games. If this actually happened, I would be first in line to buy a WiiU.

It did happen.

so my guess is that the wii-u can handle some more advanced techniques but in terms of pure processing power and raw numbers it's not much more powerful then current gen hardware.

Good guess

[EloquentM]

so my guess is that the wii-u can handle some more advanced techniques but in terms of pure processing power and raw numbers it's not much more powerful then current gen hardware.

That's a good guess but we still don't know and will likely not know unless specs are leaked or the console is torn down. Next best guess is to compare games built from the ground up. In the wii u thread it's expected that the console will have some form of fixed functionality for things such as lighting. That's what I'm looking out for when I see multiplat games. If wii can sell me on that I'll have no qualms about buying multiplat games did it.

[Always-honest]

Nice to hear that the Wii-U will have the least ugly version

[orioto]

so my guess is that the wii-u can handle some more advanced techniques but in terms of pure processing power and raw numbers it's not much more powerful then current gen hardware.

That was my guess to but the guys in the speculation thread convinced me that they had proof it was more than that!

[StevieP]

That was my guess to but the guys in the speculation thread convinced me that they had proof it was more than that!

As I said in another thread:

A better CPU with 3x the cache, 3x the ram, 3x the EDRam and double the GPU grunt (with additional capacity via some kind of fixed-function extensions).
What kind of results would you expect from that? I'll tell you one thing: it's not going to touch my high-end PC. But then neither will any of the other consoles. That's not why you buy consoles.

[EloquentM]

As I said in another thread: A better CPU with 3x the cache, 3x the ram, 3x the EDRam and double the GPU grunt (with additional capacity via some kind of fixed-function extensions). What kind of results would you expect from that? I'll tell you one thing: it's not going to touch my high-end PC. But then neither will any of the other consoles. That's not why you buy consoles.

I buy them because each respective company is paying me to spew their agenda.