[Gaborn]

You officially baffle me Gaborn. It's like you hate the fact that Obama did this and will use any opportunity to demonize him for doing so.....and yet you support Ron Paul.

No. I only bring it up to give it perspective. I'm thrilled Obama may make a difference in Maryland but it IS upsetting and it should be mentioned because it's true that he could have had an opportunity to do the same for NC. All this shows to me is, as great as it is for Maryland he clearly could have helped in NC. Maybe it wouldn't have been enough but considering the size of the shift what if it DID?

Obama deserves credit now and in the future for states like Maryland with large black populations being crucially influenced to support equality, but the timing (one day after the NC vote) dampens the sense of triumphalism for me. I think that's a fair position to take.

[TacticalFox88]

No, OBAMA said he was "evolving" on gay marriage. That was his phrase. In reality he favored gay marriage in 1996.

Doesn't matter now. He can't back out. Its full steam ahead

[Gaborn]

Doesn't matter now. He can't back out. Its full steam ahead

Agreed.

[Kinitari]

It's crazy to me that gay marriage is such a big issue in the states. Sometimes I get all caught up in the discussion and the craze, and then I realize where I live, no one has really given a fuck about gay marriage in like 15 years. Our country didn't explode after it was legalized or anything.


That being said, as much as I like to lord my country over the US in that smug... annoying way non-Americans love to do, I'm glad there seems to be positive change happening.

[SteveWinwood]

Man I'm still pissed Obama didn't influence Baker v. Nelson. What a jerk.

[ssolitare]

No. I only bring it up to give it perspective. I'm thrilled Obama may make a difference in Maryland but it IS upsetting and it should be mentioned because it's true that he could have had an opportunity to do the same for NC. All this shows to me is, as great as it is for Maryland he clearly could have helped in NC. Maybe it wouldn't have been enough but considering the size of the shift what if it DID? Obama deserves credit now and in the future for states like Maryland with large black populations being crucially influenced to support equality, but the timing (one day after the NC vote) dampens the sense of triumphalism for me. I think that's a fair position to take.

Find whatever reason you need to hate, we already know that nothing is good enough.

Seriously though, I'm tired of this woulda, coulda, shoulda argument. His "endorsement of" is making a difference, so now we can think about future actions that need to happen.

[quaere]

This is moving so fast I bet in 2016 most Republicans won't campaign on the issue anymore, and in 2020 banning gay marriage leaves their platform entirely.

It will be amazing to watch social conservatives get soundly defeated in the greatest battle of their culture war.

[derder]

No, OBAMA said he was "evolving" on gay marriage. That was his phrase. In reality he favored gay marriage in 1996.

My mistake.

Still, I'd prefer if we didn't use that term in this context.

[Gaborn]

Find whatever reason you need to hate, we already know that nothing is good enough. Seriously though, I'm tired of this woulda, coulda, shoulda argument. His "endorsement of" is making a difference, so now we can think about future actions that need to happen.

Your insecurity is kind of amusing. I'm sorry I'm not being all positive but I hardly think what I said is "hate" it's just not cheering this without any perspective.

[cartoon_soldier]

This is moving so fast I bet in 2016 most Republicans won't campaign on the issue anymore, and in 2020 banning gay marriage leaves their platform entirely. It will be amazing to watch social conservatives get soundly defeated in the greatest battle of their culture war.

You underestimate Republicans.

If Romney wins, they will say it was because he was against Gay Marriage.

If Romney loses, they will say it was because he wasn't conservative enough.

[TacticalFox88]

This is moving so fast I bet in 2016 most Republicans won't campaign on the issue anymore, and in 2020 banning gay marriage leaves their platform entirely. It will be amazing to watch social conservatives get soundly defeated in the greatest battle of their culture war.

I look forward to the day I tell my children how the LBGT community was treated in the past and they tell me in more or less words. "Dad what the fuck was wrong with your generation?"

[Sho_Nuff82]

Really ? What if he came out and said Weed should be Legal ? Do you think that wouldn't change alot of peoples minds on it. Aside from that Obama isn't the only one to come out in support of Gay marriage in recent weeks.

Do you think Jay Z and the NAACP come forward when they did without Obama's statement? He got the ball rolling. The big advantage of being the president.

[-COOLIO-]

this thread got gaborned quickly

[Pandaman]

I look forward to the day I tell my children how the LBGT community was treated in the past and they tell me in more or less words. "Dad what the fuck was wrong with your generation?"

and you will say 'baby boomers'.

[Dax01]

Too little too late.

IT'S TOO LATE

[Mondriaan]

I guess it's easy to blame Obama for not speaking sooner, now that we've seen the effect, but I doubt that Obama knew how much of a difference he could make and decided to sit on it.

[-COOLIO-]

so perhaps if he had evolved one month earlier we might have seen a similar shift in North Carolina when it would have mattered?

never one to see the bright side eh?

[Jokergrin]

This image represents what is happening.

[genjiZERO]

It doesn't surprise me. Reasonable people can see how the traditional stance by the Black community is irrational and hypocritical. It just needed a few prominent leaders to change stance to get the ball rolling for a change of perception.

[LegendofJoe]

And I say, Better late than never.

So do I, I said as much earlier in the thread. I am from North Carolina though, so I wish Obama had announced his support a few days earlier. He didn't and the LGBT community in NC will have to wait a while longer before they are given equal protection under the law. It's great for states like Maryland, but it was too little too late in North Carolina.

[Ponn01]

Kinda sad that one man's words can change people's minds so quickly. What happened to thinking for yourself? But glad it's happening.

I know right?! Been saying this about Limbaugh and Beck for years.

[nyong]

People are sheep.

[Amory]

I don't understand the logic. "Grrr no way the gays should be able to get married!...Wait, what? Obama says it's cool? Good enough for me."

[Dali]

so perhaps if he had evolved one month earlier we might have seen a similar shift in North Carolina when it would have mattered?

So it doesn't matter in NC anymore?

[Dragon]

I don't understand the logic. "Grrr no way the gays should be able to get married!...Wait, what? Obama says it's cool? Good enough for me."

That's because that's not what happened. Most of the people affected by Obama's pronouncement hadn't even really taken the time to think about it in the first place.

So it doesn't matter in NC anymore?

I live in Charlotte, NC and I found myself disgusted with my state over Amendment 1, however I'm not sure that Obama saying what he said a week earlier would have caused enough of a difference to change the outcome. It overwhelmingly passed 60 to 40.

[TacticalFox88]

I don't understand the logic. "Grrr no way the gays should be able to get married!...Wait, what? Obama says it's cool? Good enough for me."

...do people not read the OP anymore? It already addressed that.

[MWS Natural]

Poll: People of Color More Likely to Support Gay Marriage Than Whites

Great, now those from the last thread can stfu about black people keeping gayz from der rites!!!

I don't understand the logic because I refuse to read the OP.

[SteveWinwood]

So it doesn't matter in NC anymore?

It's a lost state! Cut it off, it's dead to us.

[Sho_Nuff82]

I don't understand the logic. "Grrr no way the gays should be able to get married!...Wait, what? Obama says it's cool? Good enough for me."

Sheeple generally rally behind outspoken community leaders. And as the article pointed out, the support statements opened up dialogue for the first time in a lot of households where the subject was taboo.

[Dragon]

Great, now those from the last thread can stfu about black people keeping gayz from der rites!!!

Your whole "I'm a victim" schtick is getting old.

[Amory]

That's because that's not what happened. Most of the people affected by Obama's pronouncement hadn't even really taken the time to think about it in the first place.

Ah well that's ok, then. It's not like it's been a huge issue for a while.

[GhaleonEB]

What about the Lebanese in Rhode Island? How do they feel about things?

It was not a random selection. There is a same-sex referendum in Maryland that PPP was polling about.

[teruterubozu]

That's because that's not what happened. Most of the people affected by Obama's pronouncement hadn't even really taken the time to think about it in the first place.

Really? Jay-Z, 50 Cent, the NAACP, etc. - never thought about this issue?

[Dali]

That's because that's not what happened. Most of the people affected by Obama's pronouncement hadn't even really taken the time to think about it in the first place. I live in Charlotte, NC and I found myself disgusted with my state over Amendment 1, however I'm not sure that Obama saying what he said a week earlier would have caused enough of a difference to change the outcome. It overwhelmingly passed 60 to 40.

I'm taking exception with Gaborn's attitude which comes across almost as though he'd rather Obama had said nothing rather than say what he said when he decided to say it. Sefl-serving or not its helping his cause.

[DY_nasty]

Your whole "I'm a victim" schtick is getting old.

Where is this "victim" shit coming from?

Really? Jay-Z, 50 Cent, the NAACP, etc. - never thought about this issue?

Thinking about it and talking about it are two very different things.

[Stet]

"Too little too late" is so myopically partisan.

[teruterubozu]

Thinking about it and talking about it are two very different things.

Well, the post said "thinking" so that's what I'm addressing. You can take it to another tangent if you wish.

[DY_nasty]

Well, the post said "thinking" so that's what I'm addressing. You can take it to another tangent if you wish.

Its a fair tangent at least. An open dialogue being formed and encouraged is a big step, no?

[teruterubozu]

Its a fair tangent at least. An open dialogue being formed and encouraged is a big step, no?

Why yes. Just making an observation - no opinion is being expressed here. (I'm not getting into the Gaborn thing like the rest of you)

[Volimar]

Leadership.

Edit - Gaborned?

inb4 Maybe next time the President will ask permission from Congress.

[Mr. B Natural]

People are sheep.

That was my first thought as well. I mean, sure, good, but my god, have a thought of your own.

And yeah, it may very well be too little too late if Obama doesn't win the next election. We'll get a blow back president and then, sure, eventually gay marriage will be legalized, there is little anyone can do to stop it, but it is going to take longer than it already should have.

And things are "taboo" by the way, because they're "bad" and "offensive," not because people just forgot to talk about it and obama reminded them.

[theignoramus]

Your whole "I'm a victim" schtick is getting old.

I dunno about his "Im a victim schtick", but it was implied in other threads that we were the most obstinate,problem community when it came to gay rights. i
all this poll shows is that the opposition in the black community was wide but not deep.

[DY_nasty]

I dunno about his "Im a victim schtick", but it was implied in other threads that we were the most obstinate,problem community when it came to gay rights. i all this poll shows is that the opposition in the black community was wide but not deep.

That too.

And again, its not like the black vote is some overwhelming force either. Its also great when someone points out factors behind why shit is happening or why X is in Y position and they get with "stop playing the victim card". Its ignorance and arrogance mixed into one.

[justjohn]

Perhaps he should endorse two parent families, striving for higher education and Entrepreneurship, since his followers are clearly incapable of independent thought.

some would say he should endorse jumping off a cliff.(the racist kind, mind you)

[Davidion]

[Gustav]

Good stuff, US. Keep it coming.

[Dragon]

That too. And again, its not like the black vote is some overwhelming force either. Its also great when someone points out factors behind why shit is happening or why X is in Y position and they get with "stop playing the victim card". Its ignorance and arrogance mixed into one.

I was speaking specifically to the poster. We can go back to the other thread where you got totally roasted by Hitokage to see what ignorance and arrogance mixed into one is. Because you certainly demonstrated that pretty well :).

[DY_nasty]

Perhaps he should endorse two parent families, striving for higher education and Entrepreneurship, since his followers are clearly incapable of independent thought. some would say he should endorse jumping off a cliff.(the racist kind, mind you)

this is just dumb and lazy

[DY_nasty]

I was speaking specifically to the poster. We can go back to the other thread where you got totally roasted by Hitokage to see what ignorance and arrogance mixed into one is. Because you certainly demonstrated that pretty well :).

What are you talking about? When Hitokage reached back to the constitution being drawn up and cited that?

You tell me what's wrong with that comparison. Because someone else addressed it before I even had to.

Again, feel free to explain what this "victim card" stuff is in detail. Because there is hardly ever a time when it makes sense. I'd love to hear it.

[justjohn]

this is just dumb and lazy

How is it dumb and lazy? why are they suddenly supporting gay marriage? are they supporting it because they finally realize its dumb to deny rights to another opressed group or the messiah finally endorsed it.