[Ryoku]

EA acquired 62% of DICE in 2004, soon after they made BF1942, so they weren't always a part of EA.

Still doesn't render my point irrelevant. DICE is a subsidiary of EA now, and the fact that people try to refuse to believe that DICE is part of EA boggles my mind. EA publishes great games, too, and people don't want to believe that because it isn't cool to do so. They get blinded by the terrible stuff EA does practice, which I can't blame them for doing. It's always better to try and have unbiased views on such topics.

[AppleMIX]

How so? It's nowhere near as big as EA is, and doesn't force you to play through an awful digital distribution software.

They just force you to use GFWL, which is 10 times worse than Origin.

[Neverfade]

This is what passes for humor these days.

[Alex]

Honestly, the whole "hate EA" bandwagon really began to roll when they came out with Origin and made games requiring Origin, and removing some from Steam. Valve fanboys are terrible, and I kind of blame them for the recent upsurge in the EA hate. They don't want competition on the PC platforming side. They really do believe Valve gets everything they do 100% right. Steam still has loads of bugs that haven't been bothered to be looked at. EA still comes out with great games. Sure, their practices might be questionable, but it only became news recently for some reason. Other companies have practices that are just as bad. EA isn't really helping the cause, either, though. When Origin was released, it was terribly optimized, thus had a huge memory footprint. I don't know if it has gotten better or not, so I won't comment on that. I'm not defending EA, but I'm not a fan of them, either.

EA is horrible, but so is basically every games publisher, including most of the fan favorites. All of them do the same bullshit (some of the beloved ones do it even worse, just candy coated) and the hate only gets applied to a couple, it's silly. The internet is extremely random in what it chooses to pour it's phony rage into.

You can like games without liking the publisher, they're not there to be your fucking buddy anyway, that's why I can never understand some of the fanthings in this industry.

[GrandHarrier]

Yep, bad practices in any market will continue as long as people support it.

I don't like any digital platform that forces me to be online. You'd support me in not supporting steam until it changes? (For the record, I don't use Origin except for my copy of Dragon Age Origins.)

I vastly prefer GOGs approach.

[Red Arremer]

They just force you to use GFWL, which is 10 times worse than Origin.

Eh, most if not all of those games also are available on Steam, so that's not really a good point.

[Endo Punk]

If you are going to be the need core gamer equivalent of a racist (labeling an entire group with an attrubute) you might as well qualify it with an explanation. Are people "braindead" for liking games EA publishes? Or only certain ones? Or is this an Origin vs. Steam comparison? I like Left 4 Dead on 360. Is that OK? If so, because Valve made it? Or do you dislike EA produced rather than EA distributed?

If you enjoy EA games then Im happy for you but if you hate EA and still support them then you only have yourself to blame.

How so? It's nowhere near as big as EA is, and doesn't force you to play through an awful digital distribution software.

Nothing compared to raping quality franchises, always online DRM, terrible outsourced games, abusing DLC, horrible PR... I can go on.

[wazoo]

As a new PC gamer, I woul like to know what origin is bad for ??

except promoting its own store against steam, which I do not care.

[Wildesy]

Oh so it actually did get decent? Had to close it before I got to that part, it was worse than origin.

Don't fret, it didn't get any better.

[AppleMIX]

Eh, most if not all of those games also are available on Steam, so that's not really a good point.

Almost any Capcom game you download on steam requires you to use GFWL. (The only ones that don't are RE4 and DMC 3 I think)

As a new PC gamer, I woul like to know what origin is bad for ?? except promoting its own store against steam, which I do not care.

Here is a good write up on the pros/cons of origin.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthre...ghlight=origin

[HP_Wuvcraft]

EA acquired 62% of DICE in 2004, soon after they made BF1942, so they weren't always a part of EA.

.... so?

EA owns them now.

That is all the fuckin' matters. He's basically saying that he hates EA but buys their games anyway.

You don't win an argument against smoking by going "I didn't always smoke".

[Red Arremer]

Nothing compared to raping quality franchises

Subjective.

always online DRM, terrible outsourced games, abusing DLC

Same as EA. Not saying Capcom isn't doing shitty things, but the scale is nowhere near as bad as with EA.

horrible PR...

That I give you, but that is just being dumb. Bad PR doesn't make for bad business practices and it definitely doesn't top the corruption surrounding EA, monopolizing certain markets (licensed football games for instance), or them buying up developers and smaller publishers one by one.

Almost any Capcom game you download on steam requires you to use GFWL. (The only ones that don't are RE4 and DMC 3 I think)

Lost Planet didn't, did it? Then again, I'm not really purchasing Capcom PC ports cause they are terrible ports, so I can't argue there, but Capcom is still nowhere near as bad as EA, and nowhere near as big of an offender.

[Aselith]

Eh, most if not all of those games also are available on Steam, so that's not really a good point.

You still have to log in to GFWL to play them.

[Ryoku]

As a new PC gamer, I woul like to know what origin is bad for ?? except promoting its own store against steam, which I do not care.

Origin, when it came out, had a huge memory footprint. It ate your RAM. EA also removed games from Steam, and made them exclusive to Origin. Origin was terribly optimized, had many bugs, and was just bad all around compared to Steam. Then again, Steam has had years to get where it's at. This fueled hatred toward EA--especially from Valve fanboys who do not want any form of competition on the PC platforming front. Origin might have gotten better since then (I don't know why it wouldn't have), but I don't use it much at all, so I can't make an informed comment on that.

[EuropeOG]

Brilliant video.

I thought the Origin part was a bit extreme; if they have "badly made overhyped games" then why does it matter? Obviously they have games people want to play... but people love Steam.

Too bad PC is open platform, no reason for everything to be on Steam.

Still amazes me how people are butthurt over this.

[HP_Wuvcraft]

raping quality franchises

This might be a thing for some people, but can we stop using this term? It makes it sound like publishers/devs are taking a pre-existing game and changing it. It's like Trekkies saying that the new Star Trek invalidates their entire series collection.

But, I mean, some people on this forum are a-okay with using the term "cancer of gaming", so maybe people will take offense to this, too. Who knows.

Still amazes me how people are butthurt over this.

People are "butthurt" because it wasn't very funny and it was insulting to peoples intelligence, not for the reason you're thinking of.

[Aselith]

As a new PC gamer, I woul like to know what origin is bad for ?? except promoting its own store against steam, which I do not care.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=475698

[AppleMIX]

Lost Planet didn't, did it? Then again, I'm not really purchasing Capcom PC ports cause they are terrible ports, so I can't argue there, but Capcom is still nowhere near as bad as EA, and nowhere near as big of an offender.

The point being is that Origin is perfectly serviceable where as GFWL is not.

[Glass Rebel]

Honestly, the whole "hate EA" bandwagon really began to roll when they came out with Origin and made games requiring Origin, and removing some from Steam. Valve fanboys are terrible, and I kind of blame them for the recent upsurge in the EA hate. They don't want competition on the PC platforming side. They really do believe Valve gets everything they do 100% right. Steam still has loads of bugs that haven't been bothered to be looked at. EA still comes out with great games. Sure, their practices might be questionable, but it only became news recently for some reason. Other companies have practices that are just as bad. EA isn't really helping the cause, either, though. When Origin was released, it was terribly optimized, thus had a huge memory footprint. I don't know if it has gotten better or not, so I won't comment on that. I'm not defending EA; I'm not a fan of them, either.

How long have you been gaming? Because "EA hate" goes way back to the times where they ran Bullfrog, Westwood and Origin into the ground. People were giving them the benefit of the doubt this gen because they thought Activision was the new evil overlord and they actually put out some new and exciting franchises like Dead Space and Mirror's Edge. It took people a while to notice that EA never stopped being shit.

Still doesn't render my point irrelevant. DICE is a subsidiary of EA now, and the fact that people try to refuse to believe that DICE is part of EA boggles my mind. EA publishes great games, too, and people don't want to believe that because it isn't cool to do so. They get blinded by the terrible stuff EA does practice, which I can't blame them for doing. It's always better to try and have unbiased views on such topics.

You might not have noticed this but you're the only one who's saying this. FYI PopCap, who are shown next to Gabe as well, is also an EA subsidiary. I'm not exactly sure what you're arguing.

.... so? EA owns them now. That is all the fuckin' matters. He's basically saying that he hates EA but buys their games anyway. You don't win an argument against smoking by going "I didn't always smoke".

That's one hell of an assumption.

[Red Arremer]

The point being is that Origin is perfectly serviceable where as GFWL is not.

My point is that this alone doesn't make Capcom worse than EA tho. :P

[AppleMIX]

My point is that this alone doesn't make Capcom worse than EA tho. :P

Yes it does, they choose a significantly inferior service for their PC games. Thus making them worse.

[Glass Rebel]

Lost Planet didn't, did it? Then again, I'm not really purchasing Capcom PC ports cause they are terrible ports, so I can't argue there, but Capcom is still nowhere near as bad as EA, and nowhere near as big of an offender.

What ports are you talking about?

[Ushojax]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-LE0ycgkBQ

It was going so well until Halo 2 appeared as one of the 'classic' games.

[HP_Wuvcraft]

That's one hell of an assumption.

Except it's not, because he clearly is perfectly fine with DICE. It's a fairly safe assumption to make. Should we also assume that he doesn't buy any games from Valve as well? He clearly views those as the Good Guys.

Look. If you bash something without doing any research on your subject at all, you are going to look like a damn fool to anyone except those that go "well, X sucks anyway, so it doesn't matter how ignorant of the situation he is".

[Red Arremer]

Yes it does, they choose a significantly inferior service for their PC games. Thus making them worse.

That's like... I dunno... You saying that Capcom, for shoplifting a bad-tasting chocolate bar, is worse an offender than EA that's standing outside of the shop and mugging people.

What ports are you talking about?

Lost Planet's PC version was insanely more inferior to the 360 version.

[CecilRousso]

Honestly, the whole "hate EA" bandwagon really began to roll when they came out with Origin and made games requiring Origin, and removing some from Steam. Valve fanboys are terrible, and I kind of blame them for the recent upsurge in the EA hate. They don't want competition on the PC platforming side. They really do believe Valve gets everything they do 100% right. Steam still has loads of bugs that haven't been bothered to be looked at. EA still comes out with great games. Sure, their practices might be questionable, but it only became news recently for some reason. Other companies have practices that are just as bad. EA isn't really helping the cause, either, though. When Origin was released, it was terribly optimized, thus had a huge memory footprint. I don't know if it has gotten better or not, so I won't comment on that. I'm not defending EA; I'm not a fan of them, either.

Oh, come on. EA are doing quite a lot of things to generate the hate themselves, and since Origin is moving beyond their own games to a point where they want to be involved in as many of your game purchases on PC as possible, it´s going to continue to grow.

Competition is a good thing (everyone likes GOG), but I sure don´t want EA to have anything to do with my other purchases that aren´t EA games.

[LCGeek]

i wouldn't consider the need for speed franchise ruined. i mean, we just got hot pursuit less than 2 years ago.

After playing the hell out of it I realized that game blows. I could take main core but after going for record times I realized the entire system was broke. The cutscenes and general natural of the bullshit roadblock system they put in place made me not care about it. First few months I thought criterion had done something to save the game but after realizing it's a mix of nfs and burnout with horrible elements turned on it.

[Ryoku]

How long have you been gaming? Because "EA hate" goes way back to the times where they ran Bullfrog, Westwood and Origin into the ground. People were giving them the benefit of the doubt this gen because they thought Activision was the new evil overlord and they actually put out some new and exciting franchises like Dead Space and Mirror's Edge. It took people a while to notice that EA never stopped being shit.

The EA hate has begun to become extremely noticeable in the past year or so. Of course I know it has been there for a while, but it wasn't as noticeable as it is nowadays. People being more vocal about it, and the introduction of Origin made it worse. There's nothing wrong expressing what you think, as long as it has a basis in reality and truth. Generally, the only thing I'm complaining about is that some people let it get to the best of them. You saw the scores for Mario, Halo 2, and Sonic in the video, right? It may be true to a point, but they're exaggerating the hell out of it.

You might not have noticed this but you're the only one who's saying this. FYI PopCap, who are shown next to Gabe as well, is also an EA subsidiary. I'm not exactly sure what you're arguing.

They're trying to differentiate DICE and PopCap from EA as much as Valve. I noticed DICE moreso than I did PopCap. They're just a more noticeable company to me (sorry).

[AppleMIX]

That's like... I dunno... You saying that Capcom, for shoplifting a bad-tasting chocolate bar, is worse an offender than EA that's standing outside of the shop and mugging people.

If anyone is mugging people it's capcom.

[Squidofman]

You can replace "EA" with "any other major publisher" and it fits.

So...yeah. Maybe this guy just needs a good lie down.

[beje]

How so? It's nowhere near as big as EA is, and doesn't force you to play through an awful digital distribution software.

Neither attempts to delete forever your $5 game from your smartphone because they decided you have no rights to play it anymore... until they got caught by GAF, that's it.

[Flying Wonkey]

I kinda want to play OVERHYPED SELLOUT LENS FLARE DUBSTEP WAR ZOMBIES 4 now. >.>

[Endo Punk]

This might be a thing for some people, but can we stop using this term?

It is what it is.

[HP_Wuvcraft]

It is what it is.

... and with that, in a Yakko Warner voice: "Goodnight, everybody!".

[Ryoku]

Oh, come on. EA are doing quite a lot of things to generate the hate themselves, and since Origin is moving beyond their own games to a point where they want to be involved in as many of your game purchases on PC as possible, it´s going to continue to grow. Competition is a good thing (everyone likes GOG), but I sure don´t want EA to have anything to do with my other purchases that aren´t EA games.

I tried to point that out in my comment, but it seems as though it just ended up looking as if I was defending the company completely :s

Since I don't really use Origin since its release (I only used it to play Battlefield, and I don't really bother playing that anymore) I felt that I wasn't qualified for commenting on how it has evolved since I quit using it.

[Joni]

There are companies that cause a worldwide collapse of the economy, there are companies that ruin the environment, there are companies that abuse your health for their profit. But yes, let's hate the video game company. If they make games I want, I buy them. If they don't, I don't. Simple as that.

[GrandHarrier]

There are companies that cause a worldwide collapse of the economy, there are companies that ruin the environment, there are companies that abuse your health for their profit. But yes, let's hate the video game company. If they make games I want, I buy them. If they don't, I don't. Simple as that.

Apples, meet Oranges.

[CecilRousso]

There are companies that cause a worldwide collapse of the economy, there are companies that ruin the environment, there are companies that abuse your health for their profit. But yes, let's hate the video game company. If they make games I want, I buy them. If they don't, I don't. Simple as that.

That there are much much worse companies than EA doesn´t mean you can´t think a bit about what you actually support through your game purchases.

[panda21]

it really annoys me when people start talking about what you 'support' with your purchases, as if this is some kind of moral argument akin to nestle killing babies or something.

EA makes some bad games and some good ones, buy the ones you like. its not like they set out to make bad games on purpose.

i thought syndicate sucked but thats not going to stop me from buying whatever good game EA makes next.

[Glass Rebel]

Except it's not, because he clearly is perfectly fine with DICE. It's a fairly safe assumption to make. Should we also assume that he doesn't buy any games from Valve as well? He clearly views those as the Good Guys.

Eh, sorry, selective reading on my part. He's still not saying that they're not part of EA, they are just separate entities within EA. Nothing wrong with bemoaning the fact that some great studios are "caught up" with an awful publisher. People continued to like Bizarre even when they were bought up by Activision.

Lost Planet's PC version was insanely more inferior to the 360 version.

In what way? Have we played 2 completely different versions? I have yet to play a bad port of an MT Framework game.

The EA hate has begun to become extremely noticeable in the past year or so. Of course I know it has been there for a while, but it wasn't as noticeable as it is nowadays. People being more vocal about it, and the introduction of Origin made it worse. There's nothing wrong expressing what you think, as long as it has a basis in reality and truth. Generally, the only thing I'm complaining about is that some people let it get to the best of them. You saw the scores for Mario, Halo 2, and Sonic in the video, right? It may be true to a point, but they're exaggerating the hell out of it.

I agree about the scores part but you must have missed a lot of things in the years before Origin when it comes to EA. Origin might have been the last straw that broke the camels back but like the creator of this video says, they had it coming.

They're trying to differentiate DICE and PopCap from EA as much as Valve. I noticed DICE moreso than I did PopCap. They're just a more noticeable company to me (sorry).

And he's still not saying they aren't part of EA. Don't get me wrong, it's a shit video but this is a rather minor thing to nitpick IMO.

it really annoys me when people start talking about what you 'support' with your purchases, as if this is some kind of moral argument akin to nestle killing babies or something. EA makes some bad games and some good ones, buy the ones you like. its not like they set out to make bad games on purpose. i thought syndicate sucked but thats not going to stop me from buying whatever good game EA makes next.

If you buy a game with awful DRM, you're supporting awful DRM. If you buy a game with awful DLC, you're supporting awful DLC. If you buy a game with Online Pass, you're supporting Online Passes. It's simple as that.

You might be okay with that but don't be surprised when people call you out on it.

[Ryoku]

There are companies that cause a worldwide collapse of the economy, there are companies that ruin the environment, there are companies that abuse your health for their profit. But yes, let's hate the video game company. If they make games I want, I buy them. If they don't, I don't. Simple as that.

That isn't a fair comparison because it's grouping every company into one gigantic generalization. It lacks context. You want to compare the practices of EA to that of pharmaceutical companies? Go ahead, but without context, the comparison is meaningless.

[BHK3]

I hope it's a trilogy with activison and capcom involved.

[panda21]

If you buy a game with awful DRM, you're supporting awful DRM. If you buy a game with awful DLC, you're supporting awful DLC. If you buy a game with Online Pass, you're supporting Online Passes. It's simple as that. You might be okay with that but don't be surprised when people call you out on it.

EA arent the worst offenders by a long way on that though. and if you buy a game with awful DRM diablo III then you're screwing yourself as much as anyone else.

[Collider]

I want to see one about Activision.

[Mechazawa]

-This is for bribing media review organizations to increase the rep of your games.

Fffffffffaaaaaaaarrrrttttttt.

[SmokyDave]

It seems that people have very short memories when it comes to anti-consumer practices. That's gotta be good for EA.

I wish this video wasn't crap. It would've been nice to see someone properly compile all the reasons that EA can fuck right off.

[AniHawk]

i always thought those useless political cartoon descriptions should be applied to more things.

[MuseManMike]

It seems that people have very short memories when it comes to anti-consumer practices. That's gotta be good for EA. I wish this video wasn't crap. It would've been nice to see someone properly compile all the reasons that EA can fuck right off.

There was a decent one in the Worst Company thread.

[Ryoku]

Eh, sorry, selective reading on my part. He's still not saying that they're not part of EA, they are just separate entities within EA. Nothing wrong with bemoaning the fact that some great studios are "caught up" with an awful publisher. People continued to like Bizarre even when they were bought up by

He deliberately grouped DICE with Valve, placing them in the same position, AGAINST EA. That, or he's implying that Valve is also a part of EA. Which is more plausible?

In what way? Have we played 2 completely different versions? I have yet to play a bad port of an MT Framework game.

I tried Lost Planet 2 for PC. It was terribly unoptimized crap as far as I'm concerned. Didn't play more than 20% of the game. Water physics was also crap, but that's on the game--not the port itself.

I agree about the scores part but you must have missed a lot of things in the years before Origin when it comes to EA. Origin might have been the last straw that broke the camels back but like the creator of this video says, they had it coming.

Fair enough.

And he's still not saying they aren't part of EA. Don't get me wrong, it's a shit video but this is a rather minor thing to nitpick IMO.

I actually believe that this was a huge flaw in the video. If he wanted, he could have placed DICE along with BioWare and Crytek inside the ship with the bad development conditions. Instead, he placed DICE with Valve, in a pseudo-opposition to EA. It is either a simple mistake on his part, or his bias is showing.

[Cataferal]

Not very funny - the captions aren't necessary at all.