[teh_pwn]

Definitely a bug, that shouldn't happen. ^^Skype looks good.

Turns out it isn't a bug. Microsoft considers Program Files as owned by the SYSTEM account, which is even higher than Admin. What makes it worse is that if you modify policies on your system to fix it, metro apps won't launch because it will consider UAC completely disabled.

This is really annoying if you're a developer and you need to modify files in program files or C:\, etc. But it's also very annoying that built in metro apps won't work with the fix. So I'm torn. For now I'm putting up with the ridiculous popups about file access, but it's a dumb design decision.

MS employees on here, please fix this. I'm not a mouth breathing consumer. I edit files on the OS. If I'm doing it wrong, please point me to some documentation. I mean you're obviously impacted by this even more as you develop the OS, so PM me the super secret registry hack or policy please. :)

Is there a DOS equivalent of "sudo chown -R C:\"?

[rozay]

Turns out it isn't a bug. What makes it worse is that if you modify policies on your system to fix it, metro apps won't launch because it will consider UAC completely disabled. This is really annoying if you're a developer and you need to modify files in program files or C:\, etc. But it's also very annoying that built in metro apps won't work with the fix. So I'm torn. For now I'm putting up with the ridiculous popups about file access, but it's a dumb design decision. MS employees on here, please fix this. I'm not a mouth breathing consumer. I edit files on the OS. If I'm doing it wrong, please point me to some documentation. I mean you're obviously impacted by this even more as you develop the OS, so PM me the super secret registry hack or policy please. :)

I was going to try disabling them, but you really can't run the built in metro apps if you do this?

[teh_pwn]

I was going to try disabling them, but you really can't run the built in metro apps if you do this?

Yes. I cannot find the MSDN fix for it so I cannot point to the local security policy that fixes this, and I'm on Windows 7 so I cannot give you specifics right now.

[Steelyuhas]

Turns out it isn't a bug. Microsoft considers Program Files as owned by the SYSTEM account, which is even higher than Admin. What makes it worse is that if you modify policies on your system to fix it, metro apps won't launch because it will consider UAC completely disabled. This is really annoying if you're a developer and you need to modify files in program files or C:\, etc. But it's also very annoying that built in metro apps won't work with the fix. So I'm torn. For now I'm putting up with the ridiculous popups about file access, but it's a dumb design decision. MS employees on here, please fix this. I'm not a mouth breathing consumer. I edit files on the OS. If I'm doing it wrong, please point me to some documentation. I mean you're obviously impacted by this even more as you develop the OS, so PM me the super secret registry hack or policy please. :) Is there a DOS equivalent of "sudo chown -R C:\"?

Hmm, that is really weird. Definitely something that should be fixed.

[Jzero]

So when people say win 8 has good multi monitor support, what does that mean? Can I finally get the taskbar appearing on the non primary monitors without a 3rd party software?

Yup i'm using multiple monitors and the taskbar appears in all of them.

The time/date/sound/internet/toolbar icons only appear in my main screen though.

[LukasTaves]

Also, has anyone gotten bogus UAC prompts about file privileges needing admin rights when both you're admin and you've disabled UAC? What the hell is this? A bug, a regression to Vista? I'd rather not want to resort to completely disabling all UAC at registry level, but if that's how it's going to be I will.

The only time i got this was trying to manually deleting unneeded files from my Windows.old installation... But they have a utility to remove that, so didn't bothered much...

[RukusProvider]

No option to download the "Pro" version off Technet? Any reason, at home, I'd want the Pro version or should I just run with the standard edition?

This will be a one time thing. I hope all my games work fine. With Steam, do I have to worry about backing up any game saves (Portal 2 and Skyrim)?

[Teknopathetic]

"No option to download the "Pro" version off Technet? Any reason, at home, I'd want the Pro version or should I just run with the standard edition?"

The Technet versions are Pro and Enterprise, so far as I can tell (the key page actually refers to them as Pro). The untitled one (Just "Windows 8") is apparently Professional.

[RukusProvider]

"No option to download the "Pro" version off Technet? Any reason, at home, I'd want the Pro version or should I just run with the standard edition?" The Technet versions are Pro and Enterprise, so far as I can tell (the key page actually refers to them as Pro). The untitled one (Just "Windows 8") is apparently Professional.

Ah! Thanks. I downloaded the untitled one and installed it last night.

[thundr51]

Anyone having problems after installing over windows 7? HDD light is always on and browsing the web on the desktop is slow to unresponsive. Before anyone asks Yes, I have a msdn sub so that's where I got my key.

Specs:
I5 2500k
1tb HDD OVER 800 GB Left
HD 5870
16 GB ram

I can't even get into safe mode!! Getting a page fault error. Help?
Oh btw I can't shutdown either...it just keeps restarting.

[Ghost]

Im getting a lot of hard freezes on my iMac, kind of a shame because other than that I', really enjoying Windows 8

[Jzero]

The new sounds in the RTM remind me of the Dreamcast a bit.

Also either the difficulty in solitaire skyrocketed or i've been having the worst luck ever, since i've lost 31 out of the 31 games i've played. Or i just suck.

[brotkasten]

Thurrot writes about the very early Skype app:
http://www.winsupersite.com/article/...ndows-8-144047

And HP isn't done with tablets yet, forms a new mobile unit and brings in the former MeeGo guy from Nokia:

Running the new Mobility unit will be Alberto Torres, who departed Nokia after running its MeeGo operations — operations that were doomed once it became clear that CEO Stephen Elop would be taking the company down the Windows Phone path. He'll be reporting directly to Bradley and starting in early September. Interestingly, HP's "soon-to-be launched commercial tablet" will remain in the charge of James Mouton, who runs the PC group. How this all relates to Gram is unclear: the focus of this Mobility GBU certainly seems to be wider than webOS alone, though it stands to reason that Gram's work may fall under Mobility's sphere of interest and influence.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/17/32...alberto-torres

So he left Nokia, because they focused on Windows Phone and now he joined HP to work on Windows tablets. That went well. Also, third time's a charm, HP.

[MCD]

http://www.neowin.net/news/review-microsoft-wedge-mouse

Review for the odd looking wedge mouse. I am more interested in the sculpt series as I don't use laptops or tablets.

[BeeDog]

Sorry if this has been asked, but when can DreamSpark/MSDNAA students expect to get Windows 8? Got my SSD the other day (yay!) but wanna hold off plugging it in until I can get Windows 8 on it.

[brotkasten]

Sorry if this has been asked, but when can DreamSpark/MSDNAA students expect to get Windows 8? Got my SSD the other day (yay!) but wanna hold off plugging it in until I can get Windows 8 on it.

August 25th.

[jagowar]

Thurrot writes about the very early Skype app: http://www.winsupersite.com/article/...ndows-8-144047

Still kinda surprised they haven't integrated the ms account into skype and autologin through your account in win8 like their other properties (and merge facebook/twitter contact info like the people hub.... all of those empty profile pictures just look bad)

[BeeDog]

August 25th.

Thanks!

[Zombie James]

Sounds like Microsoft is going to allow people to install OEM versions:

You have to agree to the EULA before you use Microsoft's Windows 8 OS. However, a new article at ZDNet.com claims that Microsoft has made some changes in its software agreements for Windows 8 that make them easier to read compared to EULAs that have been provided in the past for previous versions of Windows. More importantly for regular consumers, Microsoft is allowing them to purchase and install the version of Windows 8 that's normally reserved for OEMs. This under a new Windows 8 license called Personal Use License for System Builder.

http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-8...l-oem-versions

[f0lken]

So I use iTunes and Zune for my media, but today I tried to use the "Metro" Music and Video apps but they doesn't detect any media in my library, anyone else has this problem??

[Jzero]

So I use iTunes and Zune for my media, but today I tried to use the "Metro" Music and Video apps but they doesn't detect any media in my library, anyone else has this problem??

Nope, it detects mine.

[PG2G]

So I use iTunes and Zune for my media, but today I tried to use the "Metro" Music and Video apps but they doesn't detect any media in my library, anyone else has this problem??

I haven't used the app in a while (because it sucks), but I remember it having issues picking up my music that was on an external drive. Haven't tried the RTM yet though

[Blizzard]

Sounds like Microsoft is going to allow people to install OEM versions: http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-8...l-oem-versions

That's a welcome change, though didn't everyone just do that anyway if they were building their own computer and ordering from Newegg or whatnot?

[brotkasten]

That's a welcome change, though didn't everyone just do that anyway if they were building their own computer and ordering from Newegg or whatnot?

Yes. Nothing has really changed.

[Troll]

Are there any iPad vs Windows 8 RTM videos?

[Jzero]

Are there any iPad vs Surface RT videos?

Fixed

[eastmen]

Fixed

lol how is that fixed ?


The best part is when they say the IPAD 3 has no operating system ?

[Jzero]

lol how is that fixed ? The best part is when they say the IPAD 3 has no operating system ?

I wrote "fixed" because he was comparing a tablet to an operating system. And i just posted the first video on youtube. And yea i was laughing at that. What do they think iOS is? And the pricing is also a guess.

[eastmen]

I wrote "fixed" because he was comparing a tablet to an operating system. And i just posted the first video on youtube. And yea i was laughing at that. What do they think iOS is? And the pricing is also a guess.

I think he just wants to see what the final verison of windows 8 is like in comparison to the ipad.


I like when they say the ipad 3 doesn't have a keyboard.

[Jzero]

I think he just wants to see what the final verison of windows 8 is like in comparison to the ipad. I like when they say the ipad 3 doesn't have a keyboard.

Yea the maker of the video was probably a fanboy.

[dLMN8R]

It's hard to compare them now just because 99% of what makes the iPad great are the apps to go along with it.

While developers have (hopefully) been working on apps and games for a long time, the vast majority haven't been able to do anything with them officially, or submit them to the store. Now that the MSDN release came out last week, I think the store is open or will be open for submissions soon. Right now, all the apps in the RTM store are from a small set of Microsoft employees and external developers.


Most importantly, if you want to compare it to the iPad, you need hardware. There isn't any Windows 8 or Windows RT hardware in peoples' hands yet, which makes it hard to do that comparison.

[eastmen]

It's hard to compare them now just because 99% of what makes the iPad great are the apps to go along with it. While developers have (hopefully) been working on apps and games for a long time, the vast majority haven't been able to do anything with them officially, or submit them to the store. Now that the MSDN release came out last week, I think the store is open or will be open for submissions soon. Right now, all the apps in the RTM store are from a small set of Microsoft employees and external developers. Most importantly, if you want to compare it to the iPad, you need hardware. There isn't any Windows 8 or Windows RT hardware in peoples' hands yet, which makes it hard to do that comparison.

This isn't the case of windows phone , windows 8 is going to have a huge install base quite quickly and developers know this. So we will see the good IOS apps and andriod apps hit quickly.


Also the non RT verisons will have acess to decades of windows programs.

[mj1108]

Well, the Windows 8 Pro and Windows 8 Enterprise are up on Microsoft's Volume Licensing Site for work (yay for working in education!). Thinking of downloading it for work and giving it a shot to see if it's improved at all over the preview....

[Jzero]

Well, the Windows 8 Pro and Windows 8 Enterprise are up on Microsoft's Volume Licensing Site for work (yay for working in education!). Thinking of downloading it for work and giving it a shot to see if it's improved at all over the preview....

It definitely has, since it's not as buggy.

[dLMN8R]

So guys, what do you think? Full-on in-place upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 8? Shall I take the plunge? I just clean installed a few months ago and definitely don't want to deal with that again.

[eastmen]

So guys, what do you think? Full-on in-place upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 8? Shall I take the plunge? I just clean installed a few months ago and definitely don't want to deal with that again.

I allways due a full reinstall . Don't want any baggage coming along with ya

[yn-neko hates a cat]

So guys, what do you think? Full-on in-place upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 8? Shall I take the plunge? I just clean installed a few months ago and definitely don't want to deal with that again.

I had a spare 64 GB SSD laying around... surely you have a spare HDD... or is this a laptop?

I don't think I've ever upgraded to an OS by overwriting my old one :/ I believe in clean install considering the drama an OS collects over the years,

[dLMN8R]

meh, everything's backed up. I'm gonna do it. Don't feel like dual-booting either.

[Magic Ovaries]

Are there any iPad vs Windows 8 RTM videos?

From the Verge, but the consumer preview not RTM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHcxMKDKCiU

[LukasTaves]

From the Verge, but the consumer preview not RTM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHcxMKDKCiU

What's the size of that W8 tablet screen? It seems gigantic next to the iPad.

[Magic Ovaries]

What's the size of that W8 tablet screen? It seems gigantic next to the iPad.

Looks like the Samsung Slate 7, if so then its 11.6"

[brotkasten]

This is for you, markot.

Windows 8 Tip: Overcoming Library Limitations ... Adding removable storage to a library Consider a typical Windows 8 tablet, like the Samsung Series 7 Slate. This machine has a relatively paltry 64 GB SSD barely large enough to hold Windows 8, Office 2013, and my music collection. But what if I want to bring some movies along to watch on a plane or whatever? The device does have a micro-SD slot, so I purchased a 32 GB micro-SD card, loaded it up with movies and took it on the road. Playing movies off the card is simple enough: Just open File Explorer, find the movie you want, and play it. But if you try to add that location to the Videos library, you’re out of luck. Windows 8 will not let you add non-hard drive-based removable storage to a library. (Though you can add a USB hard drive to a library, you’ll see this same error with other USB-based storage devices, like memory sticks.) The workaround for this one is simple. Create a shortcut on your desktop that points to the removable device. Give it an obvious name (like “SD” in my case) and then move it to the root of C: (as in C:\SD) or somewhere else convenient. Then, add that location (the shortcut) to the library. Voila! It works. On the Samsung tablet, this is in fact the only location I use for the Videos library ...

http://www.winsupersite.com/article/...tations-144057

[Mr_Zombie]

It's weird that Microsoft overlooked this. SD cards for tablet is a must, so not being able to add one to the library (without workarounds, because your average user doesn't want to be bothered with these) is a big inconvenience.

BTW. How much space does iOS take? I've just noticed that Windows 8's size on PC is about 13GB. I presume the tablet version is no different, since the desktop (although limited) is still there. That's quite a lot for a machine that only has 64GB of in-built memory.

[buhdeh]

Can you add network drives/folders to libraries?

[Delusibeta]

An article demonstrating why Windows 8 will be a massive failure for Microsoft. Expect this sort of thing to become commonplace in the next six months or so.

[StudioTan]

An article demonstrating why Windows 8 will be a massive failure for Microsoft. Expect this sort of thing to become commonplace in the next six months or so.

So many wrong facts in that article.

The Metro interface is Windows 8. The desktop that you’re used to is also there, but it’s built as a separate app. Think of it this way: Metro is the shell. The desktop is an app within that shell. If you want to start Steam, you’ll want to launch the Desktop app, and then launch Steam. This is insanity. This is Windows 8.

I run Steam from the tile, I don't have to hit the Desktop tile first.

Metro apps don’t have any window controls. If you want to swap between apps, you have to make a convoluted mouse gesture - move the mouse to the top left of the screen, and then down to select the window. You can’t minimise the app, and there’s no on-screen preview of what’s running to help you quickly switch between programs.

Alt-tab works just as it always has.

It’s harder than ever to turn the sodding thing off It took me nearly half an hour to work out how to turn off my PC.

And after he figured out how to use it (I guess he's never heard of Google and would rather spend half and hour stumbling around the interface) how hard is it to shut down? This complaint is only valid once.

I could go on but the article is terrible, most of it is complaining about the quality of the preview apps and not the OS.

[maeh2k]

An article demonstrating why Windows 8 will be a massive failure for Microsoft. Expect this sort of thing to become commonplace in the next six months or so.

That's already commonplace now. Just read anything about Windows 8 on the internet.

[ShOcKwAvE]

Just FYI, I was really confused why I couldn't find W8 Pro in my MSDN downloads section. Then I found when you click the Product Keys button for W8, it presents you with options for both Regular and Pro. Simple.

[Exuro]

I run Steam from the tile, I don't have to hit the Desktop tile first.

Speaking of Steam, will we need to go through Metro with kbm if we plan on making a htpc with the Big Picture Mode or will we be able to have Steam start up at launch and only need the controller?

[Mr_Zombie]

Wow, so according to him desktop is just an "app" within Metro? :lol
So wrong and so stupid.