[purple cobra]

Dark Avengers best Avengers

Who's in this pic exactly, if you don't mind me asking? I know it's Norman as Iron Patriot. Is that Eddie Brock as Venom in there? He seems to have the same physique of Spider Man instead of his usual bigger size.

Let's see, Dacon filling in for Wolverine? Looks like Hulk is there too. I got nothing else...

[Dram]

New Dark Avengers

http://marvel.wikia.com/Dark_Avengers_%28Earth-616%29

When Norman Osborn was broken out of prison and took control of a new H.A.M.M.E.R., with HYDRA, A.I.M.and the Hand following him, he assembled a new team of Avengers formed by Ai Apaec as Spider-Man, Trickshot as Hawkeye, Toxic Doxie as Scarlet Witch, Superia as Ms. Marvel, Gorgon as Wolverine and Skaar.

[Slayven]

Who's in this pic exactly, if you don't mind me asking? I know it's Norman as Iron Patriot. Is that Eddie Brock as Venom in there? He seems to have the same physique of Spider Man instead of his usual bigger size. Let's see, Dacon filling in for Wolverine? Looks like Hulk is there too. I got nothing else...

Wolverine= Gorgon, Mutant Martial Artist

Scarlet Witch= Judith something crazy geneticist that gave herself powers.

Hulk= Skaar son of the Hulk

Spiderman= Ai Apec minor South American spidergod

Ms Marvel= Supremia old Cap sparring partner.

Hawkeye= Trickshot the guy that trained Hawkeye

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

Yeah well sociopaths can look silly.

But they can still still look cool in comic or movie form. That artist that drew them is lazy.

[Good Job Bob]

But they can still still look cool in comic or movie form. That artist that drew them is lazy.

The Ms. Marvel rip off chick is particularly bad.



wtf

[purple cobra]

New Dark Avengers http://marvel.wikia.com/Dark_Avengers_%28Earth-616%29

Wolverine= Gorgon, Mutant Martial Artist Scarlet Witch= Judith something crazy geneticist that gave herself powers. Hulk= Skaar son of the Hulk Spiderman= Ai Apec minor South American spidergod Ms Marvel= Supremia old Cap sparring partner. Hawkeye= Trickshot the guy that trained Hawkeye

Awesome, thanks guys. :)

[Black_Stride]

Iron Patriot is fucking pointless without Norman Osborne. Please don't tell me they're going to cram so much stuff in this movie that it becomes a jumbled mess like every third part in a film franchise.

Is there anything that stops Osborn from being in the movie??

[Good Job Bob]

Is there anything that stops Osborn from being in the movie??

Sony.

[Dram]

Sony has the movie rights to Spider-Man and all characters related to him. So Osborn belongs to them.

[Pai Pai Master]

Is there anything that stops Osborn from being in the movie??

Yes, he's considered a Spider-Man character by film rights and that is covered by Sony/Colombia.

[Grassclipper]

Wolverine= Gorgon, Mutant Martial Artist Scarlet Witch= Judith something crazy geneticist that gave herself powers. Hulk= Skaar son of the Hulk Spiderman= Ai Apec minor South American spidergod Ms Marvel= Supremia old Cap sparring partner. Hawkeye= Trickshot the guy that trained Hawkeye

Are Judith and Ai Apec the pals he got during the Osborn-mini?

EDIT: After some wiki-ing, it seems that Trickshot is Hawkeye's dead and resurrected brother, Barney Barton. Who was also trained by the original Trick Shot.

[Nils]

Are Judith and Ai Apec the pals he got during the Osborn-mini?

Yes.

[Black_Stride]

Sony.

Sony has the movie rights to Spider-Man and all characters related to him. So Osborn belongs to them.

Yes, he's considered a Spider-Man character by film rights and that is covered by Sony/Colombia.

Ahh OK....thats kinda unfair isnt it....so every character linked to Spiderman belongs to Sony?
Even character who appear in other comics just as often?
That sucks...isnt there some sort of lebensraum to introduce Norman Osborn simply as a business mogul or something....never actually mention he knows Spider-man?

I guess they could say the iron patriot is War Machines armor re-purposed by the US military or something, im sure the writers have a plan.....im keeping my darkest thoughts to myself, cuz it seems like theres a million ways to fuck this up.

[.GqueB.]

One that my character is wearing? I know WHY they don't I'm saying it must be difficult to build a performance when nothing around you is real and the clothes you're wearing aren't even the clothes your character is wearing.

Your tune may change once you're in those suits. They're heavy and very distracting. Ask Christian Bale.

[Not a Jellyfish]

It's even funnier when you imagine them stomping around like they were wearing a huge armor. Makes me wonder what decides why they're sometimes going for all CGI and other times just for CGI pants.

Shouldn't be much wondering, it all has to do with the actors movements in particular shots.

[Banana Kid]

It's even funnier when you imagine them stomping around like they were wearing a huge armor.

I wanna see RDJ and Don Cheadle jumping around in mocap suits pretending to shoot at invisible robots.

I wanna see that so badly.

[Good Job Bob]

I wanna see RDJ and Don Cheadle jumping around in mocap suits pretending to shoot at invisible robots. I wanna see that so badly.

Definitely has to be better than Iron Man 2.

[Perspicacity]

Ahh OK....thats kinda unfair isnt it....so every character linked to Spiderman belongs to Sony? Even character who appear in other comics just as often? That sucks...isnt there some sort of lebensraum to introduce Norman Osborn simply as a business mogul or something....never actually mention he knows Spider-man?

Norman Osborn isn't worthwhile unless you know he can go completely batshit insane and start pumpkin bombing people at any moment.

[Nils]

Ahh OK....thats kinda unfair isnt it....so every character linked to Spiderman belongs to Sony? Even character who appear in other comics just as often? That sucks...isnt there some sort of lebensraum to introduce Norman Osborn simply as a business mogul or something....never actually mention he knows Spider-man? I guess they could say the iron patriot is War Machines armor re-purposed by the US military or something, im sure the writers have a plan.....im keeping my darkest thoughts to myself, cuz it seems like theres a million ways to fuck this up.

I think, but it must be a lot more complicated than that is unless the character is intrinsically tied to something like Spider-Man they need to show that character in a movie to own it.

Found the following example to illustrate this:

As an interesting tidbit (which will be elaborated upon shortly) during an alternate ending of the first Blade, a shadowy figure on a distant rooftop wrapped in rags has said to be the Marvel’s resident vampire Morbius. So Morbius, who Spider-Man director Sam Raimi has said to be interested in interpreting, may have some problems if the character isn’t cleared with New Line Cinema.

Found it over here: http://screenrant.com/marvel-comics-...ers-carl-6766/

Gives a rundown of what studio owns which character.

[Triphos]

If the Iron Patriot is just a US Government suit gone bad under the influence of the Mandarin, fine, a bit convoluted but whatever.

If it's Norman Osborn? I tap out. Bringing in too much stuff from the comics makes movies bad.

[Cartman86]

I hope these companies figure something out with sharing character rights. I mean you can look at something like Spielberg's Robopocalypse which is a co-production between Disney, Dreamworks and Fox. Though figuring out the canon aspect of this can be tricky, so I could see none of these studios wanting to bother with that.

[VibratingDonkey]

Shane Black? Ok now I'm interested. Guy needs to make more movies. It's eight years between this and Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. Unacceptable.

[Hex]

Norman Osborn isn't worthwhile unless you know he can go completely batshit insane and start pumpkin bombing people at any moment.

Exactly, plus without that history as Green Goblin and with Spiderman he really is nobody and it loses impact

[Good Job Bob]

Shane Black? Ok now I'm interested. Guy needs to make more movies. It's eight years between this and Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. Unacceptable.

I really want to see his Death Note movie.

[ZeroGravity]

I'm okay with this. And Iron Man 2 was great.

[massoluk]

If the Iron Patriot is just a US Government suit gone bad under the influence of the Mandarin, fine, a bit convoluted but whatever. If it's Norman Osborn? I tap out. Bringing in too much stuff from the comics makes movies bad.

Hehe, basically if you discounted the Avengers. Iron Man is indeed a threat, that villainous Senator in Iron Man 2 was right. First Iron Man, villain's suit come from Tony Stark original. Second Iron Man, villain's suit developed after Tony Stark original and friendly advice. Now, Third Iron Man, villain's suit was Tony Stark's.

[CorvoSol]

Osborn wants to get away from the return of his Green Goblin persona, decides to form his own Avengers, steals stuff from Tony Stark and creates his own armor mixing the extremis design with cap's costume, tries to become a fucked up leader and makes shitty evil plans to fool America into supporting him.

And America believes him because in Marvel Comics the public is a thankless lot of jerkasses who are willing to turn on heroes at the drop of a hat.

[KevinCow]

And America believes him because in Marvel Comics the public is a thankless lot of jerkasses who are willing to turn on heroes at the drop of a hat.

The American public is able to forget the past misdeeds of a rich guy and put their trust in him even though his goals are clearly selfish? I dunno, sounds like the real world to me.

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Ben Kingsley won't be called the Mandarin, right? Also, is that Ten Rings organization still around?

[smokeymicpot]

Ben Kingsley won't be called the Mandarin, right? Also, is that Ten Rings organization still around?

I think Ten Rings was shown in Iron Man 2 but I definitely know it was in the first.

[shira]

Ben Kingsley won't be called the Mandarin, right? Also, is that Ten Rings organization still around?

After Ben is defeated Thanos should pick up a ring and crush it

[Jack Scofield]

Cool. Another superhero movie where the protagonist fights an evil version of himself. Way to be creative.

[Good Job Bob]

Cool. Another superhero movie where the protagonist fights an evil version of himself. Way to be creative.

That's not the plot.

[shira]

Cool. Another superhero movie where the protagonist fights an evil version of himself. Way to be creative.

Bizzaro? I can't think of another example.

[The Technomancer]

Iron Man is one of those movies I can watch repeatedly and still enjoy. With Iron Man 2, once was enough. It wasn't horrible, just not nearly as enjoyable as the first.

Hm, I don't feel that way at all. Iron Man 2's low action focus and emphasis on character building means that I really enjoy re-watching it to see new nuances in various scenes.

[Good Job Bob]

Hm, I don't feel that way at all. Iron Man 2's low action focus and emphasis on character building means that I really enjoy re-watching it to see new nuances in various scenes.

Character building? Nuance? In Iron Man 2? Clearly you've watched a different version from everybody else.. Are you Jon Favreau?

[The Technomancer]

Character building? Nuance? In Iron Man 2? Clearly you've watched a different version from everybody else.. Are you Jon Favreau?

Are you kidding? There are like two and a half action scenes in the entire movie. Its all about Tony coping with things and the people around him trying to cope with him. It actually has narrative arcs and shit, and the final action scene works much better then the final fight of IM1 because they spent the entire movie building up towards it, so it felt like a satisfying payoff.

[Good Job Bob]

Are you kidding? There are like two and a half action scenes in the entire movie. Its all about Tony coping with things and the people around him trying to cope with him. It actually has narrative arcs and shit, and the final action scene works much better then the final fight of IM1 because they spent the entire movie building up towards it, so it felt like a satisfying payoff.

This is simply not true.

Their is no character arc in IM2 at all, their is a bunch of shit happening and there's a bunch of, as Shane Black put it, "half choices". It's a completely unfocused lazy movie with a terribly cliche villain.

[Crunched]

This is simply not true. Their is no character arc in IM2 at all, their is a bunch of shit happening and there's a bunch of, as Shane Black put it, "half choices". It's a completely unfocused lazy movie with a terribly cliche villain.

I agree. Most of it has a real sloppy, improvised feel.

I thought the "discovery" of the new element was a real lame way of introducing The Convenient Plot Device, and the whole damn laser scene existed only to include Captain America's shield.

And there were two terribly cliche villains!

[The Technomancer]

See, that sounds like Thor you guys are describing.

[Crunched]

See, that sounds like Thor you guys are describing.

Haven't seen it, can't judge. Iron Man 1 is pretty good. Iron Man 2 exists, that's about the most enthusiastic I can get about it.

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I thought Iron Man 2 was... okay. Does anyone know why exactly it turned out weird like that? Were there behind the scene problems?

[smokeymicpot]

I thought Iron Man 2 was... okay. Does anyone know why exactly it turned out weird like that? Were there behind the scene problems?

Pretty sure they had behind the scene problems. Marvel wanted to push the Avengers focus in.

Our source says Iron Man 2 wasn’t the movie Jon Favreau wanted to make. Marvel interfered heavily with his work on the movie and turned the project into an infomercial for The Avengers. Favreau felt the movie was rushed into production (and if you followed the development process you know it was) and they pushed him into making it without a fully realized script. Iron Man 2 wasn’t the movie he wanted to make and because of that, if there’s an Iron Man 3, there’s every reason to think he won’t be back. Marvel doesn’t want to pay him and Favreau may not want to deal with more Marvel interference. Favreau wasn’t the only one unhappy with Iron Man 2. Robert Downey Jr. saw those same problems and according to our source, “While he's locked for Iron Man 3, chances are, that will be his last movie.” In the meantime, Downey will get (and probably deserves) top billing in The Avengers.

. http://www.cinemablend.com/new/How-I...vel-20003.html

[CorvoSol]

The American public is able to forget the past misdeeds of a rich guy and put their trust in him even though his goals are clearly selfish? I dunno, sounds like the real world to me.

Yeah, but they're also totally able to forget all those times that Super Heroes prevented Alien Invasion or Dr. Doom conquering the world because a school bus blew up so now all Super Heroes must obey America and I guess SHIELD does, too?

I excuse them for hating mutants though, because Mutant leaders are often pretty crazy. "What the Avengers want us to surrender the potential host for a Cosmic-Scale threat into their custody? THEY MUST NOT TRUST US BECAUSE WE ARE MUTANTS."

[WonkersTHEWatilla]

See, that sounds like Thor you guys are describing.

Thor has problems, but none of what the above few posts describe it particularly well.

[The Technomancer]

Thor has problems, but none of what the above few posts describe it particularly well.

Thor felt very unfocused to me. All of the secondary characters seemed completely uninteresting, it wasn't particularly tightly paced, and I never really felt like the movie was going anywhere. There was just a sudden fight against the Destroyer and then a final confrontation.

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Pretty sure they had behind the scene problems. Marvel wanted to push the Avengers focus in. . http://www.cinemablend.com/new/How-I...vel-20003.html

FUCK!

If Robert Downey Jr doesn't return in Avengers 2, I will literally cry.

[Jack Scofield]

Honest question: in Iron Man 2, War Machine was technically completely unaffiliated with Stark's Iron Man, correct? The US government had been trying to create its own power suit for years, but it instead takes one of Stark's suits and engineers War Machine without Tony's knowledge or approval.

If the government is trying to distance itself from Stark, and showing the public that they too can create a power suit, then why the hell don't they change the suits design? Like, it's identical to Iron Man. You don't have to be a particularly discerning individual to release the government ripped off Tony Stark wholesale, yet they don't even attempt to hide their plagiarizing. That point always bothered me.

It's like if I bought a Porsche, added a little hood ornament to it, claimed I invented the car, and no one was intelligent enough to call me out on my bullshit.

By the way, Iron Man 2 gets a lot of flak but people forget how hilarious Sam Rockwell was. I hope to god his character returns in Iron Man 3.

FUCK! If Robert Downey Jr doesn't return in Avengers 2, I will literally cry.

Check the date of that story. It was written two years ago when the future of the franchise (and the Avengers) was unknown. Downey will be back for Avengers 2.

[smokeymicpot]

FUCK! If Robert Downey Jr doesn't return in Avengers 2, I will literally cry.

Article is old. Chances Marvel will toss a shit load of money but the article to shows Iron Man 2's problems.

[Dram]

Robert Downey Jr made 50 million off the Avengers. I wonder how much they'll pay to keep him on?