[alstein]

If another country pulled this on the US...we'd blow them to hell. Iran is the superior country, obviously.

If we had Iran's military capacity, we wouldn't be pulling stuff like this, if Iran had our military capacity, they'd be a lot more aggressive with their agenda.

[theignoramus]

That's a pretty libelous claim about Christianity, never mind irrelevant. It casts a poor light on those who come out in support of Iran while at the same time further reinforcing the point that they are an antagonist regime that doesn't care much for people with opinions contrary to their own.

Oh, so anyone who questions US/Israeli foreign policy vis a vis Iran is an apologist for the Iranian regime and the hanging of homosexuals and persecution of women.
whatever.

[speedpop]

That's a pretty libelous claim about Christianity, never mind irrelevant.

Until an individual does not have to contact a group of bikers to protect their deceased homosexual son or daughter who has died in the service of fighting for their nation against anti-gay groups, then you can contact me back.

And for the record, I live next door to a pastor who is a generous and kind man. My mindset of religion is neutral at the very best, yet I cannot deny both sides of the coin concerning the good and the bad of both the religious and the secular. So before you stand upon your pedestal and preach whatever mindset against me, maybe you need to step back a bit and reconsider your thoughts about my lack of post history throughout this thread until now. In other words: I can't call it a chicken without seeing the egg and where it comes from.

[nib95]

Oh, so anyone who questions US/Israeli foreign policy vis a vis Iran is an apologist for the Iranian regime and the hanging of homosexuals and persecution of women. whatever.

So far he's also claimed Iran wants to destroy the US and claimed that it was illegal for women to drive in Iran. I don't think he really knows what he's talking about.

Does Iran have problems? Sure. But I'd imagine by in large many of the things we think as heinous the Iranian public would think were fair. It's a fairly conservative Islamic country don't forget. I'd imagine a good portion of the population are against homosexuality, just as a good portion are in the US. Thankfully that portion doesn't have as much power to enact on their beliefs by way of laws.

Though same sex marriage still being illegal in many/most(?) states might run counter to that belief.

[yarden24]

People like you are why a two state solution is seen as the only one. A single state solution is very possible, unless you feel Jews and Palestinians are not able to live together and have the social skills of animals. You wouldn't be suggesting that, would you?

I think the real problem with a one state solution is that neither side actully wants it, not anytime in the foreseeable future anyway

What I'm saying is, after everything that happened with Iraq, we need to be wary. Having said that, I've always been a supporter of Iran having nuclear weapons so it doesn't matter to my personal viewpoint. I think ownership of nukes is one of the main deterrents to agression from real threats these days, you know, countries like the US and Israel. Who will fuck up entire nations at whim or on false pretences or intel. But I know that opinion is unpopular among Americans.

ive asked you this in another topic but got no reply, why do you want the iranian goverment to get nukes? it seems to me the only reason they would want them is to be able to further influence neighboring countries without fear of reprisal, which while undoubtly is what the iranian goverment wants, the sanctions that are already strangeling thier economy will no doubt only get worse which will hurt the iranian citizen massivley.

while I dont want to insult you, it seems like you want the clearly unethical iranian goverment to gain nukes because they are from a muslim country that you feel connected too, and you havent really thought of what the consequences would be.

[Hix]

So far he's also claimed Iran wants to destroy the US and claimed that it was illegal for women to drive in Iran. I don't think he really knows what he's talking about.

So far you've claimed the IAEA and UN are biased in favor of the US/Israel and all the documented evidence of nuclear weapons development at Parchin, Iran, is made up. Including photoshopped pictures.

Does Iran have problems? Sure.

Ah well, it's only slaughtering homosexuals. It's bad but that doesn't mean they are intolerant people willing to dispose of ALL those who hold contrary to their views!

But I'd imagine by in large many of the things we think as heinous the Iranian public would think were fair. It's an Islamic country don't forget. I'd imagine a good portion of the population are against homosexuality, just as a good portion are in the US.

Dangerously close to justifying human rights abuse here.

[el retorno]

Dude, wtf dude. The only one showing incomprehensible ignorance on the statement here is you. A baffling amount of prejudice twists your thinking and turns negatives about regimes in to calls to wipe entire nations off a supposed map. It's insane.

Where is the predudice? Im basing it on constant statements that Israel is illegitimate, stolen, the holocaust never happened.

So you really think that statement is saying that saying the regime should not exist is really calling for a two state solution? (which wouldn't change the israeli regime)

I would argue that in the US, a lot of the Arab/Persian hate is fuelled by either fear, qhnd government, which in itself is often propagated for other political or financially motivated reasoning. That or religious idiocies. I'd say very little was rationally thought out, though sometimes it is. Having said that, rather than try to argue with you or defend myself against such an asinine accusation by yourself, I'll just take it to the mods. There is literally no point in debating with people like yourself. It's the Bush "you're either with us or against us" way of thinking all over again. Only now it's, "You're either with us or you hate us" instead.

I wasn't saying you hate america. It was to prove a point that people accuse people of hating something way to easily.

[nib95]

ive asked you this in another topic but got no reply, why do you want the iranian goverment to get nukes? it seems to me the only reason they would want them is to be able to further influence neighboring countries without fear of reprisal, which while undoubtly is what the iranian goverment wants, the sanctions that are already strangeling thier economy will no doubt only get worse which will hurt the iranian citizen massivley. while I dont want to insult you, it seems like you want the clearly unethical iranian goverment to gain nukes because they are from a muslim country that you feel connected too, and you havent really thought of what the consequences would be.

Lol, I have no connection with Iran at all. I just know, based on facts, that the US and Israel's track record is undeniably more aggressive and dangerous. Whilst sanctions hurt Iran in the short term, once they get those nuke's they at least have some deterrent for the long run. Without them they are sort of sitting ducks to a, at this point, near likely attack from Israel or the US. Just look at Lebanon and Iraq. Those countries were annihilated, and for what? Better to deal with sanctions and trade with other nations (China/Russia) than be put at risk of having your country completely totalled at any point, and millions of civilians be murdered, over very little to nothing.

Without those nukes Iran will always be under threat of annihilation. Even if they followed protocol and did things by the book (see Iraq).

Dangerously close to justifying human rights abuse here.

As oppose to justifying out right wars or tactics that risk the lives of millions of innocent civilians? Hmmm...

[H3xum]

Is this a surprise to anyone?

[el retorno]

Lol, I have no connection with Iran at all. I just know, based on facts, that the US and Israel's track record is undeniably more aggressive and dangerous. Whilst sanctions hurt Iran in the short term, once they get those nuke's they at least have some deterrent for the long run. Without them they are sort of sitting ducks to a, at this point, near likely attack from Israel or the US. Just look at Lebanon and Iraq. Those countries were annihilated, and for what?

Yup the have the deterrent to continue their horrible treatment of women, minorities and gays!

And Lebanon and Iraq were annihilated?

[theignoramus]

So far he's also claimed Iran wants to destroy the US and claimed that it was illegal for women to drive in Iran. I don't think he really knows what he's talking about.

I think he's using misdirection to shift and confuse the parameters of the debate.

[nib95]

Yup the have the deterrent to continue their horrible treatment of women, minorities and gays! And Lebanon and Iraq were annihilated?

Yes they were.

And the stuff you talk about, human rights etc. That stuff has to change from the inside as it did in my country (the UK) and yours. Not from threat of war or actual war. As has been seen time and time again, by in large such wars just end with more conservative governments or more political turmoil further down the line.

Iran itself is the very example of that. It did once have a secular democratic government. But the US/UK did away with it and instead instilled the Shah. Why? Because at the time Iran wanted to nationalise their oil which was previously controlled by a British company.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Ir..._d%27%C3%A9tat

Read up on it. Your're damned if you do, damned if you don't. Especially if you have those valuable resources.

[phosphor112]

As for the defending of Iran, it's even more bizarre given it's track record for summarily executing people for things like being a homosexual or (if you're a women) getting caught driving.

I just now got to this page, but your ignorance is just spewing out of your asshole now.
Iran has some of the most women's rights out of all of the Middle East. Far more rights than any of our "allies" over there.

[Lonely1]

That's why Iran nuclear facilities should run on Linux.

[el retorno]

Yes they were. And the stuff you talk about, human rights etc. That stuff has to change from the inside as it did in my country (the UK) and yours. Not from threat of war or actual war. As has been seen time and time again, by in large such wars just end with more conservative governments or more political turmoil further down the line. Iran itself is the very example of that. It did once have a secular democratic government. But the US/UK did away with it and instead instilled the Shah, because at the time Iran wanted to nationalise their oil which was previously controlled by a British company. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Ir..._d%27%C3%A9tat Read up on it. Your're damned if you do, damned if you don't. Especially if you have those valuable resources.

Im not arguing for imposing Human Rights from abroad (i have no problem with education and pressure). I'm just saying that with those nukes that change is a heck of a lot less likely to come from the inside. They can crush any decent without the world being able to do anything. And before you ask I believe in the R2P doctrine.

And lets not pretend that if the 1953 coup wouldn't have happened everything would have been peachy and Iran a bastion of democracy. We can't change the past. You have to act in the present.

[Hix]

I just now got to this page, but your ignorance is just spewing out of your asshole now. Iran has some of the most women's rights out of all of the Middle East. Far more rights than any of our "allies" over there.

"some of the most women's rights" you've heard it here first folks. Forget Israel, Iran even let's women appear in court (but with a lower value of legal testimony than a man)!

You've come late to the party and you've clearly brought no beer. Why don't you just go away?

[CHEEZMO™]

Yup the have the deterrent to continue their horrible treatment of women, minorities and gays! And Lebanon and Iraq were annihilated?

This almost sounds like you support a war with Iran based on their mistreatment of homosexuals.

[el retorno]

This almost sounds like you support a war with Iran based on their mistreatment of homosexuals.

No, it sounds like I support preventing Iran from getting nukes because I don't think that a nation with such horrible human rights records should have a "deterent"

[theignoramus]

Im not arguing for imposing Human Rights from abroad (i have no problem with education and pressure). I'm just saying that with those nukes that change is a heck of a lot less likely to come from the inside. They can crush any decent without the world being able to do anything. And before you ask I believe in the R2P doctrine. And lets not pretend that if the 1953 coup wouldn't have happened everything would have been peachy and Iran a bastion of democracy. We can't change the past. You have to act in the present.

actually, crippling, indiscriminate sanctions will do more to crush dissent than anything else. We know from the Iraq precedent.

[phosphor112]

Im not arguing for imposing Human Rights from abroad (i have no problem with education and pressure). I'm just saying that with those nukes that change is a heck of a lot less likely to come from the inside. They can crush any decent without the world being able to do anything. And before you ask I believe in the R2P doctrine. And lets not pretend that if the 1953 coup wouldn't have happened everything would have been peachy and Iran a bastion of democracy. We can't change the past. You have to act in the present.

You can't change the past, but you're clearly ignoring it. Just back the fuck up from all the countries over there.

Who put Saddam into power? The west.
Who put the Taliban in power? The west.
Who put the current Iranian Regime in power? It was result of the west imposing another one of their fucking puppets in the region.

Again and again and again, you guys never fucking learn. They don't like the west because they fuck everything up.

Sure you can't change the past, and you "act in the present" but ignoring the crimes that the west has done to them is fucking bullshit.

Fucking warmongering apologist son of a bitch.

And for the fucking record, the last time Iran was in a War, it was because we told Saddam to go to war with them, with the weapons we gave them. I'm fucking sorry, but you've got to be on some fucking high horse to believe they shouldn't have nuclear weapons to dissuade any more bullshit from the good ole US of A, let alone nuclear energy.

This shit infuriates me. Fucking god damn police of the fucking world.

[jorma]

Some people on GAF hate the US, Iran hates the US so they support them. :/

Oh the irony.

[el retorno]

actually, crippling, indiscriminate sanctions will do more to crush dissent than anything else. We know from the Iraq precedent.

Your reading something I never put in there. If were talking about the human rights aspect I favor more of and egyptian model where we educated and gave tech to the dissidents.

The sanctions now are to pressure the government into a deal.

You can't change the past, but you're clearly ignoring it. Just back the fuck up from all the countries over there. Who put Saddam into power? The west. Who put the Taliban in power? The west. Who put the current Iranian Regime in power? It was result of the west imposing another one of their fucking puppets in the region. Again and again and again, you guys never fucking learn. They don't like the west because they fuck everything up. Sure you can't change the past, and you "act in the present" but ignoring the crimes that the west has done to them is fucking bullshit. Fucking warmongering apologist son of a bitch. And for the fucking record, the last time Iran was in a War, it was because we told Saddam to go to war with them, with the weapons we gave them. I'm fucking sorry, but you've got to be on some fucking high horse to believe they shouldn't have nuclear weapons to dissuade any more bullshit from the good ole US of A, let alone nuclear energy. This shit infuriates me. Fucking god damn police of the fucking world.

The west has done everything, were the cause of all problems. We're sorry. Nobody else contributed to those actions at the time, we've never changed policy. We've never done anything good in the region.

[phosphor112]

"some of the most women's rights" you've heard it here first folks. Forget Israel, Iran even let's women appear in court (but with a lower value of legal testimony than a man)! You've come late to the party and you've clearly brought no beer. Why don't you just go away?

Do you even understand what you're saying? What countries over there even allow a woman to testify? Huh? Saudi Arabia? Egypt? Not with the fucking Muslim Brotherhood candidate winning. How about Pakistan? No? Afghanistan? No?

FUCK OFF if you don't know what you're talking about.

How about you educate yourselves with these proud productions from Steve Ricks.

Documentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D61uriEGsIM

Lectures of Iran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtELk8S3dhU

[Hix]

Do you even understand what you're saying? What countries over there even allow a woman to testify? Huh? Saudi Arabia? Egypt? Not with the fucking Muslim Brotherhood candidate winning. How about Pakistan? No? Afghanistan? No? FUCK OFF if you don't know what you're talking about.

you mad bro?

Israel does a pretty good job when it comes to women testifying. There's an example.

How about you educate yourselves with these proud productions from Steve Ricks.

Good thing he's not gay and is allowed to be alive in Iran, isn't it?

[theignoramus]

Your reading something I never put in there. If were talking about the human rights aspect I favor more of and egyptian model where we educated and gave tech to the dissidents. The sanctions now are to pressure the government into a deal.

the sanctions now are indiscriminate. they're not crippling though, fortunately, Iran is too important for eastern countries to not do business with, so the impact of the sanctions regime wont be as devastating for civilians as it was in Iraq.

[yarden24]

Lol, I have no connection with Iran at all. I just know, based on facts, that the US and Israel's track record is undeniably more aggressive and dangerous. Whilst sanctions hurt Iran in the short term, once they get those nuke's they at least have some deterrent for the long run. Without them they are sort of sitting ducks to a, at this point, near likely attack from Israel or the US. Just look at Lebanon and Iraq. Those countries were annihilated, and for what? Better to deal with sanctions and trade with other nations (China/Russia) than be put at risk of having your country completely totalled at any point, and millions of civilians be murdered, over very little to nothing. Without those nukes Iran will always be under threat of annihilation. Even if they followed protocol and did things by the book (see Iraq). As oppose to justifying out right wars or tactics that risk the lives of millions of innocent civilians? Hmmm...

I think you are underestimating the effect heavy sanctions will have on iranian citizens, if things continue in the same direction a huge amount of iranians would be thrown into poverty, the quality of life, which is declining already, will be horrible.

moreover the invasion of iran by the united states has only become a real threat after iran has started seeking nuclear arms, before that no gave a shit what iran did, even though it funded the US's enemys, the reason for the nukes is much more the likley for the purpose of spreading the iranian goverments ideals and world view then fear for their people.

and because numerous people have brought it up in this thread, israel is in no way a real threat to iran, the most they will ever do is bomb specific locations which post a strategic threat to israel, anyone saying anything else is just making things up

[el retorno]

the sanctions now are indiscriminate. they're not crippling though, fortunately, Iran is too important for eastern countries to not do business with, so the impact of the sanctions regime wont be as devastating for civilians as it was in Iraq.

I don't know what your debating with me at this point. The sanctions are targeted at the country to get them to come to the table. The lack of business with the the west will hurt them. As will the upcoming oil embargo.

[theignoramus]

you mad bro? Israel does a pretty good job when it comes to women testifying. There's an example. Good thing he's not gay and is allowed to be alive in Iran, isn't it?

Good thing he's not a child in Gaza. He might have white phosphorus dropped on him.

[theignoramus]

I don't know what your debating with me at this point. The sanctions are targeted at the country to get them to come to the table. The lack of business with the the west will hurt them. As will the upcoming oil embargo.

you're saying that Iranian nukes will help them crush dissent at home, since they can do whatever they want without fear of invasion. (Im not sure there's any historical precedent of a regime with nukes being less vulnerable to internal collapse, so the factual basis of what you're saying is pretty dubious) Im saying that indiscriminate sanctions that hurt civilians and force them to rely more heavily on the regime for basic necessities will do more to hurt the chances of the regime collapsing from within.

[yarden24]

Good thing he's not a child in Gaza. He might have white phosphorus dropped on him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_p...us_use_in_Iraq

lucky he wasnt from iraq either.

you're saying that Iranian nukes will help them crush dissent at home, since they can do whatever they want without fear of invasion. (Im not sure there's any historical precedent of a regime with nukes being less vulnerable to internal collapse) Im saying that indiscriminate sanctions that hurt civilians and force them to rely more heavily on the regime for basic necessities will do more to hurt the chances of the regime collapsing from within.

this actully seemed to work well in south africa's case, and while it might very well help the goverment maintain stabilty, making thier economy collapse will hurt thier abilty to project power and greatly reduces them as a military threat, which I think is the main point.(this no doubt hurts civilians massivley mind you)

[phosphor112]

The west has done everything, were the cause of all problems. We're sorry. Nobody else contributed to those actions at the time, we've never changed policy. We've never done anything good in the region.

WE'VE FREED AFGHANISTAN! WOOT!
Only because those bastard Commies were taking it over!

WE FREED AFGHANISTAN AGAIN!
After we helped establish the Taliban as the ruling party there to fight the Commies... they ended up being bad people though!

WE GAVE IRAQ FREEDOM!
After putting them through a terrible dictator we placed there.

WE LIBERATED THE PEOPLE OF LIBYA!
Resulting in a quick ~25k thousand deaths and safe havens for extremists.

The policy for the middle east will never change. It hasn't for the past century, and it STILL won't.

I'm not putting all the blame on the "white man," sectarian violence has fucked up the region for centuries, but the meddling REALLY doesn't help.

you mad bro? Israel does a pretty good job when it comes to women testifying. There's an example.

I'm not even talking about them! I'm debunking the bullshit claims you and your group keep spewing out.

[jaxword]

Hey phosphor112, there was some goober in another thread claiming that the usa DOES NOT have a habit of CREATING problems (i.e. biological weapons) and then has to spend millions to clean them up later.

Given your knowledge on various Western interventions, do you think that happens regularly? "That" meaning the possibility of the US having weapons/etc that eventually get out of hand and have to be reigned in.

The goober denied this was a possibility.

[phosphor112]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_p...us_use_in_Iraq lucky he wasnt from iraq either.

Who's defending Saddam??

Hey phosphor112, there was some goober in another thread claiming that the usa DOES NOT have a habit of CREATING problems (i.e. biological weapons) and then has to spend millions to clean them up later. Given your knowledge on various Western interventions, do you think that happens regularly? "That" meaning the possibility of the US having weapons/etc that eventually get out of hand and have to be reigned in. The goober denied this was a possibility.

The hell you talking about? These are historical facts that I've pointed out. This isn't tin foil hat shit that you're probably trying to paint this as.
Read a history book.

[GaimeGuy]

Sounds like a reasonable thing to do with a nuclear plant.

What it did was make the centrifuges speed up to the point of sabotage, but log i tas though it was operating normally. So the scientists would see mechanical failure but operationally the logs would say they were operating as normal.

[Hix]

I'm not even talking about them!

You're talking about the region (the Middle East). You even specifically mentioned the US's allies!

Glad you admit that Israel, as the region's only fair and open democracy, is vastly superior when it comes to human rights than ALL of it's neighbors.

I'm debunking the bullshit claims you and your group keep spewing out.

Oh is that what you were doing? Sorry, it looked like you were spewing endless vitriol about how it's America's fault blah blah and Iran kills gays but hey that's ok blah blah.

Seriously, you should just leave. You're an embarrassment to yourself.

[phosphor112]

You're talking about the region (the Middle East). You even specifically mentioned the US's allies! Glad you admit that Israel, as the region's only fair and open democracy, is vastly superior when it comes to human rights than ALL of it's neighbors.

I labeled the "allies" in question. Learn to read.

Oh is that what you were doing? Sorry, it looked like you were spewing endless vitriol about how it's America's fault blah blah and Iran kills gays but hey that's ok blah blah. Seriously, you should just leave. You're an embarrassment to yourself.

Did I say it was ok for them to kill gays? Who's fault is it that the Islamic Revolution happened? Oh? Not the US? What about the CIA? No? Ok. Oh wait...

[jaxword]

The hell you talking about? These are historical facts that I've pointed out. This isn't tin foil hat shit that you're probably trying to paint this as. Read a history book.

Easy there, I was asking your opinion, not debasing anything you were saying.

[Hix]

I labeled the "allies" in question. Learn to read.

OHHHHH, cherry picking America's allies in the region. So Iran's human rights abuse isn't that bad compared to other Islamic states, but compared to the rest of the World it's absolutely horrific and deplorable. Gotcha.

Anyway, you still admit Israel is vastly superior on the human rights thing, yeah? I mean that's the important part I'm taking out of your post.

Did I say it was ok for them to kill gays? Who's fault is it that the Islamic Revolution happened? Oh? Not the US? What about the CIA? No? Ok.

Blah blah US made Iran kill gays blah blah

[BlueTsunami]

Same tired argument on whether Iran is evil or not. Could have been a more interesting discussion on cyber warfare, especially the bit about losing control of such a sophisticated weapon.

[CHEEZMO™]

Same tired argument on whether Iran is evil or not. Could have been a more interesting discussion on cyber warfare, especially the bit about losing control of such a sophisticated weapon.

Seriously.

[jorma]

Anyway, you still admit Israel is vastly superior on the human rights thing, yeah? I mean that's the important part I'm taking out of your post.

As long as we aren't talking about people living in Palestine/the occupied territories, this is undoubtedly true.

But is your argument that this gives them the moral authority to wage war on Iran? If not, i really don't see the point. And if it is, i strongly disagree.

[phosphor112]

OHHHHH, cherry picking America's allies in the region. So Iran's human rights abuse isn't that bad compared to other Islamic states, but compared to the rest of the World it's absolutely horrific and deplorable. Gotcha. Anyway, you still admit Israel is vastly superior on the human rights thing, yeah? I mean that's the important part I'm taking out of your post.

I never questioned the human rights of Israel compared to the rest of the middle east. Not even once. Do they have their problems? Yes, so does everyone else in the region.

"Compared to the rest of the world" Israel is a fucking nightmare, so you can't use that point of view in your favor.

Displacement of thousands of people. Preventing AND attacking a flotilla that had medical and food aid, mind you this was all done in international waters. Use of WP against Palestinians. They aren't innocent like you paint them out to be.

Blah blah US made Iran kill gays blah blah

Oh, so I said the US made Iran kill gays? Keep putting words in my mouth. You clearly don't understand cause and effect.

[GashPrex]

Don't really care about the political talk - but I think this was a pretty amazing program from a technological standpoint.

Also, if the choice (whether you agree with it or not) was to: 1) Bomb Iran or 2) Infect Nuclear Program with targeted virus to disable/slow- clearly, choice 2 is preferable from a loss of life and stability standpoint.

[Hix]

As long as we aren't talking about people living in Palestine/the occupied territories, this is undoubtedly true.

Ah, you're talking about the Occupied (actually Disputed) Territories that Israel provides electric, water, phone/internet service (and more finance and aid in the year than any other nation in the world combined) to? I see.

But is your argument that this gives them the moral authority to wage war on Iran? If not, i really don't see the point. And if it is, i strongly disagree.

Nah, there's no point there at all. Someone originally was wondering how GAF has an Iran Defense Force and I'm showing up the hypocrisy that some people would be pro-anything if it meant being anti-Israel.

I never questioned the human rights of Israel compared to the rest of the middle east. Not even once. Do they have their problems? Yes, so does everyone else in the region.

So Iran kills gays, we all got our problems!

But yeah, you admit Israel's superiority over human rights. That's the important part.

Oh, so I said the US made Iran kill gays? Keep putting words in my mouth. You clearly don't understand cause and effect.

US caused the Islamic revolution so it's their fault Iran kills gays blah blah.

[RiZ III]

I have never heard an Israeli politician say "I wish all Iranians to be eliminated from the face of the earth".

That's because it is usually not reported by western media. Israeli politicians have quoted the Bible and its stories of the destruction of Ai and other cities and compare those to Iran.

Israel also has nukes and has bombed it's neighboring countries throughout the decades. They're as big of threat in that region as anyone else.

[theignoramus]

Ah, you're talking about the Occupied Territories that Israel provides electric, water, phone/internet service (and more finance and aid in the year than any other nation in the world combined) to? I see. Nah, there's no point there at all. Someone originally was wondering how GAF has an Iran Defense Force and I'm showing up the hypocrisy that some people would be pro-anything if it meant being anti-Israel.

You at least had a point about Israel's human rights. An irrelevant point, but it was a correct observation, nonetheless. But what you posted above...you dont want to go here. Spare yourself the embarrassment.

[phosphor112]

This message is hidden because Hix is on your ignore list.

Can't refute? Stop wasting my time.

[Redux]

America is allowed to build weapons of mass destruction and bomb the shit out of other countries, but if Iran is developing nuclear material, HOW DARE THEM.

People need to stop saying this. Iran is an extremely aggressive nation and has been at war since the 1950s. And if record servers me correctly, they signed an agreement to not have any weapons of mass destruction.

Iran sympathizes and gives comfort to other terrorist groups.

If Iran gets nukes, it will trigger an arms race.

[CHEEZMO™]

Hix: now you've just descended into childish fanboy silliness. Replace "Israel" with your gaming console of choice and "Iran" with a company you dont like and your last few posts would read like something written on GameFAQs by a 14 year old in a heated fanboy war.

This thread has gone to shit.

People need to stop saying this. Iran is an extremely aggressive nation and has been at war since the 1950s.

What?

[Hix]

Hix: now you've just descended into childish fanboy silliness. Replace "Israel" with your gaming console of choice and "Iran" with a company you dont like and your last few posts would read like something written on GameFAQs by a 14 year old in a heated fanboy war. This thread has gone to shit.

You've made no contribution to this thread and this post is even less of a contribution. If this thread has gone to shit, you have only yourself to blame.