[Notrollious]

why is ATI winning all these designs?

IIRC it's because their architecture is more efficient and less power hungry than Nvidia's counterparts, at least they were when I got my last card.

[Pandemic]

Can they just shove these parts into a box, and start selling the PS4, and have a manual on how to construct your PS4...

I need next-gen consoles!

[elfinke]

Don't be a bellend. Oops, too late.

How do you follow football without a sense of humour, man? C'mon. Sheesh.

psx-sense is a fan blog site. They already came up with news that ended up lies.

Ahhh! This is what I was waiting for. Websites with hyphens in their name are rarely good for you.

[painful fart]

Edit: can a mod change SOC to APU in the title? http://translate.google.nl/translate...ecificaties%2F google translate from psx-sense is this a trusted site?

"it will have a maximum output of 1080"
Fake spec is fake.

[Yenrot]

You'll never walk alone, Sony.

[Durante]

IIRC it's because their architecture is more efficient and less power hungry than Nvidia's counterparts, at least they were when I got my last card.

That's no longer true, but it was true when they would have had these design wins. But only in GPUs, not CPUs.

[iamshadowlark]

That pretty much kills the rumor then. 7950 at the 800mhz clock is pushing almost 3000GFLOPs and of course the 7970 is pushing almost 4000

I doubt it would be in a retail configuration. Surely they would remove ALUs.

[Zophar]

Sony overpowering again. *sigh* I was hoping they would do something different. I hope this isn't true.

I thought we were complaining that this generation's consoles hit their limits prematurely and haven't been powerful enough to keep up relative to past cycles?

[Glorified G]

Almost every 'rumour' (as in, coming from the developers with devkit access, so not really a rumour) has matched what this post described. Steamroller CPU, ~1.7-1.8GFlop GPU, 2GB of unified RAM. That's almost assuredly what the devkit is right now, or was a few months ago. No, I really doubt that.

If your saying that's for the discrete gpu, as long as they bump up the ram to 4, I'm satisfied.

[USC-fan]

Even if we ignore the cost (five hundred and ninety nine US dollars) , this GPU has a 230 W TDP... That would be fun on a console. For reference, the whole PS3 used about 200 W back at launch.

Yes the retail system. This could be dev kit hardware. The ps3 dev had sli nvidia cards[6800 ultras] in the early dev kits. tpd of these gpus are over that....

[Notrollious]

That's no longer true, but it was true when they would have had these design wins. But only in GPUs, not CPUs.

Well, yeah. The HD 6000 series was far more efficient than Nvidia's counterparts... Which is what I'm going to guess will be in the next generation of consoles.

As for AMD CPU's: LOL.

[antonz]

I doubt it would be in a retail configuration. Surely they would remove ALUs.

Would make no sense to take a 7970 or something then basically remove half of its performance.

[specialguy]

The GPU is an ATI r10xx at 800MHz with 1843 GFLOPS, this is code-named "Tahiti." This chip is also include on AMD Radeon HD 7970, both chips (CPU and GPU) are 28nm processors.

Tahiti is over 3 teraflops, so this rumor isn't internally consistent. Link here http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/15/2...oard-memory-3w

I suppose it's possible this rumor has truth too it, and the site just got the name of the gpu wrong, but it is a 1.8 teraflop GPU.

Because I had heard the PS4 had a better GPU but less RAM than Durango, and that Durango had a 1-1.5 TF GPU. So all that fits, for whatever tiny bit it's worth, which isn't much.

It's all likely too much for a SOC too. Most likely it's just balony.

[ghst]

a 7970 bolted on to a 3.2 ghz quad core as part of an apu?

you know why you'd only be getting less than half the 3.8 tflops you'd expect from a 7970? because it would be on fire.

the source also states that ps4 was going to be a announced at e3 until the gpu threw a last minute spanner in the works (which was the only reason for the underwhelming conference, duhhhh).

sonyfriend fanfiction. good for a quick tug but don't propose to it or anything.

[v1oz]

Sony overpowering again. *sigh* I was hoping they would do something different. I hope this isn't true.

No the real issue here is abandoning CELL. When for years we were being told CELL was the future of all things. And that CELL would be in everything from televisions to toasters.

[Durante]

Would make no sense to take a 7970 or something then basically remove half of its performance.

Depending on the situation, it could make sense. With a console you're not limited to off-the-shelf parts. You can customize the desired feature set, performance, cost and thermal envelope.

[Lord Error]

[QUOTE=antonz;38657413]Indeed. For it to be a tahiti based gpu in that range it would have to be a 7850 likely.

1843GFlop makes it a somewhat more than 7850 but much less than 7870, which is 2500GFl. And going with Steamroller for the CPU would be pretty odd. AMD has all but admitted defeat in CPU for the high end

CPU may not be such a huge deal, it's not like the machine will be used for scientific computations or offline rendering. Even for those things, programmable GPUs are usually better option now anyway.

you know why you'd only be getting less than half the 3.8 tflops you'd expect from a 7970?

Because that's not what was written in the first place. It doesn't say that it's 7970 in there.

[Man]

I thought we were complaining that this generation's consoles hit their limits prematurely and haven't been powerful enough to keep up relative to past cycles?

I have never been as impressed with end-generation content like I am with Last of Us and GOW4. We are reaching a certain level of visuals now where it's all purely budget.

PS4/X720 will do Final Fantasy movie like graphics. Not the actual ray-tracing craziness or individual strains of hair per skin-cell but it will achieve the overall visual impact in hand of good developers.

[sublimit]

Damn it seems Sony will go out with a bang.BRING IT ON!!!

[2+2=5]

Then don't read them.

Infact i haven't red the info on the op.

[iamshadowlark]

Would make no sense to take a 7970 or something then basically remove half of its performance.

Thats typically what console gpu's are anyway. They do it for the architecture.

[fluffydelusions]

599 US clams

More than that. Well I guess it depends when it releases really (if rumors are true)

[JB1981]

come man, who is the source?

[BrokenEchelon]

I hope these specs are true.

[USC-fan]

Well, yeah. The HD 6000 series was far more efficient than Nvidia's counterparts... Which is what I'm going to guess will be in the next generation of consoles. As for AMD CPU's: LOL.

Why are you "LOL"?

The amd apu's kick Intels ass in gfx performance.

[Lord Error]

come man, who is the source?

Rumor with these specs has been fairly persistent the last month or two, and source are developers who want to remain anonymous. Unless everyone's lying about everything (this and new Xbox specs) it seems fairly believable.

[Notrollious]

Why are you "LOL"? The amd apu's kick Intels ass in gfx performance.

Graphics performance, yes, but for everything else, AMD are incredibly behind Intel in terms of pretty much everything else.

[Projectjustice]

$699.99, Sony is going for broke!

[jett]

7970 seems crazy...or does it? PS3's RSX was based on the Nvidia 7800(with some features at a lower spec), which 18 months before the PS3 launch was top of the line, unless I'm mistaken. So if the PS4 ends up launching in late 2013 it's virtually the same situation.

[specialguy]

No the real issue here is abandoning CELL. When for years we were being told CELL was the future of all things. And that CELL would be in everything from televisions to toasters.

Most likely no Cell in PS4 is a done deal and has been so for a long time. It's a pretty dead chip.

Plus you can be sure next time Sony doesnt want to be difficult to program for again.

Only message board noobs think there's any chance of Cell in PS4.

[TEH-CJ]

holy shit 7970hd LOL

this thing will pump out some crazy visuals

[Lord Error]

7970 seems crazy...or does it?

It's not 7970, that was a misleading quote. If you read it a bit more carefully you'll see what he meant.

[bgassassin]

Everything is correct. They just used the wrong name for the GPU. It's comparable to an underclocked Pitcairn.

[iamshadowlark]

$799.99, Sony is going for broke!

Nothing about this rumor really suggests much more than $400 worth of tech.

I just wish this site would leak this supposed document it has.

[Durante]

7970 seems crazy...or does it? PS3's RSX was based on the Nvidia 7800(with some features at a lower spec), which 18 months before the PS3 launch was top of the line, unless I'm mistaken. So if the PS4 ends up launching in late 2013 it's virtually the same situation.

That's actually true. Something to consider at least. However, back then die shrinks were still more reliable, and high-end GPUs used less power. It's more likely that this is really just a 1.8 TFlop GPU, so ~ 1/2 of a 7970.

[TEH-CJ]

Graphics performance, yes, but for everything else, AMD are incredibly behind Intel in terms of pretty much everything else.

Thats all that matters. this is a gaming console after all.

[1-D_FTW]

a 7970 bolted on to a 3.2 ghz quad core as part of an apu? you know why you'd only be getting less than half the 3.8 tflops you'd expect from a 7970? because it would be on fire. the source also states that ps4 was going to be a announced at e3 until the gpu threw a last minute spanner in the works (which was the only reason for the underwhelming conference, duhhhh). sonyfriend fanfiction. good for a quick tug but don't propose to it or anything.

Thanks for the laughs.

[clutch.as.it.gets.]

Increase the RAM to 4 GB and you will have a good machine, Sony.

[bgassassin]

Nothing about this rumor really suggests much more than $400 worth of tech.

I agree. I think Sony is on track for a powerful console that won't break the bank this coming gen.

[Diddy Kong]

or $199 and $20 a month for the rest of your life

Fixed.

[jett]

It's not 7970, that was a misleading quote. If you read it a bit more carefully you'll see what he meant.

I see now. Well, even less crazy then.

[gaming_noob]

Fixed.

Sooo tired of your trolling.

[Dreams-Visions]

7970 would be absolutely amazing. That's top of the line today.

which is why it ain't happening.

the power draw and cooling alone that would be needed...

[specialguy]

Everything is correct. They just used the wrong name for the GPU. It's comparable to an underclocked Pitcairn.

So if PS4 had a 1.8 TF GPU but 2GB RAM, presumably GDDR5. Durango as rumored had a 1-1.5 TF GPU and 8GB RAM, albeit slower DDR3, that would be well, pretty interesting how it would turn out in practice and which would have better looking games.

I'm guessing third parties wouldn't love the massive RAM disparity there for porting.

[onQ123]

Everything is correct. They just used the wrong name for the GPU. It's comparable to an underclocked Pitcairn.

even the code-name Liverpool & 16GB of flash?

[Arnie]

I'll buy 3.

[gamergirly]

Sounds like $599.95 to me. Man, I hope they make something affordable, between them or MS. We thinking about only 2 consoles this gen......

[Projectjustice]

Nothing about this rumor really suggests much more than $400 worth of tech. I just wish this site would leak this supposed document it has.

Yea cause it wont be a 7970 in it.

[Notrollious]

Thats all that matter. this is a gaming console after all.

So how do you suppose the raw number crunching and mathematics behind enemy AI, physics, lights, etc is going to be done? You could have a Radeon HD 7970 but if you pair it with an Intel Core 2 Duo, your bottle neck is always going to be the processor.

Also that's partially why the Cell processor in the PS3 is so successful, especially when you off load a lot of the number crunching from the GPU to the CPU.

[Glorified G]

So if PS4 had a 1.8 TF GPU but 2GB RAM, presumably GDDR5. Durango as rumored had a 1-1.5 TF GPU and 8GB RAM, albeit slower DDR3, that would be well, pretty interesting how it would turn out in practice and which would have better looking games. I'm guessing third parties wouldn't love the massive RAM disparity there for porting.

umm what? Where did you hear this?