[LiquidMetal14]

sonyfriend fanfiction. good for a quick tug but don't propose to it or anything.

Yep. What timing too!

[USC-fan]

Graphics performance, yes, but for everything else, AMD are incredibly behind Intel in terms of pretty much everything else.

But that is the only thing that mater in a GAMING console. So if you think about it, its the perfect move.

[iamshadowlark]

Yea cause it wont be a 7970 in it.

I never said it was. Even if it was one hypothetically in there, price of the gpu and ram alone wouldn't be the barrier.

[onQ123]

So if PS4 had a 1.8 TF GPU but 2GB RAM, presumably GDDR5. Durango as rumored had a 1-1.5 TF GPU and 8GB RAM, albeit slower DDR3, that would be well, pretty interesting how it would turn out in practice and which would have better looking games. I'm guessing third parties wouldn't love the massive RAM disparity there for porting.

I wonder if the 16GB of flash can be used to help with the fast 2GB of ram?

[clutch.as.it.gets.]

So if PS4 had a 1.8 TF GPU but 2GB RAM, presumably GDDR5. Durango as rumored had a 1-1.5 TF GPU and 8GB RAM, albeit slower DDR3, that would be well, pretty interesting how it would turn out in practice and which would have better looking games. I'm guessing third parties wouldn't love the massive RAM disparity there for porting.

I really don`t think Durango will have that much. My money is on 4 GB, maybe 6 GB of RAM at best.

[theBishop]

These specs are underwhelming. How credible are they? Also, how credible is the casual 1.5GB figure for WiiU ram?

[gundamkyoukai]

Nothing about this rumor really suggests much more than $400 worth of tech. I just wish this site would leak this supposed document it has.

Yep it sound about right , depending on what they want to do 450 the most .
With that you have good console and not breaking the bank.

[JABEE]

Everything is correct. They just used the wrong name for the GPU. It's comparable to an underclocked Pitcairn.

How do you know this?

[gaming_noob]

Everything is correct. They just used the wrong name for the GPU. It's comparable to an underclocked Pitcairn.

How do you know? How does it compare with the 720?

[Instro]

Everything is correct. They just used the wrong name for the GPU. It's comparable to an underclocked Pitcairn.

Yeah I was going to say this looks like specs you posted a while back. Other than the mistakes in the names

[Takuya]

These specs are pretty nice. Even though 2gb gddr5 should be goo enough, I'd like for them to push for 4 gb gddr5. Memory is one thing try can't go wrong on this cycle.

[iamshadowlark]

These specs are underwhelming. How credible are they? Also, how credible is the casual 1.5GB figure for WiiU ram?

I did want a 2tflop console but I wouldn't really call this underwhelming. And 1.5 GBs is about what most of the rumors say so.

[raven777]

they won't put the same retail specs. They will adjust/downgrade accordingly, just they did with PS3.

I still doubt it would be 7970 level

[Thunder Monkey]

These specs are pretty nice. Even though 2gb gddr5 should be goo enough, I'd like for them to push for 4 gb gddr5. Memory is one thing try can't go wrong on this cycle.

Too many chips.

Something like 16 RAM chips would be needed.

That's a really complex board.

A fuckton more bruteforce. But lacking in memory in comparison to Durango, but much much faster.

I like more console oriented designs than what I've read of Durango.

[Projectjustice]

I never said it was. Even if it was one hypothetically in there, price of the gpu and ram alone wouldn't be the barrier.

Its a 6670 under the hood. 7970 will never happen.

[bgassassin]

So if PS4 had a 1.8 TF GPU but 2GB RAM, presumably GDDR5. Durango as rumored had a 1-1.5 TF GPU and 8GB RAM, albeit slower DDR3, that would be well, pretty interesting how it would turn out in practice and which would have better looking games. I'm guessing third parties wouldn't love the massive RAM disparity there for porting.

It's definitely going to be interesting on how that plays out with Xbox 3. I would believe it would have to be a split pool (something like 6GB DDR3 and 2GB GDDR5 FB) in that case.

even the code-name Liverpool & 16GB of flash?

I can't vouch for the codename or the flash unfortunately, so everything other than that. :P

How do you know this?

How do you know? How does it compare with the 720?

The target specs have been out since last year.

[Horsemama1956]

But that is the only thing that mater in a GAMING console. So if you think about it, its the perfect move.

Yeah Intel is king but you probably wouldn't notice it at 1080p in a blind test. The kind of processor most need for gaming nowadays is really overblown.

[gundamkyoukai]

I did want a 2tflop console but I wouldn't really call this underwhelming. And 1.5 GBs is about what most of the rumors say so.

If Sony goes up to the 4gb of ram those specs would be good .
It might not seem that way to some people but when they see games it should change there minds.
If Sony can go higher that also great but i not expecting much more than that .

[Notrollious]

But that is the only thing that mater in a GAMING console. So if you think about it, its the perfect move.

You're not equating Graphics = gaming console right?

Yeah Intel is king but you probably wouldn't notice it at 1080p in a blind test. The kind of processor most need for gaming nowadays is really overblown.

Not necessarily. There are games taking advantage of Quad and Hexcore processors on the PC and it certainly shows.

[Cake Boss]

Stupid question coming up.

Why are the companies so hesitant to put more RAM like the devs want? Isn't RAM pretty cheap these days?

[Thunder Monkey]

Stupid question coming up. Why are the companies so hesitant to put more RAM like the devs want? Isn't RAM pretty cheap these days?

Both costs for lower latency RAM, and physical limitations.

You attach RAM directly to the board in console designs. The more chips you need, the more space you take up with only that.

[Notrollious]

Stupid question coming up. Why are the companies so hesitant to put more RAM like the devs want? Isn't RAM pretty cheap these days?

Because the RAM they use is not the same as the ram in your computer. Your computer uses DDR3 RAM, which is slower, but is cheaper. Game consoles, where speed is necessary, they use GDDR5, which is leaps and bounds faster, and is the same type of memory utilised in GPU's.

[MrCunningham]

Liverpool and Steamroller (just like Bulldozer) sound more like AMD code names than Sony ones. And yeah, it never says that the GPU is going to be a 7970...

The GPU is an ATI r10xx at 800MHz with 1843 GFLOPS, this is code-named "Tahiti." This chip is also include on AMD Radeon HD 7970, both chips (CPU and GPU) are 28nm processors.

[Durante]

Stupid question coming up. Why are the companies so hesitant to put more RAM like the devs want? Isn't RAM pretty cheap these days?

RAM is pretty cheap, even GDDR5. However, with current tech, you would need 16 chips for 4GB, which increases board complexity. On the other hand, since the consoles are expected to be out in late 2013, 4 GB should be doable by then with 8 chips.

[Clegg]

I imagine Sony fans looking like this whilst reading these rumours.

[Lonely1]

I can't vouch for the codename or the flash unfortunately, so everything other than that. :P

You vouch for a 7970!?

[Thunder Monkey]

RAM is pretty cheap, even GDDR5. However, with current tech, you would need 16 chips for 4GB, which increases board complexity. On the other hand, since the consoles are expected to be out in late 2013, 4 GB should be doable by then with 8 chips.

That's only if it's cheap enough to do so.

Any new tech does come with increased cost. If the costs outweigh the benefits they could still go with the lower maximum.

You vouch for a 7970!?

He couches for something with the same core underlying tech. Underclocked?

edit: That's supposed to say vouches.

[Durante]

You vouch for a 7970!?

He's vouching for an 1.8 TFlop AMD GPU. Which is not extraordinary.

That's only if it's cheap enough to do so. Any new tech does come with increased cost. If the costs outweigh the benefits they could still go with the lower maximum.

Well sure, if they want to cheap out. I can understand not going with 16 chips as a physical limitation. Not using 8 though is just weak.

[Felix Lighter]

Because the RAM they use is not the same as the ram in your computer. Your computer uses DDR3 RAM, which is slower, but is cheaper. Game consoles, where speed is necessary, they use GDDR5, which is leaps and bounds faster, and is the same type of memory utilised in GPU's.

Well, PCs use both. The actual 7970 has 3GB of GDDR5 ram on board.

[Paracelsus]

I imagine Sony fans looking like this whilst reading these rumours. [IMG]http://farm1.static.flickr.com/123/352840552_7a9a0a6ec7.jpg[IMG]

More like

[Notrollious]

Well, PCs use both. The actual 7970 has 3GB of GDDR5 ram on board.

Yes, but it was the assumption that the 4gb of RAM in your standard laptop is the same as the one in your GPU or the same in a game console, which is what I believe he was asking about.

[Thunder Monkey]

Well sure, if they want to cheap out. I can understand not going with 16 chips as a physical limitation. Not using 8 though is just weak.

You can't really say it would be cheaping out.

Even an increase of 25% on each chip could make the platform pricier than they intended.

[gatti-man]

A 7970 in a console? What a nice dream that woulf be...... make the console 699 to keep all the scrubs off of online mp like the days of launch ps3. Such sweet memories.

[bgassassin]

You vouch for a 7970!?

It's like Durante said. When the specs came out the only known 7000 series GPU was the Tahiti GPU and was used to describe it from what I remember. So it sounds like this came from the original target specs because now Pitcairn is available and is better comparison.

[Felix Lighter]

Yes, but it was the assumption that the 4gb of RAM in your standard laptop is the same as the one in your GPU or the same in a game console, which is what I believe he was asking about.

Yeah, you're right. I just wanted to clarify that PC GPUs require the same fast ram.

[Takuya]

Too many chips. Something like 16 RAM chips would be needed. That's a really complex board. A fuckton more bruteforce. But lacking in memory in comparison to Durango, but much much faster. I like more console oriented designs than what I've read of Durango.

The thing is, even if it is faster, the problem might not really be in the speed of the ram, but the quantity. In the end, are all the developers going to fine tune their games to maximize the efficiency of RAM usage or just stuff the channels?

[Thunder Monkey]

The thing is, even if it is faster, the problem might not really be in the speed of the ram, but the quantity. In the end, are all the developers going to fine tune their games to maximize the efficiency of RAM usage or just stuff the channels?

Then they should all just cheap out and go with DDR3 for maximum RAMMING.

[Durante]

You can't really say it would be cheaping out.

Oh but I can. 360 launched at 299 with 8 high-end (at the time) RAM chips. So unless they target a launch price below that (which I seriously doubt) I'll call anything less than 8 chips for unified RAM cheapening out.

[bgassassin]

Oh but I can. 360 launched at 299 with 8 high-end (at the time) RAM chips. So unless they target a launch price below that (which I seriously doubt) I'll call anything less than 8 chips for unified RAM cheapening out.

But that also caused supply constraints at launch.

[Thunder Monkey]

Oh but I can. 360 launched at 299 with 8 high-end (at the time) RAM chips. So unless they target a launch price below that (which I seriously doubt) I'll call anything less than 8 chips for unified RAM cheapening out.

And it cost MS $2 billion.

Does Sony have that to piss away?

[madmaxx350]

Then they should all just cheap out and go with DDR3 for maximum RAMMING.

Thunder Monkey
FIGS IN MY RECTUM
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[Chuck Norris]

No the real issue here is abandoning CELL. When for years we were being told CELL was the future of all things. And that CELL would be in everything from televisions to toasters.

Cell seems to be getting used in other electronics like smart TVs so its fulfilling that purpose

[Durante]

And it cost MS $2 billion. Does Sony have that to piss away?

I trust Sony engineers not to put their DVD drive where they need to cool their GPU. And either way, I don't see them targeting a 299 launch price.

[Thunder Monkey]

I trust Sony engineers not to put their DVD drive where they need to cool their GPU. And either way, I don't see them targeting a 299 launch price.

That was another $2 or $3 billion.

I'm talking just the RAM man.

[Thunder Monkey]

Or was that just a billion?

Either way I don't see Sony execs signing off on it unless they think it will really hurt them not to.

[AstroNut325]

599 US DOLLARS

And I'll pay it... day 1. F*** it. If it really is the 7970 then I'll give $699 for it! But I doubt it will be a 7970. The heat and power dissipation would wreck havoc on a small form factor console.

[Thoraxes]

599 US clams

Easily.

I mean like, that's at the very least a $450 GPU at the cheapest you can get one new.

[Infinite Justice]

were are the links to these latest next gen specs since a console with 8gb is blowing my mind right now

[Thunder Monkey]

were are the linksto these latest next gen specs since a console with 8gb is blowing my mind right now

8 gigs of DDR3.

The PS3, 360, and WiiU use GDDR3.

[Felix Lighter]

Then they should all just cheap out and go with DDR3 for maximum RAMMING.

Or a compromise. A split ram pool. As long as they don't skimp on either side, which is what hurt the PS3, I don't know why it wouldn't be the way to go. 1.5-2 GB of GDDR5 and 4GB of DDR 3 and I think they would be in good shape for a generation. I'd have to imagine developers are sick of dealing with the limited memory at this point. If there really is a huge discrepancy between MS's machine and Sony's, memory wise, it's going to cause issues for multiplatform developers again.