[Yagharek]

but what if: Wii U = Sega Saturn PS4 = Sega Saturn Xbox 3 = Sega Saturn ??! :D

Dreamcasts EVERYWHERE!

[Gahiggidy]

Here's a question to stir conversation:

How much would you pay to "borrow" a Wii U and one of the Demo games until it launches this Holiday? Which game demo would you want to play over the Summer and Fall?


*Note: You would not be allowed to do a tear-down on the hardware and you have to give it all back on the day it launches.

[D-e-f-]

Here's a question to stir conversation: How much would you pay to "borrow" a Wii U and one of the Demo games until it launches this Holiday? Which game demo would you want to play over the Summer and Fall? *Note: You would not be allowed to do a tear-down on the hardware and you have to give it all back on the day it launches.

I guess 20 bucks. That's about how much it would cost me usually to go to gamescom which Nintendo doesn't attend this year (thanks for nothing) to check out these games. I'd take NintendoLand (if for some magical reason all those were taken, I'd go with Game & Wario) because I'd get the most playtime out of that due to replay value and the ability to actually demo system features to people via multiplayer.

The other demos seemed way too short and repetitive in comparison even though I'd love to play Pikmin3, ZombiU and Project P-100 a lot more than N-Land and G&W.

[snowdog1971]

And that is why I ran with them. Now we have people saying these were very early spec but as you see he says they are the true specs. I still believe these are the specs of the system. then your setting yourself up for disappointment.

Meelow isn't too far off imo. That would make the 720 3 times more powerful than the U and the 720 being slightly more powerful than the PS4. Not too far off going by what's been leaked so far. All 3 consoles will be in the same sort of ballpark in terms of power, as they were last gen.

[Shin Johnpv]

but what if: Wii U = Sega Saturn PS4 = Sega Saturn Xbox 3 = Sega Saturn ??! :D

So then we'll get amazing 2D arcade ports? YES PLEASE!

[axisofweevils]

Question, who is still disappointed by Nintendo's E3?, I think everyone over reacted (including me) about they're conference, I still am madd about Nintendo's E3 but I am getting over it, I just hope Nintendo's Fall Conference gives us the E3 we wanted.

Still disappointed but I'm slowly coming to terms with the fact that E3 isn't as important as it used to be - example: Nintendo deliberately chose to announce the 3DS XL at Nintendo Direct instead.

I'm already on board the Hype Train for the August Nintendo Direct..

[DaSorcerer7]

So then we'll get amazing 2D arcade ports? YES PLEASE!

More amazing 2D games is always good. Hopes for more stuff like Trine 2:directors cut *drools*

[StreetsAhead]

Still disappointed but I'm slowly coming to terms with the fact that E3 isn't as important as it used to be - example: Nintendo deliberately chose to announce the 3DS XL at Nintendo Direct instead. I'm already on board the Hype Train for the August Nintendo Direct..

Animal Crossing 3DS release date for Japan! That's all I need!
And maybe a preview of the September event for Wii U??

[DjRoomba]

What If!!!
Xbox 720 = Xbox 720
Wii U = Wii U
Ps4= Ps4
And nobody makes these ridiculous bs comparisons...Yeah that'll never happen.

[z0m3le]

What If!!! Xbox 720 = Xbox 720 Wii U = Wii U Ps4= Ps4 And nobody makes these ridiculous bs comparisons...Yeah that'll never happen.

Nah, that sounds boring, how about this:

PS4 = AMD(cpu) gaming PC (AMD GPU)
Xbox 720 = Intel(cpu) gaming PC (AMD GPU)
Wii U = Gaming Laptop (AMD GPU)

a high end laptop gaming machine has a very similar comparison to a desktop gaming PC that we are starting to see with these consoles, also it's vague enough to be correct but still give everyone a good idea of the performance they are walking into.

[MadeInBeats]

Still disappointed but I'm slowly coming to terms with the fact that E3 isn't as important as it used to be - example: Nintendo deliberately chose to announce the 3DS XL at Nintendo Direct instead. I'm already on board the Hype Train for the August Nintendo Direct..

Yeah, the message couldn't be any clearer. As far as Nintendo & core fan exectations goes, FORGET about E3 from now on. It would be nice for everyone to just let the whole E3 2012 thing go now, except it for what it was and move on.

[Hoodbury]

Just a couple random thoughts/questions.

1. ZombiU - How much of the full game was the demo portraying? We saw the same demo now quite a few times, going into the palace and then into the nursery and some basement area. But how much of the full game is that?
- Will B. Palace be the full game, or will all of London?
- Is it split into levels and this was just 1 level? And if you beat a level and move on to the next and then you die, do you respawn at the beginning of the game or at the beginning of each level?
- How much of multiplayer have we seen? Just a tiny portion, or is there just the one CTF mode?

2. I was watching a youtube video of someone's experience at the Wii-U thing in NYC and they showed a nice closeup of the console and it looked a lot bigger than other screenshots I've seen. It was a Gamefaqs user video, can I link it here? But ya, it looked a lot bigger than the Wii and really surprised me at it's size.

[chris3116]

Question, who is still disappointed by Nintendo's E3?, I think everyone over reacted (including me) about they're conference, I still am madd about Nintendo's E3 but I am getting over it, I just hope Nintendo's Fall Conference gives us the E3 we wanted.

I'm not really disappointed now. E3 is now for mainstream press and you can see that when Microsoft is about Kinect and shooters and Sony is about Wonderbook (or whatever it's called). It will not be different when all the next-gen consoles will be released.

Nintendo made the right choice of doing their own things with the Nintendo directs. It's simple, low cost in production (all you need is a camera and the script that you read) and goes to the point of what you want to announce.

[ElTopo]

I'm not really disappointed now. E3 is now for mainstream press and you can see that when Microsoft is about Kinect and shooters and Sony is about Wonderbook (or whatever it's called). It will not be different when all the next-gen consoles will be released. Nintendo made the right choice of doing their own things with the Nintendo directs. It's simple, low cost in production (all you need is a camera and the script that you read) and goes to the point of what you want to announce.

It lacks the big time feeling though, which is probably what I'll miss most about E3.

[blu]

Nintendo made the right choice of doing their own things with the Nintendo directs. It's simple, low cost in production (all you need is a camera and the script that you read) and goes to the point of what you want to announce.

Won't somebody think of the boothbabes!

[Drago]

The thing I love most about the Nintendo Directs is how short notice they are. Makes waiting a lot more bearable!

I do hate how Japan always has the best show, but that's to be expected :/

[DaSorcerer7]

Won't somebody think of the boothbabes!

Nothing stoppin Iwata from adding some babes to the N-directs :D

[D-e-f-]

Just a couple random thoughts/questions. 1. ZombiU - How much of the full game was the demo portraying? We saw the same demo now quite a few times, going into the palace and then into the nursery and some basement area. But how much of the full game is that? - Will B. Palace be the full game, or will all of London? - Is it split into levels and this was just 1 level? And if you beat a level and move on to the next and then you die, do you respawn at the beginning of the game or at the beginning of each level? - How much of multiplayer have we seen? Just a tiny portion, or is there just the one CTF mode?

1. that was obviously a tiny snippet - you've seen ONE "quest" basically. your mission giver dude sends you out on missions to get things or do stuff from a basecamp, that's where every character wakes up at. I'll expect that you'll establish multiple home bases during the game but they haven't clearly said whether or not you'll be able or asked or rewarded for backtracking into earlier areas. We saw a tiny portion of one of those areas that showed off a fetch quest and what you might call a mini-boss fight. You will, however, always respawn at the base camp in a persistent world so whatever you've achieved is still there and all you need to do is get your gear back or get new gear. They said there are multiple (2?) people giving missions to the survivors and they might be at odds with each other so you might splinter into two different scenarios at some point if I got that right.

They did say, if I'm not mistaken that the game is not open world like GTA but that are these big areas that you're questing in or something. Not too sure about that, though.

I highly doubt that the CTF/horde mode hybrid is all there is to the multiplayer.

[MadeInBeats]

Won't somebody think of the boothbabes!

John Harker seen some at GDC Behind The Scenes apparently.

[Meelow]

What If!!! Xbox 720 = Xbox 720 Wii U = Wii U Ps4= Ps4 And nobody makes these ridiculous bs comparisons...Yeah that'll never happen.

That's just wrong.

It's

Wii U = Atari 2600
PS4 = Atari 2600
Xbox 720 = Atari 2600

I'm not really disappointed now. E3 is now for mainstream press and you can see that when Microsoft is about Kinect and shooters and Sony is about Wonderbook (or whatever it's called). It will not be different when all the next-gen consoles will be released. Nintendo made the right choice of doing their own things with the Nintendo directs. It's simple, low cost in production (all you need is a camera and the script that you read) and goes to the point of what you want to announce.

Yeah, I am going to miss E3 and will of course watch every year, the other positive thing about E3 is you get to see people's reaction at they're conferences which is fun.

[blu]

John Harker seen some at GDC Behind The Scenes apparently.

Oh. Behind-the-scenes boothbabes. Don't get me started on that subject.

[Earendil]

Something to do with IRC. Got into a heated debate. Things happened.

How is this possible?

Oh. Behind-the-scenes boothbabes. Don't get me started on that subject.

Strippers? lol

[AntMurda]

At this point (just going by Youtube videos and such - I haven't played it), it seems like more of a Wii Play type of product than Wii Sports. Wii Play was a $10 game that was used to help sell the controllers. If NintendoLand is the same type of product, then I could see it being included with the system as a way of helping sell the concept of the U-Pad to new owners. Until they can get the price of the pad down significantly, they don't really have any interest in selling extra pads to people - so NintendoLand doesn't make sense as a Wii-Play type of retail product. But all the tie-ins to other Nintendo brands (Donkey Kong, Luigi's Mansion, Zelda, etc.) may encourage them to try to sell it as a standalone retail product. Hard to say at this point.

It has stronger brand power than just about any other Nintendo game bar Smash Brothers and the big Mario games (and Pokemon). It is a Nintendo-All Star game with about 5 times the production value of any "Wii" line series. People are just desperate to connect the game to "Wii Play" or "Wii Sports". It is only similar in being a new innovative product with streamlined smaller games, but dissimilar in every other way. Much stronger brand recognition, much bigger budget and production value, much deeper game. It is absolutely a $50-$60 dollar product.

The argument of "ohh its just a cheap mini game" should be a free pack in. Nintendo just sold Mario Party 9 for $50.00. And guess what, its selling extremely well.

[cand]

Hi guys, I'm new here and I've been reading you since WUST3 (stalker XD). Let me tell you all something: thanks for making my pre-E3 awesome. SRSLY. OK, Nintendo Conference was meh, IMO more because the order they showed the games and the infinite time they spent on Wii Fit U and Nintendoland, but reading all your theories and jokes was really fun.

So I was thinking, with all that closing studios fever, maybe making games for the next generation end up being REALLY expensive, and maybe Wii U could be a good place for the studios to explore better and cheaper options. I mean , I'm not a spec freak so I really don't care about how Crysis 2 PC looks superior. And to be honest, I chose Mario Galaxy over Skyrim (that I really like) or another PC graphics juggernaut any time.

I really hope that by cheap they don't understand bad minigame collections, but games that don't need all the particles CPU-God and GPU-Jesus can provide. Maybe they could use Wii U to test new IP's. That would be great, you know. I think Nintendo it's the only company that has the gift to mantain their IP's fresh, it's never the same game (even the new super mario series have their slice of freshness) but would be nice to see a bunch of games without a number above 2 in the title that aren't reboots.

Well to finish this awfully written ass kissing post (I'm brazilian, sorry , my english sux) can you all please wish with all your hearts that somehow a miracle will happen and we will see a banjo kazooie oldschool game in the nintendo plataforms again someday? Srsly guys T_T

[Hoodbury]

The thing I learned about e3 is that it is not worthy of taking a vacation day anymore. Granted this year I was out of town during the weekend before so it was still nice to take 2 extra days off to make it a long weekend; but the presentations were not something I will take vacation for in the future.

Everything is recorded and posted everywhere anyway, no reason to really watch it live.

I'm over my disappointment of Nintendo's e3 now but I still think it wasn't a very good show based on what they have coming out soon.

Coming from only having a Wii this generation, I am so ready to start playing in HD. So I know I'll be blown away once I get my hands on it. Bring it.

[ASIS]

What If!!! Xbox 720 = Xbox 720 Wii U = Wii U Ps4= Ps4 And nobody makes these ridiculous bs comparisons...Yeah that'll never happen.

They are not ridiculous at all. You may not have noticed but not all of us are tech savvys that know the ways these consoles operate. Personally, I used these comparisons to get an approximation about the next generation consoles in terms o power, performance, and support. Yes, they don't give an accurate description, and the architecture is very different than what it was before, but it's better than nothing.

[EuroMIX]

Nothing stoppin Iwata from adding some babes to the N-directs :D

Now I can't help but imagine him like a pimp with two scantly dressed ladies on either arm giving come hither eyes to the camera. xD

[Hoodbury]

Now I can't help but imagine him like a pimp with two scantly dressed ladies on either arm giving come hither eyes to the camera. xD

I'm picturing the banana scene; only it isn't a banana he's holding/looking at.

[HylianTom]

The thing I learned about e3 is that it is not worthy of taking a vacation day anymore. Granted this year I was out of town during the weekend before so it was still nice to take 2 extra days off to make it a long weekend; but the presentations were not something I will take vacation for in the future.

I'm glad that I didn't give-in to the temptation to take the whole week off; that would've annoyed me more than anything else.

I think from now on, I'll only be taking Nintendo's conference day off. Saving my vacation days for actual gaming marathons seems like a much more solid option.

[Fabrik]

What If!!! Xbox 720 = Xbox 720 Wii U = Wii U Ps4= Ps4 And nobody makes these ridiculous bs comparisons...Yeah that'll never happen.

Personally I was talking in terms of sales.

[Hoodbury]

Saving my vacation days for actual gaming marathons seems like a much more solid option.

For sure. Definitely planning on taking a week or so off when the Wii-U is actually released.

Baby will still go to daycare, wife will still go to work. I'll have the whole day's to myself for glorious gaming.

[chris3116]

That's just wrong. It's Wii U = Atari 2600 PS4 = Atari 2600 Xbox 720 = Atari 2600

LOL

It's more like

Wii U = Magnavox Odyssey
PS4 = Intellivison
Xbox 720 = Coleco

[HylianTom]

For sure. Definitely planning on taking a week or so off when the Wii-U is actually released. Baby will still go to daycare, wife will still go to work. I'll have the whole day's to myself for glorious gaming.

"Glorious" is a good word for it. I'll be taking my usual Nintendo Launch Week vacation as well, with no one at home but me. Already looking forward to it!

[MadeInBeats]

Bandai Smash Bros teaser site with 3 days count down:

http://www.bandaigames.channel.or.jp/list/newtitle/

[D-e-f-]

Bandai Smash Bros teaser site with 3 days count down: http://www.bandaigames.channel.or.jp/list/newtitle/

nothing suggests that this relates to Smash Bros.

plus I doubt that the Bandai site would roll that out when Namco bandai studios is only co-developing. It's still a Nintendo game.

notice the ©2012 NBGI

no smash bros news.

[Heavy]

Hey Cyber, i used to love you, don't let your disappointment of this E3 makes you bitter. And i assume 200% the post you linked (which is just a summary of tons of messages where i tried to present/illustrate an estimation of the Wii U power, considering its asymmetric screen setting). This capabilities estimation, which has been my very first post in GAF and that i detailed further in the following speculation threads with the ongoing conversations, is TOTALLY a part of all the info i relayed here that has been proved right for the most part (or are waiting for further announcements) as you can see in this track record list. Now, as explained many times, if what we saw, mostly, at E3 don't convey a positive impression of the Wii U power, it's because of the choice of games shown, not the hardware itself.

I still don't believe this guy is legit. Everything he posted in his "track record list" is vague stuff that we could have all safely predicted, nothing major, nothing very specific yet still major. Just a bunch of random fluff anyone of us could have done.

Also, remember this thread he made? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=475981

Tell me that that's not one of the weirdest threads you've seen here. An OT-like thread about one of his rumors, with image headers to boot. When have you ever seen a leaker do something like that and try to get all this attention on him? There's even a Q&A section in there about him and who he is. Who does that? He tries very hard to prove that he is legit, which isn't something real leakers do or even care about.

That thread kind of gave it away for me. If you've been on the Internet long enough you can tell when people are BS'ing. For example, people who lie about being rich or ones that pose as females but are really guys. After being exposed to this stuff for so long your BS radar levels up to god-tier status and you can spot out BS from miles away. This is just how I feel -- I'm not saying this because everything he posts is positive for the Wii U, I don't care either way. I'm just not a fan of fakes online and I don't believe this guy yet.

[brainpann]

Bandai Smash Bros teaser site with 3 days count down: http://www.bandaigames.channel.or.jp/list/newtitle/

Whoa! That's unexpected. I wonder what they are gonna show exactly? Maybe Nintendo has been trolling us all along and Smash Bros is further along in development than they let on.



pffftt...yeah right. XD

[DaSorcerer7]

"Glorious" is a good word for it. I'll be taking my usual Nintendo Launch Week vacation as well, with no one at home but me. Already looking forward to it!

We're going to take the WUST to da miiverse!

[Meelow]

Smash Bros Wii U Probably Won’t Feature More Characters

“It isn’t a matter of ‘if the next game has 50 characters, that’ll be enough.’ There is a certain charm to games that have huge casts of playable characters, but they tend to have issues with game balance and it becomes very difficult to fine-tune each character and have them all feel distinctive. “In terms of quantity, we’ve probably already reached the limit of what’s feasible. I think a change of direction may be what’s needed.”

[MadeInBeats]

nothing suggests that this relates to Smash Bros. plus I doubt that the Bandai site would roll that out when Namco bandai studios is only co-developing. It's still a Nintendo game. notice the ©2012 NBGI no smash bros news.

It's Bandai Namco and has the strap-line 'All Star Battle'.

Whoa! That's unexpected. I wonder what they are gonna show exactly? Maybe Nintendo has been trolling us all along and Smash Bros is further along in development than they let on.

Probably not much... a few concept graphics if you're lucky, most certainly no footage because from what we know it's only just entered the planing stage.

[BlackJace]

Bandai Smash Bros teaser site with 3 days count down: http://www.bandaigames.channel.or.jp/list/newtitle/

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw yeah!

[brainpann]

nothing suggests that this relates to Smash Bros. plus I doubt that the Bandai site would roll that out when Namco bandai studios is only co-developing. It's still a Nintendo game. notice the ©2012 NBGI no smash bros news.

I think it would be at odds for Namco to be developing their own "All Star Battle" game while co-developing Smash Bros with Nintendo but I guess we will find out in a few days.

[Bamstrokher]

I still don't believe this guy is legit. Everything he posted in his "track record list" is vague stuff that we could have all safely predicted, nothing major, nothing very specific yet still major. Just a bunch of random fluff anyone of us could have done. Also, remember this thread he made? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=475981 Tell me that that's not one of the weirdest threads you've seen here. An OT-like thread about one of his rumors, with image headers to boot. When have you ever seen a leaker do something like that and try to get all this attention on him? There's even a Q&A section in there about him and who he is. Who does that? He tries very hard to prove that he is legit, which isn't something real leakers do or even care about. That thread kind of gave it away for me. If you've been on the Internet long enough you can tell when people are BS'ing. For example, people who lie about being rich or ones that pose as females but are really guys. After being exposed to this stuff for so long your BS radar levels up to god-tier status and you can spot out BS from miles away. This is just how I feel -- I'm not saying this because everything he posts is positive for the Wii U, I don't care either way. I'm just not a fan of fakes online and I don't believe this guy yet.

That's not a very cool post. It offers nothing helpful to any discussion anywhere. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

[DrWong]

I still don't believe this guy is legit. Everything he posted in his "track record list" is vague stuff that we could have all safely predicted, nothing major, nothing very specific yet still major. Just a bunch of random fluff anyone of us could have done. Also, remember this thread he made? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=475981 Tell me that that's not one of the weirdest threads you've seen here. An OT-like thread about one of his rumors, with image headers to boot. When have you ever seen a leaker do something like that and try to get all this attention on him? There's even a Q&A section in there about him and who he is. Who does that? He tries very hard to prove that he is legit, which isn't something real leakers do or even care about. That thread kind of gave it away for me. If you've been on the Internet long enough you can tell when people are BS'ing. For example, people who lie about being rich or ones that pose as females but are really guys. After being exposed to this stuff for so long your BS radar levels up to god-tier status and you can spot out BS from miles away. This is just how I feel -- I'm not saying this because everything he posts is positive for the Wii U, I don't care either way. I'm just not a fan of fakes online and I don't believe this guy yet.

You're late : /

Just this (and the RAM discussion) proves he'd some legit info >

Flash storage with 512MB for the OS and 8GB for the rest, on separated flash chips, confirmed by the released target specs a few weeks later

[Donnie]

That thread kind of gave it away for me. If you've been on the Internet long enough you can tell when people are BS'ing. For example, people who lie about being rich or ones that pose as females but are really guys. After being exposed to this stuff for so long your BS radar levels up to god-tier status and you can spot out BS from miles away. This is just how I feel -- I'm not saying this because everything he posts is positive for the Wii U, I don't care either way. I'm just not a fan of fakes online and I don't believe this guy yet.

My BS radar just exploded.

[darthdago]

Hi everyone!!
Seems that there is nothing really new to speculate about.....

Then I'll have to speculate a bit myself and let my "sick brain" do the stuff!!

While browsing the internet about Wii U news and following NintendoGAF all the time I was wondering about...

...what if Nintendo cheated all??

What if all the "rumors" about weak hardware are not true and only there cos Nintendo leaves even the developers in the dark?

-> what I mean with that is: yeah maybe they all have final devkits but not everything is "unlocked" by now.

Maybe only a handful (or less) devs know about the full potential of the Wii U.

More and more I came to speculate about this cos in the spec list there AMD themselt referred to the GPU as GPU7 and in a fact sheet of their homepage there:
GPU-7: How to configure multiple monitors when using ATI CrossFireX technology

I have posted the link to the page some pages before.

So maybe they are using 2 GPUs or even a 4 or 8 core CPU, maybe they will unlock it later (sooner to release).
-> I know now all the NAY sayers will come with the only reason they have from day one "The case is to small aka to much heat"

Why is that, we are talking about Nintendo here, over the decades they have shown how to put good hardware in small boxes.

(IMO Nintendo is longtime useing the MAC design philosophy, small - powerful - less cables and not the PC design philosophy where all is a bit bigger and you have a jungle of cables if you open the tower....)

All what is happening till last years E3 is looking like marketing/business "s**t" to me, like oh lets test the pricepoint e.g. 400,– at Amazon first, now 350,– (Euros)
Then the talk from Mark Rein about the Wii U and referring to it as a powerful machine...(I even looked at the calendar that time to make sure its no Aprils fool)
Mark Rein was even the one who stated that UE4 is not denied for WiiU its only confirmed for PC by now, he was the one saying first UE4 game will come 2012 (or be revealed? - think it was released)
(BTW: last released EPIC games in 02/2011 and 11/2011 written on their HP)

So putting all that together, maybe Wii U will be way more powerful than some of us thought and maybe EPIC will release a UE4 game for WiiUs release - that would be IMO beside GTAV the only best way to convince core gamers about the console.


I'm sorry if I confuse some of you but there are so many things running through my head and since thats a speculation thread...

[EatChildren]

The Wii U is not using two GPUs. The Wii U does not have hidden power that Nintendo has kept secret, for no good reason, from developers. It is what it is.

[darthdago]

The Wii U is not using two GPUs. The Wii U does not have hidden power that Nintendo has kept secret, for no good reason, from developers. It is what it is.

...dont missunderstand me. I'm perfectly ok with Wii U as it is said to be.

I only speculated about it a bit...

AND Nintendo did that before (hide things) with the 3DS...so why not now?

[Heavy]

You're late : / Just this (and the RAM discussion) proves he'd some legit info >

That doesn't seem like a very significant piece of info, but OK let's give him that. I don't see much of anything else we couldn't have 'predicted' ourselves. Also, what about the thread I linked? Don't you feel that was REALLY odd?

My BS radar just exploded.

I wish the Wii U were more powerful but I'm still interested in it, otherwise I wouldn't be lurking this thread (I rarely post in it but I read it). More than anything I'm skeptical about the use of the U-pad. I'd be fine with it being underpowered if the pad brought something awesome to gaming. I've yet to see really innovative uses for it that would add a lot to gameplay. This lead up and hype about it reminds me a lot of the Wii-mote when everyone was talking about all these incredible possibilities before it launched... fast-forward 6 years and well, yeah. Fool me once, etc. Once I see stuff that blows us away, I'll be more positive about the system. Not gonna blindly love it.

[Donnie]

That doesn't seem like a very significant piece of info, but OK let's give him that. I don't see much of anything else we couldn't have 'predicted' ourselves. Also, what about the thread I linked? Don't you feel that was REALLY odd? I wish the Wii U were more powerful but I'm still interested in it, otherwise I wouldn't be lurking this thread (I rarely post in it but I read it). More than anything I'm skeptical about the use of the U-pad. I'd be fine with it being underpowered if the pad brought something awesome to gaming. I've yet to see really innovative uses for it that would add a lot to gameplay. This lead up and hype about it reminds me a lot of the Wii-mote when everyone was talking about all these incredible possibilities before it launched... fast-forward 6 years and well, yeah. Fool me once, etc. Once I see stuff that blows us away, I'll be more positive about the system. Not gonna blindly love it.

You're hear to be negative, that's my opinion. Not specifically because you have a problem with Ideaman, but because I don't recall you ever having a positive view on this topic. That's fine if that's what floats your boat, just don't pretend you don't care either way.