[Fourth Storm]

I don't even understand how Mario isn't hardcore. How many people really clear all the content?

I know I haven't gotten all the coins in NSMBWii.

I already own a PC, zombies aren't really my thing and 2D Mario is nice but not really hardcore. Hats off to Nintendo, they've somehow managed to completely turn me off on this system for the next little while. /no F-Zero @ E3 rant

I hate to say it, but you shouldn't have gotten your hopes up. Actually expecting a new F-Zero at E3 was just another instance of the Neogaf echo chamber effect. There was nothing pointing at F-Zero being a launch title. I don't think the series is done for good, though. I believe there were some comments by Miyamoto that they were considering making a new one, but that doesn't translate to ready and raring to go for launch. I think it might arrive mid-cycle, ala X and GX.

But hey, we can all be wrong. I had a strong feeling that Wave Race would be a launch title. What the heck are Monster Games and NST up to anyway?

[Bamstrokher]

GDDR3 is also based on DDR2 and if I understand correctly (I'm a software guy, not hardware) has lower bandwidth than DDR3 since DDR3 has a 64bit interface. But as I said, I'm not a hardware guy, so that could be total crap. This depends on who's definition of hardcore you use. If you mean the classic definition used before this gen, then yes Mario is hardcore. But if you go by the current definition of hardcore, Mario would not classify unless he had a gun and Peach was naked. This is yet another instance of cognitive bias. People want to assume that Wii U is a current generation system, so when they see statements like this, there is only one logical conclusion in their minds.

This.

[DeviousAngel]

I agree. I wonder what those 6 platforms are? 1. Wii-U 2. PS4 3. Xbox720 4. PC 5. Mac? 6. Mobile?

I agree we'll probably get PS4, Xbox720 and WiiU versions. If true, then it will be interesting to see how the WiiU fares in comparison to the other two. It may give us an idea about what to expect from next generation multi-plat titles.

[Earendil]

I am going to keep pretty quiet for a while. I don't want to get to invested in this and mouth off and get banned. It is like an overwhelming tidal wave you can't fight through. I was on a Navy ship that went straight through a hurricane in the Atlantic ocean and it was easier than fighting against this.

That's why many people have recommended we noobs stay in this thread until we get our feet wet. And perhaps forever after as well. It's too easy to get caught up in the arguments and it's not worth the consequences.

[Penguin]

So no one else is going to be at the NYC event this weekend? I can't be the only east coast gaffer Nintendo invited to it.

I'm going tomorrow at 3

[AlStrong]

Because Nintendo uses fast RAM, and GDDR3 was present even in Wii. DDR3 is shit for gaming purposes.

Keep in mind that GDDR3 tops out at 1Gbit density. I'm not sure exactly why you consider GDDR3 better for gaming when GDDR3 and DDR3 can both provide similar theoretical data transfer rates.

i.e. 128-bit bus
700-1300MHz GDDR3 -> 22.4GB/s - 41.6GB/s
800-2500MHz DDR3 -> 12.8GB/s - 40GB/s

With that in mind, you ought to have some concern for power consumption, cost, and the chip density as they are basically in the same ballpark for bandwidth (although most DDR3 is 1333-1866, I wouldn't expect them to use top rated GDDR3 anyway for power reasons). Simply, "because Nintendo" doesn't really help.

Anyways, the eDRAM should take up most of the bandwidth requirements. It'll be even better if the eDRAM is used for texture operations as well as handling everything the MoSys cache did in Wii and Gamecube (24MB 1T-SRAM).

At the time, their only options were DDR2 and GDDR3 anyway, and GDDR3 was superior in every aspect to the aging DDR2 spec, so it's no wonder it was used in 2006.

[schuelma]

I'm glad there will be EA Sports support at launch. Its nothing groundbreaking or a huge positive sign for future support, but its a hell of a lot better than being the first system since Dreamcast to see no launch support.

Honestly, good Japanese support and non-gimped FIFA is enough for me 3rd party wise.

[D-e-f-]

about that "true next gen" comment: you can just as well read that as clarifying that they're not still referring to PS3/360 as "next gen" like so many people have been doing at least until last year.

[Hakai]

about that "true next gen" comment: you can just as well read that as clarifying that they're not still referring to PS3/360 as "next gen" like so many people have been doing at least until last year.

I don't know! You see, the problem here is why they need to use TRUE Next-gen? Is like a buzz word you know? I mean maybe he is not excluding Wii U, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. Not because I think Wii U is not next gen( because for obvious reasons he is), but is one of those things like "it's for the hardcorez!!" kinda thing.

[D-e-f-]

So, how are people feeling about Lego City Undercover?

I was a little disappointed that the showfloor videos seemed to show a lot of graphical glitches (pop in, draw distance issues, frame rate). You guys think that's the reason the game is hardly shown off as opposed to the other first party stuff?

I really really hope this turns out good. It would be my first Lego game so I'm free from any baggage :)

[Earendil]

I don't know! You see, the problem here is why they need to use TRUE Next-gen? Is like a buzz word you know? I mean maybe he is not excluding Wii U, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. Not because I think Wii U is not next gen( because for obvious reasons he is), but is one of those things like "it's for the hardcorez!!" kinda thing.

Trying to infer anything into that statement one way or the other is pointless without a clarification from the person who said it. It really could be taken either way and will be by people on both sides of the argument.

[Hakai]

Trying to infer anything into that statement one way or the other is pointless without a clarification from the person who said it. It really could be taken either way and will be by people on both sides of the argument.

I totally agree with you sir.

[D-e-f-]

I was just watching this new high-quality off-screen footage of Pikmin 3 and noticed that they are handling the throwing animation kinda funky. Instead of each guy running up behind the leader in turn to get thrown, the next one just magically teleports into his hands. It looks kinda bad when they are 6+ inches away and just pop in and out of the scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSutm...1&feature=plcp IN the old games you had to wait a few tenths-of-a-second for the next pikmin to run up behind before you could throw him (thus the invention of the "c-stick" trick to throw faster). I can understand wanting to make it immediate, but I think it kills the charm of seeing the little creatures run over to Olimar to take their turn to be tossed. ---- edit. I think I spotted a glitch. At 1:42 a pikmin inexplicably runs in the opposite direction of the group then 8 seconds later runs back into the scene to join up with the group. It was kinda funny, as I was thinking "where is that guy headed to?" The Pikmin AI have never wandered on their own unless they were carrying loot or chasing a bug that popped up out of the ground. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSutm...bP_ktXg#t=100s

It does look very odd. I would assume though that this is something that gets added during the polish phase. Little animations like this. It just looks too noticeably weird to have it be like this in the final product.

[MDX]

about that "true next gen" comment: you can just as well read that as clarifying that they're not still referring to PS3/360 as "next gen" like so many people have been doing at least until last year.

ding ding ding

right answer

[Glorified G]

I am going to keep pretty quiet for a while. I don't want to get to invested in this and mouth off and get banned. It is like an overwhelming tidal wave you can't fight through. I was on a Navy ship that went straight through a hurricane in the Atlantic ocean and it was easier than fighting against this.

mel·o·dra·mat·ic/ˌmelədrəˈmatik/ Adjective: Of or relating to melodrama. Characteristic of melodrama, esp. in being exaggerated, sensationalized, or overemotional.

You take this shit way too seriously.

[FallingSputnik]

So, how are people feeling about Lego City Undercover? I was a little disappointed that the showfloor videos seemed to show a lot of graphical glitches (pop in, draw distance issues, frame rate). You guys think that's the reason the game is hardly shown off as opposed to the other first party stuff? I really really hope this turns out good. It would be my first Lego game so I'm free from any baggage :)

First, I want to say, hi everyone! My account has finally been approved and I can now post! It's been a blast reading all these Wii U speculation threads over the past few months, and am honored that I can finally contribute.

That being said, I wasn't sure what to think about Lego City Undercover when it was first announced, but after E3 this year, I feel like I can really get behind the game. I've never really played any of the Lego games, but I'm actually interested in this one. I thought it looked stunning despite some of the glitches that have been discussed. I'm looking forward to seeing the final product whether or not I purchase the game.

[Ryoku]

Keep in mind that GDDR3 tops out at 1Gbit density. I'm not sure exactly why you consider GDDR3 better for gaming when GDDR3 and DDR3 can both provide similar theoretical data transfer rates. i.e. 128-bit bus 700-1300MHz GDDR3 -> 22.4GB/s - 41.6GB/s 800-2500MHz DDR3 -> 12.8GB/s - 40GB/s With that in mind, you ought to have some concern for power consumption, cost, and the chip density as they are basically in the same ballpark for bandwidth (although most DDR3 is 1333-1866, I wouldn't expect them to use top rated GDDR3 anyway for power reasons). Simply, "because Nintendo" doesn't really help. Anyways, the eDRAM should take up most of the bandwidth requirements. It'll be even better if the eDRAM is used for texture operations as well as handling everything the MoSys cache did in Wii and Gamecube (24MB 1T-SRAM). At the time, their only options were DDR2 and GDDR3 anyway, and GDDR3 was superior in every aspect to the aging DDR2 spec, so it's no wonder it was used in 2006.

I completely forgot about the eDRAM ._.
Thanks for the clarification.

[Gahiggidy]

So no one else is going to be at the NYC event this weekend? I can't be the only east coast gaffer Nintendo invited to it.

Hey Shin Johnpv,

If its an available option play, can you try out the Gamepad controls for Pikmin 3? Also, find out if the wiimote controls are using the IR or the motion+ for the cursor. (Test it by covering up the IR window on the wiimote.)

And if you happen to see a power brick out in the open, try and get a shot of its voltage ratings on the underside.

[Fourth Storm]

So, how are people feeling about Lego City Undercover? I was a little disappointed that the showfloor videos seemed to show a lot of graphical glitches (pop in, draw distance issues, frame rate). You guys think that's the reason the game is hardly shown off as opposed to the other first party stuff? I really really hope this turns out good. It would be my first Lego game so I'm free from any baggage :)

I'm excited for it as it looks like alot of fun. Level building w/ the touch screen should be awesome, that is if they include it. The screen tearing and stuff was disappointing, but there's still time to iron that out before the holidays.

[Redford]

It's getting crowded in here.

[Gahiggidy]

Would it be fair to compare the graphics of Lego City: Undercover to Lego Batman 2 on Xbox 360?

----

One thing that impresses me with Undercover is that the writing and production looks to be very good. There were some funny lines in the trailer and the voice work sounds great. I hope the music is quality stuff too.

[Dreamwriter]

I don't even understand how Mario isn't hardcore. How many people really clear all the content?

Nobody I know classifies a hardcore gaming as collecting every little thing possible in a game. That's a different category entirely, completionists. There are plenty of hardcore gamers who never got every energy tank in Metroid, every blue coin in Mario Sunshine, all quests in Final Fantasy 10, finished every last quest in Oblivion/Skyrim. I'm one of them, I don't play games to finish every last thing possible in a game.

In fact I found Mario Galaxy boring because of that - it was too easy, the game was designed so that the only real challenge lay in getting every single thing. Until you beat the game, it was just a boring grind to me.

[D-e-f-]

It's getting crowded in here.

yea they really opened the floodgates to all of us who registered in the first half of the year it seems :)

Would it be fair to compare the graphics of Lego City: Undercover to Lego Batman 2 on Xbox 360?.

hmm don't know since Lego Batman 2 doesn't have a "real" open-world and in comparison it's very dark compared to the bright daylight scenes we've seen from Undercover

[Earendil]

So, how are people feeling about Lego City Undercover? I was a little disappointed that the showfloor videos seemed to show a lot of graphical glitches (pop in, draw distance issues, frame rate). You guys think that's the reason the game is hardly shown off as opposed to the other first party stuff? I really really hope this turns out good. It would be my first Lego game so I'm free from any baggage :)

I'm looking forward to it, but I'd still like some more details. If I were able to get a Wii U at launch I would definitely pick it up. But I'll likely have to wait until next summer, so it will depend on how available it still is at that point.

[blu]

ding ding ding right answer

Bullshit. The knee-jerk 'lol nintendo' response is always the correct one. Sometimes 'this fucking company never learns' works too.

[FallingSputnik]

yea they really opened the floodgates to all of us who registered in the first half of the year it seems :) hmm don't know since Lego Batman 2 doesn't have a "real" open-world and in comparison it's very dark compared to the bright daylight scenes we've seen from Undercover

I think so too, though I've been trying to be a member of GAF for years. I was extremely pleased that it only took about 8 months to get posting privileges on my University e-mail. Back on topic, I was actually quite impressed with Undercover, even graphics wise. I don't know how power demanding the game is, but I was really impressed with how fluid some of the game play looked.

[Ala Alba]

This depends on who's definition of hardcore you use. If you mean the classic definition used before this gen, then yes Mario is hardcore. But if you go by the current definition of hardcore, Mario would not classify unless he had a gun and Peach was naked.

So "hardcore" is the new "mature"?

[Glorified G]

I think so too, though I've been trying to be a member of GAF for years. I was extremely pleased that it only took about 8 months to get posting privileges on my University e-mail. Back on topic, I was actually quite impressed with Undercover, even graphics wise. I don't know how power demanding the game is, but I was really impressed with how fluid some of the game play looked.

Which parts were that? The framerate was horrible, and the screen tearing was obvious. I was surprised they showed it in that condition. They still have time to fix it, but damn, I had the exact opposite impression that you did.

[FallingSputnik]

Which parts were that? The framerate was horrible, and the screen tearing was obvious. I was surprised they showed it in that condition. They still have time to fix it, but damn, I had the exact opposite impression that you did.

I know what you mean, some of the footage I saw did have some screen tearing, but if you ask me, the game was running a bit inconsistently, and while some areas were horrible to look at, some were very satisfying. I guess the optimist in me is hoping the remaining part of its development is spent tweaking and optimizing the game so that it runs smoothly overall.

[Shin Johnpv]

Jealous. Edit: If ypu can, please test out all the moves with the Gamepad's buttons in NSMBU. I want 100% confirmation that a person doesn't have to shake the Gamepad to take advantage of secondary abilities on power ups (like double-hover with the Squirrel Suit ect).

Will try to do, don't know what to expect fully, but if I can I'll find out that info for you.

I'm going tomorrow at 3

Awesomeness!

Hey Shin Johnpv, If its an available option play, can you try out the Gamepad controls for Pikmin 3? Also, find out if the wiimote controls are using the IR or the motion+ for the cursor. (Test it by covering up the IR window on the wiimote.) And if you happen to see a power brick out in the open, try and get a shot of its voltage ratings on the underside.

I'll try to find that stuff out.

[jmizzal]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=480409 I predict trouble

That true next-gen could be that some people were still calling 360 and PS3 next gen recently, not until WiiU got announced and the PS4/720 rumors started had that really stopped.

I doubt that is a shot at WiiU

Good Nintendo fall event is coming in Sept and EA Sports line up is next month, so news will be flowing.

[canvee]

Hey guys! Had no idea this thread even existed. I thought everyone must of committed mass Seppuku post-e3 since I couldn't find the wii u community thread lol.

https://twitter.com/makonakocom/ a guy who attended the Nintendo Share Holder Meeting shares lots of information sorry that I have no time to translate all the information but I think the most useful information is this one: "Nintendo plans to reveal the launch day and price at September, and not just the launch titles, also the titles for 2013 will be revealed at that time"

They should have announced these 2013 titles at e3. If they are trying to gauge public interest for pricing, it's a bit too late for that :/

[MDX]

Bullshit. The knee-jerk 'lol nintendo' response is always the correct one. Sometimes 'this fucking company never learns' works too.

bzzzzt

Wrong answer.

[Earendil]

So "hardcore" is the new "mature"?

Pretty much, yes. This one will probably stick with us for a while until it's replaced by something else. But they are all made up definitions to label and divide.

[Bamstrokher]

You take this shit way too seriously.

You keep saying that, but it is not really new or interesting, or relevant for that matter.

[Hiltz]

So in other words, we'll just get more info on the currently announced titles. Hopefully, Nintendo will share some third-party announcements in September as well.

[Hakai]

You keep saying that, but it is not really new or interesting, or relevant for that matter.

Well you have a point, but I think he is right, just take it easy man, it's only a forum, it's ok to discuss, but if you lose your mind, you might regret it.

Just saying ^^

[Redford]

Anyone else worried about how Nintendo will top Galaxy 2?

I know they will but damn. I fucking love this game and I'm only 30 stars in.

Well you have a point, but I think he is right, just take it easy man, it's only a forum, it's ok to discuss, but if you lose your mind, you might regret it. Just saying ^^

Yep. Also the guns-blazing junior thing usually doesn't work out too well, regardless of what you're arguing. /metagaf

[Hakai]

Anyone else worried about how Nintendo will top Galaxy 2? I know they will but damn. I fucking love this game and I'm only 30 stars in. Yep. Also the guns-blazing junior thing usually doesn't work out too well, regardless of what you're arguing. /metagaf

Galaxy 2 is really awesome isn't it? And it get's better, this is exactly what makes me hyped for the Wii U, see how the next 3D Mario will turn out!

[Penguin]

http://kotaku.com/5922148/i-like-the...-like-it-a-lot

I like the Wii U. I like it a lot.

[schuelma]

So in other words, we'll just get more info on the currently announced titles. Hopefully, Nintendo will share some third-party announcements in September as well.

In September? I actually expect a proper blowout. Almost nothing has been announced for the Japanese market and that market is always priority #1 for Nintendo. I suspect it will look a lot like the 3DS conference last fall which saw Monster Hunter 3G and 4 revealed.

I also would not be shocked if we see Monolith's project. It could very conceivably be a Q1-Q2 2013 release in Japan.

[Anth0ny]

Anyone else worried about how Nintendo will top Galaxy 2? I know they will but damn. I fucking love this game and I'm only 30 stars in.

I didn't think they'd top Galaxy 1. They did.

Never doubt EAD Tokyo.

[Glorified G]

Anyone else worried about how Nintendo will top Galaxy 2?

Galaxy 1/2 are borderline perfection. Can't imagine a platformer being better designed so I won't be hard on them if they don't top them.

Galaxy 2 is really awesome isn't it? And it get's better, this is exactly what makes me hyped for the Wii U, see how the next 3D Mario will turn out!

Your avatar makes me want to play 3D land again

[schuelma]

http://kotaku.com/5922148/i-like-the...-like-it-a-lot I like the Wii U. I like it a lot.

Totilo really is a good writer. That article basically boils down to "the Wii has fun games that make me want to buy it." Something so simple that is really getting lost.

[shinra-bansho]

about that "true next gen" comment: you can just as well read that as clarifying that they're not still referring to PS3/360 as "next gen" like so many people have been doing at least until last year.

The PS3 has been on the market for 6 years and the 360, 7 years. People still refer to them as next gen? I don't see it.

The "true next gen" comment is written in a manner to exclude. An inclusive comment would have simply been "next gen."

[JordanN]

The PS3 has been on the market for 6 years and the 360, 7 years. People still refer to them as next gen? I don't see it.

Alot of job postings for PS3/360 still refer to them as next gen. It's weird.

[D-e-f-]

The PS3 has been on the market for 6 years and the 360, 7 years. People still refer to them as next gen? I don't see it. The "true next gen" comment is written in a manner to exclude. An inclusive comment would have simply been "next gen."

yup, they definitely still did last year. it's obviously stupid but that doesn't change the fact that people called PS3/360 versions "next gen" to differentiate them from Wii versions.

[USC-fan]

The PS3 has been on the market for 6 years and the 360, 7 years. People still refer to them as next gen? I don't see it. The "true next gen" comment is written in a manner to exclude. An inclusive comment would have simply been "next gen."

I dont see it either.

[JokerOfSpades]

[a]list : With Nintendo, where do you think they came up short in the way they showed the Wii U? Dean Takahashi: They have a major issue with the capability of the Wii U console where it has a single processor but it has to drive multiple displays. A single graphics chip inside the console has to drive the big screen, the main game screen, but it also has to provide the imagery for the tablet controller, the game pad. And yet the system itself isn’t that powerful. Nintendo only showed games with one game pad controller and the TV. Most games out there, if you’re in a social setting, you want two controllers. Nintendo didn’t show any games that do that. They admitted in a Q&A that the games are going to run slower if you have two game pads and playing on a main display. That’s a fairly big issue for them. They made a good case that you can play with one controller and multiple Wii controllers, what they call asymmetric gaming where one person is looking at the small tablet screen and trying to deploy zombies while the people playing with the controllers were all on the main screen. You come up with very creative, different kinds of games where it’s one against four, or one person going online. They tried to justify and turn into an advantage this major weakness of the Wii U, but I think a lot of people saw this as a weakness. The games themselves were creative. They tried to do something like Wii Sports with NintendoLand, which has mini- games in it that explore the capabilities of the tablet and the touch screen. But there wasn’t an obvious blockbuster within those games. They may have had a good one in ZombieU, but in the demos it didn’t necessarily play that well. Nintendo came up as a pretty big disappointment at E3.

http://www.thealistdaily.com/news/ex...ean-takahashi/

(Credit to RMC)

[AJSousuke]

about that "true next gen" comment: you can just as well read that as clarifying that they're not still referring to PS3/360 as "next gen" like so many people have been doing at least until last year.

the problem is that it is easy to get the comment twisted, there was no need to use the word "true" since PS360 have been current gen by a while.