[HephalumpsAndWoozles]

So you put absolutely zero value in either hardware or software design. A rare position to take. I wish you luck with your cart of Cray chips. LOL.

No I value hardware more as I previously stated .

Also, as long as the software connects me to the internet, that is the true essence of a "smartphone" because without it, its just a phone .

[Nerfgun]

who needs more than 200mhz, windows 95, IE 4, and Office 95? I sure as hell don't, it is still the same thing!

ok bill gates

No I value hardware more as I previously stated (LOL). Also, as long as the software connects me to the internet, that is the true essence of a "smartphone" because without it, its just a phone (LOL).

As bullet points, maybe, but what of the overall integration?

Are you happy just Telnetting into things, using Gopher etc?

[MThanded]

No I value hardware more as I previously stated . Also, as long as the software connects me to the internet, that is the true essence of a "smartphone" because without it, its just a phone .

So you just want an xterm session?

The real key to a decent smartphone is usability.

[WordAssassin]

Man, Passport. Next iPhone is totally gonna have NFC. So awesome.

[HephalumpsAndWoozles]

ok bill gates As bullet points, maybe, but what of the overall integration? Are you happy just Telnetting into things, using Gopher etc?

Which phones out now do you have to use these to access the interwebs?

Contrary to popular belief, I dont find the iphone ridiculously easier to use than a droid.

So you just want an xterm session? The real key to a decent smartphone is usability.

How much more "usable" is the iPhones web than a droids web, or windows phone web etc.?

Contrary to popular belief, I dont find the iphone ridiculously easier to use than a droid.

Seriously, either of us type a website into our phone browser and shockingly it takes us to that website, right?

[ivedoneyourmom]

Which phones out now do you have to use these to access the interwebs?

Well if you download a few apps from the AppStore, then any iPhone - I imagine they offer app from Google Play with similar capabilities. Know of a good website I can use to ssh into my computer?

[MThanded]

Which phones out now do you have to use these to access the interwebs? Contrary to popular belief, I dont find the iphone ridiculously easier to use than a droid. How much more "usable" is the iPhones web than a droids web, or windows phone web etc.? Contrary to popular belief, I dont find the iphone ridiculously easier to use than a droid. Seriously, either of us type a website into our phone browser and shockingly it takes us to that website, right?

I spend most of my time on my iphone inside an app not sitting on a website. If I really wanted to be reading something on the web I'd be in instapaper.

The app interface is a much better frontend to the data I want to see than a raw website in most cases.

[Lkr]

Which phones out now do you have to use these to access the interwebs? Contrary to popular belief, I dont find the iphone ridiculously easier to use than a droid. How much more "usable" is the iPhones web than a droids web, or windows phone web etc.? Contrary to popular belief, I dont find the iphone ridiculously easier to use than a droid. Seriously, either of us type a website into our phone browser and shockingly it takes us to that website, right?

have you ever compared? using the SEVERAL DIFFERENT BROWSERS on android, safari on the iPhone, and the browser on webos are all operated DIFFERENTLY and all have different features

[nVidiot_Whore]

Which phones out now do you have to use these to access the interwebs? Contrary to popular belief, I dont find the iphone ridiculously easier to use than a droid.

Out of curiosity... what non iPhone "hardware" do you care that much about?

If it's just about browsing the web for you.. what hardware is doing that better?

Honest question. Bigger screen?

[kinggroin]

Which phones out now do you have to use these to access the interwebs? Contrary to popular belief, I dont find the iphone ridiculously easier to use than a droid. How much more "usable" is the iPhones web than a droids web, or windows phone web etc.? Contrary to popular belief, I dont find the iphone ridiculously easier to use than a droid.

It isn't, and don't believe the bullshit fanboys will say to the contrary. Both OSs are easy to use by anyone, but ios is MUCH less intimidating at first glance to a smartphone virgin than most android setups.

Also, as good as ICS is, ios is still better when it comes to performance consistency. Only wp7 beats it in that department.

[MThanded]

It isn't, and don't believe the bullshit fanboys will say to the contrary. Both OSs are easy to use by anyone, but ios is MUCH less intimidating at first glance to a smartphone virgin than most android setups. Also, as good as ICS is, ios is still better when it comes to performance consistency. Only wp7 brats it in that department.

Thats the big deal. People well versed enough in technology can use both fine.

I would never put an android phone in my parent's hands. The amount of tech support I would be doing for them would be immense.

The biggest difference from a technology perspective is that the apple ecosystem is much more well thought out than the google ecosystem.

I'd rather not turn this into an android vs. ios thread. Both shine in different areas.

[HephalumpsAndWoozles]

Out of curiosity... what non iPhone "hardware" do you care that much about? If it's just about browsing the web for you.. what hardware is doing that better? Honest question. Bigger screen?

When I was deciding between an iphone and droidx, the bigger screen was a big deal, along with the voice to text features.

Those two were the deal breakers. More recently, 4g.

[Oreoleo]

Not compatible with iPad 1? Pretty weak Apple.

[kinggroin]

Thats the big deal. People well versed enough in technology can use both fine. I would never put an android phone in my parent's hands. The amount of tech support I would be doing for them would be immense.

Lol, at first I was going to disagree, but the ame advantage it has in being so open and customizeable makes it that much more easier to fuck up.

Usually I recommend iPhones for family and friends who are scared by technology. I then suggest android as an upgrade if they keep asking "why can't my phone do this and this" and have become comfortable with the basics.

Thing is, good luck getting ios users to try anything but another ios device! That reliability and predictability (not to mention brand strength and status) make it hard to switch.

:-)

[Divvy]

So does the new map app still have streetview?

[nVidiot_Whore]

When I was deciding between an iphone and droidx, the bigger screen was a big deal, along with the voice to text features. Those two were the deal breakers. More recently, 4g.

Software feature ;)

But yeah, I get the desire for LTE for sure.

Forgot about that one.

[CrunchinJelly]

Photos of the new iPad Clock app: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ith_ios_6.html

[Tunesmith]

Native iPad clock app, finally!

[Tobor]

Native iPad clock app, finally!

They had to if they were going to add Siri. I assume they'll add weather and stocks as well.

[Enco]

Photos of the new iPad Clock app: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ith_ios_6.html

Sa-weeeet!

[Pristine_Condition]

They had to if they were going to add Siri. I assume they'll add weather and stocks as well.

I'm sure you're right. Somebody already showed a view of Siri calling up the Weather App on Twitter today. Can't find it now though.

[Pristine_Condition]

Love the alarm clock interface with the flippy numbers. Will drive the anti-skeuomorphic design crowd nuts though, probably.

[Indrid Cold1]

Awesome. Still compatible with my POS 3GS. I love this beaten up old thing.

[Majine]

They had to if they were going to add Siri. I assume they'll add weather and stocks as well.

Oh god, does this mean the clock app is only for the new iPad aswell?

[MThanded]

Love the alarm clock interface with the flippy numbers. Will drive the anti-skeuomorphic design crowd nuts though, probably.

Can you set alarms on the ipad and get them synced to the phone. That would be nice

[mf.luder]

I really like the feature on Android that when you set an alarm it tells you how long until the alarm in a little splash bubble.

[giga]

9to5 has some screens.

[Enco]

Everything is hot.

I really like the maps look.

[Good Job Bob]

Everything is hot. I really like the maps look.

Oh yeah, the new Maps app is really hot stuff; reminds me that Apple still has it in them.

[Richfield]

I fear the lack of support in Australia for most of these new location based features :(

[CrunchinJelly]

I fear the lack of support in Australia for most of these new location based features :(

Which features?

They just showed the Sydney Opera House in 3D in Maps...

[woxel1]

I fear the lack of support in Australia for most of these new location based features :(

Australia?

Where's that?

I can't find it.

[Richfield]

Which features? They just showed the Sydney Opera House in 3D in Maps...

Siri with restaurants, cinemas & sport scores (business search doesn't even work yet, and no one in Australia cares about four out of the five sports listed)
Passbook

[dream]

For the life of me, I just cannot see the difference in the redesigned stores other than the colors.

[Buckethead]

Curious why they changed the phone # screen.

For the life of me, I just cannot see the difference in the redesigned stores other than the colors.

More appealing to the eye, swipe left scroll to view apps instead of 8-app grid like before.

Much better.

It's not updated on the server side yet so if you're looking on your phone now then you won't see a difference.

[Pristine_Condition]

Australia? Where's that? I can't find it.

It's like Southeast of Germany, or something...

[Tobor]

For the life of me, I just cannot see the difference in the redesigned stores other than the colors.

Well, in itunes, it looks like they've moved purchased into the more list, and broken videos out into movies and tv shows.

I'm hoping there are some back end changes as well, to speed all the stores up.

[giga]

For the life of me, I just cannot see the difference in the redesigned stores other than the colors.

Edge to edge graphics that aren't enclosed in round rects.

[Buckethead]

It may be minor but the "reviews" tab is a nice addition.
I like reading a couple reviews of books that are recommended to me.

Before you had to scroll to the bottom of the page and wait for everything to load.

Quicker, more efficient, I suppose.

[guise]

Other notable bits and pieces
- the status bar now apparently gets the same tint as whatever colour the nab bar is
- mobile safari has a webkit inspector when hooked up to desktop safari
- Apple's pull-to-refresh animation looks slick - like a viscous blob stretching as you pull down

Shit tonne of images leaking all over twitter. Here's a whole bunch courtesy of @kubilayss

Some kind of new app badge


Music


Weather


3D maps


Camera


Share screen


Keypad!


Navigation


AppStore


Facebook sharing


Music player

[Good Job Bob]

Edge to edge graphics that aren't enclosed in round rects.

No more pinstripes.

[Buckethead]

Orange highlight on iTunes?
I guess that matches the iPad.

Boo, though. It's ugly.

I don't know why they keep changing things that don't match (silver buttons in the music app vs. black elsewhere).

[Good Job Bob]

Er, I like the new keypad but I wish the Nav Bar didn't bleed into the status bar, that looks pretty shit and hopefully they change it.

[neojubei]

Turn-by-turn iPhone 4S, iPad 2 and new iPad only. No iPhone 4. I smell meltdowns.

Well I had my iphone 4 for about 2 years now so its time for an upgrade to iphone 5.

[ivedoneyourmom]

Everything is hot. I really like the maps look.

I like that they are using vector graphics, should make things quicker and more seamless than the Google Maps tiles - that with the new API Apple is offering for it, I am not going to miss Google Maps at all.

[Tobor]

What's up with the grey phone pad? Is that optional?

[Tunesmith]

iO6 is sweet, that is all.

[guise]

Orange highlight on iTunes? I guess that matches the iPad. Boo, though. It's ugly. I don't know why they keep changing things that don't match (silver buttons in the music app vs. black elsewhere).

Orange is helpful, its higher contrast and easier to tell the difference between states.

I'm guessing (hoping) the UI elements will become standardised as the beta progresses. They are standard UIKit elements so it stands to reason they would update across all apps that use native components

[EviLore]

So my question would be, for international travel and dead zones, will apple maps have an offline mode or will I still want to have bloated and horrible dedicated map apps like navigon with local storage modes for maps?

[Zeppu]

They would've mentioned offline maps since that's something not currently offered and quite a big deal. The new Google maps for iOS will have offline maps though but probably won't be integrated with Siri and stuff.