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Gowans
(06-13-2012, 04:19 PM)
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https://twitter.com/#!/dyadgame

DYAD ‏@DyadGame
I'm pretty sick of people getting praise and credit for being full of shit, exploitive liars

DYAD ‏@DyadGame
No one's calling out @indiegamemovie on their bullshit, fake drama and curation of lies, so I will.

DYAD ‏@DyadGame
Its not ok to present the rambling lies of someone as truth with no hint of another side of the story...

DYAD ‏@DyadGame
Especially when those lies are attacks that are intended to hurt another person

DYAD ‏@DyadGame
That's not okay with me, and I'll never support any work that does that; whether the creators were conscious or not

DYAD ‏@DyadGame
The "other game" mentioned in the movie at PAX East was Dyad btw

DYAD ‏@DyadGame
I didn't want to talk about this until after Dyad came out and it couldn't interfere with the game, but the unchecked lies needed a response

Ben Hanson ‏@yozetty
@DyadGame I asked the filmmakers about that in an interview and they were just interested in Phil's story and perspective. Not objectivity.

DYAD ‏@DyadGame
@yozetty that's a cowardly response in order to over-dramaticize the film. With no interest in truth its hard to call it a "documentary"

Joshua Dennison ‏@herebejoshua
@DyadGame - You have to feel this way about most documentaries, right? Like, no one interviewd the owners of the buildings Bansky defaces.

DYAD ‏@DyadGame
@herebejoshua I agree, but that doesn't make it ok. This is a story I'm very familliar with.

DYAD ‏@DyadGame
@herebejoshua I would love to debunk everything, but I'm not qualified to - I am in this case


@DyadGame I hear you, but I don't blame the filmmakers. That movie is as focused as it can be, it would be jarring to jump to another angle.

@yozetty I agree it might make the movie worse, but that's a horrible excuse to propogate lies that are harmful to another human being

DYAD ‏@DyadGame
Note:I tried to meet with the creators when they were in Toronto to settle this privately but they weren't able to. I chose not to via email

Shawn A. ‏@anuchallenger
@DyadGame Yeah that whole shit is garbage. When I met the other creator, I was like... he seems like a cool fucking guy!

@anuchallenger If you're talking about the blurred out guy; yes, he is a cool guy. Dyad wouldn't exist without him

DYAD ‏@DyadGame
o btw, he didn't ask me to say any of this. I did get his permission though. I just can't stand the bullshit spewed from this garbage.

DYAD ‏@DyadGame
Also, I've received a great deal of public supprt from people and companies recently; these tweets are MY OWN - Shawn McGrath

DYAD ‏@DyadGame
@indiegamemovie "Phil Fish's ex-business partner asked not to participate in this film." - isn't that the *EXACT OPPOSITE* of the truth?

epmode
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(06-13-2012, 04:24 PM)
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So, uh... What are the lies?
Zia
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(06-13-2012, 04:25 PM)
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Ugh.
Massa
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(06-13-2012, 04:25 PM)
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The indie "scene" is so full of drama it's disgusting.
Ghost
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(06-13-2012, 04:26 PM)
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Definitely was the worst part of the movie, situations like that are never one sided and deciding to not even describe the other side of the issue was a mistake in my opinion.
Riposte
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(06-13-2012, 04:27 PM)
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Whoever loses, we win
Fersis
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(06-13-2012, 04:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by Massa

The indie "scene" is so full of drama it's disgusting.

Yup. Its cool to see from the outside.

lol indies
Gowans
(06-13-2012, 04:27 PM)
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Watching this with the Mrs tonight, I'll be keeping an eye out for what's going on here.

Interesting this guys is so pationate about it.
erpg
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(06-13-2012, 04:28 PM)
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So, what's the lie, for those of us who are never going to bother to watch this?
Alextended
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(06-13-2012, 04:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by Massa

The indie "scene" is so full of drama it's disgusting.

Why even follow up on drama enough to know it's there? Just play games you like, man, indie or not.

This dude's weird though, not wanting to settle things privately over e-mail but going all out on twitter.
Holy Wars
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(06-13-2012, 04:28 PM)
What did they say
awaiken
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(06-13-2012, 04:28 PM)
I'm not clear on what the lies are.
Netrunner2k2
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(06-13-2012, 04:29 PM)
Yeah, what are the lies? I'll likely never watch this flick.
Nibel
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(06-13-2012, 04:29 PM)
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Oh man
Zia
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(06-13-2012, 04:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by Riposte

Whoever loses, we win

The thing is, nobody wins that argument. Publicizing this will just further vilify both involved parties in the eyes of different groups of people.
StuBurns
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(06-13-2012, 04:30 PM)
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Now I'm starting to wonder about the validity of Catfish.
Geek
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(06-13-2012, 04:30 PM)
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There's definitely no love lost between Fez designer Phil Fish and Jason "6955" Degroot, who contributed music to Dyad, Super TIME Force and, at one point, Fez.

Fish and Degroot co-founded Polytron, but parted ways. I believe the split was not amicable.
Last edited by Geek; 06-13-2012 at 04:33 PM.
Ventilaator
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(06-13-2012, 04:30 PM)
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Yeah, someone needs to fill me in and explain what the problem is.
CrunchinJelly
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(06-13-2012, 04:31 PM)
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Can someone back this up a bit, please?

I'm lost.
randomwab
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(06-13-2012, 04:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by Lyphen

So, what's the lie, for those of us who are never going to bother to watch this?

Phil Fish co-founded Polytron with another dude who eventually left the company on bad terms with Fish. There was a big legal stink between the two over the company and FEZ, with some scenes of Fish blowing up over the other dude making it into the film.
acm2000
(06-13-2012, 04:32 PM)

Originally Posted by epmode

So, uh... What are the lies?

the cake?
Brazil
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(06-13-2012, 04:32 PM)
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I have absolutely no clue what this is about, but I'm amused nonetheless.
sn00zer
(06-13-2012, 04:33 PM)
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What is DYAD?
Geek
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(06-13-2012, 04:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by sn00zer

What is DYAD?

It's a video game. You should look it up on the internet. It's pretty cool.
UrbanRats
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(06-13-2012, 04:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by StuBurns

Now I'm starting to wonder about the validity of Catfish.

Don't let anyone tell you what it is.
thetrin
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(06-13-2012, 04:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by randomwab

Phil Fish co-founded Polytron with another dude who eventually left the company on bad terms with Fish. There was a big legal stink between the two over the company and FEZ, with some scenes of Fish blowing up over the other dude making it into the film.

So what's the lie?
HoosTrax
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(06-13-2012, 04:36 PM)
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I through the entire Twitter thread, and I still don't understand what the supposed lies in question are...
Massa
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(06-13-2012, 04:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by thetrin

So what's the lie?

The movie paints the other guy as the bad dude in the story and the DYAD developer wanted to go public in support of him, reminding people the movie presents a very biased and skewed version of the real story. It's as simple as that.
HamPster PamPster
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(06-13-2012, 04:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by thetrin

So what's the lie?

I haven't watch this movie but I have seen at least one documentary in the past 10 years (which makes me an expert). The lie is probably Fish is made to look like the innocent indie developer who was taken advantage of by the greedy, evil and manipulative ex-business partner
MThanded
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(06-13-2012, 04:39 PM)
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Nobody would have known they were talking about this guy or his game if he didnt say anything lol.
hey_it's_that_dog
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(06-13-2012, 04:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by Massa

The indie "scene" is so full of drama it's disgusting.

It seems natural that people untethered by PR and big publishers would speak their minds more frequently.

I'm sure there's enough drama to go around in the corportate game dev world; we just rarely hear about it.
Zia
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(06-13-2012, 04:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by HamPster PamPster

I haven't watch this movie but I have seen at least one documentary in the past 10 years (which makes me an expert). The lie is probably Fish is made to look like the innocent indie developer who was taken advantage of by the greedy, evil and manipulative ex-business partner

It isn't, though. It's a rant by one of the participants in the documentary. There's absolutely no editorializing.


Originally Posted by MThanded

Nobody would have known they were talking about this guy or his game if he didnt say anything lol.

That's my issue with it. Nobody outside of that scene gives a shit. Shawn's put a face to IG:TM's Billy Mitchell.
El_TigroX
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(06-13-2012, 04:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by Geek

It's a video game. You should look it up on the internet. It's pretty cool.

I got a chance to play that at a PlayStation event. I wish I did drugs... because that game is going to be ridiculous on acid. Sober I enjoyed the heck out of it... though I could feel my eyes cross at points because of the colors and motion.
HamPster PamPster
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(06-13-2012, 04:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by Zia

It isn't, though. It's a rant by one of the participants in the documentary. There's absolutely no editorializing.

So you're saying I'm not an expert :(
Stumpokapow
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(06-13-2012, 04:42 PM)
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Updated thread title to get a better sense of the positively thrilling stakes on the line here.
Hydrogen Bluebird
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(06-13-2012, 04:42 PM)
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I feel like the movie plays/played a big part in making drama queens out of and/overblowing the egos of indie game developers.
Riposte
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(06-13-2012, 04:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by Zia

The thing is, nobody wins that argument. Publicizing this will just further vilify both involved parties in the eyes of different groups of people.

Whoever loses, we win
AlphaTwo00
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(06-13-2012, 04:44 PM)
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I've heard of rumblings of something about Indie Game: The Movie being fairly contraversial within the indie community, where some groups have distanced themselves from talking about it.

Surprised that it's blowing up now.
INDIGO_CYCLOPS
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(06-13-2012, 04:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by Hydrogen Bluebird

I feel like the movie plays/played a big part in making drama queens and/overblowing the egos of indie game developers.

Same here, after watching it...

Some of the things Fish said especially were so over-the-top drama queen it was absurd.
Zia
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(06-13-2012, 04:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by Riposte

Whoever loses, we win

He-hurr.
deadlast
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(06-13-2012, 04:48 PM)
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wow.... Now I have to watch this movie to know what's going on. I guess what they say about publicity is correct.
Dice
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(06-13-2012, 04:49 PM)
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All of their games look like shit.
jett
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(06-13-2012, 04:49 PM)
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This DYAD guy should've heeded his original decision and stayed away from this.

Anyway, documentaries always play with the truth. Sometimes to the point where it is completely distorted and inaccurate, in the name of making something entertaining. I shrug at this, but I guess it hits this guy closer.
Gowans
(06-13-2012, 04:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by Stumpokapow

Updated thread title to get a better sense of the positively thrilling stakes on the line here.

haha love it!
INDIGO_CYCLOPS
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(06-13-2012, 04:52 PM)
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So the DYAD dev speaking his mind is NOT the ex-partner? I'm assuming this is Shawn McGrath?

The ex-partner is supposedly some musician. I'm confused now.
kylej
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(06-13-2012, 04:53 PM)
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So his main complaint is that the movie over-dramatizes the situation, but he expresses it with a lengthy and vitriolic Twitter rant.

Ooooook.
Vibri
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(06-13-2012, 04:54 PM)
The film makers choosing only to include a rant against the business partner who left is the very definition of editorialising.

Selective EDITING = EDITORIAL comment.

I can also personally vouch for the fact that Phil Fish is the much less likeable partner than the one 'blurred out' by the film makers.
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(06-13-2012, 04:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by kylej

So his main complaint is that the movie over-dramatizes the situation, but he expresses it with a lengthy and vitriolic Twitter rant.

Ooooook.

Well I think his initial plan was to stay quiet, but then saw how over-blown Fish made the situation (talking about wanting to "murder" the dead and shit) so he got fed up. What social network would spread the word the fastest? Twitter.
Hydrogen Bluebird
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(06-13-2012, 04:55 PM)
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Guy saying stuff on twitter should have at least prepared a coherent blog entry clearly explaining the situation and his side of the story.

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