[SalsaShark]

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/re...ty-rush/732235

I remember hearing about most news and journalism outlets complaining about Sony not providing a proper way to produce content recording direct-footage from the Vita itself, but... what the hell? is this still an issue at this point?


Am I silly to believe that this feels to me like another indication that they just gave up and dont give a crap about the thing anymoer? providing something like this is pretty crucial in order to get footage of your games out there..

[ShockingAlberto]

Yeah, I was looking in to direct feed solutions earlier today and still haven't seen any.

I am guessing Sony feels that, for the games they feel matter, PS3 footage will work fine.

[Brettison]

IGN's video review was the same way. Just had Greg Miller talked over someone playing the Vita verses direct feed.

[Poyunch]

The guys at Giant Bomb said they wouldn't do a Quick Look because of lack of capture equipment.

[SalsaShark]

IGN's video review was the same way. Just had Greg Miller talked over someone playing the Vita verses direct feed.

pretty nuts, man

Giant Bomb said they wouldn't do a Quick Look because of lack of capture equipment.

yeah i've heard that



just really stupid by Sony all around

[LiquidMetal14]

I thought there was a way to cap direct video? Or is that a dev kit only feature?

I can only guess that the PSP being hacked to hell and back had something to do with this.

In fact, it seems like the way the Vita runs with basically having to authenticate anything being copied is a big part of the security measures after what happened to the PSP.

[Wario64]

Did you see how they showed off Sound Shapes on the Sony E3 pre-show conference thing? lol.

[LiquidMetal14]

Did you see how they showed off Sound Shapes on the Sony E3 pre-show conference thing? lol.

PS3 version in disguise.

[MikeE21286]

Yikes.

C'mon Sony

[SalsaShark]

I can only guess that the PSP being hacked to hell and back had something to do with this.

not really.. has nothing to do with bypassing any sort of security measures

[GopherD]

Am I silly to believe that this feels to me like another indication that they just gave up and dont give a crap about the thing anymoer?

And yet the footage shows a Sony original ip, distinctly handheld flavoured, that is getting great reviews and is being pushed worldwide...

Yep they don't give a shit.

[ShockingAlberto]

I can only guess that the PSP being hacked to hell and back had something to do with this..

This needs expounding upon.

[StuBurns]

It's a bad situation, because the whole selling point of the Vita is pretty graphics, and if Sony did provide a way of capturing direct feed, people would have huge videos, designed to be viewed on a small screen, so it'd look like dog shit.

[Penguin]

I first noticed this with GT's review of Resistance: Burning Skies

It really is odd.

[SalsaShark]

And yet the footage shows a Sony original ip, distinctly handheld flavoured, that is getting great reviews and is being pushed worldwide... Yep they don't give a shit.

Dude, they aren't providing methods to capture direct footage. For a handheld on wich it's graphics are supposedly a main selling point and one of their big pushes in terms of what they market.

why is this? why would this be?

they are missing out on having stuff out there like GiantBomb quick-looks and just more footage overall. They are creating issues for those who want to actually promote the game.

It's beyond fuckin stupid. I said "it feels to me" like that. In reality I DOUBT that they would just give up like that, but they sure aint showing otherwise.

[BY2K]

The first 3DS reviews on GT were also off-screen footage, IIRC.

[IdreamofHIME]

All of GT's PSV reviews since launch have been off-cam. It's stupid.

Although there was a similar problem with the DS when it launched. I remember IGN's Craig Harris getting all excited a few months later when proper capture equipment was introduced.

[Tricky I Shadow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX7tKbY_09o

???

[Tain]

this is almost as stupid as the vita not having tv-out

fuck the fact that the vita does not have tv-out

augh

[StuBurns]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX7tKbY_09o ???

That's off screen, they just did a much better job of it.

[EatinOlives]

The first 3DS reviews on GT were also off-screen footage, IIRC.

Not sure if they took this long to get capture equipment, though.

[Afrikan]

It's a bad situation, because the whole selling point of the Vita is pretty graphics, and if Sony did provide a way of capturing direct feed, people would have huge videos, designed to be viewed on a small screen, so it'd look like dog shit.

is this really that hard for others to comprehend on their own...

[SalsaShark]

The first 3DS reviews on GT were also off-screen footage, IIRC.

Yup they had about 3 of those during launch week with the first ever titles. Probably lasted about a couple weeks til they got proper gear and I think they were reviewing out of an imported one?

The Vita was launched december 2011 in Japan and February in the west, middle of June now, this is just weird.

[AkuMifune]

Sure, it's a problem. But also putting out a way for people to easily capture video out from a handheld device is also a problem, especially given Sony's track record with piracy. Hopefully they'll provide a way to do it soon, but you shouldn't throw yours hands up in disgust just yet.

Ok, maybe one hand.

[StuBurns]

is this really that hard for others to comprehend on their own...

Probably. Pixel density might be taken as a given amongst GAF, I doubt that's true of the greater public. Gravity Rush looks stunning in person, it looks like ass in this video.

[BY2K]

Not sure if they took this long to get capture equipment, though.

Oh, it didn't took time at all, they received just a tad late for the first 2-3 reviews, I think.

[SalsaShark]

Sure, it's a problem. But also putting out a way for people to easily capture video out from a handheld device is also a problem, especially given Sony's track record with piracy. Hopefully they'll provide a way to do it soon, but you shouldn't throw yours hands up in disgust just yet. Ok, maybe one hand.

It doesn't really bother me since I dont own one and dont plan on buying one just yet, I just think it's extremely weird that they havent adressed this in any single way. It seems unprofessional, wich regardless of what your stance with Sony is, is just weird for them.

Also again: I dont see how a way to capture direct-feed footage would have much to do with bypassing any sort of security that allows something that could lead to priacy.

Pretty sure that ship sailed some time ago when they found a way to do some homebrew stuff over a game on PSN, right? remember reading something like that.

[RomanticHeroX]

Sure, it's a problem. But also putting out a way for people to easily capture video out from a handheld device is also a problem, especially given Sony's track record with piracy. Hopefully they'll provide a way to do it soon, but you shouldn't throw yours hands up in disgust just yet. Ok, maybe one hand.

I don't see how providing capture gear to media outlets poses any piracy threat. There's no consumer level solution for capturing video for the DS or 3DS but Nintendo provides capture kits to the media.

[LiquidMetal14]

This needs expounding upon.

Sure, more open platform gets hacked to hell and back. Successor has custom USB cable, app, and other measures meaning it's further closed. I see it that way. I don't see why a company like Sony wouldn't either.

If the PSP went on its merry way and was exploited, we might have a little more openness. But alas, here we are.

Custom memory cards too.

[grandjedi6]

Its not because of piracy, people

It's a bad situation, because the whole selling point of the Vita is pretty graphics, and if Sony did provide a way of capturing direct feed, people would have huge videos, designed to be viewed on a small screen, so it'd look like dog shit.

Now this, this is a pretty likely reason

[SalsaShark]

Now this, this is a pretty likely reason

What if I think they look way more like shit by filming the games off-screen?

The graphics are good enough to look alright on a bigger, non-native resolution. At least close enough to get people talking, people who know that the games would actually look much better on their own units.

[ShockingAlberto]

Sure, more open platform gets hacked to hell and back. Successor has custom USB cable, app, and other measures meaning it's further closed. I see it that way. I don't see why a company like Sony wouldn't either. If the PSP went on its merry way and was exploited, we might have a little more openness. But alas, here we are. Custom memory cards too.

Keep expounding.

[RomanticHeroX]

Its not because of piracy, people Now this, this is a pretty likely reason

Again, capture kits are provided for 3DS and those games certainly don't look as good blown up as playing them first hand. PSP games were captured before the 2000 revision and the PSP was sold just as much on technical merits as the Vita.

[LiquidMetal14]

Keep expounding.

That's all I got. I stood on my feet for 13 hours from work and moving/moving. Tired right now. I can't expunge any further!

[Boney]

That's all I got. I stood on my feet for 13 hours from work and moving/moving. Tired right now. I can't expunge any further!

he's making fun of you because you're not making any sense

[Fancy Corndog]

I wonder if this lack Vita stuff lately means that they're super focused on PS4 right now. I'm sure in two - three years we'll hear all about the crazy pressure within Sony right now and how Vita suffered for PS4 development or something.

[ShockingAlberto]

That's all I got. I stood on my feet for 13 hours from work and moving/moving. Tired right now. I can't expunge any further!

I'm not seeing the thread of logic between capture equipment to piracy.

[LiquidMetal14]

he's making fun of you because you're not making any sense

My words were in English right? I don't take well to condescending remarks. I say what I say. Come talk to me in Steam chat. I don't take kindly to it there. Luckily no one goes all forum badass there since we are talking to each other.

That's what I think. I can find an app to mix the words up for me though. Then it would really not make sense.

Back to some Serious Sam for me.

I'm not seeing the thread of logic between capture equipment to piracy.

How hard is to not understand my point of a predecesor being hacked and it's successor being more closed due to that? Mind you, this is all an opinion. Don't make me write it in crayon for you. Come to Steam chat and I will explain it in voice if you like. For now, I'm tired.

[Man-is-Obsolete]

What if I think they look way more like shit by filming the games off-screen? The graphics are good enough to look alright on a bigger, non-native resolution. At least close enough to get people talking, people who know that the games would actually look much better on their own units.

The vita is something that looks best with your own eyes so I personally love seeing hands on videos showing games on the vita. It isn't an elegent way of recording footage but not having a tv out is in no way indicative of Sony's care or support. They probably felt the cost of implementing was higher than the benefit.

[Arklite]

Only thing I can think of is that they've had a revision planned from the start (that would include video out) and have no plans to fix capture issues with launch models.

Or they feel their own trailers suffice to show off a game's visuals and you can read reviews for critique. Either way, I wouldn't put money on the issue being fixed too soon.

[Akainu]

Do they sell this stuff or do they just except it for free?

[SalsaShark]

The vita is something that looks best with your own eyes so I personally love seeing hands on videos showing games on the vita. It isn't an elegent way of recording footage but not having a tv out is in no way indicative of Sony's care or support. They probably felt the cost of implementing was higher than the benefit.

It's video capturing software, it's not magic and it's not a SUPER expensive device that it would go overboard for SONY. They must have some way, they just refuse to give it to professional outlets for some weird ass reason.

I get the "it looks better when you see it for yourself" angle and I dont disagree, but seeing it for yourself =/= seeing it filmed off-screen. All video footage just looks awful with a unit there, lights reflecting on the screen, and a big etc of other things. It's just not the way you do this thing.

[LuchaShaq]

The guys at Giant Bomb said they wouldn't do a Quick Look because of lack of capture equipment.

I don't blame them filming a screen ALWAYS looks like crap.

As someone who basically only goes to GB and gaf that decision alone keeps me (willingly) less informed about vita games and even less likely to ever get one. (Was going to get one at launch but the frame rate issues/loading time issues combined with dick move storage wise made me cancel and I'm glad I did.)


Also developers have this hardware Sony just doesn't make it available to press even to purchase.

[LiquidMetal14]

How are they getting direct cap stuff like the Soul Sacrifice feeds? There has to be some video out app or plugin for dev units.

There was an actual, official Mortal Kombat Vita trailer that used offscreen footage for all its gameplay. Ah, here we go. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCavma-emjk

Yeah, pretty obvious there. Odd to see offscreen stuff even though it's right up there on the screen to hide it.

[ShockingAlberto]

There was an actual, official Mortal Kombat Vita trailer that used offscreen footage for all its gameplay.

Ah, here we go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCavma-emjk

[ShockingAlberto]

My words were in English right? I don't take well to condescending remarks. I say what I say. Come talk to me in Steam chat. I don't take kindly to it there. Luckily no one goes all forum badass there since we are talking to each other. That's what I think. I can find an app to mix the words up for me though. Then it would really not make sense. Back to some Serious Sam for me. How hard is to not understand my point of a predecesor being hacked and it's successor being more closed due to that? Mind you, this is all an opinion. Don't make me write it in crayon for you. Come to Steam chat and I will explain it in voice if you like. For now, I'm tired.

I'm saying that you need to produce a technical reason why a Video-out solution would cause piracy.

[Brazil]

There was an actual, official Mortal Kombat Vita trailer that used offscreen footage for all its gameplay. Ah, here we go. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCavma-emjk

Man...

[AniHawk]

There was an actual, official Mortal Kombat Vita trailer that used offscreen footage for all its gameplay. Ah, here we go. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCavma-emjk

kinda smart of them to use the filter for the live action to match the look of the off-camera footage.

[SalsaShark]

As someone who basically only goes to GB and gaf that decision alone keeps me (willingly) less informed about vita games

This is just the sad truth, for me as well and probably for a lot of others. Not even refering to going just to GAF or GB, but just any other place in general besides official trailers.

The fact that I cant go look up someone actually playing Gravity Rush or any other Vita game in proper, non-reflecting, with the contrast not messed up, with the colors as vibrating as they look on that screen, without it being shaky, and a number of other things just keeps me way off the loop compared to other consoles. Not to mention the fact that these facts also mean that there's just not that much footage out there since people will refuse to put out stuff in such a shitty manner.

[RomanticHeroX]

There was an actual, official Mortal Kombat Vita trailer that used offscreen footage for all its gameplay. Ah, here we go. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCavma-emjk

That is incredible.