[Aselith]

Now you're just being snide. Ignoring the OP for a second there is nothing wrong with making questions more inclusive and to stop defaulting certain things so that the non-majority is no longer constantly considered of the "other."

How is that snide? Am I wrong and people choose to have allergies? You claim one is a choice and the other is not. I was being a bit dramatic to make my point but it still stands. If we're going to be wary about offending every little group then you better get ready for a crazy ride, my friend.

Why should gays be singled out to walk on egg shells but not various other underrepresented groups?

My point is her question was reasonable and it's idiotic that now she has to watch HOW she asks a question because 10% of the population might be offended by something that isn't even offensive. It's a reasonable assumption and the post about it was an overreaction to a nonce.

There are definitely offensive assumption to make like that a black person has a family member in jail or some nonsense that is actually an offensive stereotype but this is not one.

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Being "other" is accepted if you're a vegetarian or have allergies that most don't.

Statistically it's reasonable to assume most people are straight. But as a human being with empathy and decency, it's reasonable to ask people about their orientation rather than first reminding them that they're not normal.

[Canuck76]

I guarantee you that if someone is buying pizza for a large group of people that it will be pepperoni. I will base this one 30 years of having pizza bought on my behalf when I am sick and fucking tired of pepperoni. Wow, what a bigot. People with allergies don't exist now? My god.

Hahahaha

Bro i've always been the one that wants pepperoni but my people always get cheese or Pineapple and ham

[Aselith]

Being "other" is accepted if you're a vegetarian or have allergies that most don't. Statistically it's reasonable to assume most people are straight. But as a human being with empathy and decency, it's reasonable to ask people about their orientation rather than first reminding them that they're not normal.

Not really, I haven't eaten cheese for a while due to some issues with my stomach and people definitely will question me on it when I asked them to hold the cheese at restaurants and such. It won't pass without comment a lot of the time.

I don't worry about it though because I'm not a crybaby.

Hahahaha Bro i've always been the one that wants pepperoni but my people always get cheese or Pineapple and ham

I guess maybe it's regional? I used to grind out those motherfucking pepperonis when I worked in pizza delivery and like schools and groups like that always got pepp and everytime we got pizza at any jobs I worked at and family gatherings it's always the same. I'm assuming you're Canadian. Billychu, you Canadian?

[NullPointer]

This is something only an idiot would get offended about.

Or at least a very naive person, and possibly an overly entitled one. You can control your own actions and behaviors but you cannot control others or require them to understand your point of view, and to expect otherwise is foolish. But she could have been upfront about it with her nurse and recommended that the questions be more neutral in the future, but thats it.

[Emitan]

I guess maybe it's regional? I'm assuming you're Canadian. Billychu, you Canadian?

Texas

[Aselith]

Texas

It's time I started a thread to investigate this phenomenon.

[Canuck76]

Not really, I haven't eaten cheese for a while due to some issues with my stomach and people definitely will question me on it when I asked them to hold the cheese at restaurants and such. It won't pass without comment a lot of the time. I don't worry about it though because I'm not a crybaby. I guess maybe it's regional? I used to grind out those motherfucking pepperonis when I worked in pizza delivery and like schools and groups like that always got pepp and everytime we got pizza at any jobs I worked at and family gatherings it's always the same. I'm assuming you're Canadian. Billychu, you Canadian?

I lived for a while in Canada yeah. Didn't notice any difference between America and Canada in terms of that.

I mean their was a lot of times i was happy and they had Pep, cheese and pinapple.

But if anyone was getting the shaft it was usually me and my love of pepperoni.

[Aselith]

I lived for a while in Canada yeah. Didn't notice any difference between America and Canada in terms of that. I mean their was a lot of times i was happy and they had Pep, cheese and pinapple. But if anyone was getting the shaft it was usually me and my love of pepperoni.

That pineapple especially is throwing me for a loop. I don't know anyone who orders pineapple pizza for a group. That shit is cray-cray.

[jimi_dini]

Yeah let's compare dietary choices to people's orientation. That's fair.

Yep, because allergies or health conditions are just dietary choices.

There are for example diseases that may not allow someone to eat regulary.

[Agent Cooper]

is this a pizza thread now

[Akainu]

half off on a dominos pizza if you use the code 50off

[Devolution]

Yep, because allergies or health conditions are just dietary choices. There are for example diseases that may not allow someone to eat regulary.

Comparing food allergies to a sexual orientation is relevant how?

[Persona7]

Sorry she had just posted this following it: It was just too much. I rolled my eyes, lost control, and made this thread. edit: Also, she's straight. Just a feminist.

What am I supposed to be mad about?

[Devolution]

What am I supposed to be mad about?

Hipsters or something I dunno.

[jimi_dini]

Comparing food allergies to a sexual orientation is relevant how?

If someone gets offended, because someone else assumed the 95% case - well, then someone else that has for example a serious gastrointestinal illness surely should also get offended, when someone assumes the healthy case.

One perfect example: there are people that got an IBD. They got to take medicine all the time. It's incurable. And in a flare-up, most of them CANT eat regular food at all. What's worse is that they "look" healthy, which means many people won't take them seriously, even if they know about their disease. So that's kinda like you know someone is gay, but still act as if he/she is straight.

EDIT: not that I'm saying being gay is the same as a disease. I'm saying that such diseases are quite rare, so people assume the most common case, which is healthy. And in this case that nurse assumed the most common case, which is straight.

[RawkHawk2010]

"The nurse just asked if I had a boyfriend or husband or girlfriend or wife. Goddamn. Compulsory sexuality."

[jaxword]

NEOGAF: Any thread about social issues eventually turns into pizza and eating.

[Staccat0]

Do you abstain from dairy as well? I'm assuming Ovo-lacto?

Do I like food that taste's good? Yes I do :)
When I'm shopping for myself, I'm very choosy about the sources of my chicken periods and dairy

[Staccat0]

Being "other" is accepted if you're a vegetarian or have allergies that most don't. Statistically it's reasonable to assume most people are straight. But as a human being with empathy and decency, it's reasonable to ask people about their orientation rather than first reminding them that they're not normal.

Not really. for some reason people always wanna talk about it and give you a lot of what ifs. I don't know any vegetarians who would disagree.

[BrLvgThrChmstry]

NEOGAF: Any thread about social issues eventually turns into pizza and eating.

I'm ok with this.

[Plywood]

OP is FB stalking this girl. She's not into you.

is this a pizza thread now

Your avatar gives off a very good grumpy vibe.

[Aselith]

NEOGAF: Any thread about social issues eventually turns into pizza and eating.

I can do you one better...how much do you folks tip the pizza driver?

[lush]

OP is FB stalking this girl. She's not into you.

WHAT ARE YOU INSINUATING?

[Suairyu]

Eh. I completely see her point. "Do you have a sexual partner or spouse?" is super easy to ask instead and is kind of standard over here.

There's a level of presumption in the nurse's question which has anti-homosexual implications. I mean, especially as medical staff are usually a lot more used to homosexual people and sex than the rest of the world by exposure and training.

[SapientWolf]

Eh. I completely see her point. "Do you have a sexual partner or spouse?" is super easy to ask instead and is kind of standard over here. There's a level of presumption in the nurse's question which has anti-homosexual implications. I mean, especially as medical staff are usually a lot more used to homosexual people and sex than the rest of the world by exposure and training.

Maybe that was just an indirect way to ask if she recently had any penis up in her, or has any plans to have penis up in her in the near future.

[Plywood]

WHAT ARE YOU INSINUATING?

It'll never work out, you already hate her.

[Ra\/en]

that fb post or twitter or whatever was obviously highly overblown.

That being said. We are taught at my medical school not to ask about "girlfriend/boyfriend/wife etc". Instead we are supposed to ask questions like, "are you sexually active?" "men women or both?" etc etc etc. As was already mentioned, it could be kinda hurtful to have a reminder from the doc that you are not part of the 98%.

Also, if I am sensitive enough to ask a gay man his orientation instead of just assuming he is straight, he might be more inclined to feel relaxed around me. You'd be surprised at what patients DONT tell their doctor if they feel like sharing information is not 100% safe from judgement.

[tearsofash]

Getting mad is passé. Why just be honest and express yourself calmly and reasonably?

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

that fb post or twitter or whatever was obviously highly overblown. That being said. We are taught at my medical school not to ask about "girlfriend/boyfriend/wife etc". Instead we are supposed to ask questions like, "are you sexually active?" "men women or both?" etc etc etc. As was already mentioned, it could be kinda hurtful to have a reminder from the doc that you are not part of the 98%. Also, if I am sensitive enough to ask a gay man his orientation instead of just assuming he is straight, he might be more inclined to feel relaxed around me. You'd be surprised at what patients DONT tell their doctor if they feel like sharing information is not 100% safe from judgement.

Well said!

It's not a black and white issue where we all have to fall in line and be totally PC. But if you're aware of the issue, just try to be a decent person! People like it when you treat them well. No need for all the weird defensiveness in this thread against having to be inclusive.

[Agent Cooper]

OP is FB stalking this girl. She's not into you. Your avatar gives off a very good grumpy vibe.

i think it's cute

and can be used easily in situations in which everyone is grumpy about something

[Dead Man]

that fb post or twitter or whatever was obviously highly overblown. That being said. We are taught at my medical school not to ask about "girlfriend/boyfriend/wife etc". Instead we are supposed to ask questions like, "are you sexually active?" "men women or both?" etc etc etc. As was already mentioned, it could be kinda hurtful to have a reminder from the doc that you are not part of the 98%. Also, if I am sensitive enough to ask a gay man his orientation instead of just assuming he is straight, he might be more inclined to feel relaxed around me. You'd be surprised at what patients DONT tell their doctor if they feel like sharing information is not 100% safe from judgement.

Well said.

[Suite Pee]

Has anyone thought she might be mad because it's implied that she needs a boyfriend/husband? Not that it matters, because it's just some inane thing she posted about and never thought anyone would care enough to make a thread on the internet about.

I'm eating pizza and drinking milk.

[Enco]

This is what people get upset about now?

[Mudkips]

I am pretty sure the nurse was just asking if she was sexually active and she took it the wrong way.

The question is about whether or not she is sexually active and potentially pregnant.
Gender does matter.

"But I could be a lesbian and be pregnant from a donor!"
Then the nurse's question is your cue to explain the situation as it relates to your medical exam.

The alternative is for the nurse to ask "So what have you put in your vagina lately?".

i think it's cute and can be used easily in situations in which everyone is grumpy about something

[Dead Man]

The question is about whether or not she is sexually active and potentially pregnant. Gender does matter. "But I could be a lesbian and be pregnant from a donor!" Then the nurse's question is your cue to explain the situation as it relates to your medical exam. The alternative is for the nurse to ask "So what have you put in your vagina lately?".

No, the alternative would be for the nurse just to ask exactly what they meant. If they want to know pregnancy status, ask. If they want to know if they have been sexually active with a male, ask.

[SquiddyCracker]

So is the nurse supposed to ask if she's "dating/seeing someone" or just not at all? I mean, it makes since that we shouldn't assume someone's sexuality like that. I suppose it's something to think about for the future although that's something I would never ask some random stranger. Seems like a pretty small thing to whine/get preachy about though. Chick's trying hard to be a feminist/atheist/alt person/whatever and I respect that but damn, slow your roll. Who's in the wrong? Is anyone in the wrong? Is this really a big deal? Is there a lesson to be learned here?

Slight overreaction perhaps, but she is correct.
When up to 10% might be gay, it is more prudent to ask if she is "dating/seeing someone" (if she's going to ask at all).

[NinjaBoiX]

Wow, OK OP, this was worthwhile.

[AShep]

that fb post or twitter or whatever was obviously highly overblown. That being said. We are taught at my medical school not to ask about "girlfriend/boyfriend/wife etc". Instead we are supposed to ask questions like, "are you sexually active?" "men women or both?" etc etc etc. As was already mentioned, it could be kinda hurtful to have a reminder from the doc that you are not part of the 98%.

"Im asexual. Fuck you and your assumptions doc."

Your insecurities about being reminded that you're you is not something a doctor or anyone else should have to mitigate for.

2 weeks ago I showed up for casual Friday at work in a suit. When a colleague jokingly asked if I'd been to a job interview I replied that I'd come from a funeral. Did I bitch about it on twitter or have a go at him for being insensitive? Of course not because he had no way of knowing and there was no intent to offend.

[SquiddyCracker]

Maybe that was just an indirect way to ask if she recently had any penis up in her, or has any plans to have penis up in her in the near future.

You should be as direct as possible when it comes to ones health, it's neither the time nor the place to dilly-dally out of shyness when someone's well-being is on the line.

[Dead Man]

"Im asexual. Fuck you and your assumptions doc." Your insecurities about being reminded that you're you is not something a doctor or anyone else should have to mitigate for.

The question 'Are you sexually active?' makes no such assumption.

[Typhoon_Ex]

Jesus Christ on a popsicle stick, some people just take it too far. I'm all for people's rights of being whoever they want to be, but unless you tell me that you are gay I will assume you are heterosexual.

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

"Im asexual. Fuck you and your assumptions doc." Your insecurities about being reminded that you're you is not something a doctor or anyone else should have to mitigate for. 2 weeks ago I showed up for casual Friday at work in a suit. When a colleague jokingly asked if I'd been to a job interview I replied that I'd come from a funeral. Did I bitch about it on twitter or have a go at him for being insensitive? Of course not because he had no way of knowing and there was no intent to offend.

It's not that it's offensive. It's that it's not inclusive.

This is a gaming forum. We should all know something about what it feels like to not feel included or respectfully understood. Why are you so angry that some awesome people get hurt when it's implied that they're not normal?

Jesus Christ on a popsicle stick, some people just take it too far. I'm all for people's rights of being whoever they want to be, but unless you tell me that you are gay I will assume you are heterosexual.

People don't choose to be gay.

[perfectchaos007]

Yep she's high strung alright. The nurse obviously wasn't meaning to be offensive about it. If she had a problem with it she should have brought it up personally with the nurse instead of taking the passive aggressive route by venting to her facebook friends.

[Dave Inc.]

Not really, I haven't eaten cheese for a while due to some issues with my stomach and people definitely will question me on it when I asked them to hold the cheese at restaurants and such. It won't pass without comment a lot of the time. I don't worry about it though because I'm not a crybaby.

I think this is relevant to homosexuality because people often get beaten until dead because someone found out that they couldn't eat cheese.

[Johnny Cage In The Shower]

Why are you so angry that some awesome people get hurt when it's implied that they're not normal?.

But at what point did the Nurse in this story Implied that the said girl (patient) wasn't "normal"? By simply assuming that the woman in front of her may or may not have a boyfriend or a husband?
Not normal for being single and not having a partner at all? Or not normal for not having a partner of the opposite sex?

You are contradicting your very first post in this thread when you are implying just because majority of people in society assume that the person in front of them is a heterosexual, they also automatically assume all gays are not normal.

Not everyone is as open minded and as understanding as we'd like them to be, but that doesn't automatically make them a homophobic or anti-gay person who doesn't see homosexuals as "normal" people. Surely there are some seriously racist gays out there.

Having said that, I strongly agree and recommend all professioanl and public service establishments, starting from all the hospitas in the Western world (without any exceptions) practice a proper way of questioning their patients. There no excuse, it's 2012, who is training these nurses on how to talk to patients? Mother Theresa's sisters?

[Typhoon_Ex]

People don't choose to be gay.

I did not say they do, but I am not psychic and unless you tell me I don't know. People are too picky these days. No matter what or how you say it there will be some one who is "offended" by it.
People seek social acceptance because they have a hard time accepting themselves.

[Dead Man]

I did not say they do, but I am not psychic and unless you tell me I don't know. People are too picky these days. No matter what or how you say it there will be some one who is "offended" by it. People seek social acceptance because they have a hard time accepting themselves.

LOL

[jaxword]

I did not say they do, but I am not psychic and unless you tell me I don't know. People are too picky these days. No matter what or how you say it there will be some one who is "offended" by it. People seek social acceptance because they have a hard time accepting themselves.

I, too, have Asperger's.

[ReBurn]

I support her right to be offended. I also support the right of other people to not really feel that strongly about it. We often expect others to see the world the way we see it, but we don't want to see things from other perspectives. The girl in the OP sounds pretentious to me.