[SirPenguin]

blocked me right after

The guy just sounds super bitter and defensive

[ShockingAlberto]

Man, I try not to get in to this sort of thing because I find the idea of GAF being a monolithic entity to be a borderline silly notion, but

An independent press verifies and criticizes. Do you know why we do that? Because if it filters out, if the wrong information gets to our audiences before it comes through us, we lose credibility. We lost their trust in us.

And I will be extremely honest, Justin McElroy. I do not expect that a loss of journalistic credibility bothers you very much. So when you say things like this

@patrickklepek doesn't GAF throw enough baseless suspicion onto the press without actual members of the press piling it on?

The answer is no. The answer should be goddamn fucking embarrassing for you. The fact that you had to ask that, that you hit enter on that, is not only sad, it speaks volumes of what you think about your job. Which, apparently, amounts to much less than even my low estimation of you provided.

You're defensive. Maybe you do get too much shit for your job. Maybe there's a bunch of kids on this forum that don't know how many nights you've had to stay up getting the wording right, that took a joke way too seriously, that don't know how far you have gone to vet the integrity of a story before (even if you don't believe it should be done now). I sympathize. That sucks. But it's also tough shit and maybe you should learn to deal with it.

The key problem with your tweet, I think, is that you believe the suspicion is baseless. Maybe you should rethink that.

[Mik2121]

Wait, is this stuff true, or is OP just trying to fool kotaku into reporting it?

See, that's the only press that I'd think GAF ever tries to fool, and in a jokingly way.

I guess this person is just taking some people's posts a bit too seriously.

[Neuromancer]

People want game journalist to be as unbiased as possible and seeing how that video was made when the game first came out.... lol

Or at least semi-professional.

[Dragonzord]

this forum is out of control

Breaking news: NeoGAF is out of control

sources: ?

[CambriaRising]

Justin is being an ass, sure. But the "he danced with skyrim, clearly he has no credibility" is silly - that was clearly done as a joke.

Honestly. The guy had joked for YEARS on the joytstiq podcast about his love for ES3 and 4, it was clearly a joke for fans of the site and his writing. Even in the thread about that video, people were acting as though he had no right to really like a game just because he was in games press.


For the record, the guy is being a complete douche right now, but that .gif/video is nothing to get in a tizzy about.

[Wildesy]

Oh mang, saw this guy for the first time the other week on the E3 GBC and he was frickin' hilarious. Now I'm really torn, he's acting like an absolute ass.

[plagiarize]

you're out of control!

control is all out of YOU, and it doesn't even care. it's carrying on regardless.

[Meisadragon]

It was a rumour and a good one at that. Verge picked it up and are now trying to blame GAF lol.

[teiresias]

I love his tweet about how Patrick is one of the few to have the contacts to "get the truth", as if it's some foreign concept for "journalists" to cultivate and amass contacts so they can independently verify information and stories.

I guess he's essentially admitting that he's nothing but a PR shrill, since without independent contacts that's the only source of information he has. Doesn't surprise me, most reviews seem written through PR departments anyway. Case in point:

Yeah, love this gif. Except for a few select exceptions, it's pretty apt to the entire industry.

[funkystudent]

Nirolak's edit in the OP adds context but it's confusing everyone because it's the beginning of the conversation that led to McElroy saying that GAF has leaked fake info to the press. That tweet is linked in the OP.

yeah I see that now.

Well GAF hasnt been actively trying to trick the media.
Once or twice someone will post something fake on GAF and if you post that as news on your site without checking it out first then its your own fault for being tricked IMO.

They should have put the basic effort into doing your job and made sure it was real or not. GAF isnt some well respected news agency like associated press or something reporters can just copy/paste stories from.
Its just a forum like any other forum on the web and just like any other forum we have trolls and bullshitters.




Oh and if your reading this McElroy because you probably are I dug your recent DYAD interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzmI-EgOhTg

[Jibbajabbawockky]

I feel like if you're a journalist, and you report something that's written on an internet forum without backing it up with at least some research, that's your own fault, not the forum's.

Yup. I don't know why any games journalist wouldn't try to verify stuff posted on any forum. Or if you're going to post it, at least clearly label it as 'rumor' or something.

[NullPointer]

Honestly. The guy had joked for YEARS on the joytstiq podcast about his love for ES3 and 4, it was clearly a joke for fans of the site and his writing.

Yeah guys, it'd be wrong of us to make a big deal out of this without finding out the backstory and context first.

[Neuromancer]

this forum is out of control

Denis Dyack thought the same thing

[Dragonzord]

@JustinMcElroy I'm just not a fan of publish first, report second. I don't think that's a crazy notion. :)

And people say Patrick doesn't fit in.

[blame space]

Denis Dyack thought the same thing

he was right.

[Zekes!]

what press

[CambriaRising]

Yeah guys, it'd be wrong us to make a big deal out of this without finding out the backstory and context first.

We would be almost as bad as games pre-


I see what you did there.

[plufim]

The mistake of acting like GAF is some crazy hive-mind seems to be being used more lately.

[Jake Tower]

[Lunar15]

this forum is out of control

This needs to be GIF-ed

But yeah, all the defensiveness just makes me think that Justin is just drunk or something.

[Jintor]

Oh mang, saw this guy for the first time the other week on the E3 GBC and he was frickin' hilarious. Now I'm really torn, he's acting like an absolute ass.

I don't see why he can't be both.

you're out of control!

NeoGAF! My office, now! I want your badge on my desk before you leave this station tonight, GAF! You're a loose cannon!

[soul creator]

isn't njean777 a GAF poster?

STOP SNITCHING

lulz

[Boney]

please someone think of the children

[Roto13]

blocked me right after The guy just sounds super bitter and defensive

I'd block you, too. What's the matter with you?

And this:

Twitter is so entertaining. https://twitter.com/JustinMcElroy/st...44655988764672

What the shit is this?

[soldat7]

I don't know how to read Twitter.

Glad I'm not the only one.

[Y2Kev]

please someone think of the children

perv

I don't know how to read Twitter.

God, me neither. It's such a mess. I hate Twitter.

[SatelliteOfLove]

For Whom the McElroy Tolls.

Of my 2 years being on GAF (and another one lurking), that just isn't true. I mean, we ban people who post fake news, for one.

Sir, we can't let facts and evidence get in the way of panicked strawman antics! I'd expect no less from the liars of NeoGAF.

[Hero_of_the_Day]

I'd never heard of the guy before this thread, and he sounds like a douche. But I don't understand what's so horrible about this gif. I mean dancing with a game is pretty goofy, but I don't understand how it destroys his reputation as a games journalist or whatever.

Yeah, GIF is just funny, and then Gaf made it funnier with what I view as a light hearted joke.

That Nier review incident cracked me the fuck up, though. The video and backfire, just good shit.

[bjb]

Well, after reviewing a few tweets - I can say the following with confidence:

Justin McElroy is a fucking idiot.

[RyougaSaotome]

Good on Patrick for asking the questions. The man knows what's what.

[SirPenguin]

I'd block you, too. What's the matter with you?

He made a stupid reductionist argument that insulted the intelligence of people that disagreed with their design. I made a stupid reductionist argument that insulted the design of his cascading style sheets.

Clearly I must have a rare form of autistic aspergers.

[Anticitizen One]

Neogaf is taking down the "gaming press" and they are not happy about it.

[Ceebs]

I still find the concept of any "journalist" using GAF as a source totally amusing and sad.

[KevinCow]

People want game journalist to be as unbiased as possible and seeing how that video was made when the game first came out.... lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN2KUJgOPBs

So gaming journalists aren't allowed to be excited about games?

Like someone decides to get into gaming journalism because he loves games, and you expect him to immediately become a robot with no emotions for the games he's covering?

Nobody throws these kinds of accusations at Giant Bomb when they have a special podcast or something for an upcoming game they're super psyched for.

[ShockingAlberto]

Neogaf is taking down the "gaming press" and they are not happy about it.

"NeoGAF" isn't.

Rational thinking is.

[Thoraxes]

Good on Kelpek.

[CrunchinJelly]

I still find the concept of any "journalist" using GAF as a source totally amusing and sad.

Scouring forums for news and copying and pasting shit without doing any research is just lazy.

[Odrion]

Well, I don't know about any of this. But My Brother, My Brother, and Me owns bones.

[Hero_of_the_Day]

Good on Patrick for asking the questions. The man knows what's what.

Yeah, Klepek is great. I was worried about this 10 year old looking fifth member joining the band, but he has been an awesome addition to GB, for sure.

[Dragonzord]

So gaming journalists aren't allowed to be excited about games? Like someone decides to get into gaming journalism because he loves games, and you expect him to immediately become a robot with no emotions for the games he's covering? Nobody throws these kinds of accusations at Giant Bomb when they have a special podcast or something for an upcoming game they're super psyched for.

Having the writers and producers of a game to interview is not the same as fanboying over a game. It is to the benefit of your listeners as well as yourself.

[AwRy108]

Let's never forget XBox Pure.

Reason I won't ever visit Kotaku again.

In regards to the current topic: I'm pretty sure both Shacknews and Joystiq posted info. from the fake leak, but they appear to have taken down the info.

Never change, gaming industry...

[Nirolak]

Nirolak's edit in the OP adds context but it's confusing everyone because it's the beginning of the conversation that led to McElroy saying that GAF has leaked fake info to the press. That tweet is linked in the OP.

I edited it to point out that it was context since I agree it is confusing.

[rpmurphy]

Doesn't McElroy have a GAF account? Have the balls to discuss it here.

[Zeer0id]

GAF needs to ban GAF. It's the only solution.

[Odrion]

Yeah, Klepek is great. I was worried about this 10 year old looking fifth member joining the band, but he has been an awesome addition to GB, for sure.

except that time when he sang lollipop in that quicklook

well, not really sang

screamed

[Derrick01]

Doesn't McElroy have a GAF account? Have the balls to discuss it here.

He tried that a long time ago and after it was clear people weren't going to stop pressuring him his posts became more and more childish and pointless. I doubt he'll try that again.

[Dragonzord]

Someone tell Pachter that the heat is down.

[Gooster]

The funny thing is that what Klepek says about reading GAF and health is how I feel about most gaming journalists on Twitter.

[Mr. Fix]

Doesn't McElroy have a GAF account? Have the balls to discuss it here.

You have to be over 13 to use GAF.