[Quick]

Marvel rebooted The Hulk to match the Cinematic Universe. I'd say it was a good idea.

Hulk's getting a casting change with Ruffalo taking over, not necessarily a reboot since it's now within the Cinematic Universe.

[mysocksarepink]

I guess what I meant was that if the original movie sucks (or original series starts to suck, like Spiderman, Batman and XMen) you aren't going to get good, talented directors to take over that sinking ship. Would Nolan have done Batman if WB forced him to continue Shumacher's shit fest? At that point you have no choice really but to reboot.

ah, I must have misunderstood your first point


This does make a lot of sense


ie: Hulk / Punisher

:/


It seriously breaks my heart to see what they've done to Punisher. He's always been one of my favorites..


Deadpool.. Deadpool better go the way of Final Fantasy and have 20 fucking movies in its series. I swear to god if it sucks Marvel, I'll write angry fan mail! >:O

[Nesotenso]

Incredible Hulk wasn't a reboot. The movie has loose ties with Universal's 2003 Hulk. Spidey "being reboot" because of Sony loosing rights if they don't have anything in production and them wanting to distance with Raimi. Fox will reboot the licenses they control for the same first reason.

Bats might get a reinvention cause of WB looking at JLA.

[SmithnCo]

Deadpool.. Deadpool better go the way of Final Fantasy and have 20 fucking movies in its series. I swear to god if it sucks Marvel, I'll write angry fan mail! >:O

It's in Fox's hands. The script that got leaked was really good though.

[Blader5489]

Incredible Hulk wasn't a reboot. The movie has loose ties with Universal's 2003 Hulk.

The only loose tie between the two is that Ang Lee Hulk ends with Banner in South America. Everything else about their stories is completely different.

[Dany M]

Just tell me a consistent and great story and if its an arch, trilogy; then let it end in a satisfying way.

[Blader5489]

Also, OP said Carnage was the best marvel villain, so this is clearly a joke thread.

[Ninja Scooter]

As much as I like the Nolan series, once he's gone I don't want WB to try and force another director (and team of actors) to try and continue that series, and try and force someone like Mr. Freeze or Penguin into the Nolan-verse. Let it die. You don't necessarily have to restart everything though. I think they can get away with a new Batman story that just picks up in the middle of Batman's reign, no origin needed, without it being tied to a previous story. People know the Batman story and mythos by now.

[Tobor]

HULK REBOOTED AFTER ONE MOVIE 1. The Hulk (2003) 1. The Incredible Hulk (2008) And the worst part? It's getting a third reboot... hopefully the third will become a series :/ I really like Mark Ruffalo as Bruce.. however, The Incredible Hulk was actually really good too.. and Edward did an awesome fucking job capturing Bruce.

Ruffalo as Hulk is not a reboot. His Bruce Banner is the same character that was in The Incredible Hulk. You can even see footage from The Incredible Hulk on Tony Stark's monitor at the beginning of The Avengers.

[LOCK]

I don't mind reboots, as long as they are better.

This seems to have helped Batman, Hulk, Xmen, and hopefully Spiderman. What I have seen of the new Spiderman seems more fresh and comic than the originals.

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Watching the Avengers has led me to believe that Hulk is a horrible character on his own, but does just fine when he's paired up with some other characters. I propose no more Hulk films on his own, but drop him into Thor 2 or some other films in the Marvel-verse.

Considering they've also established that some of the bigger, more god-like characters (no spoilers!) exist in the film version of the universe, Hulk could actually get worthy opponents as well.

[Nesotenso]

The only loose tie between the two is that Ang Lee Hulk ends with Banner in South America. Everything else about their stories is completely different.

Marvel wanted to their own production and i know they are not meant to be in continuity with each other but i don't remember them contradicting each other. You could view it as a sequel.

[Nesotenso]

Also, OP said Carnage was the best marvel villain, so this is clearly a joke thread.

This as well. I like Wells recent minis though

[HP_Wuvcraft]

How can the OP forget/leave out the original Superman films?

Five films if you include Superman Returns, which you should. It's very much a sequel.

[ReiGun]

Also, OP said Carnage was the best marvel villain, so this is clearly a joke thread.

I was thinking the same thing. lol

[Kabuki Waq]

Spiderman needed to be rebooted ppl started to look really old and well SM3 really fucked things up.

[Zabka]

This two hours of entertainment isn't related to the two hours you released five years ago? How am I supposed to keep all of this straight? I'm not a scientist!

[Srsly]

I hate it and I don't think I've seen a single one pf these re-re-boots.

[jtb]

I have no problem with reboots (it's like... Bond switching actors). I do have a problem with the fact that superhero movies are becoming more and more derivative, with less and less to say. There's no point for 80% of these movies to exist. Give me my Jesus allegory, my rich-guy-pities-the-poor-Ayn-Rand-wet-dream fantasy, and my coming of age story - anything else usually just treads old ground.

plus, the best superhero movie was already made in '04. It's been all downhill since the Incredibles, which was an incredible dissection of the superhero genre itself. There's not enough story to sustain all this garbage, there never was.

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

BAT MAN We all know TDR is the final movie in.. the trilogy. It's already been revealed after that, they will RE-RE-RE-RE-REBOOT the series... I just don't understand it. The thing that upsets me the most about it... with all comic book movies, is that they reboot them so fucking quickly. For example, the bat universe is HUGE! There are so many stories, villians, heroes, and collaborations that can be covered.. and it'll never fucking happen, know why? because.. REBOOT TIME! With every reboot, they need to REINTRODUCE all the characters that have been introduced in all of the preexsisting movies!

Well, they had Gotham Knight which fleshed out the Universe a bit, plus they'll have some print media that will flesh it out as well. But Nolan's take on Batman is ending because that's the whole story. He encounters a few "supervillains" but not the entire pantheon of villains.

[BlackNMild2k1]

I just wanted to point out ot the OP (as someone else already kinda has) that Marvel is not in charge of most of those Marvel properties that are being rebooted/side-stepped/run into the ground.

X-Men is and all mutants are at the mercy of Fox for the forseeable future
Spiderman is at the mercy of Sony for the foreseeable future as well.

Other properties also fall into these types of forever as long as in production deals, such as Fantastic Four, Ghost Rider and I also think The Punisher.

Marvel may consult on the project, but ultimately they have no say in if it gets made or not.
I really hope that Disney/Marvel use some of that Avengers money to rewrite the deals on some of those properties, such as Spiderman and anything else Sony has their hands on, to ensure that they have a better chance of having the rights revert back to the rightful owner soon (and Sony could use the money).
maybe a clause that states no more reboots, X amount of budget per film and must make a profit or anything other than have a movie in production per every 5 years that sees release or something like that.

[jtb]

I just wanted to point out ot the OP (as someone else already kinda has) that Marvel is not in charge of most of those Marvel properties that are being rebooted/side-stepped/run into the ground. X-Men is and all mutants are at the mercy of Fox for the forseeable future Spiderman is at the mercy of Sony for the foreseeable future as well. Other properties also fall into these types of forever as long as in production deals, such as Fantastic Four, Ghost Rider and I also think The Punisher. Marvel may consult on the project, but ultimately they have no say in if it gets made or not. I really hope that Disney/Marvel use some of that Avengers money to rewrite the deals on some of those properties, such as Spiderman and anything else Sony has their hands on, to ensure that they have a better chance of having the rights revert back to the rightful owner soon (and Sony could use the money). maybe a clause that states no more reboots, X amount of budget per film and must make a profit or anything other than have a movie in production per every 5 years that sees release or something like that.

I'm just curious, why do you think Marvel bringing these properties home, so to speak, will make them better? We've already seen them reboot the Incredible Hulk, which was a commercial and critical failure. (I may be the only person on the planet who legitimately likes that movie - well, the first half of it, anyways). And frankly, of the two main franchises (X-Men, Spiderman) - both of those original sets of films (in particular X-Men 2 and Spiderman 2) are far better than anything Marvel has produced so far. Plus, despite some asinine contracts (I think Fox has to make an X-Men movie every two years otherwise the property expires), they seem to be doing a pretty decent job with them.

[Veelk]

With Nolan's Batman, it's understandable.

His universe is very realistic, so they are limited from the start, and Batman's character has a specific arc to it that has a specific conclusion. Any movie that continues with this story is going to retroactively hurt the previous entries by either breaking the grounded tone that Nolan has set up or messing up Batman's character.

I don't really want another origin story, but Nolan's universe should end with the 3rd movie, and if WB wants to make another Batman movie, then they need to establish a new continuity.

Spiderman doesn't have much of an excuse beyond his last movie being awful, however.

[Kung Fu Jedi]

I'm just curious, why do you think Marvel bringing these properties home, so to speak, will make them better? We've already seen them reboot the Incredible Hulk, which was a commercial and critical failure. (I may be the only person on the planet who legitimately likes that movie - well, the first half of it, anyways). And frankly, of the two main franchises (X-Men, Spiderman) - both of those original sets of films (in particular X-Men 2 and Spiderman 2) are far better than anything Marvel has produced so far. Plus, despite some asinine contracts (I think Fox has to make an X-Men movie every two years otherwise the property expires), they seem to be doing a pretty decent job with them.

Part of the reason is that Marvel is now owned by Disney. They bought the company for a reason and don't want their properties in the hands of rivals. The other reason is that Marvel is now trying to build one big, cohesive universe to set all their heroes in. Imagine Avengers 2 with a Spider-man team-up. Or how about a Hulk vs. Wolverine movie? Once everyone is back under the same umbrella, it could possibly happen.

[CorvoSol]

Wolverine would have been a prequel had it not been received so horribly. So now its a non-canon spinoff. First Class is a canon prequel that nullifies The Last Stand and Wolverine.

Does that mean they can do a better job of the Dark Phoenix Saga this time?

Because seriously, X-3 failed that story so hard.

[Forsaken82]

It hasn't been confirmed that post Nolan batmans will be a reboot has it? For all we know it will still take place in Nolan's Batman universe just with new actors... wouldn't be a first time something like this has happened.

Hell maybe itll be a live action batman beyond in the Nolanverse. Similar to how Xmen First class "rebooted" in the same continuity. Or it could be something similar to The Incredible Hulk where they completely ignore the origin story (which was done only 5 years prior in Ang Lee's version)

Also Keep in mind, Comic Books reboot their franchises on a far more frequent pace.

[jtb]

I just want a badass Superman vs. Batman movie with old Bruce Wayne (with infinite prep time, mind you) kicking the shit out of Superman. don't care if it takes place in the Nolanverse or the Donnerverse - as long as its not in the fucking Burtonverse.

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

It hasn't been confirmed that post Nolan batmans will be a reboot has it? For all we know it will still take place in Nolan's Batman universe just with new actors... wouldn't be a first time something like this has happened. Hell maybe itll be a live action batman beyond in the Nolanverse. Similar to how Xmen First class "rebooted" in the same continuity. Also Keep in mind, Comic Books reboot their franchises on a far more frequent pace.

I think it's been confirmed. I would've loved to see how other villains translated to the Nolanverse Batman, but the movies are really following Bruce's story/character arc. There's the beginning, the middle, and the end. It won't go on forever.

Gotham Knight filled out the gap between BB and TDK. And now TDKR is the final tale of this version of Batman.

[HIGH DEF JEFF]

With Nolan's Batman, it's understandable. His universe is very realistic, so they are limited from the start, and Batman's character has a specific arc to it that has a specific conclusion. Any movie that continues with this story is going to retroactively hurt the previous entries by either breaking the grounded tone that Nolan has set up or messing up Batman's character. I don't really want another origin story, but Nolan's universe should end with the 3rd movie, and if WB wants to make another Batman movie, then they need to establish a new continuity. Spiderman doesn't have much of an excuse beyond his last movie being awful, however.

That comment on the two Nolan Batman films (that we've seen till now) is always good for snicker and a laugh. How are either films realistic? Serious, which we can debate, but realistic...nevah.

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

That comment on the two Nolan Batman films (that we've seen till now) is always good for snicker and a laugh. How are either films realistic? Serious, which we can debate, but realistic...nevah.

They're not realistic, but they have a more grounded/plausible tone to them compared to the Burton/Schumaker films, or the current Marvel films.

[Ra\/en]

did somebody say Reboot?





I'm ok with the superhero reboots. Hulk 2003 was horrible. Batman is a continuing saga. I don't want to have the same actor play batman forever. I think of batman kinda like James Bond. Ongoing character that we all love played by different people.

[Veelk]

That comment on the two Nolan Batman films (that we've seen till now) is always good for snicker and a laugh. How are either films realistic? Serious, which we can debate, but realistic...nevah.

They are realistic in the sense that there are no people with random superpowers nor are there any aliens trying to take over the world. Batman is fighting what can be described as social forces. That things work like they do in real life, like with the microwave machine or the sonar stuff? No, those aren't realistic, but despite that, it's grounded in more realism than pretty much any other superhero movie. So, as far as superhero movies, I think it warrents being called realistic.

[Bootaaay]

I'm so glad Nolan's run is ending. I want to see another take on Batman. Hopefully burton inspired.

Never have I agreed with you more than right now. If it weren't for Oldman & Ledger's performances, Dark Knight wouldn't be anywhere near as highly regarded. Nolan is overrated to the extreme and I miss the dark and brooding Gotham of Burton's Batman, even if the campy performances didn't match.

[teacupcopter]

This thread hurts me from the first line

yo gaf, get this. this isn't about the quality of the movie, if they're good, if they're bad, if you enjoyed them or if you hated it.. this is about the storytelling / reboots

Right here is just some ridiculous shit. How can you say 'stop reboots' if the movies are actually good. Should the Avengers have had the original Hulk? Should Nolan have continued Batman from the TV shows in the 60s? Please tell us what is actually bad about a 'reboot' or 'retelling' of a story. I have my own thoughts on it, however you aren't complaining about the movies in the first place 'rebooting' the canon of the comics/books/source material they are taken from, which is essentially the exact same thing except you are switching mediums.

BAT MAN We all know TDR is the final movie in.. the trilogy. It's already been revealed after that, they will RE-RE-RE-RE-REBOOT the series... I just don't understand it. The thing that upsets me the most about it... with all comic book movies, is that they reboot them so fucking quickly. For example, the bat universe is HUGE! There are so many stories, villians, heroes, and collaborations that can be covered.. and it'll never fucking happen, know why? because.. REBOOT TIME!

Why don't you understand it.

A. The Batman world equals a lot of money
B. If Batman is such a great character and the Batman universe is so rich and diverse, why not let someone else have a crack at it?
C. Do you suggest that Christopher Nolan and Christian Bale simply stick to making batman films for the rest of their career?

I really love how you mention how many characters the batman trilogy haven't done. Yeah, Nolan's Batman universe would really suit so many of them. I'd love to see Poison Ivy or Mr. Freeze fit in the world of Nolan's Gotham. Ugh.

With every reboot, they need to REINTRODUCE all the characters that have been introduced in all of the preexsisting movies!

No they don't, but it's laughable how you call them the same characters. They are totally different characters based off the same archetypes in many examples. Joker from 60s Batman show / Nicholsons Joker/ Ledgers Joker are very different.

Also yeah the Joker may have been used a couple of times but for example Ledgers joker didn't even get an origin! Just right in and boom ready to go.

FFS, Spider Man is being reboot and what, it only started a decade ago!

Admittedly this was quick. This is one of the quicker turnarounds from Origin Story to Origin Story, and we'll see how it will go at the box office because of it.

Lets look at some things Burton's Batman 3.1 Batman (1989) 3.2 Batman Returns (1992) 3.3 Batman Forever (1995) 3.4 Batman & Robin (1997) Is this the longest running superhero movie series? They got to cover so much ground.. it was great.

Yeah because 8 years is such a long time. X-Men/Superman have been running longer. By the finish of it Iron Man will be running as long/avengers in general will be rivalling it. This isn't even touching the fact that Forever and Batman & Robin might as well have been origin-less reboots anyway. For reference, even Pirates of the Caribbean has been running longer than what you just posted.

Then.. we got rebooted in the ass 4.1 Batman Begins (2005) 4.2 The Dark Knight (2008) 4.3 The Dark Knight Rises (2012) TDR series is the best take on the bat universe, everyone agrees... It's the only superhero movie to be truly dark (hehe get it), and they're ending it already... FLESH THAT SHIT OUT, SON

We got 'rebooted in the ass' by good movies that you admit are better anyway - and they are good because they know when to end!

spider man this one both really baffles me and shocks me. This series.. started ONE DECADE AGO! And .. already, it's being rebooted. the spider universe.. it's so full of story and character... with the announcement of every title, I anticipated the reveal of the best villain in the marvel universe, Carnage. After spider man 3, I was sure he'd be in SM4.. especially considering they had covered all of the villains that mattered already. and then, WE GOT REBOOTED :( 2.1.1 Spider-Man (2002) 2.1.2 Spider-Man 2 (2004) 2.1.3 Spider-Man 3 (2007) 2.2.1 The Amazing Spider-Man (2012) 2.2.2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (2014) yo, marony (marvel / sony), it doesn't make it okay to reboot the series so soon just because you renamed the series "the amazing" srsly, all I fucking want out of the spider man is to see CARNAGE on the massive screen.. he deserves it, he the boss!

Spiderman is a quick reboot, no doubt about it. But really you were never going to see anything else come out of the Raimi verse. I'd be 100% fine with the new spidey if it wasn't another origin story. I'm still mostly fine with it.

Also what I don't get is the obsession with Carnage and to a lesser extent Venom. Why is Carnage a good character at all?

I can't go on with the rest of your post. Suffice to say Hulk is barely a reboot from the Ang Lee-norton versions, and it is flat out not a reboot after that. Also Marvel 'rebooted' to Norton so they could establish a tone for the Avengers universe. Punisher just keeps flopping, nothing about the character it's just shit movies. Also good job including one from fucking 1989 on the list.

The main point I don't get is how many times have these characters been rebooted and shit in general

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alterna..._of_Spider-Man

I mean looking at Spider-man JUST IN COMICS (not being rebooted in film, games, novels, comics, etc) we have
Amazing Spiderman
The New Avengers
Avenging Spiderman
Fantastic Four
FF

5 ongoing comics he is in RIGHT NOW (link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Spider-Man_titles)

Let's take a look at how many other reimaginings/reboots/alternative canons there are

[edit]One shots [edit]Mainstream continuity Spider-Man vs. Wolverine (February 1987). Primarily significant for featuring the death of long-time supporting character Ned Leeds. Spider-Man Special Edition: The Trial of Venom (December 1992) The Amazing Spider-Man: Soul of the Hunter (August 1992) Spider-Man/Dr. Strange: The Way to Dusty Death (1992) Spider-Man/Punisher/Sabretooth: Designer Genes (1993) Spider-Man vs. Dracula (January 1994). Reprint of Giant-Size Spider-Man #1 (July 1974). Spider-Man 2099 Meets Spider-Man (1995) Spider-Man: The Jackal Files (August 1995) Spider-Man: Maximum Clonage Alpha (August 1995) Spider-Man: Maximum Clonage Omega (August 1995) Spider-Man: The Parker Years (November 1995) Spider-Man: Holiday Special 1995 (1995) Spider-Man: Legacy of Evil (June 1996) Spider-Man: The Osborn Journal (February 1997) Spider-Man: Dead Man's Hand (April 1997) Spider-Man/Kingpin: To the Death (1997) Spider-Man: The Venom Agenda (January 1998) Spider-Man: Made Men (August 1998) Untold Tales of Spider-Man: Strange Encounter (1998) Spider-Man vs. the Punisher (July 2000) Spider-Man/Marrow (February 2001) Sentry/Spider-Man (February 2001) Spider-Man: Sweet Charity (August 2002) Spider-Man/Daredevil (October 2002). Not to be confused with the Spider-Man/Daredevil limited series. Spider-Man Team-Up Special (May 2005) Spider-Man: Family (2005). Not to be confused with later series of the same title. Web of Romance (February 2006) Spider-Man & Araňa Special: The Hunter Revealed (May 2006) Spider-Man Family: Amazing Friends (October 2006) Spider-Man Family: The Black Costume, Spider-Clan, Spider-Man 2099 (November 2006) Spider-Man: Black and Blue and Read All Over (November 2006) Fallen Son: Spider-Man (July 2007). Spider-Man's segment in Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America Spider-Man: Swing Shift Director's Cut (February 2008) Spider-Man: Fear Itself (March 2009). Not to be confused with a Spider-Man graphic novel of the same title. Spider-Man & the Human Torch in...Bahía De Los Muertos! (May 2009) Timestorm 2009-2099: Spider-Man (August 2009) Dark Reign: The List - Spider-Man (January 2010) Siege: Spider-Man (June 2010) Spider-Man: Origin of the Hunter (June 2010) The Many Loves of the Amazing Spider-Man (July 2010) Spider-Man: Back in Quack (November 2010) Shadowland: Spider-Man (November 2010) Spider-Man vs. Vampires (December 2010) Spectacular Spider-Man #1000 (June 2011) The Amazing Spider-Man: Ends of the Earth (July 2012) [edit]Graphic novels The Amazing Spider-Man: Hooky (1986) (ISBN 8439508662) The Amazing Spider-Man: Parallel Lives (May 1989) (ISBN 0871355736) The Amazing Spider-Man: Spirits of the Earth (1990) (ISBN 0871356929) Spider-Man: Fear Itself (February 1992) (ISBN 0871357526) Spider-Man: Season One (May 2012) (ISBN 0785158200) [edit]Crossovers Spider-Man/Batman (September 1995). Non-canonical. Ultraforce/Spider-Man (January 1996) Spider-Man/Gen¹³ (November 1996) Batman/Spider-Man (1997). Non-canonical. [edit]Other continuities Spider-Man: 101 Ways to End the Clone Saga (January 1997). Parody. Megalomaniacal Spider-Man (June 2002) Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Ultimate Marvel; July 2002). Conclusion to Ultimate Marvel Team-Up The Marvelous Adventures of Gus Beezer with Spider-Man (May 2003) The Marvelous Adventures of Gus Beezer and Spider-Man (February 2004) Stan Lee Meets Spider-Man (November 2006) Spider-Man Mythos (August 2007) Spider-Man: You're Hired! (May 2011)

I submit as my final point that Carnage would be fucking awful on screen. More boring than the baddies in Avengers even.

[cartoon_soldier]

Basically we need good Superhero TV series.

[border]

They are realistic in the sense that there are no people with random superpowers nor are there any aliens trying to take over the world. Batman is fighting what can be described as social forces. That things work like they do in real life, like with the microwave machine or the sonar stuff? No, those aren't realistic, but despite that, it's grounded in more realism than pretty much any other superhero movie. So, as far as superhero movies, I think it warrents being called realistic.

By that same standard, the Joel Schumacher Batman films were also "realistic".

The first two Nolan films seemed pretty grounded....it looks like the third one is going to go off the rails with hovercrafts and the earth imploding and stuff.

[BlackNMild2k1]

I'm just curious, why do you think Marvel bringing these properties home, so to speak, will make them better? We've already seen them reboot the Incredible Hulk, which was a commercial and critical failure. (I may be the only person on the planet who legitimately likes that movie - well, the first half of it, anyways). And frankly, of the two main franchises (X-Men, Spiderman) - both of those original sets of films (in particular X-Men 2 and Spiderman 2) are far better than anything Marvel has produced so far. Plus, despite some asinine contracts (I think Fox has to make an X-Men movie every two years otherwise the property expires), they seem to be doing a pretty decent job with them.

Part of the reason is that Marvel is now owned by Disney. They bought the company for a reason and don't want their properties in the hands of rivals. The other reason is that Marvel is now trying to build one big, cohesive universe to set all their heroes in. Imagine Avengers 2 with a Spider-man team-up. Or how about a Hulk vs. Wolverine movie? Once everyone is back under the same umbrella, it could possibly happen.

@ Kung Fu Jedo - That isn't just part of the reason, that is the main reason.
I would love to see Spiderman be part of the next Avengers movie, or any other number of team-ups that may even span across the Mutant Revolution of the X-men universe.

But to walrus, I didn't mention the X-Men films or Fox in that hypothetical takeback of properties, because I read that Deadpool script and I really really want to see that movie made and starring Ryan Reynolds.
But as others have already pointed out, The Incredible Hulk wasn't really a reboot so much as it was a loose continuation to fit it into the "cinemaverse" that all the rest of The Avengers fit into.
And I think that Marvel has done a great job of bringing everything together into a team-up movie the way they did. It will be nothing short of amazing if they can keep it up going into The Avengers 2.

[DeathNote]

The Batman's are decade(s) old and the later ones sucked.

Spider man sucked.

Hulk Sucked.

Punisher sucked.

I'm all for rebooting until it's right, especially since it's expected from comics anyway.

These aren't some sacred classics. It's like James Bond and Doctor Who.

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

By that same standard, the Joel Schumacher Batman films were also "realistic". The first two Nolan films seemed pretty grounded....it looks like the third one is going to off the rails with hovercrafts and the earth imploding and stuff.

Well, the "hovercraft" is basically just a really versatile helicopter/VTOL craft, I think. The movie takes place eight years after the end of TDK, it's believable that it was in production for that long, but none of the vehicles in the Nolanverse are realistic. I mean, you have a giant tank that can somehow use a tiny thruster and jump the length of a river and you have a motorcycle that can somehow turn and drive sideways despite having anti-aircraft guns attached to the tires.

The earth implosion machine isn't anymore crazy than a fucking microwave emitter that evaporates water with blowing up a human being from the inside-out.

[jtb]

By that same standard, the Joel Schumacher Batman films were also "realistic".

superhero movies are not realistic, full stop. They don't need to be, but you wanna watch a "realistic" superhero movie? go watch drive while blasting "REAL HERO... REAL HUMAN BEING...." because a realistic superhero movie would be the most pathetic, pointless movie on the face of the planet. they don't exist for a reason (because if they did exist, they'd all be diagnosed as sociopaths.) They're fantastical, and that's the least of their problems.

@ Kung Fu Jedo - That isn't just part of the reason, that is the main reason. I would love to see Spiderman be part of the next Avengers movie, or any other number of team-ups that may even span across the Mutant Revolution of the X-men universe. But to walrus, I didn't mention the X-Men films or Fox in that hypothetical takeback of properties, because I read that Deadpool script and I really really want to see that movie made and starring Ryan Reynolds. But as others have already pointed out, The Incredible Hulk wasn't really a reboot so much as it was a loose continuation to fit it into the "cinemaverse" that all the rest of The Avengers fit into. And I think that Marvel has done a great job of bringing everything together into a team-up movie the way they did. It will be nothing short of amazing if they can keep it up going into The Avengers 2.

fair enough, I wasn't a fan of the Avengers but I definitely can understand why an Avengers movie (plus other marvel heroes... silver surfer, spiderman, etc.) could easily get people helped.

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

If superhero films were realistic, they'd be dead in like a day.

[HIGH DEF JEFF]

They are realistic in the sense that there are no people with random superpowers nor are there any aliens trying to take over the world. Batman is fighting what can be described as social forces. That things work like they do in real life, like with the microwave machine or the sonar stuff? No, those aren't realistic, but despite that, it's grounded in more realism than pretty much any other superhero movie. So, as far as superhero movies, I think it warrents being called realistic.

The Punisher (all three) are probably the most realistic..based on your logic. Or Super or Kick-Ass or Defendor.

Nothing about the Batman movies ever looked or felt realistic. They have a serious tone, which people equate with realism.

The Dark Knight's Joker isn't by standard definition, super powered, but boy do his plans work out with Swiss timed perfection. He's like Michael Meyers, anywhere he needs to be, there he is.

Batman isn't super powered but falling from a penthouse apartment and landing safely on the hood of a car seems extra ordinary. Same for jumping off the 4th floor of a parking garage, smashing a roof and windshield of a van and not having your legs crippled out from underneath you.

These are fantasy movies. The characters do extra ordinary things in them. The tone can be serious (Batman) or it can be light (Fantastic Four) or it can be somewhere in the middle (Spider-man, Iron Man). Never are they real.

[jtb]

If superhero films were realistic, they'd be dead in like a day.

yup. And even the comic was far more brutal than the film was. (and I hated the film. though that was partly because it couldn't decide between being satire and playing it straight)

[Slayven]

Wait until movies are Zero Houred.

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

yup. And even the comic was far more brutal than the film was. (and I hated the film. though that was partly because it couldn't decide between being satire and playing it straight)

I hated the comic, but loved the film, hahaha. The comic just goes further into brutality and insanity.

[tdrdrgn]

Back to the Future starring Justin Bieber. Bank on it.

-edit- whoops, didn't realize this was referring to superheroes. Excuse my comment, carry on.

[TheSeks]

When writers shit up a universe by killing off major heroes (Xmen 3), .

I don't recall killing major characters off. Rouge taking the cure in X3 made logical sense in her wanting to be with Bobby/Iceman without killing him.

Also Wolverine wasn't a bad film, but it wasn't a great film either. Outside of X1-3, only First Class stands up in the offshoots on being on their level.

Iron Man pretty good, yeah, because Robert Downey Jr is pretty much Tony Stark, of course.

Punisher 1 wasn't bad, but it wasn't great either.

Batman sorely needed a reboot and Nolan nailed it. Hate the dude as much as you want, but the three new Batman films all look and are good to watch. You can't say the same for the 90's Batman films.

Spiderman is a mixed bag. I can't tell without seeing the reboot. But Spiderman's never been a huge character for me.

As for the rest... can't say. Can't care.

[Weapxn]

I highly doubt they will reboot the Hulk again just because they recast the character. It would mess up the Marvel Cinematic Universe that they are putting a great deal of care into.

And hasn't The Punisher reverted back to Marvel Studios now? Unless I'm wrong, I say go for another reboot. Make a MCU movie out of it and do it right. [EDIT: http://screenrant.com/marvel-comics-...ers-carl-6766/]

Most serious actors, of which RDJ and Johnny Depp are, don't want to play the same character for more than a few films. In the case of Downey, Iron Man resurrected his career, but now he can just about pick the project he wants to do. I'd be surprised if he's Tony Stark again after IM3 and Avengers 2. Then again, the character has made him very rich. He reportedly got points on Avengers, which is the third highest grossing film of all time.

Hasn't he already said that he will continue to play Stark past Iron Man 3? I believe there was an interview about that around the release of Avengers.

[HIGH DEF JEFF]

I don't recall killing major characters off. Rouge taking the cure in X3 made logical sense in her wanting to be with Bobby/Iceman without killing him. Also Wolverine wasn't a bad film, but it wasn't a great film either. Outside of X1-3, only First Class stands up in the offshoots on being on their level. Iron Man pretty good, yeah, because Robert Downey Jr is pretty much Tony Stark, of course. Punisher 1 wasn't bad, but it wasn't great either. Batman sorely needed a reboot and Nolan nailed it. Hate the dude as much as you want, but the three new Batman films all look and are good to watch. You can't say the same for the 90's Batman films. Spiderman is a mixed bag. I can't tell without seeing the reboot. But Spiderman's never been a huge character for me. As for the rest... can't say. Can't care.

Jean Grey
Professor X (at least until the credits ended)
Cyclops

[SalsaShark]

BAT MAN

dont know why I laughed at the space