[Proelite]

Disclaimer: Everything isn't final, but the general range of these system are more or less set in stone.

Durango:
AMD CPU, 6-8 cores
Ram 3-4 GB
AMD GPU
Total processing power 1-1.2 teraflops

Note: I've heard of 8GB ram from reliable people on this form, but a certain, well respected, insider on B3D is certain that 3-4 and 1 teraflops is near final. His information is the most up to date that I've got.

Unreal 4 needing 1 TP is pretty indicative.

It seems that the IGN's 6x more than 360 article isn't that far off, but it's more like 4x 360.

Orbis:
AMD CPU 4 cores x-86
AMD GPU 1150 SPU, 1.8 teraflops, 800 mhz
2GB GDDR5 (unlikely this will be bumped to 4GB)

[JonCha]

I don't know this means.

[Yoshi]

How does this compare to Wii U according to your sources and how do they compare to each others?

[Sho_Nuff82]

I'm going to need to see links for all of this "information."

[Proelite]

Wii-U: PS2 / Dreamcast
Orbis/Durango: Xbox / Gamecube

[Donny Hayabusa]

Orbis? Codename for the PS4? Or what is this about??

[Combichristoffersen]

Orbis? Codename for the PS4? Or what is this about??

Orbis is rumoured to the the codename for PS4, yes.

[Proelite]

I'm going to need to see links for all of this "information."

These are insider information compiled from both Neogaf and B3D. BGAssassin can vouch for the accuracy.

[DXB-KNIGHT]

So only Nintendo will use IBM CPUs?

[Donny Hayabusa]

Orbis is rumoured to the the codename for PS4, yes.

Wasn't it some english town name? Or is my brain failing me?

[Mpl90]

Wii-U: PS2 / Dreamcast Orbis/Durango: Xbox / Gamecube

Mmmmmmmh...so, they shouldn't be SO much more powerful than Wii U.

[Yoshi]

Wii-U: PS2 / Dreamcast Orbis/Durango: Xbox / Gamecube

that would be really close (if it's PS2 that is, or was Dreamcast just underutilised?), wouldn't this be quite uncomfortable for Epic and all the other tech-freak-companies?

[Prezhulio]

i figured the thread titles for the respective systems, both of which contain this rumoured information, would have been sufficient. but, carry on.

[Combichristoffersen]

Wasn't it some english town name? Or is my brain failing me?

Can't say I've ever heard any English town name used as a codename for the PS4.

[tapedeck]

So, is it hard to get 4 gigs of GDDR5 on a board or something?

Disclaimer: I know nothing about this shit.

[Misterhbk]

Mmmmmmmh...so, they shouldn't be SO much more powerful than Wii U.

The ports will be horrible though. Remember playing through the resident evil 4 port on PS2. Played like crap compared to the GameCube version.

[NutJobJim]

If that is true then hope they are affordable (no more than $350 at launch).

[sTeLioSco]

bravo amd................

[shinobi602]

Looks like PS4's GPU trumps the Xbox's this time.

[KageMaru]

Sorry but this isn't accurate at all. We don't know how current the source for these rumors are. That 720 documentation is proven old, out dated, and likely not created by anyone with any engineering background. Also estimating something like FLOP count is especially silly at this time.

[Sho_Nuff82]

Can't say I've ever heard any English town name used as a codename for the PS4.

He's thinking of Liverpool.

[Zoramon089]

Note: I've heard of 8GB ram from reliable people on this form, but a certain, well respected, insider on B3D is certain that 3-4 and 1 teraflops is near final. His information is the most up to date that I've got.

LOL

[Combichristoffersen]

He's thinking of Liverpool.

Oh, right, the codename for the rumoured PS4 APU.

[2MF]

If these specs are even close to being true a lot of folks are going to be disappointed here.

I am a bit surprised that PS4's GPU is shown as almost 2x as powerful as the 720's though.

[V_Ben]

If the next PlayStation has half the ram of the next xbox, I bet Sony is going to love getting inferior multiplatform ports again... Of course, I know bugger all about this stuff. I mean, the total teraflops on Orbis is higher than on Durango according to the OP. I have no idea.

[gatti-man]

If those specs are true ms will bomb next gen. 2gb ram with almost twice gpu power is huge for sony.

[amstradcpc]

If those specs are near the true let´s start thinking about buying a new PC this year, as we won´t have to upgrade in years...

[Proelite]

Sorry but this isn't accurate at all. We don't know how current the source for these rumors are. That 720 documentation is proven old, out dated, and likely not created by anyone with any engineering background. Also estimating something like FLOP count is especially silly at this time.

Nothing in the op comes from the leaked doc. The people that wrote the leaked doc weren't engineers.

[2+2=5]

Reliable? LOL
"Reliable" and "rumor" don't stick together in these times.

[wsippel]

Wasn't it some english town name? Or is my brain failing me?

I think you mean Oban, which was rumored to be the Xbox SoC.

Edit: Or Liverpool.

[Proelite]

If those specs are true ms will bomb next gen.

720p 30fps.

[Forsaken82]

If that is true then hope they are affordable (no more than $350 at launch).

They will still be 399.99 minimum... Perhaps 199.99 with a 2 year plan

[sTeLioSco]

If those specs are near the true let´s start thinking about buying a new PC this year, as we won´t have to upgrade in years...

correct.
after the first benchmarks for multiplatform next-gen games come out,buy a graphic card that can play them and your next pc-built(if you dont want higher resolutions) will probably be needed after 5/6 years.

but by then everything will be cloud based....

[Fourth Storm]

So, is it hard to get 4 gigs of GDDR5 on a board or something? Disclaimer: I know nothing about this shit.

They would need to use 16 chips. For comparison's sake, the 360 uses 8.

[Fancy Corndog]

What's the significance of the RAM difference between Orbis and Durango? It looks like Durango will have quantity, and Orbis will have quality. What's the idea behind going for the GDDR5 RAM on Sony's part? Speculate on whether that's a good or bad decision?

edit: I appreciate what you're doing here. It's worthwhile for someone who has an idea of what they're talking about and has seen all of the 'possibilities' and their sources to compile the most realistic set of data.

[Thunder Monkey]

As stated in the OP this would be much closer to the first rumors, than the most recent.

I always thought the first lessons were practical applications learned from the Wii. A fairly impressive bit of kit, not pushing boundaries but cheap to produce, and still the requisite tech bump. Hopefully with reliability on its side.

I wouldn't be hurting for it. Anything designed after 2005 is going to seem like a huge increase anyway. Time and budget permitting.

[darkside31337]

If those specs are true ms will bomb next gen. 2gb ram with almost twice gpu power is huge for sony.

For somebody who knows nothing about this stuff, how does this work? I always see people whining about more ram, how is 2 GB a good thing?

[Lonely1]

What's the significance of the RAM difference between Orbis and Durango? It looks like Durango will have quantity, and Orbis will have quality. What's the idea behind going for the GDDR5 RAM on Sony's part? Speculate on whether that's a good or bad decision?

But is likely that Durango will have a significant heavier OS (Win 8?) since looks like MS is really aiming at a media box rather than a games consoles. (Relative) weak GPU but significantly more RAM and a strong CPU hints at this.

[Horse Armour]

Cool, it's nice to see GAF posters with absolutely no proven ties to the industry get to have threads made about their completely baseless speculations. Can we please keep BGAssassin/StevieP's predictions in the relevant threads without inflating these people's egos even further?

[MeBecomingI]

Every rumour seems to point to the "Orbis" having 2GB of RAM, but if that were to be true, it better get some more. 2GB just won't be enough for next-gen stuff. Not sure about the details between the CPU and GPU between the two are, but I think any advantage Sony would get over Microsoft would be nullified by the lack of RAM.

[Fourth Storm]

What's the significance of the RAM difference between Orbis and Durango? It looks like Durango will have quantity, and Orbis will have quality. What's the idea behind going for the GDDR5 RAM on Sony's part? Speculate on whether that's a good or bad decision?

Where have we heard Durango isn't using GDDR5?

But in a nutshell, GDDR5 provides more memory bandwidth (about 2x DDR3) which translates to better performance in gaming. Memory bandwidth comes in handy, especially when you're dealing w/ a large amount of HD textures.

[darkwing]

based on this, Durango > Orbis?

[FoneBone]

I thought the rumors were pointing to Orbis being significantly less powerful than Durango?

[2MF]

They would need to use 16 chips. For comparison's sake, the 360 uses 8.

Are you sure?

It seems like 4 memory chips in these pics:

http://beta.ivc.no/wiki/index.php/Xbox_360_Revisions

[Thunder Monkey]

Cool, it's nice to see GAF posters with absolutely no proven ties to the industry get to have threads made about their completely baseless speculations. Can we please keep BGAssassin/StevieP's predictions in the relevant threads without inflating these people's egos even further?

Everybody always has to be so confrontational.

*sad monkey face*

[Proelite]

I thought the rumors were pointing to Orbis being significantly less powerful than Durango?

Nope. Significantly less ram though.

Durango needs that extra ram and cpu power for Kinect, OS and apps.

[ElFly]

What's the significance of the RAM difference between Orbis and Durango? It looks like Durango will have quantity, and Orbis will have quality. What's the idea behind going for the GDDR5 RAM on Sony's part? Speculate on whether that's a good or bad decision? edit: I appreciate what you're doing here. It's worthwhile for someone who has an idea of what they're talking about and has seen all of the 'possibilities' and their sources to compile the most realistic set of data.

Maybe Durango will have split memory pools? 2GB of GDDR5 and 2GB of something else, guessing DDR4?

[Fourth Storm]

Are you sure? It seems like 4 memory chips in these pics: http://beta.ivc.no/wiki/index.php/Xbox_360_Revisions

Look down a bit further in that link. There are 4 more on the underside of the motherboard.

[Father_Brain]

I thought the rumors were pointing to Orbis being significantly less powerful than Durango?

That was how I had been interpreting the rumors of Microsoft caving into Epic et al. and significantly boosting Durango's specs, but apparently it just referred to RAM, I guess?

[Hix]

based on this, Durango > Orbis?

For CPU and RAM Durango > Orbis.
For GPU Orbis > Durango.
Probably equal, all things considered.

That said, contrary to the thread title, there's nothing reliable about this speculation at all.