[Shogmaster]

More than 5% of iPad sales

Pro will do that.

[Hoo-doo]

Pro will do that.

You think?

[Shogmaster]

Ya.

[coldfoot]

How many cars are sold a year that later are found to have defects and need service for it.

Not 40-50M like the iPad.

How about the antenna problems with the iPhone?

Again an overblown issue. I got an OG iPhone 4 and it never did that.

[brotkasten]

Again an overblown issue. I got an OG iPhone 4 and it never did that.

So Apple redesigned the antenna to shut up the media? Alright.

[Frustrated_me]

I've had an Iphone since day 1 of it's release, to say that the antenna problems wasn't an 'issue' is just plain out wrong. Since my first days with the Nokia 5190 to my current Iphone 4S, that antenna design flaw was the single most annoying issue I experienced with mobile phones. You lost bars holding the damn phone, heh...

[coldfoot]

So Apple redesigned the antenna to shut up the media? Alright.

The issue could be avoided with holding it differently, I never had to pay attention to how I was holding the phone though, because my iPhone never goes commando, so my hands were unable to touch the parts that shorted out the antenna...

Still not as much of a liability as something that will give you third degree burns if you hold it with that 80C x86 processor.

[numble]

So Apple redesigned the antenna to shut up the media? Alright.

I thought they needed to redesign it to accomodate CDMA and HSPA+.

[scorcho]

so is this a thread about the Surface Pro, or coldfoot? i'm lost.

[LyleLanley]

Are people really arguing that the iPad gets too hot under normal use?

[Frustrated_me]

The issue could be avoided with holding it differently, I never had to pay attention to how I was holding the phone though, because my iPhone never goes commando, so my hands were unable to touch the parts that shorted out the antenna... .

You never had the issue on your phone, you dont know how annoying it was. Also because you never had the issue to begin with, its easy to say "you're holding the phone wrong" how the fuck am i supposed to hold it?

It was a design flaw, dont deny it and move on.

[Complex Shadow]

so is this a thread about the Surface Pro, or coldfoot? i'm lost.

i am starting to think we need an OT just for cooldfoot.

"Cooldfoot |OT| feet and brains sold separately."

[scorcho]

Are people really arguing that the iPad gets too hot under normal use?

i dunno. i'm still vexed by my MBP giving me third degree burns the last time i tried opening a web page.

[Marty Chinn]

Again an overblown issue. I got an OG iPhone 4 and it never did that.

So the Apple gave out millions of dollars worth of cases, had a press conference to address the issue, and then redesigned it, but there was no issue? I bet there was no issue with the Xbox 360 either since Microsoft gave even less of a response than Apple did.

[numble]

So the Apple gave out millions of dollars worth of cases, had a press conference to address the issue, and then redesigned it, but there was no issue? I bet there was no issue with the Xbox 360 either since Microsoft gave even less of a response than Apple did.

Microsoft spent $1.05 billion-$1.15 billion to address it. Almost a Yammer's worth of attention.

[LyleLanley]

How is this an argument? The iPhone 4 had a design flaw that resulted in a noticeable problem for a lot of people and is in almost no way comparable to the new iPad being slightly warmer than its predecessor.

[Marty Chinn]

Microsoft spent $1.05 billion-$1.15 billion to address it. Almost a Yammer's worth of attention.

I meant how they addressed the response to the public. They didn't go about a press conference to head on address the issue let alone address it in a timely manner.

[Zabka]

The new iPad can get pretty hot after web browsing for a while but I use it in a case so it don't bother me none.

[scorcho]

getting back to the Surface - MS has a great opportunity with the device supposing their engineering is up to snuff (in other words - having Apple-esque standards). i'm willing to throw money at a device with the Surface's form-factor that gives me the ability to quickly edit several large AVCHD shoots in Premiere or to pair with my DSLR on remotes. i enjoy working in OSX, but i'm not beholden to it as the apps i use the most offer excellent cross-platform experiences (Adobe CS5.5, Lightroom, Office, SublimeText, Firefox).

to then be able to dock this device at work/home and expand it with a RAID setup with a larger monitor, wacom tablet, etc. would be golden. of course battery life will be an issue, but the gains that Intel has made in this area the last few years has been impressive.

i'm interested in the Metro UI and how it's integrated, but haven't tried it and will reserve judgement on it till i get around to upgrading my machines once it's released.

[rezuth]

The iPad shuts down if it gets to hot. The article you linked to states it gets to hot to hold more than briefly and another poster said that happens with less than an hour of game play.

It never said such a thing.

[JaggedSac]

getting back to the Surface - MS has a great opportunity with the device supposing their engineering is up to snuff (in other words - having Apple-esque standards). i'm willing to throw money at a device with the Surface's form-factor that gives me the ability to quickly edit several large AVCHD shoots in Premiere or to pair with my DSLR on remotes. i enjoy working in OSX, but i'm not beholden to it as the apps i use the most offer excellent cross-platform experiences (Adobe CS5.5, Lightroom, Office, SublimeText, Firefox).

Definitely a good use case for me getting a Pro.

[Fusebox]

Are people really arguing that the iPad gets too hot under normal use?

Only the people that have never used an iPad.

[eastmen]

It never said such a thing.

well

“felt very warm but not especially uncomfortable if held for a brief period,”

It reads that if held for longer than a brief period it would be uncomfortable to hold. So there you go.

[coldfoot]

Only the people that have never used an iPad.

This...the new ipad does not get uncomfortably hot under any circumstances in my experience including prolonged 3D gaming.

[bloodydrake]

so is this a thread about the Surface Pro, or coldfoot? i'm lost.

Hey every "X" brand thread needs a "Y" brand fan to come in and shit all over it..its the way of things.

Would a GTA thread be complete without a Saints Row fan ridiculing GTA for being pretentious ?

Would a Nintendo thread be complete without and Xbot laughing saying everything Nintendo does is childish..

The MS surface thread has Coldfoot..at least its pretty overt.

[Milhouse31]

Rumors time

HP said to dump Microsoft over Surface WART is no longer welcome at most OEMs Yes, if rumors SemiAccurate hears are true, a whole flock of formerly close Microsoft partners just decided that their new best friend is now Google, Microsoft is no longer relevant to computing’s future. Most were debating whether or not to bother with WART (Windows on Arm RT) devices, and struggling to find a reason to do so. Then Microsoft just unveiled one of the largest and most unethical industrial espionage campaigns of the last few decades, so it is no surprise that everyone is jumping ship.

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/06/29/h...WtA.hackernews

[RukusProvider]

MS would be actually wise to run their own HW/SW platform for a tablet. Android has proven what a nightmare scenario OEM's can be.

[Yoshiya]

Never trust Charlie.

[JaggedSac]

If you haven’t been following the news, Microsoft handcuffed both ARM chipmakers and OEMs with their brilliant two device per chipmaker strategy. Then, they ‘worked closely’ with all the OEMs, ‘helping’ them with their designs. As soon as those designs were essentially finalized, Microsoft did their own device that paid homage to their OEMs most innovative features. It is also a direct competitor to those OEMs, and was designed knowing exactly where their weaknesses were. To rub salt in to the wounds, Microsoft isn’t bound by the same restrictions they imposed on the OEMs, that would make them have an… err… actually quite unpalatable device. On top of doing what they wouldn’t allow others to, Microsoft jacked the price of WART licenses up with a questionably legal monopolistic bundle to about 3x what the same OEMs would pay for a full version of Windows 8 that does much more.

lolwut, this site is nuts.

[Raistlin]

Rumors time http://semiaccurate.com/2012/06/29/h...WtA.hackernews

Good luck with that now that Google is doing the same thing (and apparently working on a 10" as well).




It's interesting that when we look back on this era in the future, it will be the iPad - a device so many joked was a glorified phone and has no use - that effectively broke the OEM model for CE devices that aren't phones.

[Milhouse31]

Good luck with that now that Google is doing the same thing (and apparently working on a 10" as well).

Google works with different OEM for the Nexus line not exactly the same thing.

[numble]

Good luck with that now that Google is doing the same thing (and apparently working on a 10" as well). It's interesting that when we look back on this era in the future, it will be the iPad - a device so many joked was a glorified phone and has no use - that effectively broke the OEM model for CE devices that aren't phones.

Google shuffles OEMs around for Nexus devices, and gives the OEM equal billing (even allowing the Nexus brand to be subordinate to the Galaxy brand). Which OEM is building the Surface?

[Raistlin]

Google works with different OEM for the Nexus line not exactly the same thing.

Google shuffles OEMs around for Nexus devices, and gives the OEM equal billing (even allowing the Nexus brand to be subordinate to the Galaxy brand). Which OEM is building the Surface?

And we know that will happen with their tablets? Is the impact any less real to the OEM's that aren't working on Nexus?

This isn't the same thing as phones, where plenty are selling regardless of the existence of a Nexus line. Moreover, have all of the Nexus phones been sold at cost or below?


My comment is in reference to HP moving to Android for tablets since they feel MS is stepping on their toes for RT. Is HP making a Nexus tablet? Can they make a tablet and sell it at or below cost? What Google is doing is directly relevant to the HP rumor whether or not its execution is identical to MS or not.

[Stinkles]

This...the new ipad does not get uncomfortably hot under any circumstances in my experience including prolonged 3D gaming.

ditto, but my MacBook pro does.

[dream]

HP says they're focusing on the x86 version of Windows 8.

[numble]

And we know that will happen with their tablets? Is the impact any less real to the OEM's that aren't working on Nexus? This isn't the same thing as phones, where plenty are selling regardless of the existence of a Nexus line. Moreover, have all of the Nexus phones been sold at cost or below? My comment is in reference to HP moving to Android for tablets since they feel MS is stepping on their toes for RT. Is HP making a Nexus tablet? Can they make a tablet and sell it at or below cost? What Google is doing is directly relevant to the HP rumor whether or not its execution is identical to MS or not.

OEMs can be more comfortable with a platform owner that offers the OS for free and occasionally partners with different OEMs, compared to a platform owner that charges you for the OS and is a manufacturer in its own right.

[bloodydrake]

yep they're gonna do what most are ..release A low end Clover Trail version and a probably a highend i5 one later

I've been mulling over it before.. really whats the point of the arm version if the Clovertrail x86 can do everything it can in metro equally as well and more by having legacy x86 support..even if its slower then i5.

[dream]

And let's not forget the exorbitant licensing fee for Windows RT, which makes it prohibitively expensive for any OEM to try to actually make a profit on their RT tablets.

[itxaka]

This...the new ipad does not get uncomfortably hot under any circumstances in my experience including prolonged 3D gaming.

Mine does with some apps.

[Hex]

I have dug through as much of the thread as I could since the last time I looked.
Have we had any word on battery life as of yet?
(I know prices are a no show so far)

[Raistlin]

OEMs can be more comfortable with a platform owner that offers the OS for free and occasionally partners with different OEMs, compared to a platform owner that charges you for the OS and is a manufacturer in its own right.

To be fair while Google is not charging for the OS, OEM's still have to pay royalties to MS, etc. for its usage. Granted that cost isn't as high as RT I'd imagine.

What we don't know however is the pricing for Surface. Google is subsidizing the Nexus 7 which makes it impossible to compete at that tier. It's unclear whether MS will do the same.


The point is, are you actually trying to argue that OEM's are not concerned about what Google is doing? Including rumors they're heading into 10" tablets as well? Certainly it could come down to a lesser of two evils scenario (and until we know pricing and see what Google does with 10" models, we don't really know which is lesser), but it's silly to act like things haven't changed for both platforms. And it's equally silly to pretend OEM's aren't concerned about Google.

[bloodydrake]

arm and atom are looking for 9hrs ish..
everyone is only expecting 6hrs ish for the i5 pro..but its all speculative at this point.

[AlanzTalon]

MS would be actually wise to run their own HW/SW platform for a tablet. Android has proven what a nightmare scenario OEM's can be.

I agree. if they are even going to come close to carving off mindshare/sales from iPad this thing needs to be dialed in top to bottom. if they saw a bunch of half-assed android-style tabs with a different OS image at these OEMs they must have known the OS wasn't going to make it on the bad hardware.

I think MS needs to go full on treating the Surface as a true leg of their CE device stable with as much support as Xbox gets. That is the only way it even sniffs iPads numbers.

No one wanted to buy the HP tablet anyway.

[Yoshiya]

And we know that will happen with their tablets? Is the impact any less real to the OEM's that aren't working on Nexus? This isn't the same thing as phones, where plenty are selling regardless of the existence of a Nexus line. Moreover, have all of the Nexus phones been sold at cost or below?

This time Google doesn't care - the Android tablet market is dead (the Fire isn't of interest to them), and what miserable sales are made come from either Asus or Motorola. Neither party there is going to complain about the Nexus 7.

Edit: Too tired to think/type.

[Raistlin]

This time doesn't care - the Android tablet market is dead (the Fire isn't of interest to them), and what miserable sales are made come from either Asus or Motorola. Neither party there is going to complain about the Nexus 7.

Okay that's fine ... except the rumor being argued is that HP is moving to Android for tablets.

[Yoshiya]

Okay that's fine ... except the rumor being argued is that HP is moving to Android for tablets.

In which case HP is probably pleased that Google is making an effort to revive Android as a tablet platform. 7" tablets are consumption devices, something more of interest to Google/Amazon than the HPs of the industry. I doubt there would be much competition.

[Raistlin]

In which case HP is probably pleased that Google is making an effort to revive Android as a tablet platform. 7" tablets are consumption devices, something more of interest to Google/Amazon than the HPs of the industry. I doubt there would be much competition.

I agree 7" are more suited for such usage. The problem is there are now rumors of Google working on a 10" as well (and not just random speculation - it looks like there's a paper trail for panel orders).

[PG2G]

To be fair while Google is not charging for the OS, OEM's still have to pay royalties to MS, etc. for its usage. Granted that cost isn't as high as RT I'd imagine.

Not to mention, don't they have to pay Google for access to Google applications (including the market)?

Also

The HP spokesperson also confirmed that the decision to stick with Intel-compatible PCs had nothing to do with Surface. It had made this decision previously, and reports suggesting otherwise are incorrect, HP says.

[Copernicus]

WART, what an appropriate acronym.

Okay that's fine ... except the rumor being argued is that HP is moving to Android for tablets.

Really? This is hilariously ironic.

[dream]

Coco, do you think Microsoft even wants third parties to make Windows RT tablets?