[f0lken]

It (RT) is doomed anyway. Its basically the TouchPad 2.0 (without the $99 madness)

Yeah, I think MS should encourage the OEMs to prioritize cheap Windows 8 Atom tablets over ARM

[Shogmaster]

I'd do a 30 day. I believe it will be $800 for the low end Surface pro with no wacom pen (sold seperately) and ivy bridge. If an announcement comes out that it will be using haswell then I will agree with you on the $850 + price point. Ban will be the day the announce the price or the day it releases ?

Haswell? Are you high? It's Ivy Bridge.

Haswell or no, it's on like donky kong! 30 day ban. If I win, I can opt to give you a choice of different punishment. If you win, it's 30 day ban for me. You win if Surface Pro comes out at less than $850 MSRP (no online coupons or specials or whatever sales deals) with any configuration.

Nooooo, don't ban Shog, he needs to review the note 10.1!

No need for worries. This is like taking candy from a baby. :D

[Stinkles]

I mean, outside of the keyboard screen cover... it doesnt do anything special, its a tablet... and it looks like most of thw windows tablets were going to look like. (Rectangles with a windows button)

It has a nice well understood UI and a big infrastructure and the most popular office software in the world?

I should note I work for MS in a different division, as full disclosure, but those are just the reasons I am looking forward to buying one. I'm not shilling, I have an iPad, but I also actually really want a Surface and will likely have to pay full whack for one.

[numble]

So you lose if it is 849.99?

[Shogmaster]

So you lose if it is 849.99?

Yep.

[tino]

It has a nice well understood UI and a big infrastructure and the most popular office software in the world? I should note I work for MS in a different division, as full disclosure, but those are just the reasons I am looking forward to buying one. I'm not shilling, I have an iPad, but I also actually really want a Surface and will likely have to pay full whack for one.

Aren't you guys supposed to get one for free? God Steve is cheap.

[Shogmaster]

Aren't you guys supposed to get one for free? God Steve is cheap.

I think Frankie has enough pull for a free one. He's just being coy. ;)

[Stinkles]

I think Frankie has enough pull for a free one. He's just being coy. ;)

I wish.

[Shogmaster]

I wish.

Send Mister Chief on a procurement mission.

[xValentine]

Hmm so Win 8 Pro tablet in Oct. http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/8/322...nkpad-tablet-2

Man, I still don't get the appeal of that UI.

[The Abominable Snowman]

Wow, so it's possible Chinese OEMs could beat other big names to the field with Windows 8 Ivy Bridge tablets?

[Anton Sugar]

There's nothing innovative about selling a computer with a floppy keyboard for a thousand bucks.

Holy shit, you got to use it? How did it feel?

[Heretic]

Man, I still don't get the appeal of that UI.

Wait till you use it. I'm looking forward to it!

[Zabka]

10 hours on an x86 device? I don't believe it.

[Complex Shadow]

I drop bombs son.

if by that you mean, you can't comprehend what constitutes as unreasonable pricing for early adopters. then yes you're dropping bombs.

10 hours on an x86 device? I don't believe it.

[avatar quote]

[border]

Haswell or no, it's on like donky kong! 30 day ban. If I win, I can opt to give you a choice of different punishment. If you win, it's 30 day ban for me. You win if Surface Pro comes out at less than $850 MSRP (no online coupons or specials or whatever sales deals)

Screw the ban bet - whoever loses should have to buy a Surface Pro for the winner (or face a permaban). ;)

I don't think the mods here enforce/support ban bets either way, so it will be on your honor to uphold a self-imposed ban.

I think it's really charitable to assume that just because MS said that the device would be "comparable to ultra books", that means it will be as cheap as the lowest-priced ultra book.

[tino]

Wow, so it's possible Chinese OEMs could beat other big names to the field with Windows 8 Ivy Bridge tablets?

There are already 2 announced. Acer w510 and Lenovo Tablet 2. Hopeful something from Asus too. Lenovo is probably too expensive for me.

[Damon Bennet]

There are already 2 announced. Acer w510 and Lenovo Tablet 2. Hopeful something from Asus too. Lenovo is probably too expensive for me.

are you sure that tablet 2 is not based on atom?

[tino]

are you sure that tablet 2 is not based on atom?

I thought he was talking about Atom tablets. I don't follow intel code names.

[Damon Bennet]

I thought he was talking about Atom tablets. I don't follow intel code names.

Ivy Bridge: High End Intel

Clovertrail: Next Atom Version in most WIn8 Tablets.


Nobody knows how good clovertrail will be, though

[yn-neko hates a cat]

Still no talk about how much ram we can expect on these Pro versions? Is it a safe assumption that all Windows 8 x86 tablets will run 64-bit versions of Windows 8... hell, will there even be none-ARM 32 bit versions of Windows 8?

[brotkasten]

There are already 2 announced. Acer w510 and Lenovo Tablet 2. Hopeful something from Asus too. Lenovo is probably too expensive for me.

The ThinkPad Tablet 2 is Atom.

[SquiddyCracker]

Hm, how do you guys think the Surface tablet (and other metro tablets) compare with the new Samsung Note 10.1 as a sketch/note taking device?

[Damon Bennet]

Hm, how do you guys think the Surface tablet (and other metro tablets) compare with the new Samsung Note 10.1 as a sketch/note taking device?

handwriting in windows is pretty good. you open onenote, start to write down stuff with the pen and you can actually search for your contents later. so good. onenote in general is pretty great

[Divvy]

Hm, how do you guys think the Surface tablet (and other metro tablets) compare with the new Samsung Note 10.1 as a sketch/note taking device?

Well any win8 pro is going to have an advantage since it can run full fledged art programs like photoshop and painter (if it's powerful enough to run it properly). Though the Note does have sketchbook as well.

[brotkasten]

Still no talk about how much ram we can expect on these Pro versions? Is it a safe assumption that all Windows 8 x86 tablets will run 64-bit versions of Windows 8... hell, will there even be none-ARM 32 bit versions of Windows 8?

Lenovo ships the TPT2 with only 2 GB RAM and yes, there's still a 32-bit version of Windows 8. You can thank Intel for that.

[Amory]

I love the look of this thing. Really gonna consider buying one.


...it's gonna bomb though, isn't it?

[eastmen]

Haswell? Are you high? It's Ivy Bridge. Haswell or no, it's on like donky kong! 30 day ban. If I win, I can opt to give you a choice of different punishment. If you win, it's 30 day ban for me. You win if Surface Pro comes out at less than $850 MSRP (no online coupons or specials or whatever sales deals) with any configuration. No need for worries. This is like taking candy from a baby. :D

I haven't agreed to that. Stakes need to be up front or no dice

[numble]

I haven't agreed to that. Stakes need to be up front or no dice

It's a 30 day ban or an alternative choice that you can say no too.

[Magic Ovaries]

Here's a video of the new Leveno win 8 tablet, complete with a freeze/crash. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANZOh...e_gdata_player

[JaggedSac]

Here's a video of the new Leveno win 8 tablet, complete with a freeze/crash. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANZOh...e_gdata_player

lol, looks like desktop orientation changes need some work.

[-Pyromaniac-]

Holy shit, you got to use it? How did it feel?

no one got to use it, it's vaporware.

if by that you mean, you can't comprehend what constitutes as unreasonable pricing for early adopters. then yes you're dropping bombs. [avatar quote]

just don't get what's so good about a 1000 dollar computer. I mean it better be beyond fucking amazing at that price.

[Dreams-Visions]

If the surface pro isn't 450 or less then microsoft has failed the tech industry.

BWAHAHAHAHAHHA

Here's a video of the new Leveno win 8 tablet, complete with a freeze/crash. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANZOh...e_gdata_player

looks nice. but we need pricing.

[a secret-boss]

I really want to jump on this day 1, but if I wait couple of months manufacturers will make better tablets.

maybe one geared for digital drawing

[tino]

I think this is what the tablet market will play out for the rest of the year:

Aug: Galaxy Note 10.1 release (really late, why didn't they upgrade the screen resolution?)
Aug end: Galaxy Note 2 announce
Early Sep: I am guessing MS sneak in the Surface RT accessories/price announcement here
Sep 12: iPad mini (and release?)
Oct 26: Surface RT release,
Also release: Asus RT tablet, Lenovo Atom tablet 2, Acer Atom 10" tablet w510, Dell Latitute 10 Atom tablet (probably also a crappy HP Slate 2? )

Who else in the RT club again? Samsung?
So far Samsung is the only one who hasn't shown its hand. What's the chance of a i5 tablet announcement to shock the world? Probably not very high.

Jan 2013: RT license restriction lifted (haha like who cares)
Jan 2013: Surface Pro release.

[SquiddyCracker]

Well any win8 pro is going to have an advantage since it can run full fledged art programs like photoshop and painter (if it's powerful enough to run it properly). Though the Note does have sketchbook as well.

What about the Win8 RT tablet?
Seeing as that one is more likely to end up in the same price range of the Samsung Note 10.1 (500-600 dollars).

[brotkasten]

Here's a video of the new Leveno win 8 tablet, complete with a freeze/crash. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANZOh...e_gdata_player

Thank you for linking this video. The Windows everyone knows and loves is still there. I hope the bitching will stop now.

[Divvy]

What about the Win8 RT tablet? Seeing as that one is more likely to end up in the same price range of the Samsung Note 10.1 (500-600 dollars).

Well that entirely depends on what apps come out on the windows store. It won't be able to run all the desktop art programs.

[eastmen]

I think this is what the tablet market will play out for the rest of the year: Aug: Galaxy Note 10.1 release (really late, why didn't they upgrade the screen resolution?) Aug end: Galaxy Note 2 announce Early Sep: I am guessing MS sneak in the Surface RT accessories/price announcement here Sep 12: iPad mini (and release?) Oct 26: Surface RT release, Also release: Asus RT tablet, Lenovo Atom tablet 2, Acer Atom 10" tablet w510, Dell Latitute 10 Atom tablet (probably also a crappy HP Slate 2? ) Who else in the RT club again? Samsung? So far Samsung is the only one who hasn't shown its hand. What's the chance of a i5 tablet announcement to shock the world? Probably not very high. Jan 2013: RT license restriction lifted (haha like who cares) Jan 2013: Surface Pro release.

Surface pro in march with haswell

[Shogmaster]

I haven't agreed to that. Stakes need to be up front or no dice

Like numble said, it's your option.

What about the Win8 RT tablet? Seeing as that one is more likely to end up in the same price range of the Samsung Note 10.1 (500-600 dollars).

WinRT can't run X86 apps.

[tino]

Like numble said, it's your option.

Just tell him what it is, sp he can sleep at night. Tell him you get to name his first kid or something (this wage is an actual bet between two movie critics)

[Troll]

What would it take to get a Windows 8 OT 'round here?

[Fraull]

Partners better make better products than the surface instead of half assing most of the stuff they make. Microsoft also needs to do good with the surface or else windows 8 tablets are gonna stay in the dust.

[Windu]

What would it take to get a Windows 8 OT 'round here?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=476172

[Troll]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=476172

ty

[Shogmaster]

Just tell him what it is, sp he can sleep at night. Tell him you get to name his first kid or something (this wage is an actual bet between two movie critics)

What's the fun in that? Besides, he can always opt for the 30 days self ban.

[SquiddyCracker]

WinRT can't run X86 apps.

And probably won't have as wide-spread support as Android, right?
Well, it looks like Note is the way to go then at a $500 budget.

[tino]

And probably won't have as wide-spread support as Android, right? Well, it looks like Note is the way to go then at a $500 budget.

You should wait for the Lenovo Tablet 2 price. Its an atom tablet that has battery life almost as long as the note; has pen support and runs real photoshop; plus you can dualboot Android.

Really the only down side is shorter battery life and maybe 100 more expensive.

[Divvy]

You should wait for the Lenovo Tablet 2 price. Its an atom tablet that has battery life almost as long as the note; has pen support and runs real photoshop; plus you can dualboot Android. Really the only down side is shorter battery life and maybe 100 more expensive.

You can?

[tino]

You can?

All Atom netbooks can as far as I know.