[PhoenixPause]

PD hit nothing on the head. He's the best of a terrible field, the remains of a circus act. He's no means to an end, he's all they got.

You're missing the point. It's not that Romney is the last man standing, it's that there is no love whatsoever for him among the base; in many ways they despise him, but will support him simply to defeat Obama. We would not be seeing this if Santorum was the nominee.

Conservatives will fall in life if Romney wins. That being said, they won't keep in line the same way they did under Bush (unless we get hit with a terrorist attack/new war). Republicans almost revolted over Medicare part d, but the senate and house leaders kept their members in line. I don't think republicans would be willing to take similar votes for Romney.

[Stinkles]

You're missing the point. It's not that Romney is the last man standing, it's that there is no love whatsoever for him among the base; in many ways they despise him, but will support him simply to defeat Obama. We would not be seeing this if Santorum was the nominee. Conservatives will fall in life if Romney wins. That being said, they won't keep in line the same way they did under Bush (unless we get hit with a terrorist attack/new war). Republicans almost revolted over Medicare part d, but the senate and house leaders kept their members in line. I don't think republicans would be willing to take similar votes for Romney.

That's actually a pretty interesting observation. Democrats get a lot of shit for not ever coordinating in lockstep, but it's funny to think the repubs are basically one abortion or gay rights law away from flying apart.

[Clevinger]

If Romney wins he would be President. Has a incumbent President ever been given the boot by this own party?

I don't know if they've ever succeeded, but they've tried and screwed the incumbent over like when Kennedy primaried Carter.

I don't think Republicans will do that. Once Romney wins, Fox News and the right wing radio machine will go full on propaganda behind everything Romney does and the sheep will quiet down for the most part.

[Copernicus]

Well made, but it's not an ad, just a web video.

Welcome to 2012 where people watch ads on the internet.

[GhaleonEB]

Welcome to 2012 where people watch ads on the internet.

It's an important distinction. A web video like this will get a few thousand hits. An ad with any decent money behind it will be seen by hundreds of thousands, and likely more. The point I was making was that the web video will have a dramatically smaller audience than an ad buy.

Welcome to 2012, where people still watch television.

[Jackson50]

Man, it's too bad we're so dumb. This is concern trolling of a high order, I think. Sure, Obama hasn't fixed the issues that face the youth -- but Romney is actively trying to make them worse. To throw his name in there abruptly as if to suggest that we're screwing ourselves by voting for him is...well, it's the kind of thing a father would do, isn't it? (Not my father, my father was a truther.) My father-in-law said this exact thing to me: "I'm just worried for your future." I was like, "Me too! That's why I'm a socialist!"

His entire premise is a patent false dilemma. We can readily afford investments in infrastructure and securing our future economic vibrancy without harming senior citizens. Fatuous article.

I'm not sure I'd categorize it as close...Obama made it nearly mathematically impossible for Hillary to win by the time super Tuesday was over. Everything after that was dragging out the inevitable result, and pointless hand wringing over superdelegates

I don't remember the exact delegate count, but I don't think Clinton was effectively eliminated by Super Tuesday. And even if she were, that's not an entirely accurate metric given the condensed nature of the primary. An unprecedented half of the states held an election on Super Tuesday. For most of the primary, they were both competing fiercely for delegates, endorsements, and fundraising.

I don't know if they've ever succeeded, but they've tried and screwed the incumbent over like when Kennedy primaried Carter. I don't think Republicans will do that. Once Romney wins, Fox News and the right wing radio machine will go full on propaganda behind everything Romney does and the sheep will quiet down for the most part.

A challenger has not succeeded, but Ford and Carter came perilously close to losing their party's nomination. An interesting counterfactual would have been Johnson's decision to remain in contention in 1968.

[Clevinger]

Scott Brown goes full retard

Scott Brown Decries Legally Mandated Voter Registration Effort, Says It’s A Conspiracy To Elect His Opponent Sen. Scott Brown (R-MA)’s today lashed out at his opponent’s daughter and his home state of Massachusetts for ensuring that a federal law is properly followed. The freshman Republican charged that by helping to signing up welfare recipients to vote, the state was “clearly” aiding Democratic nominee Elizabeth Warren’s campaign. The 1993 National Voter Registration Act — better known as the Motor Voter bill –requires that citizens be offered the opportunity to register to vote when they get a driver’s license or apply for social services. Voting rights groups — including Demos — filed a federal lawsuit alleging that the Commonwealth of Massachusetts was not in compliance, after a 35-year-old woman was not offered the chance to register to vote when she filed paperwork with the state’s welfare office last June. The Commonwealth of Massachusetts, recognizing its obligation under federal law, settled the case out of court. As part of that settlement, the state government agreed to contact, by mail, the 477,944 welfare recipients who might also have been denied their right to be offered a chance to register to vote and give them that chance now. Voting rights groups have brought similar suits in other states. But seizing on the fact that Warren’s daughter is chair of the board of one of the groups suing, Brown made the argument that this amounts to a conspiracy to elect his Democratic challenger. His statement today said: I want every legal vote to count, but it’s outrageous to use taxpayer dollars to register welfare recipients as part of a special effort to boost one political party over another. This effort to sign up welfare recipients is being aided by Elizabeth Warren’s daughter and it’s clearly designed to benefit her mother’s political campaign. It means that I’m going to have to work that much harder to get out my pro-jobs, pro-free enterprise message. It is surprising that a U.S. Senator would object to a state complying with federal law and attempting to remedy its mistake when it may not have done so. It is also surprising that Brown would, in effect, say that having more eligible welfare recipients registered to vote would automatically mean more votes for Warren. Brown says on his campaign website that “Partisan bickering and political gamesmanship won’t help us save that America, and I refuse to participate.”

[Copernicus]

It's an important distinction. A web video like this will get a few thousand hits. An ad with any decent money behind it will be seen by hundreds of thousands, and likely more. The point I was making was that the web video will have a dramatically smaller audience than an ad buy. Welcome to 2012, where people still watch television.

Nielson figures I bet.

[PantherLotus]

I think the distinction should also come with a demographic caveat. Obviously web videos will get more penetration among liberals than conservatives. I'm not sure the converse is true for TV ad buys.

[Stinkles]

Scott Brown goes full retard

HOLY SHIT

[B-Dubs]

It's an important distinction. A web video like this will get a few thousand hits. An ad with any decent money behind it will be seen by hundreds of thousands, and likely more. The point I was making was that the web video will have a dramatically smaller audience than an ad buy. Welcome to 2012, where people still watch television.

Normally it would, but there are times the news will cover an add like this which is better than an ad buy. Even money NBC covers it in the next week.

[Hobbestetrician]

Scott Brown goes full retard

*rubs eyes*

WHAT

[PhoenixPause]

I'm starting to believe Brown will lose. Going full retard might work when you have crazy folks in your corner, but Brown has been abandoned by the tea party folks who got him into office.

[RDreamer]

I'm starting to believe Brown will lose. Going full retard might work when you have crazy folks in your corner, but Brown has been abandoned by the tea party folks who got him into office.

Good. I know I would drink heavily in celebration of an Obama and Warren victory.

[Clevinger]

I'm starting to believe Brown will lose. Going full retard might work when you have crazy folks in your corner, but Brown has been abandoned by the tea party folks who got him into office.

Have they? Similar to with Romney, I don't think they'll hesitate to vote for him because Elizabeth Warren represents everything they (are told to) hate.

[ErasureAcer]

Romney Girl was pretty funny. The guy playing Mitt is hilarious in particular.

[Opiate]

Romney Girl was pretty funny. The guy playing Mitt is hilarious in particular.

I do not agree with your assessment.

[Oblivion]

I'm getting the feeling that deep down, Romney and his camp just knows he can't possibly win, so they're like "Fuck it, we're just saying what the fuck we want."

They should just come right out and start dropping a bunch of n-bombs soon.

[Aaron Strife]

Quinnipac's CO poll is definitely an outlier: they have the Dem/GOP numbers completely backwards. And that's compared to 2010, not exactly a high water mark for Democrats.

[GhaleonEB]

Scott Brown goes full retard

Let's see. Attack voter registration effort - required by law. Bonus points for attacking a voter registration effort aimed at the poor, with a super bonus aimed at your opponent's daughter. I've maintained that Warren would win for some time now, but I think this is a tipping point for Brown.

Normally it would, but there are times the news will cover an add like this which is better than an ad buy. Even money NBC covers it in the next week.

The Obama team releases Truth Squad videos every week. I don't know how often NBC or the others cover them, but my impression is they rarely cut through the chatter. They may help coax the networks into covering the issue, though.

[TacticalFox88]

Call me cynical, but I had always maintained that Warren would lose. But now...lol. Brown is most likely going down.

Goddamn, November 7th can't come soon enough. All the bitching at work, Facebook posts...glorious!

[speculawyer]

[Clevinger]

So who thinks she's going to run in 2016? I'm not the biggest Clinton fan (though I don't dislike her), but she'd probably be a hell of a lot better than Cuomo.

[bananas]

Obama, Clinton, Castro.

That's the dream, right? 24 years of Democratic rule.

[Oblivion]

Man, it's too bad we're so dumb. This is concern trolling of a high order, I think. Sure, Obama hasn't fixed the issues that face the youth -- but Romney is actively trying to make them worse. To throw his name in there abruptly as if to suggest that we're screwing ourselves by voting for him is...well, it's the kind of thing a father would do, isn't it? (Not my father, my father was a truther.) My father-in-law said this exact thing to me: "I'm just worried for your future." I was like, "Me too! That's why I'm a socialist!"

I never get why these people attempt these moronic arguments. It's the same when they argue why gays and black people, and hispanics shouldn't vote for him because he hasn't done much to help him. It's cause:

1. He's tried and you assholes keep stopping him.
2. Those groups realize that you same assholes absolutely DESPISE them!

OF COURSE they're going to go with Obama. This isn't that hard.

[Dr. Pangloss]

[IMG]http://i.minus.com/iQwRMVIa2PvPN.gif[IMG]

What's up Hilary. Jump on it.

[Farmboy]

I remember back in 2008 the speculation on who would be the next candidate for the Dems centered on Virginia's Mark Warner and Montana's Brian Schweitzer, with some sources even going so far as to suggest that the plan was already in place to have one of them replace Biden as Obama's running mate in 2012.

Warner did get the keynote gig then, but his speech was somewhat of a disappointment, overshadowed by the fiery Dennis Kucinich speech on the same day.

So where are Schweitzer and Warner now? Purposefully sitting this one out, maybe?

[Averon]

Don't Dems have a habit of picking dark-horse candidates for their nominee? Neither Clinton, Kerry, or Obama were obvious front runners when they made their presidential bids. Gore is the only recent Dem nominee that was the frontrunner early on and won the nomination, and that's mostly due to him being the Vice President at the time.

[Jadedx]

God I hate watching Morning Joe, It's almost as bad as watching fox news.


How do people start those movement to get people fired? Joe and Mika should be off MSNBC.

[Black Republican]

atleast if romney wins we will get him doing this! ha!

[teruterubozu]

God I hate watching Morning Joe, It's almost as bad as watching fox news. How do people start those movement to get people fired? Joe and Mika should be off MSNBC.

eh, I don't mind Morning Joe. It sure beats watching the bubbly folks on other morning news shows.

[Jadedx]

eh, I don't mind Morning Joe. It sure beats watching the bubbly folks on other morning news shows.

You don't mind the republican mouthpiece hacks attacking PBO and defending Mitt's lies?

[worldrunover]

Obama, Clinton, Castro. That's the dream, right? 24 years of Democratic rule.

Andrew Cuomo is going to be in the mix at some point, mark it down.

[Puddles]

Call me cynical, but I had always maintained that Warren would lose. But now...lol. Brown is most likely going down. Goddamn, November 7th can't come soon enough. All the bitching at work, Facebook posts...glorious!

Aside from Obama winning, Warren is #1 on my wishlist. I want her in the Senate so bad. I'd give up sex for 5 years if it would get her in.

[codhand]

atleast if romney wins we will get him doing this! ha!

First we have to get him to move his torso independently from his legs.

[Measley]

Scott Brown goes full retard

Happy trails Scotty! That shit works in the Bible belt, but not Massachusetts.

[Loudninja]

New Romney Ad: Obama Declared ‘War On Religion’
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.co...ar-on-religion

Do they really want to bring up anything healthcare related?

[cartoon_soldier]

Nobody gives two shits about the economy it looks like

Obama should move in

[Tim-E]

None of this shit stuck earlier this year when the right tried it. More far right pandering from Romney. I am becoming more and more convinced that he's going to pick Ryan. He's making no attempt to get independents on his side.

[codhand]

I love that the Republican narrative is completely detached from reality.

ie, you could have the same headline but with a picture of Romney.

[cartoon_soldier]

Well, I think Romney is realizing now that he can't win by just saying the economy sucks. So, what else can be attack Obama on.

Those are now things that embody the Politics of resentment. The idea of the ad is not to talk about HealthCare of religion, it is again, this not so American man attacking American values.

Look out for all these ads from Romney that attack implicitly or explicitly Obama's "foreignness" to voters. Whether it will succeed or not...I don't know. I think the media has this all wrong, they think its about bridging the Gender gap, I think its all about reducing Obama's vote share among the non-college educated white voters in OH, VA, NC, PA, etc.

[thefro]

lol, Romney's campaign is just getting weird now

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/r...212837965.html

Romney arrived at Lake Terrace, the site of his fundraiser tonight, at roughly 3:35 pm, after what your pooler can only describe as a harrowing high-speed motorcade from Newark airport to Lakewood NJ. Hitting speeds of up to 90 mph at times, the motorcade made what had been scheduled as a 61-minute drive in roughly 45 minutes on a route that took us along the Jersey Turnpike to the Garden State Parkway and prompted your pooler to wonder many times if she would live to cover Romney's remarks at the fundraiser tonight. The motorcade was escorted by unmarked police SUVs which at times flashed their lights. At one point, we passed a school bus where several little kids could been seen standing on their seats to get a glimpse of the motorcade. Upon arrival in Lakewood, some unusual things happened. First, the motorcade passed a man dressed in American flag shorts running down the street toward the venue here while waving an American flag. "Whooooo!" he exclaimed, as your pooler's van passed. Then, as we turned into Lake Terrace, the motorcade drove past an Orthodox Jewish wedding party that had been posing for pictures outside. Immediately, the family abandoned the bride and groom and began chasing Romney's car in the parking lot, waving cameras. The candidate's SUV drove around a corner to a back entrance, followed by at least 10 members of the wedding party who tried to run up to Romney's car by were halted first, by a wood fence, which one man tried to scale, and then by Secret Service agents, who did not look pleased. "Oh you're Secret Service," one woman said, as she was asked by an agent to move back. "We just want to see Romney." Your pool is now holding in a room ahead of Romney's remarks at the private fundraiser, set to begin in about one hour. Per spokesman Rick Gorka, Romney is going to pose for photos with the wedding party, but the campaign will not allow the pool to witness this event.

[Plinko]

lol, Romney's campaign is just getting weird now http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/r...212837965.html

They're starting the "Romney the Wedding Crasher" persona to see if they can draw in some younger voters.

[codhand]

The Associated Press ‏@AP

BREAKING: US jobless claims fall by 6,000 to 361,000, signaling modest improvement in the job market. -DC


The Associated Press ‏@AP

BREAKING: Cheaper oil pushes down US trade deficit to lowest level since December 2010. -DC

[Black Republican]

https://twitter.com/McCormickJohn/st...41456508366849

vp announcement very soon?

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

They're starting the "Romney the Wedding Crasher" persona to see if they can draw in some younger voters.

When will they hit the Wesley Clark Outkast ad level? Anyone else remember that one from 04?

[Tim-E]

https://twitter.com/McCormickJohn/st...41456508366849 vp announcement very soon?

pleasebepaulryanpleasebepaulryanpleasebepaulryanpleasebepaulryan

[Loudninja]

Gingrich Admits There’s ‘No Proof’ Yet To Welfare Attack

But just hours after the Romney campaign blasted out a statement by the former speaker accusing Obama of “undoing the act’s central concept of a welfare-to-work requirement,” Gingrich distanced himself from the language in Romney’s ad. “I think if the ad makers had asked me I would have said, ‘This makes it possible,’ would have been a good way to enter into what it said,” Gingrich said in an interview on CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360” Wednesday night. Gingrich went on: “We have no proof today, but I would say to you under Obama’s ideology it is absolutely true that he would be comfortable sending a lot of people checks for doing nothing.”

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...ref=fpnewsfeed

[Tim-E]

LOL

This campaign actually had a little bit of traction with the "you didn't build that" stuff, but they've completely blown it.



Imagine Gingrich being the VP nominee.

[markatisu]

Well, I think Romney is realizing now that he can't win by just saying the economy sucks. So, what else can be attack Obama on. Those are now things that embody the Politics of resentment. The idea of the ad is not to talk about HealthCare of religion, it is again, this not so American man attacking American values. Look out for all these ads from Romney that attack implicitly or explicitly Obama's "foreignness" to voters. Whether it will succeed or not...I don't know. I think the media has this all wrong, they think its about bridging the Gender gap, I think its all about reducing Obama's vote share among the non-college educated white voters in OH, VA, NC, PA, etc.

But the economy is all Romney has, he can't run on social issues because in swing states that is not going to matter. Nobody in OH and PA cares about the SC approved Health Care law, they care about jobs.

If Romney moves away from the economy he might as well just call the election now.