[SmithnCo]

I can't believe how horribly they botched the design we got. It doesn't look scary or cool or interesting or good in any conceivable way. It just look stupid from every single angle.

I like how it looks in the CG behind the scenes video, where it doesn't have texture and other effects applied. You can see the impressive work they did for the folds in the skin and stuff. The final result is... quite meh though.

[SRG01]

I think protocida on SHH put it best; That's probably what happened. You'd be surprised how easily they could be frightened into pulling out like that. Which is unfortunate, but I guess it means we'll see a lot more in the sequel now that this has been a success.

This sounds almost like what happened when the Terminator Salvation rumors were leaking prior to release. Instead of getting a good movie (and angering vocal fans in the minority), we get a lot of cut content.

[CracknutWhirrun]

I wanna be spiderman

[the anime man]

I wanna be electro and electrocute stuff

[DiscoPower]

I wanna be spiderman

You and everyone else.

[ViewtifulJC]

The REAL Spider-Man 2002 theme

[Dead]

Uncle Ben's killer in ASM looks like the singer from Nickelback.

Surely a reference to Sam Raimi killing the soul of Peter Parker, just as Chad Kroeger killed the soul of rock'n'roll

[Mr_Zombie]

But there was such a huge jump from Connors wanting to heal himself to Connors wanting to heal the humanity itself (and the transformation to lizard-men apparently being the answer to that) that makes for just a ridiculous, cartoonish story. It's impossible to take seriously.

I still don't understand how transforming people into lizards would make them better or "cure" them? Yes, in Connor's case the transformation helped him since he could regrow his arm. But what about an average human being? How would the transformation help them?

[strobogo]

The Elfman scores for the Spidey movies sounded like he cannibalized the MIB and Batman scores. They were really distracting at times because it sounded like they were straight out of one of those movies.

[Wolf Akela]

I still don't understand how transforming people into lizards would make them better or "cure" them? Yes, in Connor's case the transformation helped him since he could regrow his arm. But what about an average human being? How would the transformation help them?

I thought he mentioned that in the movie. He pondered why everyone wouldn't want to be stronger, smarter and quickly heal any wound.

[raziel]

saw it tonight, overall i thought it was 'cool.' not great, not amazing, not even all that good really - when someone asks me what i thought of it, im going with 'cool.'

villain was throw-away (never liked the way he looked either - tearing off the lab coat was like a mini -troll), love interest was surprisingly throw-away given the actress and the character's significance ( i honestly thought MJ was better developed in SM1 - ditto that for peter/MJ's relationship) - huge problems those are, alone. but the action was cool, as well as a few other parts, and...its spider-man on a big screen. i should say at this point my expectations were thoroughly lowered going into it (didnt see it opening day obviously), so thats about all i was hoping for and thats about all i got. plus there wasnt really any part that was embarrassing or facepalm-worthy like there are in a lot of the really bad super-hero movies (slam dunk part was close). thats another way i would describe the movie actually other than cool - 'not embarrassing' lol.

but yeah obviously is a ways away from being on batman-level. toward the end of the movie i actually briefly felt my body officially become ready for TDKR.

[CosmicGroinPull]

Just saw it, and I think it's better than raimi's entire trilogy, simply because of the more serious tone and a Peter Parker that doesn't make me cringe and I can emphathize more with. Also enjoyed his romance better, and I thought the script was clever too in that it didn't over explain things, and things like peter's last line in the movie.

[neorej]

I wanna be spiderman

I want to be sedated.

[bangladesh]

I don't understand the fascination people have with this design. Yep, it's a giant lizard. Nothing particualrly special and contains mo elements that stand out. It's by no means any better or worse than the design in the film.

What? Are you srsly?

The Lizard we got from Webb looked incomplete as hell. I was expecting the creature to mutate in phases. And the images we got in the trailers would just be a little taste of what's to come when the grand final molting occurs, the skin sheds and out emerges a hulking beast with morphed muscles, eyes like a shark, fierce jaws with gator-like teeth, thick scaley armored skin and a nice heavy ass tail that will fuck you into a coma. I wanted an intimidating mad experiment that poses an actual threat. A blood thirsty creature who's got no trace of humanity left. I wanted to feel fear for New Yorkers and even the goddamned NYPD. But no, instead we get the NYPD calmly going after a goddamned sesame street character.

[SalsaShark]

Anyone who doesnt think Elfman's soundtrack is iconic is out of their minds. That IS the Spiderman theme beyond the cartoon intro. It's instantly recognizable and it completely fits with the character. If anything it gives him more of an "epic" aura than what Spiderman actually has, but it's super fitting for a movie.

Whenever I hear those strings going crazy as the theme builds up I think of webs tangling. It just works.

The new score is HORRIFIC and there's nothing memorable or fitting about it. I caught myself not even paying attention to it numerous times, and realizing how a different, more prominent score would have made the movie MUCH better. Easily the biggest flaw. By far.

[raziel]

When it comes to music, ASM obviously gets bludgeoned with an Oscorp Antidote-solution baton thingy. It was all forgettable, and I have no idea what the theme is. The Elfman score is recognizable and awesome from like the first 10 seconds - awesome.

[Enco]

Anyone who doesnt think Elfman's soundtrack is iconic is out of their minds. That IS the Spiderman theme beyond the cartoon intro. It's instantly recognizable and it completely fits with the character. If anything it gives him more of an "epic" aura than what Spiderman actually has, but it's super fitting for a movie. Whenever I hear those strings going crazy as the theme builds up I think of webs tangling. It just works. The new score is HORRIFIC and there's nothing memorable or fitting about it. I caught myself not even paying attention to it numerous times, and realizing how a different, more prominent score would have made the movie MUCH better. Easily the biggest flaw. By far.

Agreed.

The soundtrack is really really fucking bad. One of the most generic soundtracks I have ever heard. Just sad.

[CosmicGroinPull]

Oh yeah, spiderman's theme was so good. When it played in the opening credits, (and from the positive word I've read) I knew to expect greatness.

[GrizzNKev]

Anyone who doesnt think Elfman's soundtrack is iconic is out of their minds. That IS the Spiderman theme beyond the cartoon intro. It's instantly recognizable and it completely fits with the character. If anything it gives him more of an "epic" aura than what Spiderman actually has, but it's super fitting for a movie. Whenever I hear those strings going crazy as the theme builds up I think of webs tangling. It just works. The new score is HORRIFIC and there's nothing memorable or fitting about it. I caught myself not even paying attention to it numerous times, and realizing how a different, more prominent score would have made the movie MUCH better. Easily the biggest flaw. By far.

Exactly. Exactly. That's what this movie was missing.

The theme from the previous trilogy told the story all on its own.

[DanteFox]

Ok off the top of my head (i'll stick with SM2 since i've seen that the most), i'll start with the fusion reactor since it has so many dumb holes. -the very first live test of this new scientific breakthrough is held in a skyscraper in the middle of down town fucking new york. Makes no sense how a) such a thing would even be allowed and b) a scientist would be dumb enough to do an experiment in anything but a controlled environment. -clear emphasis on a need to wear goggles or els it would impair his vision, yet there are people standing right behind him with no protection, and then at the end he, peter, and mj are all right in front of a giant version with no issues. -illogical magnetics where certain metal jewelry pops off and others don't. Not to mention at the end, the metal walls and ceiling are pulled in but the metal floor is in tact. Which is needed so Ock can 'drown' it, or else it would've drowned itself and the whole thing would've been pointless. -throwing a cab right in the face of your only lead on contacting spider-man. they made emphasis on Ock wanting to send a message to SM through peter, specifically a location. this would've been impossible if pete had died, which should've been likely when you throw a cab right in his face. -Ock isn't a super human yet he takes punches in the face and body from a guy who can pulverize fucking concrete with one blow. He should've been dead when he gets thrown 50 feet out of the bank and hits a car. Hell, i think the most damage to him was done when Aunt May hit him in the face with her umbrella and he screams in pain, yet all the punching of SM does nothing. -Speaking which, May not seeing the floor right under her damn feet when dangling by her umbrella on that statues hand. -this is more of a blooper but when May is at the house packing up and leaving, they hug (after her speech) and from shot to shot, peters head is over a different shoulder of hers each time. -a BUNCH of costume errors. I've seen the movie so many times it's hard not to notice them anymore. Like all the tears in his suit when he's stopping the train, then totally disappearing later. Or him taking off his mask due to the electric charge/smoke on the right side of his mask inside the eye piece lens, then later on when he is delivered to Harry the mask is pristine. back to the rips in his suit though, at the end scene with Otto, the rips keep changing literally from cut to cut, mid conversation even -another blooper but it's easy to spot upon second viewing. the kid peter saves in the burning building, when she helps him up you can see her clearly wear huge knee pads under her pj's. -The end scene where him and MJ web away, apparently swinging on air since there's nothing around them in the middle of that dock -entire losing his powers plot made no sense. It's supposed to be because of his severe depression that he loses his powers, but if that's the case, they should come back when he's happy, but they stay gone even when he's finally happy, which means he can basically turn them on and off. -when Ock comes to harry he does this disappearing act where one second he's in one place and the next he's literally 50 feet away. No cuts or anything either, just straight up teleportation. -another obvious plot hole, how did Harry know where Ock was holding MJ/where his hideout was? Otto never says anything and there's no indicator that harry should know anything about this. Anyway, thanks for letting me go on this tangent but you asked for it. There's a ton of stuff like this in all the SM movies, from big plot holes to obvious bloopers... so I find it laughable that some are dogging on tiny stuff in ASM like how was he in the car before the burglar or the crane man, and so on, when compared to the other movies this movie is practically clean of cheese.

some of those are pretty nitpicky, animaniacs-esque nerd trivia. You even said you watched the movie several times.

[Bishop]

among the many things raimis spiderman already does way better than ASM, the trailer is also better than ASM trailers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN3YaybNJ2s

[BocoDragon]

So interesting how this movie has revitalized love for the Raimi versions...

[THE-Pink-Dagger]

Horner's score horrific?! Hyperbole much, I've been listening to it for days prior to seeing it and it just stucks in my head, and it fits perfectly in the movie IMO, the main theme is so epic.

I'd understand if hearing it only in the context of the movie is underwhelming because this is the kind of score that truly grew on me, but saying it's shit is ridiculous.

[Net_Wrecker]

Maaaaan, this movie.

- Origin stories. I knew this coming in, but I was still really bored. Do we need to see how he became SM again? I hope the next Batman film post-Nolan has the balls to throw the audience right into the thick of things because this is annoying.

- Plot surrounding Parker becoming a hero is just standard hero movie fluff. Not worth dissecting.

- Spider-Man is boring. So disappointed that he's only a wise cracker to that one criminal from the trailer then becomes a mute for the rest of the movie.

- I'm tired of SM being in full costume with his mask off. I don't want to see the actor's stupid face and the visual of SM unmasked completely loses its impact when he's like that constantly. Stop it. There's quite enough Andrew Garfield face time in this movie, let him be SM when the mask's on.

- SM is kind of a pushover in this. Pretty much the entire climax of the movie is him getting help from everyone. The whole "helpful citizens" thing is really corny and cliche too.

- The score was just typical generic big budget orchestra stuff. Meh.

I'm just going to stop. Positives were SM's look, the way he moved/fought, and maybe the Peter/Gwen dynamic idk, but that's about it. I wasn't hyped for it so it's not a massive disappointment, but it's nowhere near top superhero flicks, and doesn't even touch Avengers for this year. Mehhhhhhhhh, Amazing Spider Man, meh.

[Solo]

So interesting how this movie has revitalized love for the Raimi versions...

I won't lie, I had kind of hoped this would happen. But I never in a million years thought it really would happen. I am quite pleased to see the reinvigorated love for Raimi's underrated (oh yes) trilogy cropping up all over the internet!

[The Anti-Monitor]

Lizard would have improved so much by giving him the snout and not talking... I kinda expected to see him with the ridiculous face at first, but then he'd devolve even more and get the snout and become the classic Lizard.

[Korey]

Horner's score horrific?! Hyperbole much, I've been listening to it for days prior to seeing it and it just stucks in my head, and it fits perfectly in the movie IMO, the main theme is so epic. I'd understand if hearing it only in the context of the movie is underwhelming because this is the kind of score that truly grew on me, but saying it's shit is ridiculous.

I don't remember hearing any score from watching the movie. Does that mean the score was a success or a failure?

Edit: Also, a lot of people have said the same thing, including someone who works at a movie theater and has to hear it repeatedly throughout the day, so I'm not alone

[neorej]

Lizard would have improved so much by giving him the snout and not talking... I kinda expected to see him with the ridiculous face at first, but then he'd devolve even more and get the snout and become the classic Lizard.

The two main reasons the designers gave as to why the Lizard looked like Goomba, was that he could have more emotion and more convincing dialogue this way. Two problems with that explanation;
1) due to the shape of his mouth, he always had a stupid Burton-Joker-esque grin, while his eyes were always in "I'll rape your eyesockets"-like fury-mode.

2) the dialogue he had in the movie carried little to no weight in the overall story.

[Sentry]

Connors went from "I want to use science to fix my arm" to "I want to use science to turn everyone into lizards because they're better!" without much of an explanation in between. I'm sure there was some cut stuff that would have called back to Peter's father, using science for the betterment of mankind, "if you have the means you have a moral obligation to exercise it" (or whatever the movie's variation of The Line was), etc. But there was such a huge jump from Connors wanting to heal himself to Connors wanting to heal the humanity itself (and the transformation to lizard-men apparently being the answer to that) that makes for just a ridiculous, cartoonish story. It's impossible to take seriously.

I didn't feel that was an issue at all, tbh. It seemed obvious that his reptilian mind took over, and couple that with his desire to cure everyone, it felt logical. That's the story in the comics as well, btw, so perhaps that's why it seemed obvious to me (but I don't think so). I always thought it was the whole 'draconian mind' taking over. That wasn't the issue with the Lizard in this movie, imo.

I still don't understand how transforming people into lizards would make them better or "cure" them? Yes, in Connor's case the transformation helped him since he could regrow his arm. But what about an average human being? How would the transformation help them?

Didn't you see the bit where he's talking to the camera about everything it would cure, such as eyesight? Basically it would cure every human ailment, along with diseases.

The scene actually wasn't as cringe worthy during my second viewing but it's still a horrible scene. And I totally agree with you, the score really only stands out during that scene, it feels almost separate from the rest of the movie it was so good

Yup, it's hilariously depressing that the 'worst' part of the movie also steals the best score. :lol

[Andrex]

I won't lie, I had kind of hoped this would happen. But I never in a million years thought it really would happen. I am quite pleased to see the reinvigorated love for Raimi's underrated (oh yes) trilogy cropping up all over the internet!

The entire trilogy just got reverse-SM3'd by ASM. Like... poetry...

[Blader5489]

I didn't feel that was an issue at all, tbh. It seemed obvious that his reptilian mind took over, and couple that with his desire to cure everyone, it felt logical. That's the story in the comics as well, btw, so perhaps that's why it seemed obvious to me (but I don't think so). I always thought it was the whole 'draconian mind' taking over. That wasn't the issue with the Lizard in this movie, imo.

Ok, again, "that's the story in the comics" isn't an excuse. I know that's ripped from the comics too, but that doesn't mean it could/should work in a movie (and, imo, it doesn't here).

Also, there was only one instance in the film where Connors was talking to himself that made it look like the Lizard was a separate persona; that's not enough. That's the whole problem with Connors/Lizard in the movie: you can see what his story is supposed to be, but they devote the bare minimum of screentime to each plot point, so his arc comes off very undercooked.

[Sentry]

Some more concept art (here);





This is exactly the scene I said I wanted in my review, genuine chaos with Lizard people running around that part of the city. The entire serum cure cloud felt pointless since they made it seem like there were only like 3 people infected (SWAT) instead of a real outbreak (which it was meant to be). Oh and Lizard might've had chameleon camouflage abilities at some point? :lol Glad that never made it;

Oh and further proving my point, this scene was nowhere to be found in the movie either;

Lizard would have improved so much by giving him the snout and not talking... I kinda expected to see him with the ridiculous face at first, but then he'd devolve even more and get the snout and become the classic Lizard.

The problem with the whole mutation theory a few people are mentioning in here, is that the changing process in the movie happens multiple times. One of the times he transforms was even cut from the movie (before the random sat ambush). So that whole gradual mutating thing would've have worked.

But yeah, I agree. They could've made him far more Lizard-like, like what they originally had planned (comic con footage);



And just limited his dialogue to Conners scenes, or just have back of the head/side shots the one or two times he talks so you don't see his full jaw motions. And a lot more monstrous hissing during attempts at speech.

some of those are pretty nitpicky, animaniacs-esque nerd trivia. You even said you watched the movie several times.

Some of them, sure, but someone was asking me to list all the stupid things in SM2 I could think of, so I did.

[Bishop]

Oh and further proving my point, this scene was nowhere to be found in the movie either;

if you are referring to that gif, i am pretty sure that was in the movie. He is just about to throw it at the cops.

[CorrisD]

Oh and further proving my point, this scene was nowhere to be found in the movie either;

Pretty sure I saw that bit too, lol.

[Mr. Sam]

Yeah, I remember that bit too.

[Eidan]

Anyone who doesnt think Elfman's soundtrack is iconic is out of their minds. That IS the Spiderman theme beyond the cartoon intro. It's instantly recognizable and it completely fits with the character. If anything it gives him more of an "epic" aura than what Spiderman actually has, but it's super fitting for a movie.

You really think so? Maybe to the more ardent fans of the films. But if you pulled a casual movie goer off the street, I think they'd recognize John Williams' Superman theme. Or Elfman's Batman theme. But the Spider-Man theme? On a good day they'd probably say "Oh that sounds like that one Tim Burton movie...oh what is it? Willy Wonka?"

There's absolutely nothing iconic or memorable about Elfman's Spider-Man theme.

[Discotheque]

Yeah obviously it's not as memorable as the Batman or Superman themes. But it's still pretty iconic and NOTICEABLE. I didn't even realize there was a theme in this new film. The entire soundtrack felt non-existent to me.

[jaxword]

The Bullet wound was in the side, not the leg, here.



DEFINITELY hints they intended way more lizards running around at one point.



They never used the chameleon-like ability in the film.


This just furthers the conclusion that a LOT was cut.

[Mr_Zombie]

Oh and further proving my point, this scene was nowhere to be found in the movie either;

That scene was used, but its consequences weren't show. As you said, there were only three or four people infected shown in the movie.

[matics]

Oh and further proving my point, this scene was nowhere to be found in the movie either;

I definitely remember that scene in the movie.

Overall I'm pretty disappointed, honestly. Action scenes were good. Andrew Garfield is a pretty bad actor. The writing felt kind of bad at times and Peter talking like a bumbling idiot was pretty lame.

[Eidan]

Yeah obviously it's not as memorable as the Batman or Superman themes. But it's still pretty iconic and NOTICEABLE. I didn't even realize there was a theme in this new film. The entire soundtrack felt non-existent to me.

Nope, not iconic in any way.

I think the term "iconic" is being thrown around too loosely. When I think "iconic" I think the Superman theme. I think Elfman's Batman theme. I love Hans Zimmer's work on Nolan's Batman films. But in no way do I think his score is iconic. It takes a bit more than being good for me to consider something iconic. The layman would need to be able to instantly identify the music. It needs to be in some way ingrained in the culture.

In that way I'd say Williams' Harry Potter theme has a much stronger argument for being iconic than Elfman's Spider-Man theme ever will.

[Anton Sugar]

It bugged the shit out of me that nothing happened with the lizard cops. He pops out of the sewer, he gasses them, they start changing almost IMMEDIATELY...

20 minutes later, they're cured, from the exact same state they were in when we last saw them.

[jaxword]

It bugged the shit out of me that nothing happened with the lizard cops. He pops out of the sewer, he gasses them, they start changing almost IMMEDIATELY... 20 minutes later, they're cured, from the exact same state they were in when we last saw them.

It was probably scripted but cut to save on the FX budget.

[Sentry]

Oh yeah, you guys are right. That scene was after he jumped on top of the truck iirc? But then it just cut to the Stacy and we never saw anymore of what the gas did.

This just furthers the conclusion that a LOT was cut.

Not really, concept art is done fairly early on. You can't say it was cut if it was never actually filmed, which I don't think his chameleon-like abilities ever were, nor was a bullet shot to his side/stomach.

Andrew Garfield is a pretty bad actor.

The fack.

[matics]

Forgot to mention, wtf was up with the mid-credits scene? Seemed so unnecessary.. Like they were basically saying "hey guys, there's gonna be a sequel, in case that much wasn't obvious."

[LosDaddie]

You have a point with the other crane operators, and I can understand if you find that pretty unbelievable. But I chalk that up to the threat they were facing being more obscure, and Spider-Man being viewed as someone who could stop it. But I don't see Joe Blow Wall Street Banker standing up to a supervillain he just saw rip a train apart.

I don't buy that the other crane guys knew Spidey could stop Lizard, and wanted to help. Shit, unless I missed it, SM isn't even known to NY residents in the movie, other than being called out by Capt Stacy as a threat (or something). So the notion that the crane guys not only viewed Spidey as a (super)hero, able to stop Lizard, but also respected him enough to ignore evacuation orders to move their cranes into place just doesn't jive for me. It all felt completely forced.

But again, I can buy Mr. Crane Master wanting to help Spidey, and asking for help. Just not what followed.

Contrast that with a train full of passengers watching Spidey risk his life to stop their train, passing out afterwards from exhaustion, and they (try to) stand up for him against Doc Oc when Spidey is no longer able to. That's what heroes are supposed to do, inspire the common man. Much more believable.

And I mention the unmasking as opposed to vomit, shit, and piss, because the movie directly discusses the idea that Spider-Man can trust these people with his identity. "It's alright!" Nope, it's not.

ah yeah, got me on that. But I (and I believe, most people) saw it as a sign of respect and thankfulness for saving their lives.

It's the face. It's like his body is full blown reptile but head is underdeveloped with mostly human face. Looks shit imo, the voice is even worse.

Yup, it's totally Lizard's face. I didn't have a problem with the voice, but the face was just....wrong.

[planar1280]

Holy crap how much did Sony Cut! did Webb have ANY control over the movie?!?!

[Eidan]

I don't buy that the other crane guys knew Spidey could stop Lizard, and wanted to help. Shit, unless I missed it, SM isn't even known to NY residents in the movie, other than being called out by Capt Stacy as a threat (or something). So the notion that the crane guys not only viewed Spidey as a (super)hero, able to stop Lizard, but also respected him enough to ignore evacuation orders to move their cranes into place just doesn't jive for me. It all felt completely forced. But again, I can buy Mr. Crane Master wanting to help Spidey, and asking for help. Just not what followed. Contrast that with a train full of passengers watching Spidey risk his life to stop their train, passing out afterwards from exhaustion, and they (try to) stand up for him against Doc Oc when Spidey is no longer able to. That's what heroes are supposed to do, inspire the common man. Much more believable.

I'll just agree to disagree. I will say that I agree that it's strange that people would consider Spider-Man to be a hero. They should know who he is, since the movie shows that his antics have gone viral, and the media seem well aware of his existence. But why would they think he could stop the Lizard? No one was witness to Spidey's fight with Lizard except for Gwen. Perhaps his heroism on the bridge? He did leave several cars hanging on a web for rescuers.

Regardless, it's pretty clear that he is seen as someone who can stop the Lizard...why else would the police seemingly completely back off in their own efforts to stop the Lizard and allow Spider-Man to enter Oscorp?

[Skiesofwonder]

You really think so? Maybe to the more ardent fans of the films. But if you pulled a casual movie goer off the street, I think they'd recognize John Williams' Superman theme. Or Elfman's Batman theme. But the Spider-Man theme? On a good day they'd probably say "Oh that sounds like that one Tim Burton movie...oh what is it? Willy Wonka?" There's absolutely nothing iconic or memorable about Elfman's Spider-Man theme.

I understand you disliked Raimi's Spiderman films. But this is idiotic hyperbole at its best.

[Frenchie]

There's absolutely nothing iconic or memorable about Elfman's Spider-Man theme.

Not even funny.