[Devolution]

Welcome to GirlGAF OT 2. This thread has been revamped before the original 20,000 post limit has been reached in order to wipe the slate clean and start fresh. Anyone is welcome to post here and there are no off limit topics but please do not bombard GirlGAF with questions or general douchey behavior.

In case you don't understand the title: It's a riff on a Shakespeare quote because Summer's Eve is a douching product.

Now onto topics, links and what have you. So far I have fashion, feminism and food. Brace yourself for a long and link heavy OP.

FASHION

Make Up Alley - Like yelp, but for cosmetics. You can browse for anything from shampoo to foundation. Has saved me quite a few dollars on avoiding crappy products, and has helped me find great, functional stuff. LookBook.nu - User generated fashion blog. Of course, pics submitted are all subject to approval (it's hard to believe that everyone sending in pics would be so attractive), but I enjoy browsing it because its simple, it's actual street fashion, and the people submitting pics tend to get real creative.

Fashion Sites/Shops
ModCloth
YesStyle
Moxsie
Tulle

Second Hand Shops
Buffalo Exchange
Crossroads Trading Co (CA/Portland/Seattle)

Fashion Blogs
Go Fug Yourself
Fashionising
The Budget Fashionista
Viva Fashion

Make-Up Links
Temptalia
Cosmetic Breakdown by Arsenic Yellow
Makeup Alley

Cruelty Free Perfume (with vegan options)

Bra Stuffs

Okay, here's one great site that has you measure yourself and then gives a variety of bras that might fit you well: Bratabase. It's nice since it goes beyond just general bra size as they've taken the exact measurements of each bra as well as breast shape into consideration when recommending you a bra. How To Measure Your Bra Size Correctly Another site giving specifics of bra measurements as well as clothing advice for those people who have wider bust/hip measurements. Also might be interesting to post is the normal breast gallery (NSFW): http://www.007b.com/breast_gallery.php It's a great site since it shows lots of different sizes and shapes of breasts in a non-sexualized way. (NSFW images of D and G-cups) http://fullerfigurefullerbust.files....09/dd-cups.jpg http://bfcidade.files.wordpress.com/...iusty_male.jpg!

FEMINISM

Blogs and Sites

Feministing
Feministe
Pandagon
Manboobz
Skepchick
Stop Street Harassment
Camels with Hammers, Almost Diamonds, Butterflies and Wheels, Blag Hag, Crommunist, Pharyngula, Lousy Canuck, Greta Christina's Blog, Sincerely, Natalie Reed, No Country for Women

Articles

American Manhood and Violence Against Women
Sexism in Nerdy Communities
Why the Sex Positive Movement is Bad for Sex Workers
Compulsive Heterosexuality and Rape Culture
Feminist Hypersensitivity or Male Obtuseness?
Rape in America: Justice Denied (Video)
Gender Equity: What Men Have to Do
Schrödinger’s Rapist: or a guy’s guide to approaching strange women without being maced
The Smurfette Principle
My Street, My Body, My Right
If Childcare and Housekeeping Were Important Men Would Do Them
Liberating the Chicana Feminist
Predator Theory
Gender and Race Roles Broken Down Into Difficulty Levels
The Artifice of Femininity
Why Are Teen Mom's Poor
The Myth About Marriage
Feminism for Men

Books

Gender Trouble: Feminism and the Subversion of Identity by Judith Butler
Marriage, a History: How Love Conquered Marriage by Stephanie Coontz
For Her Own Good: Two Centuries of the Experts' Advice to Women by Barbara Ehrenreich
Sexing the Body: Gender Politics and the Construction of Sexuality by Anne Fausto-Sterling
Yes Means Yes!: Visions of Female Sexual Power and A World Without Rape by Jaclyn Friedman
Sexual Violence and American Manhood by T. Walter Herbert
Ain't I a Woman: Black Women and Feminism by bell hooks
Feminism is for Everybody: Passionate Politics by bell hooks
Feminism: From Margin to Center by bell hooks
Talking Back: Thinking Feminist, Thinking Black by bell hooks
The Gendered Society by Michael S. Kimmel
Dude, You're A Fag: Masculinity and Sexuality in High School by CJ Pascoe
Hey, Shorty!: A Guide to Combating Sexual Harassment and Violence in Schools and on the Streets by Joanne Smith
Sexual Harassment and Bullying: A Guide to Keeping Kids Safe and Holding Schools Accountable by Susan Strauss
Men and Feminism: Seal Studies by Shira Tarrant
The Second Sex by Simone de Beauvoir
Guyland by Michael S. Kimmel
Delusions of Gender by Cordelia Fine The Purity Myth: How America's Obsession with Virginity Is Hurting Young Women by Jessica Valenti
Sex and Punishment by Eric Berkowitz

A documentary worth watching that I recently caught on HBO, Gloria In Her Own Words, has a nice overview of one of the leaders of the feminist movement and her all inclusive look towards the movement in terms of race and sexuality.

FOOD

Shows
Top Chef
Anthony Bourdain: No Reservations
Hell's Kitchen

Recipes

Dessert
Twix Cheesecakes
Nutella Shots
Pinata Cookies
Nutella Mug Cake
Slutty Brownies

Porn (Food)
Food Gawker
IronGAF Cookoff


If you wish to add something interesting to the OP don't hesitate to suggest it! On with the discussion.

[Mumei]

I think a good place to start is by re-posting Inanna's last post in the previous topic (continuity!):

My guy always complains about how when he sweats he smells like hell and I don't smell nearly as bad as him. His shoes and socks smell like no other. My feet don't sweat as much so they don't have a bad smell, maybe slightly musty but that's normal in this weather. His though, ugh, you could use it to knock people out cold! He does eat a lot more junk than I do so that's probably why. And men's deodorant commercials are way better than women's. Eh, men's adverts aren't any better, imo. They're mostly all about being THE MAN or having girls wetting their knickers and/or falling to their knees moaning in ecstasy because of the scent they have on. What else would one call it though? Anyway I plan to make a op with a wide swath of topics to keep it less "female" centric but still informative. What I definitely need though is fashion oriented stuff, so if you gals got some blogs/recommendations for that and makeup please pm me. Oh, that might not end well! I kinda prefer it being somewhat female centric and not having a ton of guys come in here. I doubt I would post as much in the new one considering how these kind of topics end up when guys are given free reign...

And I love the OP. <3

[Emitan]

Hello, ladies~

[cashman]

Why is No Reservations on the list of shows?

[Mully]

......Ladies.

[kisaya]

Hay gurlfrannsss ;3

[Copernicus]

/dons white knight armour

How you doin'?

[Lissar]

Yay all my boob stuffs. TAKE CARE OF YOUR BOOBS LADIES, THEY ARE IMPORTANT.

[Emitan]

/dons white knight armour How you doin'?

Only knight I need

[Professor Beef]

Ahhh, that new thread smell.

[Copernicus]

Only knight I need

My kind of knight.

[Dr.Palutena]

Great Op there!.

[ronito]

So I was actually gonna ask in the old thread today, but new thread.

My wife and I were both raised mormons, where essentially your whole life is about getting married and having kids. So in the society we grew up in and largely still inhabit it is considered very strange to see a woman that doesn't want kids.

You can't ask guys, most just don't care. But how do women of our generation view it? As more women don't want kids is that generally accepted? Or is it looked at a little strange? And what about the opposite women that want a lot of kids. Are they looked at strangely now?

[Emitan]

I'm a lesbian who currently has no aspirations to adopt.

[Mully]

My mom's birthday is in a few weeks. She shattered her knee cap and broke her leg pretty badly a few months back. Since then she's been unable to walk or really go out much due to her condition, even after surgery and physical therapy.

However, she is getting much better and I think it would be cool to get her tickets to a Broadway show or concert to get her out of the house and have some fun with my dad. Problem is, I don't know much about Broadway and as selfish as it sounds, I don't want to involve my sisters. (One of them is a Broadway buff) I'd like to surprise her.

What are some of the funniest/best shows for a 50 year old mom? She really enjoyed Spam-a-Lot, and her favorite movie is A Fish Called Wanda.

[Mumei]

Only knight I need

I started watching this months ago... I'm about 13 or 14 episodes in but took a break for some reason. Thanks for the reminder!

[Devolution]

So I was actually gonna ask in the old thread today, but new thread. My wife and I were both raised mormons, where essentially your whole life is about getting married and having kids. So in the society we grew up in and largely still inhabit it is considered very strange to see a woman that doesn't want kids. You can't ask guys, most just don't care. But how do women of our generation view it? As more women don't want kids is that generally accepted? Or is it looked at a little strange? And what about the opposite women that want a lot of kids. Are they looked at strangely now?

I think it widely depends on where you are and the aspirations of your fellow gal pals. A lot of my friends while school/professional work will come first will probably have kids because their parents want to be grandparents and it's expected of them. Plus I still run into women worried about their biological clock despite not even being in a situation to rear a child. Baby crazy is still a thing, it's just more accepted to put it off.

My mom's birthday is in a few weeks. She shattered her knee cap and broke her leg pretty badly a few months back. Since then she's been unable to walk or really go out much due to her condition, even after surgery and physical therapy. However, she is getting much better and I think it would be cool to get her tickets to a Broadway show or concert to get her out of the house and have some fun with my dad. Problem is, I don't know much about Broadway and as selfish as it sounds, I don't want to involve my sisters. (One of them is a Broadway buff) I'd like to surprise her. What are some of the funniest/best shows for a 50 year old mom? She really enjoyed Spam-a-Lot, and her favorite movie is A Fish Called Wanda.

Not a fan of broadway/musicals but my friends and their mom liked Beach Blanket Babylon.

[Lissar]

I think it partially depends on where you are (in a liberal area there's going to be more people who don't think it's that odd, obviously.) But for the most part it seems people still think it's strange. I live in a pretty liberal area, and I've gotten some strange looks from people when I say I'm not sure if I want them. People tell me I must be a very selfish person, that sort of thing. I actually love kids, but I love teaching them more than taking care of them. I think I'd probably be a good mother, but having my space is so important in my life it's really making me think hard about it. People still don't understand though. It's kind of frustrating. :/

What are some of the funniest/best shows for a 50 year old mom? She really enjoyed Spam-a-Lot, and her favorite movie is A Fish Called Wanda.

My personal favorite is Wicked. Very funny with great music, and a better ending than the book.

[Copernicus]

So I was actually gonna ask in the old thread today, but new thread. My wife and I were both raised mormons, where essentially your whole life is about getting married and having kids. So in the society we grew up in and largely still inhabit it is considered very strange to see a woman that doesn't want kids. You can't ask guys, most just don't care. But how do women of our generation view it? As more women don't want kids is that generally accepted? Or is it looked at a little strange? And what about the opposite women that want a lot of kids. Are they looked at strangely now?

I think proliferation of your family tree is strictly a quirk of personality, I know two women who are pretty identical in terms of personality except for their stance on wanting children.

As a dude, I proactively don't want kids(the world is too fucked too introduce more life into it), but I know my brother is keeping at it like a rabbit in heat.

[Femmeworth]

Love the logo. I shall definitely be checking out those links regarding feminism.

[fireside]

My mom's birthday is in a few weeks. She shattered her knee cap and broke her leg pretty badly a few months back. Since then she's been unable to walk or really go out much due to her condition, even after surgery and physical therapy. However, she is getting much better and I think it would be cool to get her tickets to a Broadway show or concert to get her out of the house and have some fun with my dad. Problem is, I don't know much about Broadway and as selfish as it sounds, I don't want to involve my sisters. (One of them is a Broadway buff) I'd like to surprise her. What are some of the funniest/best shows for a 50 year old mom? She really enjoyed Spam-a-Lot, and her favorite movie is A Fish Called Wanda.

My personal favorite is Wicked. Very funny with great music, and a better ending than the book.

My mom recently saw Wicked and thoroughly enjoyed it.

[Emitan]

I started watching this months ago... I'm about 13 or 14 episodes in but took a break for some reason. Thanks for the reminder!

Actually that's where I am, too. Too many shows to watch!

[ReiGun]

Only knight I need

Revolutionary Girl Utena? I keep hearing good things about it, but I keep putting it off like I'm wont to do.

[Mully]

Great. I'll take a look at Wicked. Thank you so much guys.

[balddemon]

hey what's up

[PhoenixPause]

Just want to say hi to Girl GAF

[Devolution]

Just want to say hi to Girl GAF

That Av dude. God damnit. Chuckle every time.

[ClassyPenguin]

Love the logo. I shall definitely be checking out those links regarding feminism.

This. Some good stuff on those links.

Also, shouldn't the IronGaf thread be included in Food Porn?

[Devolution]

This. Some good stuff on those links. Also, shouldn't the IronGaf thread be included in Food Porn?

Put in OP.

[Mumei]

I shall definitely be checking out those links regarding feminism.

This. Some good stuff on those links.

Excellent, excellent.

[Leeness]

Hallo all of my GirlGAF <3 Subscribed~

[shanshan310]

Hallo all of my GirlGAF <3 Subscribed~

Hallo Leeness~

And everyone else ^^

[deadmeadow88]

Maybe I'll try and keep up with this thread? I didn't really get involved in the last one. :/

Do any of you ladies use pinterest? :)

edit: I've just noticed all the girly avatars, maybe I should update...

[The Anti-Monitor]

So I was actually gonna ask in the old thread today, but new thread. My wife and I were both raised mormons, where essentially your whole life is about getting married and having kids. So in the society we grew up in and largely still inhabit it is considered very strange to see a woman that doesn't want kids. You can't ask guys, most just don't care. But how do women of our generation view it? As more women don't want kids is that generally accepted? Or is it looked at a little strange? And what about the opposite women that want a lot of kids. Are they looked at strangely now?

More accepted, but still seen as weird.

[lexi]

So who else freaked out when they saw the original thread locked in their subscribed threads list?

Really nice OP Devo!

[Emitan]

So who else freaked out when they saw the original thread locked in their subscribed threads list? Really nice OP Devo!

I didn't because I'm in IRC with devo :P

[lexi]

I didn't because I'm in IRC with devo :P

I keep forgetting IRC exists, as in, that IRC exists as a technology. Forums are much more elegant.

[The Anti-Monitor]

IRC is fun, plus lets you talk about all sorts of stuff one can't freely talk here.

[CleverGirl]

Do any of you ladies use pinterest? :)

Hey everybody, Viva la GirlGaf OT 2! The links in the OP are great.
Also I am addicted to pinterest.

[Platy]

Hello !

Awesome OT !
Yay purple ! =3

There is something with the book list that is bothering ... maybe missing something... but I don't know what ... probably nothing big

[Acid08]

My mom's birthday is in a few weeks. She shattered her knee cap and broke her leg pretty badly a few months back. Since then she's been unable to walk or really go out much due to her condition, even after surgery and physical therapy. However, she is getting much better and I think it would be cool to get her tickets to a Broadway show or concert to get her out of the house and have some fun with my dad. Problem is, I don't know much about Broadway and as selfish as it sounds, I don't want to involve my sisters. (One of them is a Broadway buff) I'd like to surprise her. What are some of the funniest/best shows for a 50 year old mom? She really enjoying ed Spam-a-Lot, and her favorite movie is A Fish Called Wanda.

Lion King was a pretty cool Broadway show.

I don't have a crown of sonnets to offer Girl-Gaf, I do apologize.

[Devolution]

Lion King was a pretty cool Broadway show. I don't have a crown of sonnets to offer Girl-Gaf, I do apologize.

Just pass around some of those beers.

[SquiddyCracker]

I've asked a couple of female acquaintances the following and am wondering what girlgaf thinks:

Do you reckon there are certain traits to femininity that are integral to the very meaning of the term?
And is femininity itself an integral part of a "woman"?

[Devolution]

I've asked a couple of female acquaintances the following and am wondering what girlgaf thinks: Do you reckon there are certain traits to femininity that are integral to the very meaning of the term? And is femininity itself an integral part of a "woman"?

Good questions and it's hard to answer without creating dividing lines between the genders where there really ought not to be any. But if I'm being honest I'd say "curves."

I don't think femininity itself is integral to being a woman. At least not how most people define it anyway. We'd have to come to an agreement on the definition of feminine first. When I see it thrown around it's often reflective of antiquated views on what being a woman should entail.

[SquiddyCracker]

Good questions and it's hard to answer without creating dividing lines between the genders where there really ought not to be any. But if I'm being honest I'd say "curves." I don't think femininity itself is integral to being a woman. At least not how most people define it anyway. We'd have to come to an agreement on the definition of feminine first. When I see it thrown around it's often reflective of antiquated views on what being a woman should entail.

It is such a nebulous concept that I sometimes wonder what people really mean when they ascribe it to either themselves or someone else.
I must admit that I personally think of antiquated adjectives when I hear it; modesty, daintiness, humbleness, etc.

Would be a lot clearer if people just described themselves with the descriptors they consider to be part of "feminine" or "masculine", throwing a bunch of them in under one fuzzy umbrella term is bound to confuse people :p

[Devolution]

It is such a nebulous concept that I sometimes wonder what people really mean when they ascribe it to either themselves or someone else. I must admit that I personally think of antiquated adjectives when I hear it; modesty, daintiness, humbleness, etc.

And that's where I would ask, so women have to embody these things in order to be considered as such? And I'm sure you wouldn't agree.

Would be a lot clearer if people just described themselves with the descriptors they consider to be part of "feminine" or "masculine", throwing a bunch of them in under one fuzzy umbrella term is bound to confuse people :p

Yes it would. Not to mention masculine and feminine aren't even consistent across cultures.

[SquiddyCracker]

And that's where I would ask, so women have to embody these things in order to be considered as such? And I'm sure you wouldn't agree.

Precisely, yet without a set of immutable traits the word would cease to be meaningful (though one could argue that it's already meaningless).
This reminds me a bit of the "What does it mean to be a man?"-thread sometime ago, if there are no "requirements" of being a "man", then what point is there in calling oneself a man (in a non-biological sense that is)?

What I've noticed is that even if there is no strict definition at hand, one draw upon the historical/present connotations to words such as "feminine"/"masculine"/"man"/"woman"; the positive ones for some situations, such as when describing oneself or someone else, and the negative ones for others, when you're using the terms to put someone down - "Women are unlike men Z, and they are thus not suited for X"

Yes it would. Not to mention masculine and feminine aren't even consistent across cultures.

Pretty much my thoughts on the matter, if there was some universal definition or some intrinsic element to the words then I probably wouldn't have any issues with them.

[Face it Tiger..]

Hi Girl-GAF, I proudly wear a fine example of your gender as my avatar. :3

[Ashes1396]

I don't mean to intrude, but I don't get the title.

[Professor Beef]

In case you don't understand the title: It's a riff on a Shakespeare quote because Summer's Eve is a douching product.

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