[Al-ibn Kermit]

We should always discourage anybody from being a stay at home parent. Sacrificing a decade or more of education/career development isn't fair and will leave that parent in a much worse position if it turns out the marriage doesn't work out.

I can still respect a woman who's only responsibilities are taking care of kids and cooking/cleaning but that type of long term plan has a high failure rate.

[Devolution]

We should always discourage anybody from being a stay at home parent. Sacrificing a decade or more of education/career development isn't fair and will leave that parent in a much worse position if it turns out the marriage doesn't work out. I can still respect a woman who's only responsibilities are taking care of kids and cooking/cleaning but that type of long term plan has a high failure rate.

Meh. As someone who grew up with two working parents and was an only child, that shit's lonely.

[Femmeworth]

So you two don't respect house-husbands either?

You are assuming that there has to be such a power imbalance. Maybe calling it an imbalance isn't quite right.

Meh. As someone who grew up with two working parents and was an only child, that shit's lonely.

It doesn't have to be one parent stays home with the child or nothing.

[Prax]

Some people are just lazy or want to live in the lap of luxury and not do a thing.
I guess good for them if they manage to achieve that?
It takes all sorts to make this world run, after all.

But I'm not going to shed any tears if they get "haters" for those kind of "ambitions", and I'd be less likely to sympathize with their complaints of being objectified or taken for granted like a useless object if their career choice is to be literally objectified as a "trophy". :l

[Lafiel]

It doesn't have to be one parent stays home with the child or nothing.

From my personal experience, don't a number of stay-at-home mothers work part-time or casual?

Meh. As someone who grew up with two working parents and was an only child, that shit's lonely.

I have two working parents too... except they work from home, so I'm always seeing them!

[QueenDee]

Great feedback from all. Its good to know where some stand on this. I just want to clarify to make sure no one misunderstood me, that I wasn't questioning a woman's right to make that lifestyle choice, of course she does, as do men,
but the reason why someone would make that lifestyle choice after so many fought so we would actually have choice to make, and if it is a growing trend.

also, stay at home mothers/fathers are not the same as stay at home wives/husbands. Zoe already made that clear, and it was the reason why I did not mention it in my first post.

Next time I want to start a discussion it'll be more lighthearted :)

[Zoe]

Wife, mother, who gives a shit. As long as their not impressing their values on you who cares.

It doesn't even have to be a woman--anyone who chooses to be lazy and make no contribution with their lives. These people take up spots in competitive programs and money away from their siblings. It has affected me, so yeah, I'm gonna care.

[frequency]

Maybe I am misunderstanding this conversation. If I am then I am sorry - please disregard me.


There are different ways to contribute than just having a career.

I want to be a "house wife". I do not need to devote life to the pursuit of money and "success". I am happy playing a supportive role in a family. I will contribute by making the life of the person I love as easy as I can and providing happiness. I think this is a very admirable goal.

It's not about power or standing or balance or women's rights or being lazy or whatever. I think of it in terms of an MMORPG. Not everyone has to be that person standing in front looking cool. The healer or support classes are just as important and contribute just as much - if not more.

If I have free time outside of support duties, I can volunteer for things or even just relax. What kind of world do we live in where it's considered lazy to just relax and enjoy life?
"You must work!"
Go away.
It's not a coincidence that my people have the longest life expectancy in the world but is also one of the most relaxed places. Even if my home has the highest unemployment rate in the country and the lowest wages in the country, we are the happiest and most "successful". Career focused society sucks.

My work is support and the product is happiness. I find this infinitely more admirable than "I earn money."

The focus on career and the idea that it is the only way to contribute is... silly.

[shanshan310]

Though people are free to do what they like, I really don't like the idea of scrounging of someone you love, making them work long hours for you. It should be an even split - the work, the cleaning, the parenting, all of it. I can understand people taking a couple of years off to look after young children, but once they hit preschool / primary school age there's really no reason to be at home all the time. Its really a tough one though. My mum works four days a week, and comes home and does housework until bed. If your husband won't pitch in, or isn't around to do so because of work or whatever, I imagine being a working couple would suck ass. At the same time though, sitting at home every day cleaning while your partner works feels like it would be a waste of life, and a lot of housewives I've spoken to really regret not doing anything with their lives.

[Ezalc]

Though people are free to do what they like, I really don't like the idea of scrounging of someone you love, making them work long hours for you. It should be an even split - the work, the cleaning, the parenting, all of it. I can understand people taking a couple of years off to look after young children, but once they hit preschool / primary school age there's really no reason to be at home all the time. Its really a tough one though. My mum works four days a week, and comes home and does housework until bed. If your husband won't pitch in, or isn't around to do so because of work or whatever, I imagine being a working couple would suck ass. At the same time though, sitting at home every day cleaning while your partner works feels like it would be a waste of life, and a lot of housewives I've spoken to really regret not doing anything with their lives.

When I was a child my mom didn't work, she stayed home all day taking care of me and my sister. She says that she preferred doing this because when my dad would come home after work everything was already organized and clean and etc, while my mom said that it was good she didn't work since she would probably be so tired after working that doing all the house stuff would be really stressful and tough especially with young children.

When I was 8 and my sister was 14 my mom had to start working a cleaning lady job and it was really physically demanding since she would clean really big homes with multiple floors lugging vacuum cleaners everywhere and etc. She would get home and still somehow do the house work along with my dad but they were always dead tired and now my mom basically always has pain in her arms from when she had to mop and sweep floors all day long for a lot of hours.

Now I'm 20 and my sister is married and in the US while my family is in Brazil. My dad works, I'm working as well, and my mom semi-works with her sister selling clothes. She's usually gone one week of the month to do her job and the rest she stays at home making sure the house is organized, that there is food to eat and ready when me and my dad get home and she says it's the best thing to do. My mom is a neat freak, so she says that doing all this stuff just makes for having a stress-free life.

I could see why women wouldn't like the idea if it was forced on them, but if that's their choice then it's up to them and in a way I could see how it could be a job. Maintaining a house and raising kids is not an easy thing to do especially if you have to go to work and then do all of this when you get home. Of course the SO shouldn't be lazy and skip on contributing from time to time, and it doesn't matter if it's the man or the woman who is the stay at home parent. But honestly if a couple agrees on this particular life style then what else is there to say about it?

[shanshan310]

Well, like I said people are free to live the way they choose to. I personally don't think its fair that men are assumed to be the providers, and women saddled with all the housework, but if people are happy in those roles and it's not hurting anyone I don't really care what they do.

[Brian Griffin]

Maybe I am misunderstanding this conversation. If I am then I am sorry - please disregard me. There are different ways to contribute than just having a career. I want to be a "house wife". I do not need to devote life to the pursuit of money and "success". I am happy playing a supportive role in a family. I will contribute by making the life of the person I love as easy as I can and providing happiness. I think this is a very admirable goal. It's not about power or standing or balance or women's rights or being lazy or whatever. I think of it in terms of an MMORPG. Not everyone has to be that person standing in front looking cool. The healer or support classes are just as important and contribute just as much - if not more. If I have free time outside of support duties, I can volunteer for things or even just relax. What kind of world do we live in where it's considered lazy to just relax and enjoy life? "You must work!" Go away. It's not a coincidence that my people have the longest life expectancy in the world but is also one of the most relaxed places. Even if my home has the highest unemployment rate in the country and the lowest wages in the country, we are the happiest and most "successful". Career focused society sucks. My work is support and the product is happiness. I find this infinitely more admirable than "I earn money." The focus on career and the idea that it is the only way to contribute is... silly.

Haha, when I got to "supportive role" I immediately thought of support classes in League of Legends. My mom stopped working after I was born and did exactly what you describe and my childhood was pretty amazing. After she got us to school she would take care of all the house maintenance, bills, shopping errands, etc. so everything was all done by the time we got out of school and our dad got off work. With no chores left, her and my dad had lots of time together and we could also do lots of things as a family. We obviously could have had better stuff with two incomes but as you say, that wouldn't have made us more "successful".

The one caveat I will mention though is that they have always been extremely committed to each other and that was a major factor in her choice to stay home. Like Al-ibn Kermit said above, being a house-spouse can put you at a big disadvantage if a divorce happens so one of you staying at home needs to be a decision you make together.

My wife also wants to stop working after our daughter is born. Partly because she absolutely hates her job, but also because she always wants to be there with our girl and not deal with daycare.

[Opiate]

Though people are free to do what they like, I really don't like the idea of scrounging of someone you love, making them work long hours for you. It should be an even split - the work, the cleaning, the parenting, all of it. I can understand people taking a couple of years off to look after young children, but once they hit preschool / primary school age there's really no reason to be at home all the time. Its really a tough one though. My mum works four days a week, and comes home and does housework until bed. If your husband won't pitch in, or isn't around to do so because of work or whatever, I imagine being a working couple would suck ass. At the same time though, sitting at home every day cleaning while your partner works feels like it would be a waste of life, and a lot of housewives I've spoken to really regret not doing anything with their lives.

I don't think it "should" be evenly split, although that is certainly one way to do things. It doesn't have to be sexist: do you think it's better for one person in the family to handle bills, and the other person to handle taking out the trash, or do you think it's better that each do exactly half of both of those duties?

As an economist, I can tell you that it is typically better to specialize; one person in the unit specializes in doing one set of activities, while the other person specializes in a separate set of activities, and more gets done in total than would get done if you insisted on splitting each activity right down the middle in some messy, complicated way. Having me do the laundry and you do the trash is more efficient than having both of us do half the laundry and half the trash.

However, this does not mean that women should always specialize in activities like dish washing and cooking while men should specialize in finance and professional advancement -- that is most definitely sexist. Telling people precisely what to specialize in because "that's what girls do" or "that's what guys do" is bad, but the concept of specialization within a household is not a bad one inherently.

Well, like I said people are free to live the way they choose to. I personally don't think its fair that men are assumed to be the providers, and women saddled with all the housework, but if people are happy in those roles and it's not hurting anyone I don't really care what they do.

Yes, agreed.

[Fiction]

There are no fun threads today, only scary ones, so I am going to hide out here.

To add to the conversation, I am a stay at home mom, but not by choice. I would be working if I could afford daycare.

[Al-ibn Kermit]

Maybe I am misunderstanding this conversation. If I am then I am sorry - please disregard me. There are different ways to contribute than just having a career. I want to be a "house wife". I do not need to devote life to the pursuit of money and "success". I am happy playing a supportive role in a family. I will contribute by making the life of the person I love as easy as I can and providing happiness. I think this is a very admirable goal It's not about power or standing or balance or women's rights or being lazy or whatever. I think of it in terms of an MMORPG. Not everyone has to be that person standing in front looking cool. The healer or support classes are just as important and contribute just as much - if not more. If I have free time outside of support duties, I can volunteer for things or even just relax. What kind of world do we live in where it's considered lazy to just relax and enjoy life? "You must work!" Go away. It's not a coincidence that my people have the longest life expectancy in the world but is also one of the most relaxed places. Even if my home has the highest unemployment rate in the country and the lowest wages in the country, we are the happiest and most "successful". Career focused society sucks. My work is support and the product is happiness. I find this infinitely more admirable than "I earn money." The focus on career and the idea that it is the only way to contribute is... silly.

In a totally selfish way, that does make some sense. But I think everybody is expected to try to make their partners happy.

I don't get why you have such a problem with work, it sounds like you don't consider taking care of kids or maintaining the household to be work. If somebody's job is to order a maid/nanny and keep pretty for their husbands, then they won't have a very gratifying existence.

As an economist, I can tell you that it is typically better to specialize; one person in the unit specializes in doing one set of activities, while the other person specializes in a separate set of activities, and more gets done in total than would get done if you insisted on splitting each activity right down the middle in some messy, complicated way. Having me do the laundry and you do the trash is more efficient than having both of us do half the laundry and half the trash.

It's even more economical if you just put them in daycare. Probably better for their social skills too.

[Femmeworth]

From my personal experience, don't a number of stay-at-home mothers work part-time or casual?

Maybe? I don't think we are all on the same page in this discussion. :x

[KernelPanic]

My wife is a stay at home mom and it's definitely hard work, she gets pissed off at anyone that looks down on her and what she does day in day out. She really regrets giving up her career dreams for it at times, as a guy I feel really bad she has to make such a choice.

However it's what we agreed upon when we got married (it was her idea). She will probably never trust a daycare or babysitter(she was abused at one as a child). Not to mention her parents worked a lot and were home late. She'd trade all the X-mas presents she ever got for parents who were actually around, and she doesn't our kids to go through that.

She's even thinking of home schooling, with all the bullying that happens at schools it's hard to trust the school system.

It's a huge sacrifice by the women who choose to make it and they should be admired for all that they do.

[Zoe]

It's even more economical if you just put them in daycare. Probably better for their social skills too.

This depends. Sometimes the only options for good daycare are super expensive and need to be pre-enrolled well in advance--sometimes before birth!

Maybe? I don't think we are all on the same page in this discussion. :x

Not even talking about the same thing (the original subject) in some cases.

[Inanna]

Is it selfish that I don't want to live JUST to make my guy happy? How can anyone like the idea of it? Don't get me wrong, I love my guy and I love making him happy but I don't want it to be the sole purpose of my life. If you want to do it, go for it but I don't agree with it and might not respect you if that's what you think. Even when I was younger I didn't like the girls who only cared about getting a bf.

For me, working isn't just only about my career or money, its also about being independent. Also, you can't really say money isn't important. I don't want to rely on someone else for my financial needs, I want to spend MY money freely and save up when I need to instead of worrying about my husband's money or how much would I be "allowed" to spend...

I had a working mother and I turned out okay, but then again I think my mum was a super woman or something! She was always so full of energy even after coming home from a long shift. When I was born my mum took a maternity leave, when mum went back to work my father too time off to look after us. I think he was glad that mum was sharing the work load with him so he could relax at home with kids and spend some quality time with us. That's what my guy and I are going to do in the future when we have kids. I love him for that because not many guys would want to stay at home looking after the kids even if its for a few months.

EDIT: PS: I'm 100% okay with wanting to become a stay at home mum, but never for a guy! Thought I'd mention before people twist my words and say I am against women that want to stay at home for the sake of kids.

[shanshan310]

No, I understand totally Inanna. I feel the same way.

There are no fun threads today, only scary ones, so I am going to hide out here. To add to the conversation, I am a stay at home mom, but not by choice. I would be working if I could afford daycare.

That's another big problem really. My mum couldn't go back to work for a long time because day care/ preschool costs basically equaled what she would be earning.

I don't think it "should" be evenly split, although that is certainly one way to do things. It doesn't have to be sexist: do you think it's better for one person in the family to handle bills, and the other person to handle taking out the trash, or do you think it's better that each do exactly half of both of those duties? As an economist, I can tell you that it is typically better to specialize; one person in the unit specializes in doing one set of activities, while the other person specializes in a separate set of activities, and more gets done in total than would get done if you insisted on splitting each activity right down the middle in some messy, complicated way. Having me do the laundry and you do the trash is more efficient than having both of us do half the laundry and half the trash. However, this does not mean that women should always specialize in activities like dish washing and cooking while men should specialize in finance and professional advancement -- that is most definitely sexist. Telling people precisely what to specialize in because "that's what girls do" or "that's what guys do" is bad, but the concept of specialization within a household is not a bad one inherently.

I see what you mean, and it probably helps to specialise when it comes to things like bills (although if the person in charge isn't good with money the other person probably won't find out until its too late), but its also good to get some variety (eg. i cook, you wash up, then tomorrow we swap). Some chores are really monotonous. I guess though it probably helps to have a set of chores to each do, to avoid arguments and such.

[BladeWorker]

Is it selfish that I don't want to live JUST to make my guy happy? How can anyone like the idea of it? Don't get me wrong, I love my guy and I love making him happy but I don't want it to be the sole purpose of my life. If you want to do it, go for it but I don't agree with it and might not respect you if that's what you think. Even when I was younger I didn't like the girls who only cared about getting a bf.

All my life I was raised to believe that living for someone else's happiness was a fool's errand.

So no, I'm pretty sure it's not selfish, in and of itself, to want to have your own life and stand on your own two feet.

[shanshan310]

All my life I was raised to believe that living for someone else's happiness was a fool's errand. So no, I'm pretty sure it's not selfish, in and of itself, to want to have your own life and stand on your own two feet.

I'm sure most men would want their wives to live that way too.

[Opiate]

I'm sure most men would want their wives to live that way too.

I sort of would, I admit. This is an impulse I ruthlessly suppress, but I'd also add that I'm not sure it's sexist, at least in my case. I don't think my desire comes from any traditional-marriage based impulse to have a subservient wife -- in fact, I tend to prefer successful, intellectually accomplished women -- but rather, from a general thought about how nice it would be to have someone whose job was basically to boost my ego. Absent any other concerns and from a completely self centered point of view, who wouldn't? I'd also like all goods and services to be given to me for free and everyone to bow when I walked in to the room.

It has an appeal, in very much the same way I can imagine it being appealing to live a life with little stress and responsibility as a "trophy" wife. But the cost of that appeal is far too great, for me. In both cases.

[QueenDee]

Is it selfish that I don't want to live JUST to make my guy happy? How can anyone like the idea of it?

It's not selfish at all, also what gets me is why anyone would change. If your guy/gal loves and is attracted to you because of who you are now, why change? So you can stop being independent and your new purpose in life is to make sure only he/she is happy and giving them the pressure to support you. You would be a shell of your former self, and I'm sure he/she would feel it to.

do you think it's better for one person in the family to handle bills, and the other person to handle taking out the trash, or do you think it's better that each do exactly half of both of those duties?.......................

I agree with Opiate a lot on this, I think set chores should be given to both and payment of bills, but bills are split according to income. If one partner has a higher yearly wage than another, than that should be taken into account and bills fairly divided. Others might not see it the same but I wouldn't want my guy to be a be broke one week just because I wanted us to have a faster download speed.

[Osietra]

I honestly feel no real annoyances regarding Opiayes cruel and unjust banning of my postings.

[icarus-daedelus]

I like Pixar movies and a lot of Disney, suck it.

The Disney movies I didn't watch when younger I watched them recently because my friends do like them. Sleeping Beauty was cool. Dragons and shit.

Pinocchio is like my favorite animated movie, and I love Sleeping Beauty. No Disney hate here.

Sleeping Beauty is one of the most beautiful animated movies ever, what with its combination of extreme detail - as befits a film with an eight year production cycle and a single solitary man painting every background - and bright, graphic colouring inspired by the artwork of Mary Blair. Also, the stars of the movie are clearly the fairies and m'fing Maleficent; nobody in their right mind gives a shit about Philip or Aurora.

Looksee:

Must be clicked for full-size and a more impressive experience.

[shanshan310]

It makes me incredibly sad that Disney has decided not to make anymore hand drawn animations :( There's something really nice about the artstyle that 3D models just can't capture.

[Femmeworth]

It makes me incredibly sad that Disney has decided not to make anymore hand drawn animations :( There's something really nice about the artstyle that 3D models just can't capture.

I think Tangled did a good job of transitioning their style of animation to 3D. The Princess and the Frog was kind of lackluster, so I'm okay with them not doing more 2D.

Pinocchio is like my favorite animated movie, and I love Sleeping Beauty. No Disney hate here. Sleeping Beauty is one of the most beautiful animated movies ever, what with its combination of extreme detail - as befits a film with an eight year production cycle and a single solitary man painting every background - and bright, graphic colouring inspired by the artwork of Mary Blair. Also, the stars of the movie are clearly the fairies and m'fing Maleficent; nobody in their right mind gives a shit about Philip or Aurora. Looksee: Must be clicked for full-size and a more impressive experience.

Huh. Sleeping Beauty is on my Netflix queue. I'll probably detest it from a writing standpoint.

[The Anti-Monitor]

Pinocchio is like my favorite animated movie, and I love Sleeping Beauty. No Disney hate here. Sleeping Beauty is one of the most beautiful animated movies ever, what with its combination of extreme detail - as befits a film with an eight year production cycle and a single solitary man painting every background - and bright, graphic colouring inspired by the artwork of Mary Blair. Also, the stars of the movie are clearly the fairies and m'fing Maleficent; nobody in their right mind gives a shit about Philip or Aurora. Looksee: Must be clicked for full-size and a more impressive experience.

Of the "princess" movies this one was probably my favorite.

[Lafiel]

It makes me incredibly sad that Disney has decided not to make anymore hand drawn animations :( There's something really nice about the artstyle that 3D models just can't capture.

No-one would ever ATTEMPT to create something like Sleeping Beauty from a technical perspective for good reasons though!

[cloudwalking]

sleeping beauty is great. as a kid i remember being completely mesmerized by it, especially Maleficent. i was her for halloween once, even :3

i definitely need to re-watch it. i heard they really screwed up the colours on the blu-ray release though, anyone have that version?

[ClassyPenguin]

Hmm...I need to get me some Disney blu-rays.


Also, do not step into the unhealthy internet mentalities thread if you value your sanity.

[Nudull]

Am I still allowed in the clubhouse? Given recent events, I could use a bit of bonding. :)

[The Anti-Monitor]

sleeping beauty is great. as a kid i remember being completely mesmerized by it, especially Maleficent. i was her for halloween once, even :3 i definitely need to re-watch it. i heard they really screwed up the colours on the blu-ray release though, anyone have that version?

I gave up on anything post DVD of Disney cuz they redubbed the old movies and I can't get used to the new voices.

Am I still allowed in the clubhouse?

This isn't a clubhouse ever since the ban of hot men.

[Emitan]

Am I still allowed in the clubhouse? Given recent events, I could use a bit of bonding. :)

*hugs tightly*

[cloudwalking]

I gave up on anything post DVD of Disney cuz they redubbed the old movies and I can't get used to the new voices.

what? i did not know this. what a disappointment. i can't fathom why they would do such a thing unless the original recording was so bad that it couldn't be restored.

[Leeness]

It makes me incredibly sad that Disney has decided not to make anymore hand drawn animations :( There's something really nice about the artstyle that 3D models just can't capture.

I think they have a 2D film down the line! It was originally going to be a 2D animated movie of the book Mort, but I think that was scrapped. But I am pretty sure they're not entirely giving up yet.

Edit: Actually, yep! Still doing something! Musker and Clements were going to do Mort, but it was scrapped (rights were too troublesome) and they've moved onto another hand drawn film.

Disney has also talked about doing a Mickey feature film, and I can't imagine they'll do that in 3D. He may be in CGI on Tv, but just wouldn't be right to do a feature Mickey film in CGI...

[H.Protagonist]

Am I still allowed in the clubhouse? Given recent events, I could use a bit of bonding. :)

What happened?

I gave up on anything post DVD of Disney cuz they redubbed the old movies and I can't get used to the new voices. This isn't a clubhouse ever since the ban of hot men.

I'm sure we could manage a proper discussion of men with accompanying pictures. Why not amazing comics/fan art depictions of guys? I imagine what appeals there is going to be very different from what most guys would pick as great renderings of women in art. Well, some anyway. :)

[Nudull]

What happened?

Well, to make a long story short, I came out to my parents, they attempted to force me into surgery, and I managed to get out of it with some help. However, I'm now being turned away from my family's support and care, and it seems I'll be moving out of home for good.

[Devolution]

Well, to make a long story short, I came out to my parents, they attempted to force me into surgery, and I managed to get out of it with some help. However, I'm now being turned away from my family's support and care, and it seems I'll be moving out of home for good.

Force you into surgery? I'm confused.

And I'm also sorry.

[SquiddyCracker]

So feminism.
Anyone ever been called a feminazi?

[Devolution]

So feminism. Anyone ever been called a feminazi?

So many times.

[Inanna]

Well, to make a long story short, I came out to my parents, they attempted to force me into surgery, and I managed to get out of it with some help. However, I'm now being turned away from my family's support and care, and it seems I'll be moving out of home for good.

Surgery? For what? Hope you're okay!

[Emitan]

So feminism. Anyone ever been called a feminazi?

As a joke by a friend. Never seriously

[PhoenixPause]

We should always discourage anybody from being a stay at home parent. Sacrificing a decade or more of education/career development isn't fair and will leave that parent in a much worse position if it turns out the marriage doesn't work out. I can still respect a woman who's only responsibilities are taking care of kids and cooking/cleaning but that type of long term plan has a high failure rate.

If that's what he or she wants to do, who are you to "discourage" their choice? Also most stay at home moms are not "sacrificing" their education - they often graduate before marriage.

[Inanna]

I'm watching Veronica Mars' first season, awesome show, used to be my favourite show back in the day.

[SquiddyCracker]

If that's what he or she wants to do, who are you to "discourage" their choice? Also most stay at home moms are not "sacrificing" their education - they often graduate before marriage.

I think the whole idea behind discouraging people from conforming to traditional gender roles is that it's a necessary evil for the sake of changing the wider gender stereotypes prevalent in society.

We're nowhere close to gender equality, so I can understand the way some people react when friends or strangers are conforming to roles that went hand-in-hand with gender inequality.

[Femmeworth]

So feminism. Anyone ever been called a feminazi?

Not out loud, but I'm sure some have thought it.

[Devolution]

I think the whole idea behind discouraging people from conforming to traditional gender roles is that it's a necessary evil for the sake of changing the wider gender stereotypes prevalent in society. We're nowhere close to gender equality, so I can understand the way some people react when friends or strangers are conforming to roles that went hand-in-hand with gender inequality.

Regardless judging someone for their choices as if they're perpetuating inequality when they're just making a personal choice for themselves is the kind of shit that puts certain women at odds with the feminist movement. It does not help, it hinders.

[Professor Beef]

I'm watching Veronica Mars' first season, awesome show, used to be my favourite show back in the day.

Same here. Shame about the second season's quality though.