[XiaNaphryz]

No surprise, they're all in California. ;)

http://asiasociety.org/blog/asia/bes...all-california

Editor's Note: We first learned of Los Angeles-based attorney and accountant David Chan from this LA Weekly profile. And we thought who better to give us recommendations on Chinese restaurants in the United States than the man who has eaten at more than 6,000 of them? Let us know what you think of Chan's list in a comment. Ranking the 10 best Chinese restaurants in the United States is fairly easy for me. It's something I've often thought about, though I have never put pen to paper. However, I feel as though I must provide an explanation first, since I suspect the result is not what you might expect. As you see, all 10 of the restaurants I listed are in California, most of them are in the Los Angeles area, and most of them serve Hong Kong style food. That might lead one to believe that I am biased towards restaurants in the city that I live that serve a particular cuisine. However, that is absolutely not the case. I've been to all 50 states and eaten at 300 Chinese restaurants in New York City alone. Virtually all observers, particularly Chinese themselves, agree that the best Chinese food comes out of Hong Kong. Furthermore, the great thing about Chinese food is that it continues to evolve and improve. And most of the evolution starts in Hong Kong, where food obsession is the norm. If you look to see where in the United States you see the greatest Hong Kong influence, it's Los Angeles first and San Francisco second. (Not to say there aren't a lot of other different Chinese regional cuisines represented in our restaurants here. Many of them are very good. But few of these other regional restaurants reach the elite level.) On the other hand, New York has relatively little Hong Kong influence, and I like to describe its Chinese food as being mired in the 1990s. Part of the issue is that while New York City does have a continuing influx of Chinese immigrants, their influx is more of the working class ilk, and heavily weighted towards Fujian province, not a culinary mecca. In contrast, more wealthy/professional Chinese settle in the Los Angeles and San Francisco areas, and they demand, and can afford, a higher quality of Chinese food. A comment I heard the other day was even more blunt — the person said New York Chinatown food reminded him of post-World War II San Francisco Chinatown food, which is as big of an insult as it sounds. An interesting episode demonstrating this point is the fact that the food writer who originally interviewed me recently also did a "50 Best Chinese Restaurants in the United States" feature for CNNGo. She was very geographically correct in listing restaurants from all over the country — and was crucified by the commentators, who knew that few of the 50 best Chinese restaurants in the United States were outside of California and derided her selections which included fewer than 10 California restaurants. The other fact which you may wonder about is that most of the restaurants are located in outlying suburbs rather than core city Chinatowns. Once again there is a logical explanation. American Chinatowns like New York, San Francisco and Los Angeles were established in the late 19th and early 20th centuries by immigrant villagers from rural southern China. Then for several decades the U.S. barred most Chinese from immigrating. As a result, Chinatowns and Chinese food in the U.S. stagnated. It was only when Chinese immigration to the U.S. was legalized, starting in the late 1960s, and the new immigrants from places like Hong Kong, Taiwan, Shanghai and elsewhere in China brought their food with them that Chinese food here became worthy of attention. And in large part these immigrants bypassed the old Chinatowns, especially as time went on. Consequently most Chinatown food today is not particularly good.

1. Koi Palace, Daly City, California (San Francisco area) Koi Palace is a Hong Kong style restaurant specializing in dim sum at lunch time and Hong Kong style seafood at dinner. Koi Palace is also an anomaly in that it is the only one of two restaurants on this list that opened before the year 2000. This is significant because Chinese food is continuously evolving and improving, and Chinese restaurants that might be the best at one point in time are likely to be surpassed by new contenders, rather than evolving to new heights themselves. Koi Palace apparently sends their kitchen staff back to Asia periodically to pick up on the newest trends and innovations. 2. Sea Harbour, Rosemead, California (Los Angeles area) The opening of Sea Harbour about 10 years ago was a real milestone as it marked the first venture of a Vancouver, B.C., area Chinese restaurant into the United States. This is noteworthy as Vancouver has had the best Chinese food in North America for over two decades, and a list of the 10 best Chinese restaurants in North America would consist solely of restaurants from the Vancouver and Toronto areas. Sea Harbour brought high quality menu based dim sum (as opposed to dim sum carts) to Los Angeles and the United States, and serves Hong Kong style seafood at dinner. 3. Elite Restaurant, Monterey Park, California (Los Angeles area) Elite Restaurant, which opened five years ago, is in the mold of Sea Harbour, serving dim sum off the menu and Hong Kong style seafood. While dim sum carts are viewed by many as a more interesting experience, dim sum off the menu that is cooked to order provides a fresher and higher quality product. 4. King Hua, Alhambra, California (Los Angeles area) King Hua is an offshoot of Sea Harbour, having been founded by the original dim sum chef at Sea Harbour. Food obviously parallels that of Sea Harbour. 5. Lunasia, Alhambra, California (Los Angeles area) Lunasia is another dim sum off-the-menu Hong Kong style seafood restaurant. Innovative dim sum items include foie gras dim sum, about to become illegal as California bans the sale of foie gras as of July 1, 2012. 6. Din Tai Fung, Arcadia, California (Los Angeles area) This is the only Shanghai style restaurant on the list and is a branch of the renown Din Tai Fung chain based in Taiwan. Specialty is Xiao Long Bao (XLB), improperly called "soup dumplings" by many, particularly in New York City — but they don't fit the technical definition of a Chinese dumpling. XLB may best be described as a cross between a wonton and a real dumpling, except that in addition to the meat filling there is also a reservoir of broth accompanying the meat. Some detractors say the California branch of Din Tai Fung pales next to the Taiwanese branch and others say that the XLB at other Los Angeles area restaurants are better. Yet Chinese communities in the San Francisco Bay area and New York long for their own branch (the only other U.S. branch is in Seattle and there is a fake knockoff with the same name in Toronto), and rumors frequently sweep those areas as to possible branch openings in those areas. The last rumor in the San Francisco Bay area was attributed to a shopping center owner who was trying to entice other business to open up in his center. 7. Yank Sing, San Francisco, California This dim sum specialist has been around for decades, but has evolved from its original Chinatown origins into a mainstay in San Francisco's financial district. Serves the most expensive dim sum in the United States, with a typical bill of $35 per person, compared to $10 to $20 at other dim sum eateries. 8. Seafood Village, Monterey Park, California (Los Angeles area) This Chiu Chow/Hong Kong style restaurant is highly regarded, but due to its relatively small size doesn't get the same attention as the larger capacity restaurants noted above. However, the large crowds that wait to dine here are a testament to the restaurant's ability to make a large number of outstanding dishes. 9. 101 Noodle Express, Alhambra, California (Los Angeles area) One dish has propelled 101 Noodle Express into prominence, the Shandong beef roll. Previously unseen in this country, that dish is now ubiquitous in Los Angeles area Chinese restaurants, and turned 101 Noodle Express into a mini-chain, with even a branch in a regional shopping mall in a part of Los Angeles with a small Chinese population. But 101 Noodle Express is not a one trick pony, and also serves outstanding northern Chinese meat, dumpling and noodle dishes. 10. Jai Yun, San Francisco, California Besides being one of the best Chinese restaurants in the U.S., it is also the quirkiest. It's located a half-block outside of San Francisco Chinatown, close enough to describe it as being in Chinatown. It is highly controversial as it elicits both extremely positive and extremely negative comments. There is no menu at Jai Yun. Rather you tell the chef how much you want to spend (e.g., $35 per person, $50, $100, etc.) and he'll provide you a selection of small plates of his choice, based on the ingredients he has purchased for the day. The chef is from Nanjing, and his cooking reflects a variety of eastern and northern Chinese locales. The high praise tends to come from true food fans, while the negative comments are more likely from the less sophisticated. Either way, there's nothing else like it in the United States.

[Mully]

Edit:

What the fuck man. NY Chinese food is the best Chinese/American food there is.

[Krappadizzle]

Wow, i'd love to see some bloodwork.

edit: Let it be known, I am extremely jealous of him.

[Raistlin]

Where the fuck is New York in all of this?

dude ... it's the first bolded text

As you see, all 10 of the restaurants I listed are in California, most of them are in the Los Angeles area, and most of them serve Hong Kong style food. That might lead one to believe that I am biased towards restaurants in the city that I live that serve a particular cuisine. However, that is absolutely not the case. I've been to all 50 states and eaten at 300 Chinese restaurants in New York City alone.

[Seguin]

Guy sounds like a douche

The high praise tends to come from true food fans, while the negative comments are more likely from the less sophisticated. Either way, there's nothing else like it in the United States.

[A Pretty Panda]

"A comment I heard the other day was even more blunt — the person said New York Chinatown food reminded him of post-World War II San Francisco Chinatown food, which is as big of an insult as it sounds."

FUCK YOU BUDDY

[TheTowel]

Edit: What the fuck man. NY Chinese food is the best Chinese/American food there is.

Read what he said about NYC Chinese food being mired in the 1990s. Then read the part about Honk Kong being the food mecca and having the biggest influence in LA and San Francisco.

Edit: Beaten

[LQX]

Figured NY would win this hands down. Chinese food outside of NY tends to be made by whites so it's not as authentic.


By the way, perfect opportunity to post a picture of some fast food Chinese I bought the other day. So goooood.

[Battersea Power Station]

Edit: What the fuck man. NY Chinese food is the best Chinese/American food there is.

I'm a New Yorker. I wouldn't want to live in LA. But NY Chinese food is shit. There are a couple of good places in Flushing, and probably some in Chinatown. But they don't even show up statistically in the mound of greasy, sloppy dishes that makes up what's considered Chinese food in NY.

I will hand it to our Worst Coast brethren when it comes to Chinese and Mexican.

[MIMIC]

LOL, no way they're ALL in fucking California...and in L.A.

[RukusProvider]

Guy sounds like a douche

Or he's got a good palette? and not just looking for cheapest price and biggest portions.

[DonMigs85]

I wonder if he sees cascading waterfalls and flying dragons after eating delicious food.

[XiaNaphryz]

LOL, no way they're ALL in fucking California...and in L.A.

You're right, 3 of them are up in SF, along with the best one. ;)

[Mister Saturn]

Interesting read, but I could practically see his beret through the text.

[PS3GamerKyle]

guy should actually travel outside of california and then reorganize his list

[Linkhero1]

#1 is my city bitches! Represent.

[EvetS]

Wow! Just to think of all the fortunes he's got! /snicker /asian

[golem]

Ive been to 2, 3, 4, 6, 8 and 9.. haha

I would only say 3, 6 and 8 are worth specifically hunting down.

[CornBurrito]

guy should actually travel outside of california and then reorganize his list

He did.

However, that is absolutely not the case. I've been to all 50 states and eaten at 300 Chinese restaurants in New York City alone.

[wenis]

guy should actually travel outside of california and then reorganize his list

someone doesn't like reading...

[aparisi2274]

I live in NYC and I think his list is fine...

I wonder if he tried Xi'an world famous noodles in the city, or even Wo Hop! Those places serve some delicious chinese food.

[CornBurrito]

someone doesn't like reading...

People like to bitch because their home state didn't win.

"THIS IS BULLSHIT, I'VE NEVER BEEN OUTSIDE OF NEW YORK OR TRIED ANY OF THE PLACES HE LISTED, BUT NEW YORK HAS THE BEST CHINESE EVER!!!"

[Seguin]

Or he's got a good palette? and not just looking for cheapest price and biggest portions.

Right, so if you don't like the same restaurants as him you must be unsophisticated.

[DUFFMCWALIN]

guy should actually travel outside of california and then reorganize his list

Read the article. Sorry guys but some of the best food in the country comes from California.

[Mechazawa]

Consequently most Chinatown food today is not particularly good.

Now, when he says good, is this good in the "i am an elitist douche who has finely honed my culinary tastebuds to slice a feather down the middle with a sword and only the purist forms will satisfy it" kind of way or is that good as in "yeah, this is pretty yummy man" kind of way?

[LaserBuddha]

Figured NY would win this hands down. Chinese food outside of NY tends to be made by whites so it's not as authentic.

That's not true at all. The only Chinese restaurant I've ever been to that had non-Chinese people running the place was Panda Express.

Mind you, little of it is authentic anywhere, even in New York (where these Americanized dishes were birthed).

[Korey]

California the best state in the universe |OT| confirmed once again

Why do other states even try? Go join Europe or something

[RukusProvider]

Right, so if you don't like the same restaurants as him you must be unsophisticated.

Sure, why not. I know people who don't like good French cuisine. I consider them to be lesser than me.

[numble]

New York Chinatowns have Xinjiang street food, though. Which I can't even find in Hong Kong!

He seems to be too particular, especially his focus on Hong Kong, 6 out of his top 10 are Dim Sum!

I know many people in Beijing who rarely or have never eaten Dim Sum, but will rave about some Sichuan, Yunnan or Xinjiang place. Chinese food is more than Cantonese food.

[Boogie9IGN]

holy crap, some of you people just decide to say fuck it with the op and start posting without reading anything dont you

[spindashing]

By the way, perfect opportunity to post a picture of some fast food Chinese I bought the other day. So goooood.

salivATing

[Jenga]

California the best state in the universe |OT| confirmed once again Why do other states even try? Go join Europe or something

well you guys are going bankrupt anyway so you'll be sold off to mexico in a year or so

[A Pretty Panda]

California the best state in the universe |OT| confirmed once again Why do other states even try? Go join Europe or something

California has like earthquakes and stuff. I wouldn't want to live there.

Chinese food is more than Cantonese food.

To americans it is. Hell even Chinese americans. I couldn't name a northern dish.

[FieryBalrog]

California the best state in the universe |OT| confirmed once again Why do other states even try? Go join Europe or something

Says the bankrupt state

[WonkersTHEWatilla]

I've only been to 3 of the 10 listed.

[LaserBuddha]

Fall into the ocean already!

[RukusProvider]

someone doesn't like reading...

Probably too busy with his 2nd job to have enough time to read.

[MIMIC]

Maybe he should list the best ones from each state. I'd be way more interested in that.

[sprsk]

Right, so if you don't like the same restaurants as him you must be unsophisticated.

If you think "Chinese food" in a Styrofoam box is good food you are unsophisticated.

[RukusProvider]

Maybe he should list the best ones from each state. I'd be way more interested in that.

You really give a shit what the best Chinese is in Wyoming and Montana?

[A Pretty Panda]

Maybe he should list the best ones from each state. I'd be way more interested in that.

That's actually pretty interesting. I want to know what the best chinese joint in Kentucky is.

[basic_element]

I agree with this article.

Hong Kong and Macau has the best chinese food in China. Not of a fan of northern Chinese food.

Vancouver has the best chinese food in North America.

LA has the best in US and SF second. New York has some decent places but doesn't compare.

[MIMIC]

You really give a shit what the best Chinese is in Wyoming and Montana?

No, just my state :)

This way, everybody (kinda) wins.

[KHarvey16]

That last paragraph is telling I think. I don't know anything about Chinese society but it comes across very...condescending, maybe? Like he's saying these no-good country folk were making their slop and then the civilized Chinese from the cities were allowed in and they brought acceptable food.

[BlackGoku03]

He should have broke it down by state. I'm not going to LA again until next year.

[jtb]

I've eaten at Din Tai Fung (the seattle one anyways) and it is fucking good.

so I'll trust this guy's opinion, I guess.

[white dynamite]

Food from the #1

[ZoddGutts]

Los Angeles proving to be the best City in the Universe. :)

[golem]

That last paragraph is telling I think. I don't know anything about Chinese society but it comes across very...condescending, maybe? Like he's saying these no-good country folk were making their slop and then the civilized Chinese from the cities were allowed in and they brought acceptable food.

Let me tell you... Chinese food in mainland China is pretty terrible.

And yes I agree the best Chinese meal I've had in North America was in Vancouver.

[numble]

I agree with this article. Hong Kong and Macau has the best chinese food in China. Not of a fan of northern Chinese food. Vancouver has the best chinese food in North America. LA has the best in US and SF second. New York has some decent places but doesn't compare.

But even in Hong Kong people are always going through fads of different types of mainland Chinese food. You suddenly see a bunch of Guilin noodle places pop up, followed by Yunnan noodle places, etc.

I think there's a lot of diversity in Chinese food, and just limiting your palate to a tiny region is boring. Sichuan, Lanzhou, Mongolian, Tibetan, Yunnan, Xinjiang, Shanghai, Shanxi, Shandong, Hangzhou are all very different.