[NinjaBoiX]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...&postcount=111

I think the Holocaust was exaggerated too. It obviously happened, and is unimaginably awful, but 6,000,000? Can you imagine the logistics of that? And doesn't that number change depending on who you talk to?

I'm not trying to be controversial, I'm no anti-semite and definitely don't want to offend, but that is my opinion.

[KO Traveling Hobo]

Oh boy. Here we go.

[JokerOfSpades]

how can a thing be offensive if it doesn't offend me?

Racial slurs are considered offensive. But I'm not offended by them. Like that. Nothing in this thread has offended me, yet quite a few are clearly offensive.

[marrec]

I think the Holocaust was exaggerated too. It obviously happened, and is unimaginably awful, but 6,000,000? Can you imagine the logistics of that? And doesn't that number change depending on who you talk to? I'm not trying to be controversial, I'm no anti-semite and definitely don't want to offend, but that is my opinion.

Uhh...

Oh this is going to be amazing.

[SmokyDave]

What? Since when have straight, white men been known as sexist paedophiles? I mean, yeah, men are often accused of being sexist, not so bothered about that. But "we aren't safe to leave with kids?" Are you fucking kidding me? That's incredibly offensive!

Type 'paedo' into a google image search and see how many pages you need to scroll through before you see a non-white face.

[dIEHARD]

Mormons have it rough.

Tell me bout it man
DY's got my back y'all

[MuseManMike]

Again, not whether or not you are offended, but things that are offensive in general.

Not how it works. The feeling of "offensive" is subjective and personal. Some things can be more universal than others, but they never truly be universal. Besides, the word "offensive" is not always the most appropriate description of certain feelings. I've had feelings of something being "not okay" but I would never classify it under "offense" nor would I ever ask others or judge them for not feeling the same way. I don't think I've ever been "offended" online.

[Kong Fisso]

Even if you aren't offended by the idea of Holocaust denial it's still obviously offensive. The same can be said with many other topics that have been discussed in GAFs past and many that are discussed weekly. There is a thread right now where people are flabbergasted by 'Coon' being an offensive word.

If I find it obviously offensive, how can I not be offended by it?

I don't get it.

[JokerOfSpades]

I think the Holocaust was exaggerated too. It obviously happened, and is unimaginably awful, but 6,000,000? Can you imagine the logistics of that? And doesn't that number change depending on who you talk to? I'm not trying to be controversial, I'm no anti-semite and definitely don't want to offend, but that is my opinion.

Well, what evidence do you have of the opposite?

[Hot Coldman]

I think the Holocaust was exaggerated too. It obviously happened, and is unimaginably awful, but 6,000,000? Can you imagine the logistics of that? And doesn't that number change depending on who you talk to? I'm not trying to be controversial, I'm no anti-semite and definitely don't want to offend, but that is my opinion.

why even say it

[jorma]

I think the Holocaust was exaggerated too. It obviously happened, and is unimaginably awful, but 6,000,000? Can you imagine the logistics of that? And doesn't that number change depending on who you talk to? I'm not trying to be controversial, I'm no anti-semite and definitely don't want to offend, but that is my opinion.

So if it was 4 million rather than 6 million, what exactly does that change? Both numbers are incomprehensibly atrocious. Arguing about what number is correct is just stupid nitpicking that leads nowhere. Nowhere good anyway.

[marrec]

If I find it obviously offensive, how can I not be offended by it? I don't get it.

You don't have to be personally offended by something to recognize it as offensive, that's myopic.

[MuseManMike]

I think the Holocaust was exaggerated too. It obviously happened, and is unimaginably awful, but 6,000,000? Can you imagine the logistics of that? And doesn't that number change depending on who you talk to? I'm not trying to be controversial, I'm no anti-semite and definitely don't want to offend, but that is my opinion.

There are problems with how the Holocaust has been treated after it happened, but honestly, say the number was a million less. So what? It is absolutely not "exaggerated" in that regard; and that is not the most intelligent way to discuss the matter. If you want to read critiques of how the "Holocaust" has been used post-WWII read Finkelstein. I don't know of any historical debate over what happened in Germany. It was absolutely awful no matter how you cut it.

[CHEEZMO™]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...&postcount=111

Wow, thanks. I actually recognise the guy - I think I've seen him post in some of the Syria threads we've been having lately. You can probably imagine what stance he takes in them.

And Ninjaboi; dont go full retard, son.

[Gaborn]

I think the Holocaust was exaggerated too. It obviously happened, and is unimaginably awful, but 6,000,000? Can you imagine the logistics of that? And doesn't that number change depending on who you talk to? I'm not trying to be controversial, I'm no anti-semite and definitely don't want to offend, but that is my opinion.

Do you have any... you know, REASON to believe that the freaking HOLOCAUST was exaggerated besides "well, gosh, that's a lot of people isn't it?"

[NinjaBoiX]

So if it was 4 million rather than 6 million, what exactly does that change? Both numbers are incomprehensibly atrocious. Arguing about what number is correct is just stupid nitpicking that leads nowhere. Nowhere good anyway.

The fact it was exaggerated? I agree, an attempted discussion would go nowhere, and I have zero evidence to back it up, but I just find it hard to believe, that's all.

But the Holocaust absolutely happened, and I'm not trying to diminish its horror in anyway.

[theignoramus]

I think the Holocaust was exaggerated too. It obviously happened, and is unimaginably awful, but 6,000,000? Can you imagine the logistics of that? And doesn't that number change depending on who you talk to? I'm not trying to be controversial, I'm no anti-semite and definitely don't want to offend, but that is my opinion.

scholarly opinions range from 5 to 6 million. there's zero serious debate on the magnitude of the slaughter.

[marrec]

The fact it was exaggerated? I agree, an attempted discussion would go nowhere, and I have zero evidence to back it up, but I just find it hard to believe, that's all. But the Holocaust absolutely happened, and I'm not trying to diminish its horror in anyway.

Who exactly is behind this exaggeration? Just a general media over-estimation or an attempt to demonize the then evil Germans?

[scy]

In retrospect, maybe one should have seen it coming that this topic would go meta and becoming offensive itself :x

[marrec]

In retrospect, maybe one should have seen it coming that this topic would go meta and becoming offensive itself :x

There has to be some kind of mathematical proof for the offensive spiral of GAF threads.

[shortyme]

I think the Holocaust was exaggerated too. It obviously happened, and is unimaginably awful, but 6,000,000? Can you imagine the logistics of that? And doesn't that number change depending on who you talk to?

I'm offended by this.

Also most of the blanket statements Devo makes about women.

[LosDaddie]

EArly in my e-career I would get offended, or upset about bullshit I read/saw on internet forums. Then I grew up.

[ianp622]

The fact it was exaggerated? I agree, an attempted discussion would go nowhere, and I have zero evidence to back it up, but I just find it hard to believe, that's all. But the Holocaust absolutely happened, and I'm not trying to diminish its horror in anyway.

There are a lot of things that are difficult to believe, but I believe them anyway because of evidence supporting them.

Examples: the complexity arising from evolution, the size and life of the universe, the fact that objects are primarily empty space, and yes, the atrocities of the Holocaust.

If you don't have any evidence to back up your doubt, you may want to consider just keeping it to yourself.

[scy]

There has to be some kind of mathematical proof for the offensive spiral of GAF threads.

Hm ... sounds intriguing ...

[Wallach]

In retrospect, maybe one should have seen it coming that this topic would go meta and becoming offensive itself :x

A cynical poster might even think the thread was created for that very purpose.

[MuseManMike]

Hm ... sounds intriguing ...

Operationalize offensive and get back to me.

Nope, but I get a kick outta of people who get so upset.

I'll be offended for you, bro.

[Azzurri]

Nope, but I get a kick outta of people who get so upset.

[vas_a_morir]

Any thread that involved trans people, circa 2008. Exhibit A

Guys, I'm really sorry about my first post. It was really rude and immature, and I feel set the tone for what followed. Since that time, I've had a good friend who is transsexual and I realize how saying something like that would be hurtful.

[BertramCooper]

I'd go with all of those posts comparing pedophilia to homosexuality as a legitimate orientation.

It was mainly Sennorin, if I remember correctly, but I think there were a few others backing him up.

[shadyspace]

Any thread that involved trans people, circa 2008. Exhibit A

Huh?

[Ezalc]

I just... I just don't feel anything.

But anyway, I can't think of a particular thread/post that offended me personally but there are some that I would say is offensive to other people, some of which have been posted in this thread.

[Patryn]

All I can think of is that one thread about needing votes for a contest with his wife or something, and then one guy comes out of nowhere to throw in a post about raping her or something.

It was just the oddest thing.

[notworksafe]

I'm also a straight white male.

What does this mean? What's the point of assuming only white people can have thick skin?

[Dark Octave]

I dunno, the jokes (some posts perhaps not fully jokes) about murdering or beating transpeople and such seem pretty offensive to me. Dehumanizing pronouns like "it" too. Not sure though.

I didn't find anything offensive about the comments that I saw scanning on the first page, but what you just said actually put a queasy feeling in my stomach just now.

[JohnDoe]

The fact it was exaggerated? I agree, an attempted discussion would go nowhere, and I have zero evidence to back it up, but I just find it hard to believe, that's all. But the Holocaust absolutely happened, and I'm not trying to diminish its horror in anyway.

So, you find it hard to believe, even though there is proof supporting those claims and to top it off, you've got no counter-evidence?
What?

The only offensive posts on gaf that I remember are slut-shamers like (Un)FortunateSon and people "supporting" rape-culture. Oh yeah, I think I remember people calling black women ugly/fat or something like that... not only is that racist, it shows you've got no taste in women ;)

[Gustav]

I think the Holocaust was exaggerated too. It obviously happened, and is unimaginably awful, but 6,000,000? Can you imagine the logistics of that? And doesn't that number change depending on who you talk to? I'm not trying to be controversial, I'm no anti-semite and definitely don't want to offend, but that is my opinion.

Get the fuck out. Just get.

[JokerOfSpades]

In retrospect, maybe one should have seen it coming that this topic would go meta and becoming offensive itself :x

...Touché.

[scy]

All I can think of is that one thread about needing votes for a contest with his wife or something, and then one guy comes out of nowhere to throw in a post about raping her or something. It was just the oddest thing.

Y'know, I'm curious about this. What's the most random thread that went offensive? Like, I kind of expect the discussion to go a certain way and get heated for basically a large variety of threads so I'm never really surprised when things go south there. But what about the unexpected "What the fuck happened here?!" threads?

[Dark Octave]

So, you find it hard to believe, even though there is proof supporting those claims and to top it off, you've got no counter-evidence? What? The only offensive posts on gaf that I remember are slut-shamers like (Un)FortunateSon and people "supporting" rape-culture. Oh yeah, I think I remember people calling black women ugly/fat or something like that... not only is that racist, it shows you've got no taste in women ;)

Wow. I missed that one. I know how a lot of people on Gaf feel about dating black women and I think that is ridiculously racist, but I didn't know about this.

[MuseManMike]

What does this mean? What's the point of assuming only white people can have thick skin?

No, not that. He is referring to things that are considered offensive when being discussed given how closely the posters tend to be attached to their ideology (living it). Being gay, ethnic, or a certain economic class. He's just joking about how "easy" straight white males have it in the world or, at least, are perceived to; therefore, there is not much to be "offended" by.

[dave is ok]

This one

[KO Traveling Hobo]

All I can think of is that one thread about needing votes for a contest with his wife or something, and then one guy comes out of nowhere to throw in a post about raping her or something. It was just the oddest thing.

It was the most hilarious thing, you mean. Dude was straight off his rocker.

[Yagharek]

I think the Holocaust was exaggerated too. It obviously happened, and is unimaginably awful, but 6,000,000? Can you imagine the logistics of that? And doesn't that number change depending on who you talk to? I'm not trying to be controversial, I'm no anti-semite and definitely don't want to offend, but that is my opinion.

The reason there is probably different accounts of the number might be due to the fact that records of everything weren't kept or destroyed. I dont know how things really work, but if someone is in charge of genocide I dont think they would be keeping an accurate ledger.

So I would guess that the 6 million figure is based on census figures and anecdotal evidence, and there is no reason to doubt it in terms of order of magnitude. You will never get a 100 percent accurate number, but it was still an abhorrently high number.

Instead you have to go on the evidence of the survivors and witnesses to it, of which there are no end. You would have to be wilfully ignorant to challenge the event or even the scale of it having happened. There is plenty of evidence around to prove that it did happen.

I mean, look at recent disasters like the tsunami in the Indian Ocean. We can't even get accurate numbers of that, although there are estimates of 200,000 to 300,000.

[Claude]

I'm on GAF, I don't get offended.

[Hot Coldman]

All I can think of is that one thread about needing votes for a contest with his wife or something, and then one guy comes out of nowhere to throw in a post about raping her or something. It was just the oddest thing.

Do you mean this?

[Stet]

The fact it was exaggerated? I agree, an attempted discussion would go nowhere, and I have zero evidence to back it up, but I just find it hard to believe, that's all. But the Holocaust absolutely happened, and I'm not trying to diminish its horror in anyway.

Hard to believe why? I don't get it.

[justjohn]

OP is very annoying. thats all.

[vas_a_morir]

What does this mean? What's the point of assuming only white people can have thick skin?

Modern white people generally don't have a sense of racial identity like other groups, so it's hard to get offended by stuff. I think that's what he's talking about. After all, white nationalism and racial identity caused a lot of problems around the world during the 20th century, so it's discouraged.

[cubicle47b]

I get annoyed a *lot* on this forum but I'm not sure I've actually felt offended, at least not in the last few years.

[MuseManMike]

Do you mean this?

Haha, I never noticed this gem from that thread.