[Patryn]

Do you mean this?

Yeah, that's the one.

And, yeah, that's more hilarious. Especially the immediate response: "This thread went weird."

[LegatoB]

Huh?

Oddly enough, 4 years is a long time, and people's perspectives change.

[shadyspace]

Oddly enough, 4 years is a long time, and people's perspectives change.

Perspective is one thing. I was under the impression that Femme was trans herself.

[Interfectum]

I think the Holocaust was exaggerated too. ... I'm no anti-semite and definitely don't want to offend, but that is my opinion.

[NathanMcMahon]

It was the most hilarious thing, you mean. Dude was straight off his rocker.

link?

nvm... should'e realized GAF would come through in a few posts away.

[NinjaBoiX]

There are a lot of things that are difficult to believe, but I believe them anyway because of evidence supporting them. Examples: the complexity arising from evolution, the size and life of the universe, the fact that objects are primarily empty space, and yes, the atrocities of the Holocaust. If you don't have any evidence to back up your doubt, you may want to consider just keeping it to yourself.

I specifically said that I was only questioning the numbers and have no evidence, I just find it hard to believe. I was also careful to explain how I had no intention to offend. Sorry if I did.

I should really read more about it I guess, but it's a pretty hard subject to apply yourself to.

[Eschaton]

I think the Holocaust was exaggerated too. It obviously happened, and is unimaginably awful, but 6,000,000? Can you imagine the logistics of that? And doesn't that number change depending on who you talk to? I'm not trying to be controversial, I'm no anti-semite and definitely don't want to offend, but that is my opinion.

are you fucking kidding me

[Gustav]

I specifically said that I was only questioning the numbers and have no evidence, I just find it hard to believe. I was also careful to explain how I had no intention to offend. Sorry if I did. I should really read more about it I guess, but it's a pretty hard subject to apply yourself to.

Just tell me, when does this number become fucking believable to you? 4 million? 2 million? 500000? When?

[Hylian7]

I think the Holocaust was exaggerated too. It obviously happened, and is unimaginably awful, but 6,000,000? Can you imagine the logistics of that? And doesn't that number change depending on who you talk to? I'm not trying to be controversial, I'm no anti-semite and definitely don't want to offend, but that is my opinion.

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[Vagabundo]

I think the Holocaust was exaggerated too. It obviously happened, and is unimaginably awful, but 6,000,000? Can you imagine the logistics of that? And doesn't that number change depending on who you talk to? I'm not trying to be controversial, I'm no anti-semite and definitely don't want to offend, but that is my opinion.

Is it a failure of imagination? That you just can't imagine the scale of it? It was a factory; very well organised and horrendously brutal.

Read this book:



It is just a personal story of someone who was there, but it can give you an idea of the scale.

Now think of the Russian front of WWII, estimates of 26,600,000 civilian causalities. Think of the Japanese Kwantung Army in China, 700,000 deaths in two weeks. The scale of death in WWII is staggering. Think of the firebombing of Hamburg; 40000 dead in one night.

I can understand a failure of imagination when it comes to such things.

[Eschaton]

i bet he thinks stalin and mao overrated their kill counts or something too

or maybe he only doesn't believe in this particular huge genocide

[NinjaBoiX]

Guys, look, I admit to being pretty ignorant on the subject. I also admit that it was probably a poor choice to mention it, as Green Scar said.

I have no evidence, and am not pushing my opinion on anyone, in fact, most of the posts prior to mine, have convinced me to look into it further.

Once again, I apologise, as I appear to have rubbed people up, which wasn't my intention, however inevitable.

[MuseManMike]

I specifically said that I was only questioning the numbers and have no evidence, I just find it hard to believe. I was also careful to explain how I had no intention to offend. Sorry if I did. I should really read more about it I guess, but it's a pretty hard subject to apply yourself to.

I don't think you need to apologize. To have skepticism is usually a good thing, but there is most definitely a time and place for it. I absolutely can understand how such a logistical undertaking may be a point of concern for you, but there is, of course, remedy. I've said this before, there are plenty of well-established academics who have criticized how the Holocaust is discussed in politics and culture, but those critiques are almost never concerned with numbers or the magnitude of the tragedy (from what I've read). There is a consensus out there and it should be respected -- and you should try to alter your "opinion" to best match the data. And besides, how polished in your moral calculus. Say the number was 1,000,000 and not 6,000,000 -- what now? Say it was 250,000?

Edit: Yeah. I can't speak for others but I didn't take your posts for anything other than misinformation/lack thereof.

[Vagabundo]

Guys, look, I admit to being pretty ignorant on the subject. I also admit that it was probably a poor choice to mention it, as Green Scar said. I have no evidence, and am not pushing my opinion on anyone, in fact, most of the posts prior to mine, have convinced me to look into it further. Once again, I apologise, as I appear to have rubbed people up, which wasn't my intention, however inevitable.

Go to Hardcore History Dan Carlin, it is a podcast, and he will paint you a picture of how and why these things happen and of it's scale.

Just pick any of the WWII ones that seem interesting. I'm listened to the one on the Blitz and about the morality of dropping the Nuclear Bomb right now.

[marrec]

Go to Hardcore History Dan Carlin, it is a podcast, and he will paint you a picture of how and why these things happen and of it's scale. Just pic any of the interested WWII ones. I'm listened to the one on the Blitz and about the morality of dropping the Nuclear Bomb right now.

You have to buy the episodes that would elucidate the holocaust for him.

Then again, they're well worth the price of admission, Dan Carlin is a fantastic speaker.

[Vagabundo]

You have to buy the episodes that would elucidate the holocaust for him. Then again, they're well worth the price of admission, Dan Carlin is a fantastic speaker.

Yeah that is the only thing, however any of the WWII ones might give him an idea of the scale of death in WWII and how that type of industrialisation could be applied to the holocaust.

[NinjaBoiX]

There is a consensus out there and it should be respected -- and you should try to alter your "opinion" to best match the data. And besides, how polished in your moral calculus. Say the number was 1,000,000 and not 6,000,000 -- what now? Say it was 250,000?

Thanks man, I appreciate the understanding. But to answer your question, if it was 250,000 - 1,000,000, I wouldn't have questioned it at all, it's just a horrendous mass slaughter.

But, and bear in mind I'm aware how wrong I obviously was, it's just that number, I can't even comprehend it. How do you move so much earth? How do you stack so many bodies?

It's just such an unimaginably awful vision, that maybe I just wish it was an exaggeration.

[Alligatorjandro]

Every thread

[Az]

Thanks man, I appreciate the understanding. But to answer your question, if it was 250,000 - 1,000,000, I wouldn't have questioned it at all, it's just a horrendous mass slaughter. But, and bear in mind I'm aware how wrong I obviously was, it's just that number, I can't even comprehend it. How do you move so much earth? How do you stack so many bodies? It's just such an unimaginably awful vision, that maybe I just wish it was an exaggeration.

It's all good, you were wrong, admitted it and we move on. Some people just like to get all riled up...

[Pterion]

I don't understand the ''hitler visiting auschwitz?'' thing. What is offensive about it? The alien pic had already been posted, and the guy made a comment about it, but I didn't really feel any malice from the post. Maybe it was edited later on?

[NinjaBoiX]

It's all good, you were wrong, admitted it and we move on. Some people just like to get all riled up...

:)

[jorma]

Every thread

Oh, and by the way, did i mention that i find tipping a bad waitress "just because you are supposed to" extremly offensive?

[Az]

I don't understand the ''hitler visiting auschwitz?'' thing. What is offensive about it? The alien pic had already been posted, and the guy made a comment about it, but I didn't really feel any malice from the post. Maybe it was edited later on?

Guy basically compared Auschwitz prisoners to Aliens. The way they were looking skinny and malnutritioned. In bad taste.

[WARCOCK]

People who selectively post news stories, acting under the veil of being our forum news tickers supposedly just reporting what's out there, but it's clear to everybody the stories posted are actually clearly motivated by the expression of their own personal beliefs.

[NinjaBoiX]

Oh, and by the way, did i mention that i find tipping a bad waitress "just because you are supposed to" extremly offensive?

"Tipping automatically, it's for the birds."
Mr White

[Ultima_5]

edit. nevermind

[jorma]

People who selectively post news stories, acting under the veil of being our forum news tickers supposedly just reporting what's out there, but it's clear to everybody the stories posted are actually clearly motivated by the expression of their own personal beliefs.

yes we all know that gaborn hates the TSA, deal with it :P

[WARCOCK]

yes we all know that gaborn hates the TSA, deal with it :P

I don't care for gaborn, but he does post inconsequential stupid stories that at least bares a SEMBLANCE of objectivity. I'm thinking more ripclawe here.

[jaxword]

People who selectively post news stories, acting under the veil of being our forum news tickers supposedly just reporting what's out there, but it's clear to everybody the stories posted are actually clearly motivated by the expression of their own personal beliefs.

That's not offensive, that's THE ENTIRE INTERNET.

[cutmeamango]

That's not offensive, that's THE ENTIRE INTERNET.

When I open my Internet Explorer, I get offended.

[Ultima_5]

Remember Nintendosbooger? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthre...488&highlight= http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthre...420&highlight= http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthre...406&highlight= LOL Still don't know if he's a jocke character or not.

Even after all these years, I still believe in his heart he was a real person... didn't he come back with an alt at one point only to get banned in a thread? I vaguely remember posting in it, or it might have been a gaf fever dream

edit, found it.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...&postcount=110
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...&postcount=243

weird thread to get banned in.

[WARCOCK]

That's not offensive, that's THE ENTIRE INTERNET.

I'm sensitive to bullshit :(

[Vagabundo]

When I open my Internet Explorer, I get offended.

IE is very offensive.

[bjork]

I doubt I've ever been offended by something on here. Annoyed by stupid shit for sure, but I've thrown out a lot of my own stupid shit too, so I consider that a wash.

[SmokyDave]

When I open my Internet Explorer, I get offended.

Man, fuck you.

No need for that sort of language.

[NinjaBoiX]

edit. nevermind

Not being a piece of shit at all, I'm not saying it didn't happen, and accept the horrendous nature of the event. I mistakenly questioned the numbers, that's all.

I wouldn't dream of speaking ill of the dead, and had zero intention to either offend, or belittle the memory of loved ones.

Edit: Oh, you edited your post. Ah well, time to draw a line I think.

[Dark Octave]

Remember Nintendosbooger? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthre...488&highlight= http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthre...420&highlight= http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthre...406&highlight= LOL Still don't know if he's a jocke character or not.

LOL I loved this guy! Nah, he was dead serious.

[blame space]

the threads on the gaming side where people insult my favorite company.

[Ultima_5]

Not being a piece of shit at all, I'm not saying it didn't happen, and accept the horrendous nature of the event. I mistakenly questioned the numbers, that's all. I wouldn't dream of speaking ill of the dead, and had zero intention to either offend, or belittle the memory of loved ones.

Its okay man. Saw you weren't hostile about things and what not. Hence the altered post. Just a touchy subject

[Fersis]

Me too! (Is this some sort of support group for the 'hard-to-offend'?) My name is Dave and I haven't been offended in years. *sobs*

Its not because your white, its because youre damn lovable and no one wants to offend you.
<3 SmokyDave <3

[NinjaBoiX]

Its okay man. Saw you weren't hostile about things and what not. Hence the altered post. Just a touchy subject

I understand. More tact shall be employed in future!

[krypt0nian]

I think the Holocaust was exaggerated too. It obviously happened, and is unimaginably awful, but 6,000,000? Can you imagine the logistics of that? And doesn't that number change depending on who you talk to? I'm not trying to be controversial, I'm no anti-semite and definitely don't want to offend, but that is my opinion.

urm...

[marrec]

Its not because your white, its because youre damn lovable and no one wants to offend you. <3 SmokyDave <3

I've actively tried to offend Smoky before and subsequently determined it was impossible.

[Kinyou]

I think the Holocaust was exaggerated too. It obviously happened, and is unimaginably awful, but 6,000,000? Can you imagine the logistics of that? And doesn't that number change depending on who you talk to? I'm not trying to be controversial, I'm no anti-semite and definitely don't want to offend, but that is my opinion.

That's why they had IBM computers



http://gizmodo.com/5812025/how-ibm-t...-the-holocaust

[Pterion]

Guy basically compared Auschwitz prisoners to Aliens. The way they were looking skinny and malnutritioned. In bad taste.

Oh... I thought Hitler was shaking hands with the alien or something. My bad...

[Vagabundo]

the threads on the gaming side where people insult my favorite company.

Who do you root for?

I've actively tried to offend Smoky before and subsequently determined it was impossible.

Just call him a furry, he hates that.

[Beysus]

Even after all these years, I still believe in his heart he was a real person... didn't he come back with an alt at one point only to get banned in a thread? I vaguely remember posting in it, or it might have been a gaf fever dream

No, you're right..

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...&postcount=110

NBooger. How obvious. :lol

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...&postcount=243

Another alt

"Mad Afrikan" wow

[Ultima_5]

No, you're right.. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...&postcount=110 NBooger. How obvious. :lol

i laughed as well. I just found that thread as well. he had a second alt that got banned on the next page too

[CHEEZMO™]

Man, fuck you. No need for that sort of language.

I thought you were different, Dave :(

I didn't think you were one of "them".

I.. I thought you were different.

*runs away sobbing*

[kai3345]

I think the Holocaust was exaggerated too. It obviously happened, and is unimaginably awful, but 6,000,000? Can you imagine the logistics of that? And doesn't that number change depending on who you talk to? I'm not trying to be controversial, I'm no anti-semite and definitely don't want to offend, but that is my opinion.

:lolocaust