[PhoncipleBone]

Btw it's worth mentioning that the reason Spiderman 2 is so good is that it stole its excellent story from Superman 2 , particularly the hero's arc. Watching Superman 2 on Netflix right now. Still so good.

I see you are used to worshipping things that fly. Good.

[Lionel Mandrake]

I'm beginning to think you people don't want to talk about Aunt May's nipple.

[Anth0ny]

"FINISH IT!!! FINISH IT!!!!" Oh man that scene was pure cheese.

FROM EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVIL

So good. More laughably cheesy lines include:

YOU MESS WITH ONE OF US YOU MESS WITH ALL OF US!

Woah, HE STOLE THAT GUY'S PIZZA!



The delivery on these lines killed me.

[Flying_Phoenix]

Spider-Man is a pretty good film. Classic.

Spider-Man 2 is boring as shit And take the helpless heroine trope to Peter Parker. Way over-rated.

Spider-Man 3 is ambitious, but messy, and just lazy at times, but is still entertaining. Way over-hated.

[Seth C]

Spider-Man is a pretty good film. Classic. Spider-Man 2 is boring as shit And take the helpless heroine trope to Peter Parker. Way over-rated. Spider-Man 3 is ambitious, but messy, and just lazy at times, but is still entertaining. Way over-hated.

Basically, yeah. Spider-Man 2 is just so completely forgettable. I know I watched it multiple times, but I really can't remember much of it.

[Imbarkus]

I see you are used to worshipping things that fly. Good.

So... good!

[ThoseDeafMutes]

FROM EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVIL So good. More laughably cheesy lines include: YOU MESS WITH ONE OF US YOU MESS WITH ALL OF US! Woah, HE STOLE THAT GUY'S PIZZA! The delivery on these lines killed me.

The best thing to come out of SM2.

[CosmicGroinPull]

I'm beginning to think you people don't want to talk about Aunt May's nipple.

ROFL

Is it for real? Must have escaped the censors for a reason - no one was looking for it/wanted to see it.......


......

......

[Scullibundo]

Just checked. It's a shadow, not a nipple.

Disappointmentonne.

[Schweini]

Just checked. It's a shadow, not a nipple. Disappointmentonne.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqFQiBchoWg

[KevinCow]

Here's what pissed me off about Spidey 2.

Doc Ock is going to find Peter to get to Spidey. So he throws a car into the building he knows Peter's in.

Yeah, it's dramatic and all and makes for a cool scene. But what if Peter hadn't been Spidey? His Spider Sense hadn't tingled and he hadn't been able to just barely dive out of the way? He'd have been dead, that's what. And Doc Ock would've lost his only lead.

It just seems that a genius like Doc Ock might have thought a little further ahead than making a dramatic entrance.

[jaxword]

That was probably a sign that Doc Ock's tentacle-induced violent tendencies were starting to overtake his reason.

[neorej]

That was probably a sign that Doc Ock's tentacle-induced violent tendencies were starting to overtake his reason.

Here's what pissed me off about Spidey 2. Doc Ock is going to find Peter to get to Spidey. So he throws a car into the building he knows Peter's in. Yeah, it's dramatic and all and makes for a cool scene. But what if Peter hadn't been Spidey? His Spider Sense hadn't tingled and he hadn't been able to just barely dive out of the way? He'd have been dead, that's what. And Doc Ock would've lost his only lead. It just seems that a genius like Doc Ock might have thought a little further ahead than making a dramatic entrance.

also, how did he not deduct that Peter had insane reflexes afterwards?

[Solo]

Here's what pissed me off about Spidey 2. Doc Ock is going to find Peter to get to Spidey. So he throws a car into the building he knows Peter's in. Yeah, it's dramatic and all and makes for a cool scene. But what if Peter hadn't been Spidey? His Spider Sense hadn't tingled and he hadn't been able to just barely dive out of the way? He'd have been dead, that's what. And Doc Ock would've lost his only lead. It just seems that a genius like Doc Ock might have thought a little further ahead than making a dramatic entrance.

It's pretty simple:

- if he doesn't kill Peter (which he doesn't, obviously), than Peter can run and tell Spider-Man
- if he does kill Peter, Spider-Man will know about it and come to him anyway

Either way, he gets Spider-Man. Sure, Harry would have been pissed if he'd killed Peter, but I don't think Ock was too concerned for Harry's thoughts.

[KevinCow]

also, how did he not deduct that Peter had insane reflexes afterwards?

MJ, too. Absolutely no acknowledgement that Peter just saved her life by dodging a car that he couldn't possibly have seen coming.

[Scullibundo]

MJ, too. Absolutely no acknowledgement that Peter just saved her life by dodging a car that he couldn't possibly have seen coming.

Umm. When was MJ supposed to react to Peter's reflexes? She's whisked away by Doc Ock and the next time she has the chance to speak to Peter, he already has his mask off.

[Scullibundo]

Also, I hope you assholes are happy. I'm seeing ASM tomorrow and promised myself I wouldn't watch Raimi's film in prep. Now I'm watching Spider-Man 2 in bed tonight.

REAL GOOD.

[Suairyu]

Also, I hope you assholes are happy. I'm seeing ASM tomorrow and promised myself I wouldn't watch Raimi's film in prep. Now I'm watching Spider-Man 2 in bed tonight. REAL GOOD.

2 or 2.1?

[Scullibundo]

2 or 2.1?

2

[JGS]

also, how did he not deduct that Peter had insane reflexes afterwards?

This is the problem with slo-mo. Because we can see what's going on we assume that people can see the same thing. Everything happens too fast for with Ock or MJ to figure it out.

The scene is a plothole IMO because it's there solely to excite the viewer without much sense considering Peter & MJ would both be seriously injured or dead.

That said I love the scene- all of it. Ock is sufficiently menacing and Peter is sufficiently upset.

[Mac the KNife]

The best things I can say about the Raimi Spider-Man films is they are fun. Really fun, in a way that superhero films are often looked down upon for doing, especially in a post-TDK world where even fuckin' THOR, a straight up fantasy character, has to be hit with this dull, strained sense of realism. Raimi's Spider-Man is goofball and earnest, it's villains shout to the sky in horror and argue with themselves in the mirror with big cartoony sinister grins. It's sometimes too much, and Spider-Man 3 didn't so much tip the scale as completely smash it with a giant ACME hammer, but it never forgets that it's making a film about a kid gifted superpowers from a radioactive spider. The films are all bright colors, high energy, playfully obnoxious with simple situations laden with the sorts of melodramatic emotional trials a 12-year-old could easily grasp. Even at their biggest and silliest, I'm never not entertained by them. I'll take that over what looks to be a remake that sucked all the color out of the world, as Peter stares solemnly at the ground in his room.

Hell yes.

[Suairyu]

2

Don't quote my pre-edit. That's so rude!

I think I prefer 2.1

Small additions, but they work.

[Secret_Riddle]

It's pretty simple: - if he doesn't kill Peter (which he doesn't, obviously), than Peter can run and tell Spider-Man - if he does kill Peter, Spider-Man will know about it and come to him anyway Either way, he gets Spider-Man. Sure, Harry would have been pissed if he'd killed Peter, but I don't think Ock was too concerned for Harry's thoughts.

That's....

...actually the best explanation I've ever seen. That one bit bugged me for years.

Also, 2>>>2.1

The addition to the train fight scene (where Ock throws Spidey in front of the train) literally makes it comedic, especially since they reuse the same reprisal theme that they had just used 30 seconds earlier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z00fT...ailpage#t=203s

[Suairyu]

Yeah but you don't get this in vanilla 2

[D.Lo]

Just watched the first film because of this thread. I remembered thinking it was just '/goodokay' (and that 2 was great) but it was really, really good.

Even the effects looks pretty good for something 10 years old, a few ragdoll-man CG shots and too-smooth textures, but great action scenes looked fine. (I was watching the DVD though, HD might show the flaws in the effects more).

And the story was simple, sweet and fun. It was like a Pixar story, fun for all ages. A very rushed origin doesn't feel like it because the characters are nicely done.

Better than all the DisMarvel movies except Avengers IMO.

[jaxword]

Yeah but you don't get this in vanilla 2

2.1 wins.




Also, watching that extended fight scene, man, Doc Ock takes a hell of a lot of punishment for a pudgy middle-aged scientist. You'd think he'd be knocked out after a few kicks to the head.

Must be the tentacles overclocking his adrenaline.

[Lionel Mandrake]

Just checked. It's a shadow, not a nipple. Disappointmentonne.

I believe.

[&Divius]

2>1>>3

2 is one of the better superhero movies.

[Discotheque]

Yeah but you don't get this in vanilla 2

lmao.

[Grimm Fandango]

I feel 1 has aged rather poorly.

[RobbieNick]

2 Was definitely the best. That train scene was incredible.

1 is still okay, but waaayy campier then I remember.

3 is pretty bad, but I think the Peter strutting thing is still funny. He's a dork who's turning evil, but deep down he's still a dork and that's what makes that scene funny.

[Salvor.Hardin]

I feel like I'm the rare moviegoer that wasn't really wowed by the train scene in Spider-Man 2 but loved just about everything else. Raimi nailed Peter's woes. Everything from doing his laundry while learning poetry and the gala where he recites that poetry to MJ and watches her get engaged, to the scenes of him alone in his room with those dilapitated walls and cake girl. It's just a fantastic movie.

And I love that there's a special emphasis on them actually being in Manhattan. The shots of the pedestrians and officers and everything going on in the background when there's a scene outside has a very unique New York atmosphere that I'm glad was put forward.

[The Technomancer]

I feel like I'm the rare moviegoer that wasn't really wowed by the train scene in Spider-Man 2 but loved just about everything else. Raimi nailed Peter's woes. Everything from doing his laundry while learning poetry and the gala where he recites that poetry to MJ and watches her get engaged, to the scenes of him alone in his room with those dilapitated walls and cake girl. It's just a fantastic movie. And I love that there's a special emphasis on them actually being in Manhattan. The shots of the pedestrians and officers and everything going on in the background when there's a scene outside has a very unique New York atmosphere that I'm glad was put forward.

The funny part is that the train scene was shot in Chicago and in one shot you can see the building where my father used to work and even his old window.

[Tookay]

Visually, Raimi is a very gifted director. He has a good eye for crafting scenes in a unique way, beyond the usual static shot conventions, even though this vision is hampered sometimes by the CG at the time.

However, I'm not a huge fan of his Spidey films. The casting for Peter and MJ completely kills it for me.

And I don't really understand the love for the second film. I haven't watched it all the way through since it came out in theaters, but I don't remember it being any less cheesy than the first movie. Wasn't a fan of Peter's dilemma, either; somebody else put it correctly when they said he was more emo in SM2 than he was in SM3.

[MisterHero]

Comic books are part cheese. It's reasonable to have some cheese in it.

Peter was more angsty than compared to the comics or cartoons but it just shows him taking responsibility for Uncle Ben's death seriously.

That personality was also the closer to the early comic books, which Raimi was a fan of.

[Spiffy_1st]

Kirsten Dunst is hot.

[Concept17]

Kirsten Dunst is hot.

Wrong. So very wrong.

Also, all 3 movies sucked. The first half of the first movie was good, it all ended there though.

[Endo Punk]

Toby was a terrible Spiderman.

[Sentry]

Toby was a terrible Spiderman.

But he was the first 'true' spidey/Parker we got, so pretty much everyone naturally loved him.. I think he was ok, with most of the actual Parker issues being due to Raimi more so than Tobey, imo. Still wasn't a great physical fit either. Physically SM1 was his peak, from there he did start adopting a rather 'butch' physique for one reason or another.

[Imbarkus]

Btw it's worth mentioning that the reason Spiderman 2 is so good is that it stole its excellent story from Superman 2 , particularly the hero's arc. Watching Superman 2 on Netflix right now. Still so good.

I see you are used to worshipping things that fly. Good.

What the shit? I didn't finish superman 2 last night so I go to finish it tonight and it's not on Netflix anymore. First time that's happened to me!

[neorej]

Yeah but you don't get this in vanilla 2

so good

[SykoTech]

Loved the first one, except Dunst making for a rather uncompelling MJ.

Second was a bit too mopey, but was still great. Especially the train scene.

Third sucked completely outside of JJ moments.

[ascii42]

They haven't made the third one yet.

I'm curious what exactly is going through people's minds when they say crap like this. Is it: "Wow! I'm really clever and people will think I'm funny!"

[richiek]

2.1 wins. Also, watching that extended fight scene, man, Doc Ock takes a hell of a lot of punishment for a pudgy middle-aged scientist. You'd think he'd be knocked out after a few kicks to the head. Must be the tentacles overclocking his adrenaline.

That's what I didn't like about SM 2. Aside from the mechanical limbs, Doc Ock is a normal human. With his superhuman strength, Spidey should have killed Ock with a single punch or kick.

[katsubento]

I loved the first two, especially #2. It remains my favorite comic book film ever, including Iron Man, TDK, and yes even the Avengers (which is a very very close second). 3...it's okay. Just felt rushed at the end and Venom was an afterthought forced onto Raimi so I get that it was the way it is. I too wish that Raimi continued though.

[strafer]

By the user 'Nissen' on the Blu-ray.com forum.



Look pretty great. He got some pretty nice covers overall.

[JdFoX187]

That's what I didn't like about SM 2. Aside from the mechanical limbs, Doc Ock is a normal human. With his superhuman strength, Spidey should have killed Ock with a single punch or kick.

I never pass up an opportunity to rag on Spider-Man 2 for being extremely overrated and quite boring, but this is a part of comic book mythos in general. He's the same way in the comics and other media. I'm sure you could come up with technobabble explanation that the machines tapped into his brain were causing his body to pump ridiculous amounts of adrenaline or something else that made him be able to withstand so much punishment. But at the end of the day, it all comes down to being boring as fucking shit if Spider-Man was able to punch or kick him once and Doc is down for the count.

[TheDiabolical]

watched the 1st one again. Toby Maguire didn't really have the body frame of Peter Parker, hes like short and stalky.

Andy Garfield has the thin lanky frame.

[TheDiabolical]

Spider-Man 2 for being extremely overrated and quite boring,

agreed. the action sequences were rather bland.

[jaxword]

That's what I didn't like about SM 2. Aside from the mechanical limbs, Doc Ock is a normal human. With his superhuman strength, Spidey should have killed Ock with a single punch or kick.

Yeah, but this is a problem with the superhero genre in general, so it's hardly limited to this movie.