[KO Traveling Hobo]

When you say "what's done to you and me" what kinds of things are you referring to?

Sexy things.

[Dude Abides]

This is a fascinating site for this type of shit. Well written also.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/

[Backwards Marathon]

They fucked up big time.

First thing that came to mind.

[siddhu33]

[CHEEZMO™]

[Ermac]

"Yes, there is a conspiracy, indeed there are a great number of conspiracies, all tripping each other up… the main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic. The truth is, that it is not the Jewish banking conspiracy or the grey aliens or the 12 foot reptiloids from another dimension that are in control. The truth is more frightening, nobody is in control. The world is rudderless."

-Alan Moore

[Adam J.]

Some of that stuff on Vigilant Citizen is fascinating. Really makes me wonder if pop culture really flirts with cultish imagery (Gaga, Jay-Z) for kicks or if it's just a coincidence.

[CountBlackule]

I had no idea what it was supposed to be until a couple months ago, now I can't say what I believe in or not. Can't say that they don't exist, can't say that they do.

This video is very interesting

basically everything I learned about the illuminati was from Assassins creed

[MIMIC]

Do you believe in it?

No

Do you know anyone who does?

Yes.

Also, if they did exist, why should I even care? I've gone this far in life without it affecting me so.....

[Imm0rt4l]

The Illuminati had Stanley Kubrick killed because he was going to expose them through eyes wide shut and AI.

[brumx]

Hey guys

SONY

Standard Oil Of New York!

[Syphon Filter]

No Yes. Also, if they did exist, why should I even care? I've gone this far in life without it affecting me so.....

Well it is affecting you but you don't even know it.[if real]

[CPS2]

Having dinner with my family the other night...
my sister: "why do you have all those weird new dawn conspiracy magazines?"
me:"i just think they're funny, i don't believe in any of it"
sister's boyfriend:"but the illuminati is real"
me: "... yeah of course... but not their reptilian version of it"

[FStop7]

There isn't an illuminati but there are absolutely people who strive to shape public perception to fit pretty much whatever agenda they have. Rupert Murdoch, for example.

Or the way a PR firm (Hill+Knowlton) was used to shape America's perception of Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in 1990. Remember the whole "babies taken out of incubators" thing? That was PR agency manipulation at its finest.

[Air]

I remain unconvinced. If there is such a group, they seem to be very poor at their jobs. Or maybe they're so good, I just didn't notice.

[Buddha Beam]

I tend to believe that we are rather obviously controlled by a relatively small group of rich people, yes. The question of wether or not they have been deliberately operating as a group with some sort of membership for centuries is doubtful though.

[brumx]

im going to join

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB3SK...eature=related

[5amshift]

I'm a pretty big believer in the Illuminati, but don't believe it's massive as people make it out to be. Everything that goes on in the recording industry and with the killings of Michael Jackson and soon to be DMX have me steering pretty close to believing heavily.

If you watch all the weird Eminem stuff, it seems pretty obvious when he states he sold his soul to the devil and tons of other stuff. I always wanted to find out about that stuff.

[Dice]

I tend to believe that we are rather obviously controlled by a relatively small group of rich people, yes. The question of wether or not they have been deliberately operating as a group with some sort of membership for centuries is doubtful though.

I would think it's more like a high-caste religion of sorts, not necessarily taken literally but still with much meaning that they share among themselves. I don't think they were really making decent plans together until the 1900s. It would also most likely be a sharing of ideals and cooperation across industries and government rather than some sort of master control box deal. It's not like everything is consolidated to one powerful group and all international tensions and conflicts are just for show.

[ghostofsparta]

Why would a super group running the world have Jay-Z in it? I mean J fucking Z? They can't even get a decent rapper? smh

[Lord Error]

The Denver Airport is really like an exercise in hilarity - as if someone was trying their hardest to make conspiracy theorists go nuts over what was there.

Of course, when you read article on skeptoid about it, it all makes sense, but there's probably a dozen things that the article had to cover and debunk.

The "New World Airport Commission" mentioned on the capstone did exist, contrary to conspiracy claims that there is no record of any such organization. The commission was a group of Denver business and civic leaders who sponsored and organized some events at the airport's opening, ushering in Denver as a new "world-class" city. You can say this is false, but all you've got to back that up is your own imagination.

I'm honestly more prone to believe that naming this was someone's idea of practical joke rather than "The New World Airport Commission" was supposed to mean that Denver will be a world-class city.

[commedieu]

Its real. There are a few bloodlines that rule the world, and continue to do so every generation. They have weird clubs that they are part of like Bohemian grove. Its silly to think that laws, that are broken by the same people right in front of us, aren't being controlled by those above them.

Its easy to be a sheep, and keep your head down, make fun of others. But thats exactly how its setup to be by them. They don't have to explain UFO's, why no significant number of bankers are in jail for robbing a country, no charges for illegal wars and war based on lies, or why Goldman Sachs runs and rules the world politically. Because the internet know-it-alls will do their denial job for them. The media is all controlled by the same group. Thats why building 7 was reported down 30 minutes before it actually fell. They do make mistakes sometimes. But even then, the know-it-alls will still defend the way they were programmed to.

I'm glad I can see it. But it comes at the cost of knowing that there are more sheep than people whom are awake. So what really can you do with that information? Just know, and plan accordingly. No point for a thread like this. As people have to convince themselves that its not real, to live easier lives.

I remember i used to have a hard time understanding why they do these things. They already own everything, so why do they keep wanting more and more. I now completely understand that its a disease, a substance abuse problem. And that substance is power and wealth. If you understand it as that, you can fully see the way the world is working in a way that technically makes sense to an addict. They do any and all things to get that fix, including destroying natural resources, the lives of others, and the planet. Its a junkie hitting up a needle to get a bigger and better high no matter what he had to do for the money to get it.

Re: Running as a group

I think there are divisions, we can currently watch which division is running things, or having their way, with NATO/UN & The middle east.

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Its real. There are a few bloodlines that rule the world, and continue to do so every generation. They have weird clubs that they are part of like Bohemian grove. Its silly to think that laws, that are broken by the same people right in front of us, aren't being controlled by those above them. Its easy to be a sheep, and keep your head down, make fun of others. But thats exactly how its setup to be by them. They don't have to explain UFO's, why no significant number of bankers are in jail for robbing a country, no charges for illegal wars and war based on lies, or why Goldman Sachs runs and rules the world politically. Because the internet know-it-alls will do their denial job for them. The media is all controlled by the same group. Thats why building 7 was reported down 30 minutes before it actually fell. They do make mistakes sometimes. But even then, the know-it-alls will still defend the way they were programmed to. I'm glad I can see it. But it comes at the cost of knowing that there are more sheep than people whom are awake. So what really can you do with that information? Just know, and plan accordingly. No point for a thread like this. As people have to convince themselves that its not real, to live easier lives. I remember i used to have a hard time understanding why they do these things. They already own everything, so why do they keep wanting more and more. I now completely understand that its a disease, a substance abuse problem. And that substance is power and wealth. If you understand it as that, you can fully see the way the world is working in a way that technically makes sense to an addict. They do any and all things to get that fix, including destroying natural resources, the lives of others, and the planet. Its a junkie hitting up a needle to get a bigger and better high no matter what he had to do for the money to get it. Re: Running as a group I think there are divisions, we can currently watch which division is running things, or having their way, with NATO/UN & The middle east.

Let me just say your tag does not dissapoint.

[KieferCrimson]

Let me just say your tag does not dissapoint.

Or the avatar.

[msdstc]

Its real. There are a few bloodlines that rule the world, and continue to do so every generation. They have weird clubs that they are part of like Bohemian grove. Its silly to think that laws, that are broken by the same people right in front of us, aren't being controlled by those above them. Its easy to be a sheep, and keep your head down, make fun of others. But thats exactly how its setup to be by them. They don't have to explain UFO's, why no significant number of bankers are in jail for robbing a country, no charges for illegal wars and war based on lies, or why Goldman Sachs runs and rules the world politically. Because the internet know-it-alls will do their denial job for them. The media is all controlled by the same group. Thats why building 7 was reported down 30 minutes before it actually fell. They do make mistakes sometimes. But even then, the know-it-alls will still defend the way they were programmed to. I'm glad I can see it. But it comes at the cost of knowing that there are more sheep than people whom are awake. So what really can you do with that information? Just know, and plan accordingly. No point for a thread like this. As people have to convince themselves that its not real, to live easier lives. I remember i used to have a hard time understanding why they do these things. They already own everything, so why do they keep wanting more and more. I now completely understand that its a disease, a substance abuse problem. And that substance is power and wealth. If you understand it as that, you can fully see the way the world is working in a way that technically makes sense to an addict. They do any and all things to get that fix, including destroying natural resources, the lives of others, and the planet. Its a junkie hitting up a needle to get a bigger and better high no matter what he had to do for the money to get it. Re: Running as a group I think there are divisions, we can currently watch which division is running things, or having their way, with NATO/UN & The middle east.

I find it funny that the people who are always so enlightened, are the 22 and 23 year olds in their basements, who expose the government with video clips set to generic rap beats.

What's also funny about it is said right in your paragraph- they make mistakes. They make so many mistakes that they collapsed a whole building unintentionally... they make so many mistakes that their plan to get backing for their "leader" (george bush) backfired on a grand scale. They want us to know right? Beware project blue beam.

To be fair I'm poking fun of you, which is your way of defending yourself "oh well you'll just make fun". I'm completely open to ideas, just not blatant bullshit, where everything is changed based on what's going on at the moment. "Bush was put into office to lead the illuminati!" after 8 years and a ridiculous amount of hate "Bush was put into office to be a scapegoat!" Now Obama is the anti-christ and he's their new leader... hell he wasn't even a US citizen!? What happens if Mitt wins? Are they just trying to cover their tracks, because generation x is on to them? Better throw some curveballs illuminati, the internet is coming!

[Orayn]

There isn't an illuminati but there are absolutely people who strive to shape public perception to fit pretty much whatever agenda they have. Rupert Murdoch, for example. Or the way a PR firm (Hill+Knowlton) was used to shape America's perception of Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in 1990. Remember the whole "babies taken out of incubators" thing? That was PR agency manipulation at its finest.

This. People just attribute an unwarranted amount of coherency and organization to such groups, assuming they must all be in cahoots and working toward a common devious cause. The reality is more like the Alan Moore quote that Ermac posted - Shadowy, power-hungry sects certainly exist, but they're mostly at each others' throats and vying for influence quite separately. It's a messy world out there.

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

I find it funny that the people who are always so enlightened, are the 22 and 23 year olds in their basements, who expose the government with video clips set to generic rap beats. What's also funny about it is said right in your paragraph- they make mistakes. They make so many mistakes that they collapsed a whole building unintentionally... they make so many mistakes that their plan to get backing for their "leader" (george bush) backfired on a grand scale. They want us to know right? Beware project blue beam. To be fair I'm poking fun of you, which is your way of defending yourself "oh well you'll just make fun". I'm completely open to ideas, just not blatant bullshit, where everything is changed based on what's going on at the moment. "Bush was put into office to lead the illuminati!" after 8 years and a ridiculous amount of hate "Bush was put into office to be a scapegoat!" Now Obama is the anti-christ and he's their new leader... hell he wasn't even a US citizen!? What happens if Mitt wins? Are they just trying to cover their tracks, because generation x is on to them? Better throw some curveballs illuminati, the internet is coming!

you have just activated his trap card

[msdstc]

you have just activated his trap card

Pretty hypocritical argument that these people make on the other side of the fence. For a group so enlightened, they're pretty damn oblivious to what they're preaching.

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Pretty hypocritical argument that these people make on the other side of the fence. For a group so enlightened, they're pretty damn oblivious to what they're preaching.

Thats why I really try not to argue with conspiricist either your a sheep and cant wake up to realize something or their just crazy as fuck to believe in it. Its worse than arguing about religion imo.

[En Ex]

The Illuminati is standard fodder for fiction that needs mysterious groups. See: Deus Ex.

[captainnapalm]

This. People just attribute an unwarranted amount of coherency and organization to such groups, assuming they must all be in cahoots and working toward a common devious cause. The reality is more like the Alan Moore quote that Ermac posted - Shadowy, power-hungry sects certainly exist, but they're mostly at each others' throats and vying for influence quite separately. It's a messy world out there.

The interesting thing when you actually investigate these rich families that conspiracy theorists always mention as having so much control, the official line is, yes as little as 100 years ago they were unfathomably wealthy, powerful and influential, but as the 20th century wore on they lost their wealth and influence. No one can say how or when, just that they are now not so rich and no longer a concern. This is recent history, yet it is incredibly murky. The Rothschilds, for example, who more or less shaped the 19th century, were said to have lost their power because they had too many descendants among whom they shared their wealth.

The biggest problem for me is that in the old days it was pretty clear who was was running the show - caesars or emperors or whatever. Nowadays people hide behind faceless corporations within corporations within corporations. We're meant to believe that democracies mean the public is in control via the politicians they elect, but does anyone really think Obama and his cohorts run the free world? Or the UN?

It bothers me that we're being controlled by people who don't even have the decency to make themselves known.

[ThisWreckage]

I think that the media is manipulative and borderline evil. I think that most politicians are more about themselves and destroying the competition rather than fighting for the people. Illuminati? No, but you can depend on humans to be utter shit.

[jaxword]

Illuminati must have planted some micro chip inside of me ever since I ate McDonalds for the first time. I mean its ridiculous how many times I go back and give them my money!

The Illuminati's true plan: turn Americans into fats.

[Ikael]

The Illuminati are a comforting fantasy. I would also gladly believe that all the pain and suffering that ails mankind is the result of a great cadre of brilliant evil masterminds rather than self inflicted human idiocy. Because let's face it, it depress me to think that it was mediocre rich idiotic fratboys preying on the greed of the average men like you or me the ones that created this current economic crysis rather than a stylish, Gendo Ikari - like council of shadowy world planners that have an ultimately higher goal.

But that being said, secret societies do exist, period. And having met some rich as fuck persons, I can tell you that the whole "millenial society that exist in order to gain money and power" reasoning is bogus. When you already have money and power you want either A) to defend the statu quo in order to protect the money and power that you already have, which is a pretty mundane thing to do that can be done without funding a secret society B) to gain something else besides money and power.

That creates 3 types of secret societies: either they are a club of rich boys wanting to feel special (Skulls and Bones, the Bilderberg group and many lesser Masonic societies comes to mind), a club of politicians with lofty, self - agrandizing goals (like some of the most important Masonic societies such as the Rotary club or some Hardvard fraternities) or they are something else much, much more interesting, but not related to money nor power at all. The last type of secret society are not entirely secret ("discrete" would be a more precise term) and certainly their conception of power is much more different than the whole "controlling human history" thing (more spiritually related rather than wordly). In short, there are secret societies, but they are far different from the whole Illuminati stereotype both in goals and scope (noone is controlling human history, really).

[leadbelly]

This. People just attribute an unwarranted amount of coherency and organization to such groups, assuming they must all be in cahoots and working toward a common devious cause. The reality is more like the Alan Moore quote that Ermac posted - Shadowy, power-hungry sects certainly exist, but they're mostly at each others' throats and vying for influence quite separately. It's a messy world out there.

I agree it is probably more like this.

What I will say though is historically, the Illuminati infiltrated already established secret societies like the Freemasons. That makes sense because as a network those types of fraternities can be quite a powerful tool. You had people from all walks of life who were masons: politicians, aristocrats, doctors, judges, police officers, bankers, etc. When you think about it, you don't need an army to have influence, you just need the right people in the right positions. In other words influential people in positions of power.

Of course I'm not saying one huge powerful organisation like the Illuminati exists, only that the network of secret societies are an adequate mechanism to manipulate and have influence on society. I know it is because that type of network has been discovered before in fairly recent times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Due

P2 was sometimes referred to as a "state within a state"[2] or a "shadow government".[3] The lodge had among its members prominent journalists, members of parliament, industrialists, and military leaders—including Silvio Berlusconi, who later became Prime Minister of Italy; the Savoy pretender to the Italian throne Victor Emmanuel; and the heads of all three Italian intelligence services. When searching Licio Gelli's villa, the police found a document called the "Plan for Democratic Rebirth", which called for a consolidation of the media, suppression of trade unions, and the rewriting of the Italian Constitution.[4]

It's interesting actually, I remember reading this Wikipedia page a couple of years back and it had a section that focused on the connections with the CIA. That has now disappeared. Don't know the accuracy of that information in particular, but that is the nature of wikipedia. Things can be edited and removed quite easily.

However, if you go to a page about Licio Gelli, this side of it is written about:

As grand master of Propaganda Due, Gelli allegedly assumed a major role in Gladio's "strategy of tension" in Italy, starting with the 1969 Piazza Fontana bombing. Gladio was a clandestine "stay-behind" operation sponsored by the CIA and NATO to counter communist influence in Western European countries; it has been involved in terrorist false flags operations in Italy.[7][8][9][10] In 1990, a report on RAI Television alleged that the CIA had paid Licio Gelli to foment terrorist activities in Italy.[11] Following this report, which also claimed that the CIA had been involved in the assassination of the Swedish Prime minister Olof Palme, then President Francesco Cossiga requested the opening of investigations while the CIA itself officially denied these allegations.[12] Critics have claimed the RAI report to be a fraud because of the inclusion of testimony from Richard Brenneke, who claimed to be a former CIA agent and made several declarations concerning the October surprise conspiracy. Brenneke's background was also investigated by a U.S. Senate subcommittee, which dismissed Brenneke's claims of CIA employment.[13] On November 23, 1995, the Court of Cassation (Corte di Cassazione) convicted Licio Gelli (grand master of P2), Francesco Pazienza and SISMI officers Pietro Musumeci and Giuseppe Belmonte of diverting investigations in relation to the Bologna Massacre.

People laugh at the idea of the Illuminati. While I take such ideas with a grain of salt, I am more hesitant to completely dismiss such an idea, simply because I am aware of history. P2 Lodge was an Illuminati-esque network. And not the only thing I have read about either.

[jaxword]

The Illuminati are a comforting fantasy. I would also gladly believe that all the pain and suffering that ails mankind is the result of a great cadre of brilliant evil masterminds rather than self inflicted human idiocy.

Similar to Satan...

[Carcetti]

When you say "what's done to you and me" what kinds of things are you referring to?

Political and economic decisions that are not aimed at anyone but which affect our lives on a grander level. The banking crisis, Greece catastrophe, climate change. Or killing people slowly by feeding them ads and terrible fast food. It's just idiot machinery made of people more powerful than most acting in their best interest.

Illuminati would be comforting since it would imply design and planning. The reality is just people trampling on people with mindless abandon.

[commedieu]

I find it funny that the people who are always so enlightened, are the 22 and 23 year olds in their basements, who expose the government with video clips set to generic rap beats. What's also funny about it is said right in your paragraph- they make mistakes. They make so many mistakes that they collapsed a whole building unintentionally... they make so many mistakes that their plan to get backing for their "leader" (george bush) backfired on a grand scale. They want us to know right? Beware project blue beam. To be fair I'm poking fun of you, which is your way of defending yourself "oh well you'll just make fun". I'm completely open to ideas, just not blatant bullshit, where everything is changed based on what's going on at the moment. "Bush was put into office to lead the illuminati!" after 8 years and a ridiculous amount of hate "Bush was put into office to be a scapegoat!" Now Obama is the anti-christ and he's their new leader... hell he wasn't even a US citizen!? What happens if Mitt wins? Are they just trying to cover their tracks, because generation x is on to them? Better throw some curveballs illuminati, the internet is coming!

There are dozens of sources that are non basement dwellers, if you cared to look. And its really simple to figure out. My point isn't an excuse to cut off any actual debate, but yes when your reply is laden in insults, it proves the point. The OP is about the illuminati. Not insulting people that have serious opinions about it. Yet, its important to debunk something so unrealistic, that only crazy people know about. Its your ego that has to make fun of it, or those who believe in it. You don't want to know you're controlled in that way. Remember, you're free.

There is absolutely no bullshit in anything I said, and I went ahead and defined them as the worlds wealthiest bloodlines. Yet, its going to be labeled such. As if its so absolutely far fetched. But again, its easier to sit on a couch and make fun. I can't convince anyone, I too needed to actually look for myself back when I was a republican, and a very hardcore one, only looking to add another digit to my 6 figure salary. At all costs. It only really took a small amount of time and exposure to different cultures, and information, to see the way the world works is genuinely for a select few. As far as Mitt goes, nothing changes. Just like nothing changed when Obama was in office. All of us here are aware that the Presidency means nothing. We are being made fat, ignorant, and poor to become complacent and reliant upon the government for the meaning of our lives which is defined as financial gain along with glitz and glamor. As the biggest, dumbest nation with the gap between the rich and poor getting wider and wider with every president, I know theres no change on the way.

And yes, as far as mistakes go, they are human, and they are capable of making mistakes, especially as junkies addicted to money. Mistakes happen all the time, like when the CIA puts people in office, to only execute them later. Or when we train anti-russian fighters that then turn on us.

They don't need to cover their tracks, as I pointed out earlier. Its done for them by citizens like you, and well, like I was. We cover up for them daily. So what if there were no weapons of mass destruction and millions are killed because of it. They need democracy G.D it! Its not acceptable by my standards, none of it is. It keeps happening because the people that want more, want more. This is the course that they are stuck on, and every president abides by it.

I voted for Bush. And the LOLconspiracy about obama is that he is a reincarnated alien Pharaoh, as is his wife. Get your shit straight.

[Kabouter]

Similar to Satan...

Well, I think for some people, outlandish conspiracy theories that lack any real evidence are a surrogate for the belief in a God. Such is man's desire to believe in something I guess.

[jaxword]

Well, I think for some people, outlandish conspiracy theories that lack any real evidence are a surrogate for the belief in a God. Such is man's desire to believe in something I guess.

Belief is quantifiable.

People know this on some level, look at the terminology: I'm not THAT religious, she's way more religious than me, my family's super-religious, etc.

G.D it!

...seriously, dude?

[msdstc]

There are dozens of sources that are non basement dwellers, if you cared to look. And its really simple to figure out. My point isn't an excuse to cut off any actual debate, but yes when your reply is laden in insults, it proves the point. The OP is about the illuminati. Not insulting people that have serious opinions about it. Yet, its important to debunk something so unrealistic, that only crazy people know about. Its your ego that has to make fun of it, or those who believe in it. You don't want to know you're controlled in that way. Remember, you're free. There is absolutely no bullshit in anything I said, and I went ahead and defined them as the worlds wealthiest bloodlines. Yet, its going to be labeled such. As if its so absolutely far fetched. But again, its easier to sit on a couch and make fun. I can't convince anyone, I too needed to actually look for myself back when I was a republican, and a very hardcore one, only looking to add another digit to my 6 figure salary. At all costs. It only really took a small amount of time and exposure to different cultures, and information, to see the way the world works is genuinely for a select few. As far as Mitt goes, nothing changes. Just like nothing changed when Obama was in office. All of us here are aware that the Presidency means nothing. We are being made fat, ignorant, and poor to become complacent and reliant upon the government for the meaning of our lives which is defined as financial gain along with glitz and glamor. As the biggest, dumbest nation with the gap between the rich and poor getting wider and wider with every president, I know theres no change on the way. And yes, as far as mistakes go, they are human, and they are capable of making mistakes, especially as junkies addicted to money. Mistakes happen all the time, like when the CIA puts people in office, to only execute them later. Or when we train anti-russian fighters that then turn on us. They don't need to cover their tracks, as I pointed out earlier. Its done for them by citizens like you, and well, like I was. We cover up for them daily. So what if there were no weapons of mass destruction and millions are killed because of it. They need democracy G.D it! Its not acceptable by my standards, none of it is. It keeps happening because the people that want more, want more. This is the course that they are stuck on, and every president abides by it. I voted for Bush. And the LOLconspiracy about obama is that he is a reincarnated alien Pharaoh, as is his wife. Get your shit straight.

Well if you followed these conspiracies you'd find all the different reasonings yourself. "A missle hit the pentagon, or no the planes were holograms, or no the planes had pods underneath them." My point is based on whatever is happening somebody will always spin it to say, "well of course it happened that way, the illuminati control it." I gave the example of Bush winning in an election where many thought he should've lost. Point there is if Gore had won they would've said the illuminati wanted him to win. Many say Obama was put into office by the illuminati... but what if Romney wins? I guarantee the conspiracies come flying out that the mormons were connected with the illuminati and a massive war is about to be waged, so on so forth.

Again your statements are so hypocritical. "it's done for citizens like you", hmm which one of us is flinging insults now? Calling people sheep? How is that not the same as hiding behind insults?

[boredofcanada]

That is one awesome .gif

[Syphon Filter]

Why would a super group running the world have Jay-Z in it? I mean J fucking Z? They can't even get a decent rapper? smh

Sold his soul.

[Syphon Filter]

I want to hear more thoughts on this.

[CF_Fighter]

It's bullshit and I hate how everything now carries Illuminati imagery if you go to YouTube. Can't I enjoy my music videos and tv series in peace anymore?

[DarkHeartedKill]

Do I believe they are a secret society? Sure. Do I believe they were responsible for Tupacs death, JFKs assassination, their plan to control the media, control the government, and want a New World Order? No.

[weekend_warrior]

There is no Illuminati. Stop asking questions.

Alvarius
Banned
(07-03-2012, 10:30 PM)
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[Izick]

There is none. It's bullshit. People just want to put their problems on something, and the "Illuminati" is a nice scapegoat because there's no real names tied to. So instead of worrying about what's going on around them, people decide to worry about boogymen in the shadows that don't exist.

The reason most people try and "uncover" the mysteries about these types of conspiracies usually is due to them being insignificant. They feel like if they can figure out or solve some big cover-up, that they can make something out of their boring, meaningless, droll lives. That's usually the motivation; a quest for something grander. That's why you see these 50+ year old men still trying to uncover these things; be it the government being "in" on 911, killing its own citizens, the Bermuda triangle, the Illuminati, or the lizardmen, it's all just people trying to do something that they'll never do: something significant in their lives.

[Reuenthal]

The mods of this site are all Illuminati.

[Fancy Corndog]

Well, I think for some people, outlandish conspiracy theories that lack any real evidence are a surrogate for the belief in a God. Such is man's desire to believe in something I guess.

This is literally the root of the 'Ancient Aliens' crap that's made it all the way to regularly scheduled television.