[SmokyDave]

Until they get in the way of a man's earnings.

I wouldn't know, I'm lucky enough to be engaged to a beautiful, intelligent and successful woman that earns considerably more than me. Feels good, man.

I find your attitude somewhat disappointing.

[Stet]

And apparently the posters in this thread represent every member of GAF too. Dem straws.

Oh, boo hoo. Everyone knows what I was getting at. The misogyny in this thread is palpable.

I wouldn't know, I'm lucky enough to be engaged to a beautiful, intelligent and successful woman that earns considerably more than me. Feels good, man. I find your attitude somewhat disappointing.

My attitude towards what, you? You're the one who said the man in this situation was not being a dick despite the fact that he abandoned a cancer-ridden child over a matter of money. Feels bad, man.

[JGS]

As the son of a deadbeat dad even I do not blame this man. He has a responsibility to his children, but he is not his ex-wife's slave, which is essentially what 50% of his income would make him.

....& to his kids.

I'm not getting the support for the guy. I would have sympathy for him ONLY if he wasn't such a cowardly jerk and fought it the right way and endured it for the year or two obligation remaining on 2 of the kids. A wrong doesn't make his actions towards his kids right. Classic case of loser having a mid life crisis.

Honestly, him going to the Phillipines is a fair trade. If he goes back to Canada, they should tack on another grand just for being evil. This entire statement about why he is leaving is full of wrong.

[Sho_Nuff82]

GAF sure hates women, huh.

I love women and I still think spousal support payments are bullshit. Child support is also grossly unregulated, but it's at least justified.

[corporate cheerleader]

Oh, boo hoo. Everyone knows what I was getting at. The misogyny in this thread is palpable.

I noticed a couple of offenders who were quoted before, care to point out some more?

[Jarmel]

Until they get in the way of a man's earnings.

Yep. Oh boy you captured the feelings in a nutshell. Go ahead and pat yourself on the back for pointing out how sexist we are for believing that a man shouldn't have to live near the fucking poverty line because of a greedy ex-wife. Great job right there.

[Stet]

I noticed a couple of offenders who were quoted before, care to point out some more?

If you've sided with Hans Mills and managed to ignore the fact that he cares so little about the four children he willingly created simply because you think money is more important, you are reacting out of spite to a woman who, frankly, needs all the help she can get. You don't have to say "I hate women" to be a misogynist. You can treat women like shit and still love them.

Yep. Oh boy you captured the feelings in a nutshell. Go ahead and pat yourself on the back for pointing out how sexist we are that a man shouldn't have to live near the fucking poverty line because of a greedy ex-wife. Great job right there.

Do you even know what the poverty line is?

[SmokyDave]

Oh, boo hoo. Everyone knows what I was getting at. The misogyny in this thread is palpable.

But you don't bother quoting a single individual and instead declare that 'GAF hates women'?

That's some hardcore generalising.

My attitude towards what, you? You're the one who said the man in this situation was not being a dick despite the fact that he abandoned a cancer-ridden child over a matter of money. Feels bad, man.

Just your attitude. Full stop. Inflammatory comments and ridiculous generalisations all under the guise of being 'the good guy'. I don't like it.

[Picobrain]

This is stupid. Yeah it's not correct to abound your kids but 4000$ a month is insane.
If i was in his place I would runaway to another country but I would send them like 500$ so she can pay for nanny and than she can get a job. They can not rely on him forever.

[corporate cheerleader]

I asked you to point out the mysoginist posters in this thread and you dance around the subject. You're a bigger coward than a certain guy who's in the Philippines.

[Stet]

But you don't bother quoting a single individual and instead declare that 'GAF hates women'? That's some hardcore generalising. Just your attitude. Full stop. Inflammatory comments and ridiculous generalisations all under the guise of being 'the good guy'. I don't like it.

I never said I was "the good guy," but if it's in a competition with people who defend a grown ass man who abandoned four children including a little boy with cancer then yeah, I'm pretty much the good guy by default.

[Stet]

I asked you to point out the mysoginist posters in this thread and you dance around the subject. You're a bigger coward than a certain guy who's in the Philippines.

durrrrrr

The full article makes it sound like she took him for everything and then went back for more. She got the 1.2 million dollar lakefront mansion. Why not sell it and downsize? There was only a 600k mortgage on the property. I'm not sure I blame him for legging it. Much easier than waiting for any kind of reform in the law.

I don't blame him. Although I do hope he figures out a way to send his kids money.

Okay I fully support the man now.

He does not seem like a deadbeat now. More like someone who has been pushed too far.

As wrong as it was that he did what he did. Only so much money can be spent on the kids. $100000 a year income, $50k to your ex wife a lot of which will go to a her and the new guy she is fucking. He can't make ends meet on that. That's some fucking bullshit.

i recant my previous view. sounds like the wife and lawyer went to town. can't blame the guy. greed is a motherfucker.

Wait so she got the house valued at 1.2 million(with a mortgage on it of 600k+175k buyout) and a lakeside house of 1 million(which she could rent out), the husband also paid child support. She still wanted more? Yeah screw that.

Dont forget that she has 1.2 million mansion with a rental apartment that gives a steady income of 2k. The bitch just wanted more im really thinking what would i do i think i would do the same really 4k a month that is more then my dad earns in 2 months and he has supported me and my brother for our whole life.

[SmokyDave]

I never said I was "the good guy," but if it's in a competition with people who defend a grown ass man who abandoned four children including a little boy with cancer then yeah, I'm pretty much the good guy by default.

Between black and white, there is much grey. You don't seem to recognise this at all.

[Jarmel]

Do you even know what the poverty line is?

http://www.ccsd.ca/factsheets/fs_lico04_bt.htm

It would be 20k for him pretaxes which is where he will be after paying roughly 50k for wife/family shit, then lawyer fees, and back payments. The man is fucking ruined financially.

[ghostmind]

...

[jimi_dini]

....& to his kids. I'm not getting the support for the guy. I would have sympathy for him ONLY if he wasn't such a cowardly jerk and fought it the right way

How should he fight it the right way?

Via court? hahaha You cray

Yes, it's bad for the 2 kids. But his other choice is giving that "i don't wanna work" woman even more monies. This way she has to work or downgrade.

[BigDug13]

Too bad he didn't marry the care giver in PI the first time. Divorce isn't legal there. Your marriage is forever unless you qualify for an annulment.

[Stet]

http://www.ccsd.ca/factsheets/fs_lico04_bt.htm It would be 20k for him pretaxes which is where he will be after paying roughly 50k for wife/family shit, then lawyer fees, and back payments. The man is fucking ruined financially.

Lawyer fees and back payments are a one time fee. You don't pay that every year.

Between black and white, there is much grey. You don't seem to recognise this at all.

Where's the grey in supporting him? I'm seriously wondering how you justify that his kids now do not have a father and they fully know it's over a matter of money. He's a bad father, and supporting him out of spite for a woman is 100% misogyny.

[Jarmel]

Lawyer fees and back payments are a one time fee. You don't pay that every year.

I'm sure he can pay all that off in an entire year. I'm sure.

[Stet]

I'm sure he can pay all that off in an entire year. I'm sure.

You're right, it'll take him the rest of his life and he'll die destitute on the streets while his kids live it up in the cancer ward.

[homerule]

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[Joni]

Where's the grey in supporting him? I'm seriously wondering how you justify that his kids now do not have a father and they fully know it's over a matter of money. He's a bad father, and supporting him out of spite for a woman is 100% misogyny.

He was forced into a situation where had to either abandon his children or live under the poverty line because his ex-wife wanted more money despite getting a $1 million house. He had absolutely no problems with supporting his children, it was his wife that wanted to squeeze every penny out of him.

[BigDug13]

I never said I was "the good guy," but if it's in a competition with people who defend a grown ass man who abandoned four children including a little boy with cancer then yeah, I'm pretty much the good guy by default.

They live in a 1.2 mil house and earn 2k per month on a rental property that HE paid for and no longer lives in. I think he's provided. He was willing to pay the child support on top. The courts did not allow him that option unless he paid his wife as well. He couldn't just pay what he owed in child support because he would be imprisoned for failing to pay the wife who also has FULL custody of the kids. He would have been making $20,000 in a 6 figure job, living in a tiny apartment and driving a used Civic.

Sorry, but that's bullshit. He wanted to provide for the kids, but that wasn't good enough. They threatened him with prison unless he paid his wife as well.

[Stet]

He was forced into a situation where had to either abandon his children or live under the poverty line because his ex-wife wanted more money despite getting a $1 million house.

Jeez, this is such a hard decision I face. Living under the poverty line or possibly never seeing my 4 kids again and maybe even missing the last years of one of my youngest...

They live in a 1.2 mil house and earn 2k per month on a rental property that HE paid for and no longer lives in. I think he's provided. He was willing to pay the child support on top. The courts did not allow him that option unless he paid his wife as well. He couldn't just pay what he owed in child support because he would be imprisoned for failing to pay the wife who also has FULL custody of the kids. He would have been making $20,000 in a 6 figure job, living in a tiny apartment and driving a used Civic. Sorry, but that's bullshit. He wanted to provide for the kids, but that wasn't good enough. They threatened him with prison unless he paid his wife as well.

You know what? If he was seriously unable to pay, a good father would have chosen prison. At least he'd be in a position to see his fucking kids.

[Jarmel]

You're right, it'll take him the rest of his life and he'll die destitute on the streets while his kids live it up in the cancer ward.

The man is going to be working for atleast three to four years at the poverty line with absolutely no savings. He would be paying off atleast a $30k debt with 50k pre-taxes, which the taxes are going to help ruin him. That of course is not mentioning the whole issue of finding a new residence.

[Stet]

The man is going to be working for atleast three to four years at the poverty line with absolutely no savings. He would be paying off atleast a $30k debt with 50k pre-taxes, which the taxes are going to help ruin him. That of course is not mentioning the whole issue of finding a new residence.

Oh nooooo, three to four years at the poverty line. Nobody ever does that and survives!

[SmokyDave]

Where's the grey in supporting him? I'm seriously wondering how you justify that his kids now do not have a father and they fully know it's over a matter of money. He's a bad father, and supporting him out of spite for a woman is 100% misogyny.

Click on the link and read the full story. See the initial settlement? That was fair. What happened afterwards? Unfair. That's why I support him. Fuck all to do with spiting his missus and fuck all to do with misogyny.

Oh nooooo, three to four years at the poverty line. Nobody ever does that and survives!

Then she doesn't need to take the rest of his money, does she? Just be happy with the $1,200,000 property, the 2K a month rental income and the $2.5k monthly child support. Not to mention government support.

[ghostmind]

The one thing I am not seeing here is if the father ever petitioned for custody of one of more of the children. That would have a large bearing on the moral/financial expectation.

I would hope for rational discussion in this thread, but Stet's blind ignorance is making that a lost cause.

[godelsmetric]

He was forced into a situation where had to either abandon his children or live under the poverty line because his ex-wife wanted more money despite getting a $1 million house. He had absolutely no problems with supporting his children, it was his wife that wanted to squeeze every penny out of him.

So then why did his solution fuck over his kids quite so spectacularly?

These are not, in my eyes, the actions of a person who cares much about his kids.

[Jarmel]

Oh nooooo, three to four years at the poverty line. Nobody ever does that and survives!

That's pure fucking minimum. The time it's going to take for him to recover to possibly be in something that remotely resembles a decent position economically is probably a full decade and that would have been best case scenario.

[Stet]

Click on the link and read the full story. See the initial settlement? That was fair. What happened afterwards? Unfair. That's why I support him. Fuck all to do with spiting his missus and fuck all to do with misogyny.

The money doesn't matter! He fled the country out of spite for his ex-wife. He abandoned his kids out of spite for his ex-wife. He did whatever he could to avoid paying her the money, not because it would have killed him, but because he just didn't want to see her with the money. You're supporting him and conveniently ignoring that he's put money and revenge above his children. I'm sorry, but in a battle of morality a greedy responsible mother will always win out over a greedy irresponsible father.

[JGS]

How should he fight it the right way? Via court? hahaha You cray Yes, it's bad for the 2 kids. But his other choice is giving that "i don't wanna work" woman even more monies. This way she has to work or downgrade.

Of course he keeps fighting it in court. If he is poverty stricken, the kids wouldn't get the money anyway.

You honestly think the more rational decision is to move to a country so bad that he has to sleep with a shotgun and only have enough money to send nuts and berries for a biorthday present. Of course, he's talking crap because he knows he will have a decent living there eventually. Again look at his statement:

“The result of the legal instrument which you recently designed and implemented is that there is no possibility of a comfortable life or a (secure) retirement for me in Canada at all,” Mills, 53, wrote in the email dated November 2, 2011. “Therefore I have left the country to seek greener pastures elsewhere, and will never return. Well done Einstein"

What a clodhopper.

The guy clearly doesn't like his kids and he can use whatever other excuse he wants to, but at the end of the day he is a godawful horrible father that wouldn't even pay a lesser amount. Geez, I only wish less than half my salary went to my family.

[Dude Abides]

People seem to be overlooking this part:

According to Donna Mills, her ex-husband took her to court three times and at one point tried to foreclose on the house. With her bills piling up, Donna Mills says she used this as an opportunity to ask a court to grant her spousal support.

This wouldn't have happened if the dipshit hadn't kept dragging the wife into court.

[FStop7]

GAF sure hates women, huh.

I wouldn't go this far, GAF isn't a hivemind or anything. But there were at least a couple of people who referred to the wife as a "bitch" without so much as hearing her side of the story. And there was even one person who referred to one of the kids as a bitch, which is really weird. Which of the kids is the bitch? Is it the one with cancer or the one with Down's Syndrome?

And then there was the comment that it would be less costly to kill the wife.

Bros keepin' it real on NeoGAF.

[Jarmel]

People seem to be overlooking this part: This wouldn't have happened if the dipshit hadn't kept dragging the wife into court.

Of course he wanted to foreclose on a 1.2 mil house.

[JGS]

Of course he wanted to foreclose on a 1.2 mil house.

Point is there are repercussions to doing that.

[Bleepey]

Jeez, this is such a hard decision I face. Living under the poverty line or possibly never seeing my 4 kids again and maybe even missing the last years of one of my youngest... You know what? If he was seriously unable to pay, a good father would have chosen prison. At least he'd be in a position to see his fucking kids.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.

Are you dense, are you retarded? He has to choose between living free and occasionally sending money to his kids, or going prison whilst your wife lives free, your kids are without a father and your wife is under no legal obligation to bring your kids to him whilst in prison. What the fuck?

[params7]

I don't blame him. The system is unrealistic and horribly skewed. Well done infact, sending a letter back to the judges letting them know why.

[godelsmetric]

I don't blame him. The system is unrealistic and horribly skewed.

If you think this, you should be campaigning for women's rights.

[Stet]

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu. Are you dense, are you retarded? He has to choose between living free and occasionally sending money to his kids, or going prison whilst your wife lives free, your kids are without a father and your wife is under no legal obligation to bring your kids to him whilst in prison. What the fuck?

You're overlooking the easy third choice here, Bleepey -- he could pay the money and avoid all of this. But if I was really intent on sticking it to my ex, and I had four kids and one of them had cancer, I'd choose "the chance at seeing my kids" over "never seeing my kids again." That is, of course, unless I just didn't care.

[Jarmel]

Point is there are repercussions to doing that.

The wife couldn't move into a smaller house not on the lakefront?

[Ponn01]

Too bad he didn't marry the care giver in PI the first time. Divorce isn't legal there. Your marriage is forever unless you qualify for an annulment.

Holy shit, I didn't know this. They really should start doing that here in America. Sanctity of marriage and all that crap, I have a feeling it would shut up alot of people and gay marriage would get passed easier.

[Droog]

In this case there are no winners, only losers. Especially the children.

[params7]

He was forced into a situation where had to either abandon his children or live under the poverty line because his ex-wife wanted more money despite getting a $1 million house.

No wonder he ran. Maybe she can now sell the palace and try to adjust. Holy crap lol.

[FStop7]

So here's another question... how did they get by when they were still married? $100k isn't enough to support 4 children, a non-working spouse, and still afford the mortgage payments for a $1.2 million home. Add in the fact that 2 of the kids were special needs and then the cost go a lot higher, even if you take socialized healthcare into account. The numbers don't add up.

[siddhu33]

So here's another question... how did they get by when they were still married? $100k isn't enough to support 4 children, a non-working spouse, and still afford the mortgage payments for a $1.2 million home. Add in the fact that 2 of the kids were special needs and then the cost go a lot higher, even if you take socialized healthcare into account.

He's in sales. I think that 100k was just one year's stats.

[Sirpopopop]

Oh nooooo, three to four years at the poverty line. Nobody ever does that and survives!

He's eventually going to be unable to make his payments. If his car gets wrecked in an accident, he's done. If his apartment catches on fire, he's done.

If any type of unfortunate accident happens to him, he'll miss his payments and get tossed in jail.

3-4 years for a 50 year old dude is a long time to hope that nothing bad will happen that could set you back.

Once, he's in jail, he's not getting out. He'll continue getting tossed back in for missing payments.

People seem to be overlooking this part: This wouldn't have happened if the dipshit hadn't kept dragging the wife into court.

Nothing wrong with what he was trying to do.

[ElectricBlue187]

Until they get in the way of a man's earnings.

Not being a doormat = misogyny
Apparently

[Dark Octave]

$4,000 a month?? Edie Murphy and Chris Rock wasn't lying. "HALF!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyInZF4xsUY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm_DDttubQs

Dick movie I know, but I loled a little when I read that the kid got a box of dried fruit instead of a stack of 360 games that I'm sure he hoped for. Pops is a super troll to his own kids.

[Dude Abides]

Of course he wanted to foreclose on a 1.2 mil house.

He was trying to take it back and got burned for his stupidity. Why are we supposed to feel bad for this loser?

Nothing wrong with what he was trying to do.

Renege on the divorce settlement?